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Title: How much animal protein do you need daily?
Post by: purenaturalstrength on January 05, 2012, 03:29:02 AM
i say animal because a lot of pasta and rice contains protein, but the bodybuilding industry teaches that you shouldn't count those proteins only animal proteins
if it turns out you can count them and need a lot less animal protein than suggested then i can save a LOT of money right
because chicken breast is expensive, can't really expect to eat that several times a day if you want to be a cheapskate like me

tell the truth on the issue getbiggers
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: Cleanest Natural on January 05, 2012, 03:59:27 AM
you are a weak gimmick ... beat it
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: Pet shop boys on January 05, 2012, 05:00:50 AM
If you have over 5 years of heavy training I'll say that 100-150 grams of Animal protein should do it.




Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: PJim on January 05, 2012, 05:27:06 AM
If you have over 5 years of heavy training I'll say that 100-150 grams of Animal protein should do it.






You don't need animal protein at all if you combine the right foods.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 05, 2012, 05:28:38 AM
I once saw a 500lb gorilla with a 35 inch neck and he was a vegetarian.  He claimed he was natural too. What a bs artist.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: DK II on January 05, 2012, 05:34:20 AM
I once saw a 500lb gorilla with a 35 inch neck and he was a vegetarian.  He claimed he was natural too. What a bs artist.

A bear would rip hi to shreds, all salmon and omega-3s.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: Wiggs on January 05, 2012, 05:36:29 AM
A bear would rip hi to shreds, all salmon and omega-3s.

Bear has no ground game. Gorilla would ground and pound him.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: oliveiraugo on January 05, 2012, 05:36:55 AM
dude, the word is: EGG

EGG is the most cheap protein that will ever exist. A do 270 protein a day when in cutting. Mostly from egg whites, and some chicken or fish.

In EGG we thrust.

lol
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: DK II on January 05, 2012, 05:37:40 AM
Bear has no ground game. Gorilla would ground and pound him.

I seriously doubt that, the bear has mighty fangs and claws, Gorilla has nothing on that.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: abijahmaniaco on January 05, 2012, 05:38:23 AM
doesn't matter. you wont grow anyway unless hormonized. and don't waste your money on protein powders.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: berblexer on January 05, 2012, 05:45:42 AM
I seriously doubt that, the bear has mighty fangs and claws, Gorilla has nothing on that.


Guys, a bear has a weak chin and a gorilla has no take down defence, I have to go with a crocodile.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: dj181 on January 05, 2012, 05:54:34 AM
i say animal because a lot of pasta and rice contains protein, but the bodybuilding industry teaches that you shouldn't count those proteins only animal proteins


if it turns out you can count them and need a lot less animal protein than suggested then i can save a LOT of money right


because chicken breast is expensive, can't really expect to eat that several times a day if you want to be a cheapskate like me


tell the truth on the issue getbiggers

Why don't you give Mentzer's Consolidation routine a try?


Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 05, 2012, 06:06:59 AM
A gorilla is agile and is smarter than a bear. A gorilla would let him get the take down putting a bear right into a triangle choke.

I once saw a gorilla point at the sky and the bear looked then he sucker punched him.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: supernick on January 05, 2012, 06:48:15 AM
i say animal because a lot of pasta and rice contains protein, but the bodybuilding industry teaches that you shouldn't count those proteins only animal proteins


if it turns out you can count them and need a lot less animal protein than suggested then i can save a LOT of money right


because chicken breast is expensive, can't really expect to eat that several times a day if you want to be a cheapskate like me


tell the truth on the issue getbiggers
how is chicken breast expensive.. I get my chicken for 1.99 lb and its good meat not frozen.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: abijahmaniaco on January 05, 2012, 06:56:25 AM
how is chicken breast expensive.. I get my chicken for 1.99 lb and its good meat not frozen.

Same here. Frozen = loaded with sodium. :-X
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: supernick on January 05, 2012, 07:23:16 AM
Same here. Frozen = loaded with sodium. :-X
no not frozen.  fresh
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: Dr Dutch on January 05, 2012, 07:50:14 AM
About 1 gram per pound of shut-the-fuck-up....
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: vascsurgeon on January 05, 2012, 08:32:07 AM
You don't need animal protein at all if you combine the right foods.

Very hard to do correctly, eat egg whites, chicken and fish, the usual

By the way gorilla - bear match hmmmmmmmmm got to go bear hug for the W ;D
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: closeline on January 05, 2012, 09:25:07 AM
individual thing

for me, under 300gramms a day i shrink
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: QuakerOats on January 05, 2012, 09:26:46 AM
dude, the word is: EGG

EGG is the most cheap protein that will ever exist. A do 270 protein a day when in cutting. Mostly from egg whites, and some chicken or fish.

In EGG we thrust.

lol
270 grams of protein from egg whites is nearly 100 egg whites a day. ::)
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: vascsurgeon on January 05, 2012, 09:31:05 AM
270 grams of protein from egg whites is nearly 100 egg whites a day. ::)

Actually 77-78, 3.5 grams per extra large white, to many to enjoy obviously, but, with fish and the rest easy to eat 2 dozen daily and achieve your required 270 grams daily.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: ChevChelios on January 05, 2012, 09:32:32 AM
Guys, a bear has a weak chin and a gorilla has no take down defence, I have to go with a crocodile.

Actually i am surprised no on thought about a dinosaur,really no weak points on a T-REX,pure raw strength.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: kh300 on January 05, 2012, 09:33:00 AM
how is chicken breast expensive.. I get my chicken for 1.99 lb and its good meat not frozen.


My grocery store usually has it at 1.99 a lb too. But I usually go to sams club and get the 40lb box for 50$.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: Karpaasi on January 05, 2012, 09:36:35 AM
Actually i am surprised no on thought about a dinosaur,really no weak points on a T-REX,pure raw strength.

Weak bench thou.

(http://cl.jroo.me/z3/C/J/o/d/a.aaa-Arms-being-to-Short.jpg)
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: abijahmaniaco on January 05, 2012, 10:18:26 AM
no not frozen.  fresh

it's the frozen that's loaded with sodium. compare next time you're in the store.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: tbombz on January 05, 2012, 11:37:37 AM
Guys, a bear has a weak chin and a gorilla has no take down defence, I have to go with a crocodile.
;D

A gorilla is agile and is smarter than a bear. A gorilla would let him get the take down putting a bear right into a triangle choke.

I once saw a gorilla point at the sky and the bear looked then he sucker punched him.
  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: Hulkotron on January 05, 2012, 11:41:12 AM
I eat a jug of Caliber Fitness Whey a day and I am an enormous man.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: purenaturalstrength on January 05, 2012, 02:13:39 PM
Why don't you give Mentzer's Consolidation routine a try?




because a swole guy at the gym told me his ex workout partner tried it and he just diminished by the day


then i googled it and the boardings all say mentzer was full of shit and the way he actually trained was very similar to HST not HIT at all
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: king on January 05, 2012, 03:33:46 PM
it's the frozen that's loaded with sodium. compare next time you're in the store.

he's agreeing with you. when he said " no not frozen, fresh" he meant that's what he gets
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: napaulm on January 05, 2012, 03:38:56 PM
ita a fact that bears beat gorillas. romans made them fight and the won-loss record favored bears.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: Dr Dutch on January 06, 2012, 03:20:47 AM
ita a fact that bears beat gorillas. romans made them fight and the won-loss record favored bears.
Those weren't gorilla's, it were Christians...
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: dj181 on January 06, 2012, 04:14:00 AM
because a swole guy at the gym told me his ex workout partner tried it and he just diminished by the day


then i googled it and the boardings all say mentzer was full of shit and the way he actually trained was very similar to HST not HIT at all

What do you mean by "the way he trained"? Do you mean the way Mentzer trained himself during his competitive days back in the 70s? If so, then he didn't train in the HST fashion, but he did train 4 days per week and split the body in half training each muscle twice per week. Anyways, who gives a shit what others say, the only way to know for sure is to try it yourself
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: wes on January 06, 2012, 04:23:43 AM
What do you mean by "the way he trained"? Do you mean the way Mentzer trained himself during his competitive days back in the 70s? If so, then he didn't train in the HST fashion, but he did train 4 days per week and split the body in half training each muscle twice per week. Anyways, who gives a shit what others say, the only way to know for sure is to try it yourself
Dude,this guy is trolling.....don`t waste your time.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: dj181 on January 06, 2012, 04:43:52 AM
Dude,this guy is trolling.....don`t waste your time.

By the way, did you ever see Mentzer train? Or how about Jeff King, did you see him training? I heard that King used to go nuts on legs
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: wes on January 06, 2012, 04:55:04 AM
By the way, did you ever see Mentzer train? Or how about Jeff King, did you see him training? I heard that King used to go nuts on legs
Saw Mentzer in the mall with Dave Mastorakis and Ray Mentzer and onstage at Mt. Park in Holyoke Mass.,but never saw Mike train.

Trained in the same gym as Jeff King for many years,he trained everything hard and with meticulous form and pretty heavy weight as well.

No matter what info or advice you offer purenaturalstrength,he ignores it and sticks to his old regimen,but keeps trolling/asking for more advice weekly........TROLL!!
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 06, 2012, 08:07:11 AM
What do you mean by "the way he trained"? Do you mean the way Mentzer trained himself during his competitive days back in the 70s? If so, then he didn't train in the HST fashion, but he did train 4 days per week and split the body in half training each muscle twice per week. Anyways, who gives a shit what others say, the only way to know for sure is to try it yourself

He actually split the body in half training body parts either twice or once a week.  This was how he trained for the 1980 Olympia.  Monday would be legs, chest and tricep. Wednesday would be back, delt and bicep. Friday would be Monday's routine.  Next week Monday would be back, delt, and bicep. Wednesday would go back to leg, chest, and tricep. Friday back to back, delt and bicep.  Mr. Florida Frank Calta trained in a similar way and he called it rotation for recuperation.

He did win the IFBB Mr. America using a whole body routine.  He then went to a 4 day split training half the body at a time. His last competitive routine was the three day a week I described. The routines he recommended after he retired I don't believe he ever used when he was involved in contests.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: DK II on January 06, 2012, 08:12:12 AM
Do we have a verdict on Bear vs; Gorilla vs crocodile yet?
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: wes on January 06, 2012, 08:18:05 AM
Do we have a verdict on Bear vs; Gorilla vs crocodile yet?
Mongoose.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: dj181 on January 06, 2012, 08:18:49 AM
He actually split the body in half training body parts either twice or once a week.  This was how he trained for the 1980 Olympia.  Monday would be legs, chest and tricep. Wednesday would be back, delt and bicep. Friday would be Monday's routine.  Next week Monday would be back, delt, and bicep. Wednesday would go back to leg, chest, and tricep. Friday back to back, delt and bicep.  Mr. Florida Frank Calta trained in a similar way and he called it rotation for recuperation.

He did win the IFBB Mr. America using a whole body routine.  He then went to a 4 day split training half the body at a time. His last competitive routine was the three day a week I described. The routines he recommended after he retired I don't believe he ever used when he was involved in contests.

Thanks for that answer man :)
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: DK II on January 06, 2012, 08:19:05 AM
Mongoose.


I'll pass and have the cat-dinner with musclecenter instead, but thanks for asking.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: wes on January 06, 2012, 08:19:52 AM

I'll pass and have the cat-dinner with musclecenter instead, but thanks for asking.
Cutting calories I see!  ;D
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: DK II on January 06, 2012, 08:24:32 AM
Cutting calories I see!  ;D

All the test, holiday season and eating without limitation left me a bit bloated, but i guess 2 weeks on cat-meat and raw goat milk will get me back in shape again.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: wes on January 06, 2012, 08:25:31 AM
All the test, holiday season and eating without limitation left me a bit bloated, but i guess 2 weeks on cat-meat and raw goat milk will get me back in shape again.
That`s the diet I always use for fast fat loss.  LOL  ;D
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: oldtimer1 on January 06, 2012, 08:27:25 AM
ita a fact that bears beat gorillas. romans made them fight and the won-loss record favored bears.

Where did you read this?  Obviously the guy who wrote it lied and has a prejudice against gorillas.  There is a big difference between a silver back in the wild and one kept in a cage.  I was at the zoo and I told a gorilla what you wrote and he couldn't stop laughing.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: DK II on January 06, 2012, 04:10:51 PM
That`s the diet I always use for fast fat loss.  LOL  ;D

Wxchange the cat meat with kangaroo and you'll be 350lbs shredded in 6 weeks.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: wes on January 06, 2012, 04:14:09 PM
Wxchange the cat meat with kangaroo and you'll be 350lbs shredded in 6 weeks.
Shit,no kangaroos here.......got any sources ?  ;D
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on January 06, 2012, 04:32:04 PM
i say animal because a lot of pasta and rice contains protein, but the bodybuilding industry teaches that you shouldn't count those proteins only animal proteins


if it turns out you can count them and need a lot less animal protein than suggested then i can save a LOT of money right


Count all your protein if you're a calorie counter... A box of whole wheat pasta has 280 grams of carbs and about 50 grams of protein. Throw in a pound of Fish or chicken and a large carton of liquid egg whites and a can of pineapple and its about all you need in a day for about $8-10 bucks
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: DK II on January 06, 2012, 04:46:52 PM
Shit,no kangaroos here.......got any sources ?  ;D

Same here, ask SMM, he strangles them with his bare hands.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: reppingfor20 on January 06, 2012, 06:52:12 PM
the human body doesn't need any protein daily, you can go without eating for a while, since you said need I assume this is what you are talking about.

Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: Ursus on January 06, 2012, 07:46:33 PM
All the protein I had today:

Few slices of Roast Beef
1 litre milk
1 steak
half tin of baked beans
Some processed ham
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: chess315 on January 06, 2012, 08:24:24 PM
Why don't you give Mentzer's Consolidation routine a try?



dont knock that consolidation routine very good for a natural.
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: Aussie Duffman on January 06, 2012, 08:57:08 PM
Or man bear pig
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: Marty Champions on January 06, 2012, 08:59:53 PM
All the protein I had today:

Few slices of Roast Beef
1 litre milk
1 steak
half tin of baked beans
Some processed ham

you are getting too much heme-iron ursus , and im worried about that cause your a great guy to me
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: dj181 on January 07, 2012, 02:18:37 AM
dont knock that consolidation routine very good for a natural.

I'm not knocking it man, I'm just trying to get this dude to give it a fair run. He seems to be looking for something that will give him some results, so I thought that I'd throw this out there.

In my own personal experience "diet" means literally almost nothing with regards to results. I always get my best results when I trained VERY, VERY HARD, I'm talking almost passing out during a "proper" workout lol But the probelm is, who the fuck wants to work that hard on a regular and consistent basis?

Are ya listening falcon?
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: Ursus on January 07, 2012, 10:27:51 AM
you are getting too much heme-iron ursus , and im worried about that cause your a great guy to me

Please explain master Falcon!
Title: Re: how much animal protein does a natural need daily?
Post by: FAST LANE on January 07, 2012, 07:23:57 PM
doesn't matter. you wont grow anyway unless hormonized. and don't waste your money on protein powders.

This!!