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Posted at 11:17 AM ET, 01/06/2012
White House proposes 0.5 percent pay increase for federal workers
By Ed O'Keefe
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/white-house-proposes-05-percent-pay-increase-for-federal-workers/2012/01/06/gIQA18fyeP_blog.html?hpid=z1
(Andrew Harrer - Bloomberg) The White House will propose a 0.5 percent pay increase for civilian federal employees as part of its 2013 budget proposal, according to two senior administration officials familiar with the plans.
The modest cost of living increase in federal compensation would be the first pay jump for federal workers since before President Obama ordered a two-year freeze in late 2010.
The proposal, which requires congressional approval, differs from Republican plans supported by lawmakers and presidential candidates that would freeze federal compensation for at least one more year. In recent weeks, GOP lawmakers have called for extending the pay freeze as a way to pay for a payroll tax extension.
But, “a permanent pay freeze is not an acceptable policy,” one of the senior administration officials said Friday. “While modest, a .5 percent increase reflects the belt-tightening we must do in these difficult times.”
Poll: Do you approve of this potential pay increase for federal workers? Click here to vote.
The officials were unauthorized to speak publicly on the matter, but said that the White House notified agency budget offices about the decision Friday morning so that agencies could complete their 2013 budget requests.
No decision has been made yet on a potential pay raise for uniformed military personnel, the officials said Friday. The White House is expected to formally unveil its fiscal 2013 budget proposal in early February.
The proposal would save about $28 billion over the next decade and $2 billion in fiscal 2013 under the caps authorized by the budget control measures passed last summer, the officials said.
But the pay bump is well below the 3.6 percent cost of living adjustment that went into effect this week for Social Security and other benefits to keep pace with inflation. It is also far below private sector earnings, which climbed an average of 2.1 percent in 2011, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Federal worker union leaders voiced tepid support Friday.
“In a way I’m happy that the pay freeze is over, but of course the amount doesn’t make me yell and cheer,” said John Gage, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, the nation’s largest federal union.
“Clearly I don’t think it comes close to paying federal employees what they’re worth, but at the same time, it also breaks this terrible pay freeze that has been put on us and hopefully it will carry through, and we will avoid any pay freezes that might come from the payroll tax deduction negotiations.”
Gage said “a real threat” remains that Republicans will successfully enact a pay freeze as part of the payroll tax negotiations. AFGE and other unions have said Republicans should focus on raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans instead of federal employees, the vast majority of whom are middle-class wage earners.
Despite the small cost of living increase, raises for step increases and workers promoted to new positions would continue, as they have during the freeze.
The federal government employs roughly 2 million civilian federal employees, with about 85 percent living and working outside the Washington area.
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LOL.
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Posted at 11:17 AM ET, 01/06/2012
White House proposes 0.5 percent pay increase for federal workers
By Ed O'Keefe
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/white-house-proposes-05-percent-pay-increase-for-federal-workers/2012/01/06/gIQA18fyeP_blog.html?hpid=z1
(Andrew Harrer - Bloomberg) The White House will propose a 0.5 percent pay increase for civilian federal employees as part of its 2013 budget proposal, according to two senior administration officials familiar with the plans.
The modest cost of living increase in federal compensation would be the first pay jump for federal workers since before President Obama ordered a two-year freeze in late 2010.
The proposal, which requires congressional approval, differs from Republican plans supported by lawmakers and presidential candidates that would freeze federal compensation for at least one more year. In recent weeks, GOP lawmakers have called for extending the pay freeze as a way to pay for a payroll tax extension.
But, “a permanent pay freeze is not an acceptable policy,” one of the senior administration officials said Friday. “While modest, a .5 percent increase reflects the belt-tightening we must do in these difficult times.”
Poll: Do you approve of this potential pay increase for federal workers? Click here to vote.
The officials were unauthorized to speak publicly on the matter, but said that the White House notified agency budget offices about the decision Friday morning so that agencies could complete their 2013 budget requests.
No decision has been made yet on a potential pay raise for uniformed military personnel, the officials said Friday. The White House is expected to formally unveil its fiscal 2013 budget proposal in early February.
The proposal would save about $28 billion over the next decade and $2 billion in fiscal 2013 under the caps authorized by the budget control measures passed last summer, the officials said.
But the pay bump is well below the 3.6 percent cost of living adjustment that went into effect this week for Social Security and other benefits to keep pace with inflation. It is also far below private sector earnings, which climbed an average of 2.1 percent in 2011, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Federal worker union leaders voiced tepid support Friday.
“In a way I’m happy that the pay freeze is over, but of course the amount doesn’t make me yell and cheer,” said John Gage, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, the nation’s largest federal union.
“Clearly I don’t think it comes close to paying federal employees what they’re worth, but at the same time, it also breaks this terrible pay freeze that has been put on us and hopefully it will carry through, and we will avoid any pay freezes that might come from the payroll tax deduction negotiations.”
Gage said “a real threat” remains that Republicans will successfully enact a pay freeze as part of the payroll tax negotiations. AFGE and other unions have said Republicans should focus on raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans instead of federal employees, the vast majority of whom are middle-class wage earners.
Despite the small cost of living increase, raises for step increases and workers promoted to new positions would continue, as they have during the freeze.
The federal government employs roughly 2 million civilian federal employees, with about 85 percent living and working outside the Washington area.
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0.5 increase is a cost of living adjustment. Not to mention the amount isn't that much and there's been a pay freeze for the past 2 years. A person making 50k a year can expect to get an extra 250 dollars a year before taxes.... ::)
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They should be cut drastically until they are in line w the private sector.
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They should be cut drastically until they are in line w the private sector.
The private sector is actually much higher, dum ass. That's why the POTUS makes 400k a year while an average board member on a company gets over 5 million a year......
Anything else.... ::)
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The private sector is actually much higher, dum ass. That's why the POTUS makes 400k a year while an average board member on a company gets over 5 million a year......
Anything else.... ::)
LOL!!!! Are you kidding?
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LOL!!!! Are you kidding?
No...the private sectors always pay more than public jobs, dipshit.
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The private sector is actually much higher, dum ass. That's why the POTUS makes 400k a year while an average board member on a company gets over 5 million a year......
Anything else.... ::)
Where are you getting over $5 million in compensation for an "average board member"?
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That is good, our military is too big and takes too much money out of the yearly budget. We need to shrink our military, bring our troops and ships and submarines home, and give this money to the people of our land.
Unionize every worker as well in the USA so they can buy food without having to apply for food stamps.
Also a great new magazine for forward thinking people is The Nation - www.thenation.com (http://www.thenation.com) to subscribe, great writing and insight into the craziness that is this numbers guy way of thinking.
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reppingfor20's methods have been tried in the 1930s - the result? 25% unemployment.
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No...the private sectors always pay more than public jobs, dipshit.
The average pay for public sector jobs is higher than the average pay for private sector jobs. We are the servants and they are the masters.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5aAsxFJOeMw/TNrsEuHfjMI/AAAAAAAADps/LPVYAieByLw/s1600/federal-employee-vs-private-sector-compensation-2008.PNG)
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reppingfor20's methods have been tried in the 1930s - the result? 25% unemployment.
wrong it is what this country was built on and what got us out of the great depression.
next thing you will say is the bush tax cuts created jobs... LOL ;D
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The Great Depression lasted for 15 years. In other economic downturns where wages were allowed to fall in response to falling demand, like the Depression of 1920-21, lasted a lot less and the recovery was much stronger.
This country was built on individual liberty and free markets, not on unions restricting the supply of labor and screwing over 99% of the public.
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That is good, our military is too big and takes too much money out of the yearly budget. We need to shrink our military, bring our troops and ships and submarines home, and give this money to the people of our land.
Unionize every worker as well in the USA so they can buy food without having to apply for food stamps.
Also a great new magazine for forward thinking people is The Nation - www.thenation.com (http://www.thenation.com) to subscribe, great writing and insight into the craziness that is this numbers guy way of thinking.
Sorry rag...u don't get shit..its your fucked up religion that causes all the pain and misery that we're forced to clean up.....and those wars aren't going away any time soon no matter how much the liberal douchbags want to stick their collective heads in the sand. I guess you can't read...as our Constitution mandates a military...not a hand-out to its citizens.
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wrong it is what this country was built on and what got us out of the great depression.
next thing you will say is the bush tax cuts created jobs... LOL ;D
Dudes, unions are pieces of shit.
My friend works for Boeing, and almost everyone under that Union wishes they would just go away, the system is so corrupt, many times when they strike they dont even consult the employees, its so corrupt its not even funny. Every one of his co-workers Ive talked to wishes the union would get lost. Especially since their last strike fucked them so bad Boeing went out of state and opened a new facility across the country.
The Union forces demands on Boeing that the workers dont agree with, mostly because the Unions benefit every time they strike - and the employees just get fucked.
The idea of Unions has outlasted its usefullness.. it had a place in the past, now theyre just another corrupt form of bureaucracy.
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They're closing some lines in Kansas and moving them elsewhere. Repping gets his talking points from the PLO and the Daily Kos.....he hasn't had an original idea yet.
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Dudes, unions are pieces of shit.
My friend works for Boeing, and almost everyone under that Union wishes they would just go away, the system is so corrupt, many times when they strike they dont even consult the employees, its so corrupt its not even funny. Every one of his co-workers Ive talked to wishes the union would get lost. Especially since their last strike fucked them so bad Boeing went out of state and opened a new facility across the country.
The Union forces demands on Boeing that the workers dont agree with, mostly because the Unions benefit every time they strike - and the employees just get fucked.
The idea of Unions has outlasted its usefullness.. it had a place in the past, now theyre just another corrupt form of bureaucracy.
Unions are useful on the free market, when they receive no special privileges from government... but now, with all of the power they have, they have become corrupted. They no longer serve the worker, but the union bosses. Look at what's been happening with the Big Three for an example.
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I dont have as ,uch a problem with private unions as I do public sector unions.
There is no justification whatsoever for public sector unions.
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Unions are useful on the free market, when they receive no special privileges from government... but now, with all of the power they have, they have become corrupted. They no longer serve the worker, but the union bosses. Look at what's been happening with the Big Three for an example.
Exactly.
Hell, Boeing Washington state (Where Im from) just opened a new plant for the 787 in South Carolina because the fucked up Union was trying to force such rediculous conditions on them they just said "Fuck you guys" and moved a huge portion of the production elsewhere.
The employees were PISSED. None of them wanted to strike, they only polled a small portion of the workers that they knew were for it and didnt consulte anyone else, and they just did it. They just went on strike, over some of the most rediculous demands you can ever think of, when Boeing employees already have some of the best pay/benefits of anyone in that state. Why? Because the Union stood to gain, not the employees. The union didnt give a flying fuck about the employees.
Now a major contract that could have brought a huge number of jobs to Wa has been sent to the carolina's where Boeing can pay the employees half the money/benefits. Boeing wanted to stay in Wa, and was willing to give the Union a lot, but nope, the Union wanted everything and refused to compromise. And now all those jobs are gone. And the Union publicly said they didnt care and would do it again.
Fuck the Boeing Union.
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Dudes, unions are pieces of shit.
My friend works for Boeing, and almost everyone under that Union wishes they would just go away, the system is so corrupt, many times when they strike they dont even consult the employees, its so corrupt its not even funny. Every one of his co-workers Ive talked to wishes the union would get lost. Especially since their last strike fucked them so bad Boeing went out of state and opened a new facility across the country.
The Union forces demands on Boeing that the workers dont agree with, mostly because the Unions benefit every time they strike - and the employees just get fucked.
The idea of Unions has outlasted its usefullness.. it had a place in the past, now theyre just another corrupt form of bureaucracy.
That is why every worker in the USA needs to be mandated to be unionized, so companies cannot go anywhere else and get other labor, also make it so if they choose to move outside USA, put a tarriff on any goods coming in equal to what they would have paid the union workers and the US corporate tax rate, so there would be no point to moving outside the USA to do business. Unions for life. Your friend is lucky his pay is so good, he can thank the union, he doesn't know how bad it would be without the union he is spoiled rotten he doesn't even know it.
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The Great Depression lasted for 15 years. In other economic downturns where wages were allowed to fall in response to falling demand, like the Depression of 1920-21, lasted a lot less and the recovery was much stronger.
This country was built on individual liberty and free markets, not on unions restricting the supply of labor and screwing over 99% of the public.
This country was built with free markets, and unions, many things or most USA produced items have a union tag somewhere placed on them for pride of manufacturing. Free markets worked back then when people had morals, now rich people do not have morals and will pay the worker and treat the worker like the shit because they can and they have no morals, they want more money, money, money, money.
We got out of the great depression partly by taxing the rich with a very high tax rate, that is one place to start.
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That is why every worker in the USA needs to be mandated to be unionized, so companies cannot go anywhere else and get other labor, also make it so if they choose to move outside USA, put a tarriff on any goods coming in equal to what they would have paid the union workers and the US corporate tax rate, so there would be no point to moving outside the USA to do business. Unions for life. Your friend is lucky his pay is so good, he can thank the union, he doesn't know how bad it would be without the union he is spoiled rotten he doesn't even know it.
LOL!
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This country was built with free markets, and unions, many things or most USA produced items have a union tag somewhere placed on them for pride of manufacturing. Free markets worked back then when people had morals, now rich people do not have morals and will pay the worker and treat the worker like the shit because they can and they have no morals, they want more money, money, money, money.
People have always been greedy moron. Its human nature.
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They're closing some lines in Kansas and moving them elsewhere. Repping gets his talking points from the PLO and the Daily Kos.....he hasn't had an original idea yet.
I don't read either of those two things, my talking points come from myself, I don't even know what the PLO is or the Daily Kos? I posted about The Nation magazine I know, but I do not read it and get my talking points from it, I posted it as a therapy of sorts to get some of you thinking in the right direction.
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People have always been greedy moron. Its human nature.
Yes people have been greedy to an extent, just like bodybuilding look at the 70's look compared to now, it is a freak show disgusting. You can look at greed the same way, ceo pay was 30-1 for avg worker now it is 300/500-1 for avg worker, ballooned up just like bodybuilding and not for the better.
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reppingfor20's methods have been tried in the 1930s - the result? 25% unemployment.
your wrong and straight up making things up.
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That is why every worker in the USA needs to be mandated to be unionized, so companies cannot go anywhere else and get other labor, also make it so if they choose to move outside USA, put a tarriff on any goods coming in equal to what they would have paid the union workers and the US corporate tax rate, so there would be no point to moving outside the USA to do business. Unions for life. Your friend is lucky his pay is so good, he can thank the union, he doesn't know how bad it would be without the union he is spoiled rotten he doesn't even know it.
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The company went out of state because of rediculous Union demands, and because the employees in South Carolina wanted to work, same as the ones in Washington, except the Union fucked it up for the washington workers.
Your whole premise is flawed. Unions are supposed to protect the workers, not to strike to line their own pockets (which is what they did, and they said theyd do again).
Your hard line ideology without the ability to compromise is what is causing the countries problems now, All you have to do is take a look at Obama, he has the same hard line ideological standpoints you do and since he's not willing to compromise them, he's turning himself into a dictator that is tearing the country apart, all because he cant admit he is wrong and that his ideas wont work.
Him, like you, simply cannot accept that his ideology, while good in principle, just does not work in the real world... But he seems to be willing to destroy his whole country to discover that for himself.
The fact is, not everyone deserves to have an equal cut, or an equal life... because people are not equal. Some work harder, some work less hard, some are smarter, some arent.
The only "fair share" I believe the government should try to enfoce, is equal opportunity, everyone should have the opportunity to excel if they are willing/able. If they cant, wont, or dont want to, sorry, they dont deserve the same wages/llives as someone who works his ass off or is gifted. Thats just life.
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The company went out of state because of rediculous Union demands, and because the employees in South Carolina wanted to work, same as the ones in Washington, except the Union fucked it up for the washington workers.
Your whole premise is flawed. Unions are supposed to protect the workers, not to strike to line their own pockets (which is what they did, and they said theyd do again).
Your hard line ideology without the ability to compromise is what is causing the countries problems now, All you have to do is take a look at Obama, he has the same hard line ideological standpoints you do and since he's not willing to compromise them, he's turning himself into a dictator that is tearing the country apart, all because he cant admit he is wrong and that his ideas wont work.
Him, like you, simply cannot accept that his ideology, while good in principle, just does not work in the real world... But he seems to be willing to destroy his whole country to discover that for himself.
The fact is, not everyone deserves to have an equal cut, or an equal life... because people are not equal. Some work harder, some work less hard, some are smarter, some arent.
The only "fair share" I believe the government should try to enfoce, is equal opportunity, everyone should have the opportunity to excel if they are willing/able. If they cant, wont, or dont want to, sorry, they dont deserve the same wages/llives as someone who works his ass off or is gifted. Thats just life.
The union demands where looking out for the worker. That is why unions exist to protect the average joe from evil, greedy corporations.
They strike as a way to force the company to realize they have fucked up and make right with the workers, so the workers benefits go up and pay as well. There are some corrupt unions, but conservatives blow that up for their own personal agenda, just like their is always a trouble maker in a crowd.
You cannot deny Obama's policies have turned this country around and you are just starting to see it, newest numbers out yesterday or the day beforehand, just go to show his hard line policies against the ignorant tea party are working out. You will hate to admit it, but in 3 months it will keep getting better, more regulations, higher taxes, better for average worker.
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No...the private sectors always pay more than public jobs, dipshit.
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The union demands where looking out for the worker. That is why unions exist to protect the average joe from evil, greedy corporations.
They strike as a way to force the company to realize they have fucked up and make right with the workers, so the workers benefits go up and pay as well. There are some corrupt unions, but conservatives blow that up for their own personal agenda, just like their is always a trouble maker in a crowd.
You cannot deny Obama's policies have turned this country around and you are just starting to see it, newest numbers out yesterday or the day beforehand, just go to show his hard line policies against the ignorant tea party are working out. You will hate to admit it, but in 3 months it will keep getting better, more regulations, higher taxes, better for average worker.
The unions were not looking out for the employees. They make money every time they go on strike. The employees overwhelmingly were happy with the compromise Boeing offered. The Union refused even thought the employees (who didnt want to strike in the 1st place) were extremely pleased with what Boeing offered.. Sorry, but you are wrong.
BTW, the numbers youre talking about are cooked numbers Obama is trying to use on his reelection campaign - UE is not down, the numbers went down due to people leaving the workforce which the people who calculate UE dont take into effect, we actually have less people employed than 2008. Calculate how many more people live in the US now than did, and you have a real UE of over 12-15%. Couple that with seasonal jobs, and you have a bunch of fake numbers.
But whatever, I know youre just trolling, and that it doesnt matter if theyre fake or not, all you care about is the numbers that look good.
The people walking the streets know the truth, that Obama's idiocy is destroying everything so many people have worked so hard for. Howards graphs dont lie - the rediculous overregulation in this country is destroying the small buisiness, only people that can afford that is the big rich Corps you seem to rail against. So go ahead, keep claiming Obama is working for the common man, when the truth is, he's actually putting more money in the hands of the top 1% than most presidents in history.
Obamacare, BTW, also winds up costing the average person MORE for healthcare, increase costs on healthcare, and saves big corp's money. Not to mention Obama signed a deal with Big Pharma that gave them even more of a stranglehold on the market, lolololol. Its amazing to me people can actually think he gives a damn about them when they read about the shit he's done that robs them of their money, is blatantly in violation of the constitution, and when he outright says hes not going to follow the rules set in place by the founding fathers to protect the people from overbearing government.
Epic lulz.
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You guys are arguing with this homo. Seriously, why even bother ???
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You guys are arguing with this homo. Seriously, why even bother ???
I know. after the last post, I realized, wow Im the only one stupid enough to bother typing to him. Epic fail.
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The average pay for public sector jobs is higher than the average pay for private sector jobs. We are the servants and they are the masters.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5aAsxFJOeMw/TNrsEuHfjMI/AAAAAAAADps/LPVYAieByLw/s1600/federal-employee-vs-private-sector-compensation-2008.PNG)
That graph is ka crock of shit. The highest paid federal worker gets 400k a year which is the president and lots of peoplemake more than he does.
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The unions were not looking out for the employees. They make money every time they go on strike. The employees overwhelmingly were happy with the compromise Boeing offered. The Union refused even thought the employees (who didnt want to strike in the 1st place) were extremely pleased with what Boeing offered.. Sorry, but you are wrong.
BTW, the numbers youre talking about are cooked numbers Obama is trying to use on his reelection campaign - UE is not down, the numbers went down due to people leaving the workforce which the people who calculate UE dont take into effect, we actually have less people employed than 2008. Calculate how many more people live in the US now than did, and you have a real UE of over 12-15%. Couple that with seasonal jobs, and you have a bunch of fake numbers.
But whatever, I know youre just trolling, and that it doesnt matter if theyre fake or not, all you care about is the numbers that look good.
The people walking the streets know the truth, that Obama's idiocy is destroying everything so many people have worked so hard for. Howards graphs dont lie - the rediculous overregulation in this country is destroying the small buisiness, only people that can afford that is the big rich Corps you seem to rail against. So go ahead, keep claiming Obama is working for the common man, when the truth is, he's actually putting more money in the hands of the top 1% than most presidents in history.
Obamacare, BTW, also winds up costing the average person MORE for healthcare, increase costs on healthcare, and saves big corp's money. Not to mention Obama signed a deal with Big Pharma that gave them even more of a stranglehold on the market, lolololol. Its amazing to me people can actually think he gives a damn about them when they read about the shit he's done that robs them of their money, is blatantly in violation of the constitution, and when he outright says hes not going to follow the rules set in place by the founding fathers to protect the people from overbearing government.
Epic lulz.
If you look at what the average union employee makes vs what the average non union employee makes you will find your answer there. Unions help pay and benefits and time off, bottom line. Going on strike is good, corporations need to know they are not the ones running the show.
The numbers are not cooked as they have come out 2 months in a row. UE initial claims are down as well. Private sector jobs are growing, although I would like to see expanded public sector jobs and more agencies instead.
We don't have enough regulation. We need more, see wallstreet, the oil disaster, etc etc.
Obama's health care program will not end up costing people more unless then don't have any coverage now they would be mandated to buy it or face a fine and the fine is rather low. People who already have insurance will have better choices and be able to get a better deal because the insurance companies will have to compete for peoples money.
Either way Obama is going to win in 2012, the house will go Democrat and we will raise taxes on the rich and the country will start to rise again. Nothing GOP can do about it, they already showed their hand and their candidates are a joke, election is over already, Romney vs Obama LOL.
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If you look at what the average union employee makes vs what the average non union employee makes you will find your answer there. Unions help pay and benefits and time off, bottom line. Going on strike is good, corporations need to know they are not the ones running the show.
The numbers are not cooked as they have come out 2 months in a row. UE initial claims are down as well. Private sector jobs are growing, although I would like to see expanded public sector jobs and more agencies instead.
We don't have enough regulation. We need more, see wallstreet, the oil disaster, etc etc.
Obama's health care program will not end up costing people more unless then don't have any coverage now they would be mandated to buy it or face a fine and the fine is rather low. People who already have insurance will have better choices and be able to get a better deal because the insurance companies will have to compete for peoples money.
Either way Obama is going to win in 2012, the house will go Democrat and we will raise taxes on the rich and the country will start to rise again. Nothing GOP can do about it, they already showed their hand and their candidates are a joke, election is over already, Romney vs Obama LOL.
Jesus Christ, I hope you dont actually believe this horseshit, lol.
Obama sure saw you coming.
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Dude....the Dems are going to loose the Senate as well....this idiot has zero clue whats going on.
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The funniest part is the things hes going to say when the country implodes, Ive never seen anyone so capable of explaining why Obamas utter failures is actually good, because he says so. haha.
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The funniest part is the things hes going to say when the country implodes, Ive never seen anyone so capable of explaining why Obamas utter failures is actually good, because he says so. haha.
If your goal is to collapse America, like jtsumani and Obama has, it all makes sense.
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Posted at 11:17 AM ET, 01/06/2012
White House proposes 0.5 percent pay increase for federal workers
My son will be pleased that he's getting a raise, albeit a tiny one.
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My son will be pleased that he's getting a raise.
nd the taxpayer will get fucked to fund that!
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nd the taxpayer will get fucked to fund that!
That's a bit of an overstatement in reference to my son. He's just one employee. I don't think his raise would have much affect on any one taxpayer. What did you say the raise was...0.5% ? That would amount to about $500 a year for him (corrected for accuracy).
Of course, you have no idea what his job is. So, I cannot completely fault you for thinking the way you do.
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That's a bit of an overstatement in reference to my son. He's just one employee. I don't think his raise would have much affect on any one taxpayer. What did you say the raise way....5%? That would amount to about $5,000 a year for him.
Of course, you have no idea what his job is. So, I cannot completely fault you for thinking the way you do.
doesn't matter! The deficit is over a trillion dollars!
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nd the taxpayer will get fucked to fund that!
The government needs to bring its wages in line, so many gov employees have rediculous paying jobs to stand there and stare at a wall, there is no competition and they know it.
Go to your local post office, Ive never been treated as shitty anywhere as I was recently trying to pick a package up, I walked up to the pickup door as someone else was giving the woman her pickup card, she took the card, and as I stepped up to hand her mine, she looked and me and made a big show of slamming the door in my face. So much so that the other customers said "Wow... that was rude"
No "Hold on a min"
No "ill be right back"
Then she came back, handed the woman her package. I asked her if I could give her my card, she said no and shut the door in my face again.
15 minutes later she came back, opened the door, and said "Next"
If I ever treated ANYONE like that at ANY job I worked at, I would have been fucking fired on the spot. But every employee there was acting like that, you could look around and just see the disgust on their faces dealing with people.
And they get paid out of the ass to treat people like that. Same thing at the DMV. The gov needs to start holding these people accountable, either pay them less or create some competition, right now its just bullshit.
Its especially infuriating when you think that YOURE paying their exorbitate salary to treat you like shit.
I was paying that woman to slam the door in my face.
Grrrrr
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The government needs to bring its wages in line, so many gov employees have rediculous paying jobs to stand there and stare at a wall, there is no competition and they know it.
Go to your local post office, Ive never been treated as shitty anywhere as I was recently trying to pick a package up, I walked up to the pickup door as someone else was giving the woman her pickup card, she took the card, and as I stepped up to hand her mine, she looked and me and made a big show of slamming the door in my face. So much so that the other customers said "Wow... that was rude"
No "Hold on a min"
No "ill be right back"
Then she came back, handed the woman her package. I asked her if I could give her my card, she said no and shut the door in my face again.
15 minutes later she came back, opened the door, and said "Next"
If I ever treated ANYONE like that at ANY job I worked at, I would have been fucking fired on the spot. But every employee there was acting like that, you could look around and just see the disgust on their faces dealing with people.
And they get paid out of the ass to treat people like that. Same thing at the DMV. The gov needs to start holding these people accountable, either pay them less or create some competition, right now its just bullshit.
Its especially infuriating when you think that YOURE paying their exorbitate salary to treat you like shit.
I was paying that woman to slam the door in my face.
Grrrrr
Today the USPS is funded entirely by revenues from postage and not with taxpayer dollars. If you don't like the service at USPS, I recommend you use UPS or FEDX.
http://www.nalc.org/postal/perform/selfsufficient.html#subsidize
My sister worked for ODMV. Her job was to provide help via the phone. She was paid about the same wage as a barista at Starbucks makes. Before you assume that all public employees are overpaid, do some homework.
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USPS is about to be defunct.
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Today the USPS is funded entirely by revenues from postage and not with taxpayer dollars. If you don't like the service at USPS, I recommend you use UPS or FEDX.
http://www.nalc.org/postal/perform/selfsufficient.html#subsidize
My sister worked for ODMV. Her job was to provide help via the phone. She was paid about the same wage as a barista at Starbucks makes. Before you assume that all public employees are overpaid, do some homework.
My bad on USPS.
Nowhere did I say ALL gov employees are overpaid, but more often than not, they are. And there is next to no competition.
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LOL at the conservative delusion men on here. They cannot comprehend how the GOP just screwed themselves with the payroll tax cut extension, waiting out till the last minute and holding the country hostage so they could earmark some things in the bill for their rich buddies, you must be really proud of them.
They will show more of their true colors come 2 months from now, they will have new ideas on how to help out their billionaire friends and screw the middle class, holding out till the last minute to get all they can for the richest people in the country all the while shitting on the average worker. People see thru their games and they do not like it, GOP out Democrats in House and Senate of course. President of course stays in no competition.
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nd the taxpayer will get fucked to fund that!
you are so anti government I would question if you would want any government at all, it is good though we have Obama watching over you and your antics.
Somalia would be a better place for you to live I think, not much structure, just free for all, just like you like, keep your guns and ammo ready and open up a shop selling snake oil and no gov't agency will investigate you.
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you are so anti government I would question if you would want any government at all, it is good though we have Obama watching over you and your antics.
LOL. If Obama came to my house, I would verbally make him cry w his economic incompetence snd ignorance.
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LOL. If Obama came to my house, I would verbally make him cry w his economic incompetence snd ignorance.
First you would be in shock, then you would probably see all the security around him and understand it is best to have a civil conversation with him, Obama is very smart, he could out debate you very fast.
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First you would be in shock, then you would probably see all the security around him and understand it is best to have a civil conversation with him, Obama is very smart, he could out debate you very fast.
LOL. I would point him to the nearest pop eyes chicken and welfare office and mock the SS protecting hom for having a joke of a job protecting Ghettobama.
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First you would be in shock, then you would probably see all the security around him and understand it is best to have a civil conversation with him, Obama is very smart, he could out debate you very fast.
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Picture speaks a thousand words.
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My bad on USPS.
Nowhere did I say ALL gov employees are overpaid, but more often than not, they are. And there is next to no competition.
Likewise, I am not implying that all government employees are underpaid. Some do seem to be overpaid for the work they do.
Just to be clear, I am a retired public employee. Of course I don't believe I was overpaid, but I was paid decently. Comparisons indicate that in Oregon, public employees working for the state make less in salary then their counterparts in the private sector. However they often have better benefits, so it kind of evens things out. When I took the job as a public employee, I did take a pretty big hit in wages. But, as I said the benefits were better, particularly for those of us who devoted thirty years of our working years to public employment. My retirement is very good. So I am not complaining at all.
I mentioned my son working for the Federal government. He is retired from the military. Essentially, he does a very similar job to the one he had before he retired. He travels for work considerably more now though. On the upside, he cannot be deployed to a war zone. If he were asked to do something he didn't want to do, he now has the same option the rest of us have; he can quit his job.
I am not sure what you mean by no competition. Many public positions are more difficult to land than those in the private sector. For example, I worked for a school district. In order to work there on has to pass an extensive criminal background check. If one has ever had a felony, they will not be hired. If one commits a felony while employed or conducts themself in anyway unbecoming to the District, they are usually dismissed. My experience with private sector employment was that it is a lot more lenient and forgiving of people's mistakes.
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USPS is about to be defunct.
And should this happen, expect to forget about mail delivery altogether.
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Public workers are paid a fair wage, and private workers are paid peanuts, that is why you think public workers are paid too much, because private sector workers for the most part are paid shitty money except for CEO's and such. The real truth is public workers get compensated for what they do and are paid fairly compared to exploitation of greedy, evil corporations in the private sector many are used to.
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Public workers are paid a fair wage, and private workers are paid peanuts, that is why you think public workers are paid too much, because private sector workers for the most part are paid shitty money except for CEO's and such. The real truth is public workers get compensated for what they do and are paid fairly compared to exploitation of greedy, evil corporations in the private sector many are used to.
LOL. !!!! You have to be the most ignorant moron and sand rat on this site.
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LOL. !!!! You have to be the most ignorant moron and sand rat on this site.
common sense is your enemy :)
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common sense is your enemy :)
And civilization is yours. Go back to screwing camels.
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And civilization is yours. Go back to screwing camels.
so you admit you have no common sense? I take being called civilized as a compliment.
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LOL. I would point him to the nearest pop eyes chicken and welfare office and mock the SS protecting hom for having a joke of a job protecting Ghettobama.
you are such a fucking racist moron lmao.....
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you are such a fucking racist moron lmao.....
did you just notice this? The guy is like the supreme leader of the kkk and that is an insult, most blindly racist people are not that intelligent.
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did you just notice this? The guy is like the supreme leader of the kkk and that is an insult, most blindly racist people are not that intelligent.
Like Obama?
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Obama guts military but gives raises to bureaucrats
By: Examiner Editorial | 01/08/12 8:05 PM.
AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite
President Barack Obama has a quiet lunch with a small group of supporters at a restaurant in Washington on Friday.Hard facts ought to prevail where American security is concerned. This applies equally whether the issue at hand is the geopolitical consequences of ill-advised defense cuts or the possibility that waste and fraud in military procurement might result in the deaths of American soldiers. It is in that spirit that we view President Obama's announcement last week at the Pentagon of his new national defense doctrine. While there will be much more to say here in the future, two points stand out for now.
First, Obama claimed that "even as our troops continue to fight in Afghanistan, the tide of war is receding." What logically should have followed such an assertion was something about the surrender of an enemy and assurance that his defeat was so total and comprehensive that decades, if not centuries, will pass before he might again threaten the safety and security of the American people.
Obama could say nothing like that because no such surrender has been tendered, and it is clear to anybody with open eyes that the aggressors in the War on Terror are -- Osama bin Laden's death notwithstanding -- planning lethal new attacks on Americans here at home and American interests around the world. It is as though FDR had said in April 1943 that the tide of World War II was receding and therefore it was time to slash American defense spending because American pilots had shot down a plane carrying Japanese Adm. Isoroku Yamamoto, chief planner behind the attack on Pearl Harbor. No matter that Japanese troops still occupied half of the Pacific and would continue to wage war against the U.S.
Second, another Obama decision became public last week: The chief executive wants to give federal civil servants a half-percent pay raise. The absurdity of this proposal is clear in light of the excellent reporting of USA Today's Dennis Cauchon. In a series of stories in 2010 that drew emotional criticism from federal employee union leaders but no factual refutations, Cauchon used the government's own data to show that civil servants' compensation has far outstripped that of private-sector workers. "The compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade," Cauchon found. "Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009, while private workers made $61,051 in total compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data are the latest available." If anything, Obama should freeze federal pay indefinitely so private-sector employees can catch up with the bureaucrats.
To be sure, the proposed raise is so small as to be largely symbolic, but that's precisely the point: It carries a vital re-election year message from Obama to a key sector of his base constituency -- unionized public employees. It tells them Obama will take care of them, even as he paves the way for firing half a million men and women in uniform who likely are not among his re-election supporters. The hard-eyed conclusion here must be that winning re-election is more important to Obama than assuring American security at home and abroad.
Read more at the Washington Examiner:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/2012/01/obama-guts-military-gives-raises-bureaucrats/2074876#ixzz1iy1BHO8h
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Obama’s War on the American Military
FrontPage Magazine ^ | January 9, 2012 | Alan W. Dowd
Declaring that the U.S. military and the nation it defends are at a “moment of transition,” President Barack Obama has unveiled a dramatic scaling-back of the military’s role, reach and resources—complete with troop reductions, force redeployments and a promise to refocus on economic challenges. Or as he indelicately put it last year, “time to focus on nation-building at home.” Defense Secretary Leon Panetta calls it a “strategic turning point.” Indeed it is. We are left to wonder just what the United States is turning toward—or into.
In his remarks at the Pentagon last week, Obama called America “the greatest force for freedom and security that the world has ever known.” He’s right about that, but what he doesn’t seem to understand—as evidenced by his sweeping strategic review and retrenchment—is that being a global force for freedom and security is not preordained or written in the stars. Rather, it is a role that requires treasure and effort and sacrifice.
The American people may be ready to give up this thankless job, but that seems doubtful. At the very least, the president needs to make sure they understand what these changes will mean. As Robert Gates warned before he left the Pentagon, perhaps aware of what Obama was planning:
If we are going to reduce the resources and the size of the U.S. military…people need to make conscious choices about what the implications are for the security of the country, as well as for the variety of military operations we have around the world, if lower priority missions are scaled back or eliminated…The tough choices ahead are really about the kind of role the American people—accustomed to unquestioned military dominance for the past two decades—want their country to play in the world.
In other words, there’s a price to maintaining a peerless power-projecting military, but there’s also a price to not doing so.
Speaking of price tags, the reason the president unveiled his plan for a “leaner” military, at least ostensibly, is that Congress, concerned about unprecedented debt and deficits, mandated massive reductions in defense spending—some $500 billion in reductions as compared with what had been projected.
“Over the next 10 years, the growth in the defense budget will slow,” Obama explained, “but the fact of the matter is this: It will still grow.” In other words, the president is saying defense spending will grow at a slower rate. That’s a fair point: Slower growth should not be considered a cut. But why don’t the president and his political brethren apply the same logic to social programs? If these aren’t really cuts the president is proposing for the Pentagon, then it’s not really a cut when a reform-minded congressman proposes to slow the rate of growth in, say, Medicare or Social Security or the EPA.
Of course, the reality is that the Armed Forces are not to blame for this budget-deficit mess. We could eliminate the entire defense budget—$662 billion this year—and turn the Pentagon into a mega-mall, and we would still face a budget deficit of $700 billion. (The current deficit is in the $1.3-trillion range.)
The heart of the problem is runaway spending on Social Security, Medicare, stimulus boondoggles and the like. Yet Social Security and other entitlements are simply not as important as national security. After all, our founding document calls on the government to “provide for the common defense” in the very first sentence; then grants Congress the power to declare war, “raise and support armies…provide and maintain a navy…make rules for calling forth the militia…provide for organizing, arming and disciplining the militia”; authorizes the president to serve as “commander-in-chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states”; discusses war, treason and America’s enemies in Article III; and emphasizes the importance of a “well-regulated militia” to the “security of a free state” in the Bill of Rights. On the other hand, the Constitution says nothing about retirement pensions, stimulus programs or health care. The Founders understood that if their new government didn’t provide for the common defense, it wouldn’t be able to provide anything else—and the American people wouldn’t be able to live free, let alone pursue happiness.
But back to the president’s plan for a smaller military. Today’s U.S. military, as the president explained, has “decimated al Qaeda’s leadership…delivered justice to Osama bin Laden…put that terrorist network on the path to defeat…made important progress in Afghanistan…joined allies and partners to protect the Libyan people as they ended the regime of Muammar Qaddafi”—all while defending Europe and the Pacific and the homeland.
If the president’s plans go forward, tomorrow’s U.S. military won’t be nearly as ambidextrous. In 2010, Obama directed the military to be capable of “maintaining the ability to prevail against two capable nation-state aggressors.” That was Obama’s way of restating the so-called two-war strategy that helped shape the post-Cold War force. In contrast, as The New York Times reports, the president’s new strategy calls on the Pentagon only to be capable of “denying the objectives of—or imposing unacceptable costs on—an opportunistic aggressor in a second region.”
That’s not an insignificant difference. What Obama fails to understand is that the two-war strategy gave the military resources to carry out other important missions—missions that are less intensive than full-blown conflicts against nation-state rivals: counterterrorism ops in the Philippines and Abbottabad and Somalia, air wars in Libya and Kosovo, counter-piracy off the Horn of Africa, freedom-of-navigation maneuvers in the Strait of Hormuz and South China Sea, humanitarian rescues in Japan and Haiti.
In other words, the two-war strategy gave the Pentagon and the commander-in-chief a tool box full of resources that could be used in several ways. As the number of tools in the toolbox diminishes, it stands to reason that the number of missions the Pentagon can perform will as well.
While the president is understandably proud of recent successes against al Qaeda and bin Laden and Qaddafi—all of them occurring on his watch—we cannot overlook how much this president has constrained the Pentagon’s strategic reach:
•The president cut the nation’s strategic nuclear forces by 30 percent. •The president carried out a Nuclear Posture Review (NPR) pledging that the United States “will not conduct nuclear testing…will not develop new nuclear warheads…[and] will not use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear weapons states that are party to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and in compliance with their nuclear nonproliferation obligations.” As Gates explained, the president’s changes ended what was known as “calculated ambiguity,” a posture that kept America’s enemies on notice and off balance for decades—and, not coincidentally, kept America and American forces safe from nuclear, biological and chemical attack. •And now, the president has dramatically shrunk the global footprint and reach of the U.S. military. One wonders if this is the sort of change all of those independents and erstwhile conservatives who supported Obama in 2008 hand in mind.
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