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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: 240 is Back on January 09, 2012, 08:25:29 PM
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Question: "What is, shit you don't say the day before the New Hampshire primary."
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What is wrong with firing people that don't provide adequate services?
Should employers just keep them on ???
I am sure this will only bother the extreme left.
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This makes me like Mitt more.
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I am sure this will only bother the extreme left.
Mitt said it today.
And the people who are bothered are actually other republicans, and a lot of republican voters.
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Mitt said it today.
And the people who are bothered are actually other republicans, and a lot of republican voters.
According to who?
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According to who?
According to "Douchebag is back" who likely pulled this "fact" out of his ass, much like he did with the rest of them.
Good for Romney. No one cares. He'll still win NH tomorrow. ::)
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I watched the video here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/romney-sees-need-to-be-able-to-fire-service-providers/2012/01/09/gIQAF18alP_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/romney-sees-need-to-be-able-to-fire-service-providers/2012/01/09/gIQAF18alP_blog.html)
This is only a "gaffe" because the left-wing media takes something out of context and turns it into a gaffe.
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I watched the video here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/romney-sees-need-to-be-able-to-fire-service-providers/2012/01/09/gIQAF18alP_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/romney-sees-need-to-be-able-to-fire-service-providers/2012/01/09/gIQAF18alP_blog.html)
This is only a "gaffe" because the left-wing media takes something out of context and turns it into a gaffe.
So any republicans that bitch about this - they are left wing media?
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So any republicans that bitch about this - they are left wing media?
Or idiots and economic ignoramuses. Watch that video and tell me what is wrong with what Mitt says there. Do you dislike being able to fire people who take your money but don't serve you adequately?
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Or idiots and economic ignoramuses. Watch that video and tell me what is wrong with what Mitt says there. Do you dislike being able to fire people who take your money but don't serve you adequately?
NASHUA, N.H. — Mitt Romney's Republican rivals accused him Monday of exaggerating his successes and coldly laying off thousands of workers while heading a profitable venture capital firm, an effort to turn the presidential front-runner's biggest asset into a liability.
The heightened focus on the firm Bain Capital threatens to slow Romney's cruise-control campaign because it goes to the heart of his No. 1 appeal to voters: the claim that he knows far more than President Barack Obama about creating jobs.
Romney's takeover-and-restructuring firm "apparently looted the companies, left people unemployed and walked off with millions of dollars," former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said on NBC's "Today" show. A group friendly to Gingrich is preparing to air TV ads of laid-off workers denouncing Romney.
Texas Gov. Rick Perry joined in. He cited South Carolina companies that Bain bought and downsized, and he practically dared Romney to ask for voters' support there in the name of easing economic pain. "He caused it," Perry said in Anderson, S.C.
Romney points to thousands of jobs created at companies that Bain bought, invested in or restructured. But he struck a discordant note Monday, just as attention to the Bain jobs history was spiking.
Speaking of insurance options before a New Hampshire audience, Romney said, "I like being able to fire people who provide services to me."
He remained favored to win Tuesday's New Hampshire primary. But his rivals might improve their hopes of halting his momentum in South Carolina's Jan. 21 primary if they can persuade voters that his jobs legacy is not what he claims.
Thanks to millions of dollars from a Las Vegas casino owner who supports Gingrich, TV ads in South Carolina will try to do just that. Like many attack ads they are emotional, one-sided and not subtle. They show angry victims of layoffs from Bain-controlled companies, according to excerpts shown to reporters.
"We had to load up the U-Haul because we done lost our home," a woman says.
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So some dipshits think it's a bad idea to reallocate scare resources from failing firms to successful ones. I guess that lets you know who not to vote for.
Regardless, this is political profiteering at its worst - by the left-wing media and some of Mitt's competitors. Happy? ::)
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IMO, Mitt needs to present a forceful defense of his actions at Bain Capital - explain how they helped the economy and then explain how he'll translate his experience of gutting weak projects while at Bain to the federal government.
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I watched the video.
Anyone that disagrees with firing people that provide a shitty service is a damn communist.
Hell, I'm from England, a socialist country and I see nothing wrong with it.
This will backfire on the people attacking him over this.
What is more American than being able to choose who provides you with a service? No more freedom of choice?
This is retarded.
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Question: "What is, shit you don't say the day before the New Hampshire primary."
I fail to see a problem with this. Rob, have you gone so far left you can't think straight like most libs?
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I fail to see a problem with this. Rob, have you gone so far left you can't think straight like most libs?
He is in full kneepad mode.
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I watched the video here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/romney-sees-need-to-be-able-to-fire-service-providers/2012/01/09/gIQAF18alP_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/romney-sees-need-to-be-able-to-fire-service-providers/2012/01/09/gIQAF18alP_blog.html)
This is only a "gaffe" because the left-wing media takes something out of context and turns it into a gaffe.
Well Jon Huntsman and Newt Gingrich are the ones that are taking it out of context because they are using it in attack ads now
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IMO, Mitt needs to present a forceful defense of his actions at Bain Capital - explain how they helped the economy and then explain how he'll translate his experience of gutting weak projects while at Bain to the federal government.
I get a kick out of people who, on one hand, claim to be pro-capitalism and then on the other claim to have a problem with PE, arguably one of the purest examples of capitalism.
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I get a kick out of people who, on one hand, claim to be pro-capitalism and then on the other claim to have a problem with PE, arguably one of the purest examples of capitalism.
240 is like a parrot of MSNBC
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240 is like a parrot of MSNBC
I'm pretty sure he secretly wishes for Rachel Maddow to bottom him out with a strap-on.
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I'm pretty sure he secretly wishes for Rachel Maddow to bottom him out with a strap-on.
Its down right embrassing at this point.
He claims to be a libertarian yet disagrees with RP on 90% of issues.
He claims he will vote A B O but have never once started a thread attacking Obama on anything and parrots every MSNBC talking point about every single repub running for office.
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newt went on morning joe today and criticized mitt for it.
said it's just another example of mitt being loose with his words, and how obama will expolit that in the debates.
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newt went on morning joe today and criticized mitt for it.
said it's just another example of mitt being loose with his words, and how obama will expolit that in the debates.
Who gives a fuck what newt said? He is trying to get back on top, of course he is going to try to jump on this.
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I fail to see a problem with this. Rob, have you gone so far left you can't think straight like most libs?
I think any frontrunner, in a bad economy, would NEVER use the phrase "FIRE PEOPLE" under any circunstances. Dumb move.
And it's not "the far left" that has a problem with it. Newt and Huntsmann have problems with him saying it.
I know it's more fun to say "rachel maddow sucks", but these GOPers are pissed about him saying it, and they're interviewing GOP primary voters in NH who were fired, who don't like it.
It's funny - When Mitt had illegals doing his landscaping, he was powerless to stop the company from doing that. He had no control oevr it. Now he's the guy with all the power who LIKES FIRING ***PEOPLE***.
It was just a stupid thing to say. Like newt said, when Mitt says things like this, obama is going to wreck him for it.
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Who gives a fuck what newt said? He is trying to get back on top, of course he is going to try to jump on this.
Well, we can no longer just say "Only the left cares about this!"
That has changed now, 33.
now it is
1) the left
2) the media
3) Obama & white house
4) Some of the other GOP candidates
5) Some NH voters
At some point, it will tip to the MAJORITY of people disagreeing with Mitt's statement.
Bottom line - it was a dumb thing to say.
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I think any frontrunner, in a bad economy, would NEVER use the phrase "FIRE PEOPLE" under any circunstances. Dumb move.
And it's not "the far left" that has a problem with it. Newt and Huntsmann have problems with him saying it.
I know it's more fun to say "rachel maddow sucks", but these GOPers are pissed about him saying it, and they're interviewing GOP primary voters in NH who were fired, who don't like it.
It's funny - When Mitt had illegals doing his landscaping, he was powerless to stop the company from doing that. He had no control oevr it. Now he's the guy with all the power who LIKES FIRING ***PEOPLE***.
It was just a stupid thing to say. Like newt said, when Mitt says things like this, obama is going to wreck him for it.
Oh please. Stop being such a "concern troll" Jesus dude - you are so far gone.
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Well, we can no longer just say "Only the left cares about this!"
That has changed now, 33.
now it is
1) the left
2) the media
3) Obama & white house
4) Some of the other GOP candidates
5) Some NH voters
At some point, it will tip to the MAJORITY of people disagreeing with Mitt's statement.
Bottom line - it was a dumb thing to say.
::) ::)
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We need another Andrew Mellon figure -
"liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate farmers, liquidate real estate… it will purge the rottenness out of the system. High costs of living and high living will come down. People will work harder, live a more moral life. Values will be adjusted, and enterprising people will pick up from less competent people."
If Mitt can adopt this hardline capitalist stance, then expect to see him in the White House and then turning around this economy with the most robust growth yet this century.
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Oh good grief. ::) No, you should never fire someone who doesn't perform. How terrible. What an awful thing to say. lol
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Oh good grief. ::) No, you should never fire someone who doesn't perform. How terrible. What an awful thing to say. lol
240 supports RP saying people should die without health care insurance but attacks Myth on this.
got it yet?
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Ron Paul said today that he supports Romney's work at Bain and that people criticizing him don't understand how markets work.
Congrats 240, not only is this another viewpoint of Paul's that you disagree with but you also don't understand economics. :)
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Ron Paul said today that he supports Romney's work at Bain and that people criticizing him don't understand how markets work.
Congrats 240, not only is this another viewpoint of Paul's that you disagree with but you also don't understand economics. :)
Funny how someones gets through an MBA program and does not understand this.
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Ron Paul Defends Romney, Lashes Out at His Critics
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/abc-exclusive-ron-paul-defends-romney-lashes-out-at-his-critics
In an exclusive interview outside a Manchester polling place, Ron Paul lashed out at fellow Republicans for making unfair and ignorant attacks on Mitt Romney’s business record.
“I think they’re wrong. I think they’re totally misunderstanding the way the market works,” Paul told me. “They are either just demogoging or they don’t have the vaguest idea how the market works.”
Paul also came to Romney’s defense for saying “I like to be able to fire people.”
“I think they’re unfairly attacking him on that issue because he never really literally said that,” Paul said. “They’ve taken him way out of context. … He wants to fire companies.”
In Paul’s view, Romney is right to say that he created jobs by restructuring companies.
” I think they’re way overboard on saying that he wants to fire people, he doesn’t care, Paul said. “You save companies, you save jobs when you reorganize companies that are going to go bankrupt. And they don’t understand that.”
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/abc-exclusive-ron-paul-defends-romney-lashes-out-at-his-critics
ddddddddddddddoooooooooo ooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhh! ! ! ! ! ! !
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........unreal. Good job 240...shill for the douchbag left.
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........unreal. Good job 240...shill for the douchbag left.
240 takes whatever Mika B says at 6:15 am and just repeats it.
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240: defending the ppl/businesses that dont perform adequately from being fired.
for some reason i am not surprised by this.
I dont think there is anything wrong with saying this at anytime.
If youre not performing adequately right now in this economic time where jobs are hard to come by what is your performance going to be like in better times?
LOL Im guessing you dont have anybody working for you...
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B U M P
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"I prefer keeping unqualified people on my payroll and becoming less and less efficient over time." Is that better?
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"I prefer keeping unqualified people on my payroll and becoming less and less efficient over time." Is that better?
IMO, something like "Firing people is unfortunate, but a necessary part of business..." would sound MUCH better than "I LIKE firing PEOPLE".
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LOL!
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Perry donor defects to Romney, citing Bain attacks
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CNN Political Reporter Peter Hamby
Columbia, South Carolina (CNN) – One of Rick Perry's leading financial supporters in South Carolina is defecting to Mitt Romney – and he told CNN Thursday that Perry's sharp criticisms of Romney as a "vulture capitalist" were the main factor in his decision.
Both Perry and Newt Gingrich recently began hammering Romney as a predatory capitalist who looted companies and fired workers when he was running the private equity firm Bain Capital in the 1980s and 1990s.
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Barry Wynn, the former chairman of the South Carolina Republican Party and a financial adviser in Spartanburg, said the escalating rhetoric about Romney's business background is "destructive."
"It's just a dance I didn't want to be a part of," Wynn said in an interview, explaining his decision to leave Perry's campaign.
Wynn, along with a handful of other previously neutral South Carolina moneymen, will publicly endorse Romney on Thursday.
"This latest attack, it's so foreign to me, I couldn't see myself being a part of that," he explained. "I don't think you can be on both sides of free market capitalism. A big part of me being a Republican for the last 40 years is that I think it's the best hope to protect free market capitalism, the growth engine of our economy."
Wynn was part of a group of Republican bundlers who traveled to Texas last August to meet with Perry before he launched his presidential bid.
But he said the Texas governor's latest message is contrary to "everything that Republicans have been struggling for."
"It's hard enough to make that case for capitalism, and to have people in our own party attacking the case, it's not good for the party or good for the country," he said. "It kind of falls into this politics of envy that the Obama campaign is going to be all about between now and November."
Romney met with Wynn on Thursday morning after his event in Greer.
Wynn said he has always admired the former Massachusetts governor's business background.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/12/perry-donor-defects-to-romney-citing-bain-attacks/
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Some Republicans Rally Around Romney After Hits on Bain
Thursday, 12 Jan 2012
GREER, S.C. — An array of Republicans and conservatives, including some of Mitt Romney's sharpest critics, rushed to the GOP presidential front-runner's defense Thursday to counter efforts to paint the former venture capitalist as a job-killer.
Under fire, Romney rivals Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry seemed to temper direct attacks on Romney's tenure at the helm of Bain Capital.
Although Gingrich said "I'm not going to back down" during a campaign stop in Columbia on Thursday, the former House speaker made no mention of Romney, nor did he repeat his criticism of Romney's record as a venture capitalist.
Gingrich also said his calls to audit the 2008 federal banking bailout had "rattled a number of so-called conservatives."
"When you have crony capitalism and politicians taking care of their friends, that's not free enterprise, that's back-door socialism," said Gingrich, who is airing a TV ad describing Romney's economic plans as timid.
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce weighed in on Thursday.
"We're disappointed" with the line of criticism, said Chamber head Thomas Donohue. The business group doesn't endorse in presidential campaigns, but Donohue said: "We think Romney has had a pretty good track record. Perfect? Hell no, but damn good."
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who ran against Romney four years ago, wrote in an online letter: "It's surprising to see so many Republicans embrace that left-wing argument against capitalism."
And another 2008 foe, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, told Fox News: "I'm shocked at what they are doing. I'm going to say it's ignorant. Dumb. It's building something we should be fighting — ignorance of the American economic system."
Romney's new defenders — many of whom have long histories of disagreeing with the former Massachusetts governor — argued that the attacks on his business record undermined the GOP's identity and weakened the party's chief argument against Democratic President Barack Obama, that federal intrusion has stymied the economy's recovery.
Although the latest comments were more a rejection of attacks on Romney's record at Bain than an endorsement of Romney as a candidate, they signaled a warming toward Romney by a cross-section of the GOP as his party struggles to settle on a more conservative alternative.
A prominent fundraiser in South Carolina, Barry Wynn, shifted his support from Texas Gov. Perry to Romney in light of those attacks, which he said had crossed the line in a political party that values free-market capitalism.
"I've been fighting for this cause most of my life," Wynn said. "It's like fingernails on the chalkboard. It just kind of irritated you to hear those kind of attacks."
The controversy over Romney's Bain tenure began last weekend when Gingrich, seeking a rebound for his candidacy if not revenge for attack ads that crippled his campaign in Iowa, sought to undercut the central rationale of his chief rival's candidacy — that Romney's business background made him the strongest Republican to take on Obama.
Perry, whose campaign also is in trouble, joined in.
Both are accusing Romney of being a fat-cat venture capitalist during his days running Bain, laying off workers as he restructured companies and filled his own pockets.
But the criticism of both Gingrich and Perry has been swift, with opponents Rick Santorum and Ron Paul refusing to attack Romney's time at Bain, and others fearful about bloodying the Republican most likely to become the party's nominee.
"If you believe what the Obama administration is doing is a direct assault on the private sector and as Republicans we believe that's the wrong approach, you can't turn around and say what is going on in the private sector is wrong," said Jim Dyke, a GOP strategist in South Carolina who is uncommitted to a candidate in the Jan. 21 primary.
Earlier in the week, conservative radio commentator Rush Limbaugh, often a Romney critic, called Gingrich's comments "out of bounds for those who value the free market." Club for Growth President Chris Chocola labeled the attacks "disgusting." And South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint, who endorsed Romney in 2008 but is unaligned this year, suggested that Romney critics don't understand "the principles of our party."
"To have a few Republicans in this race beginning to talk about how bad it is to fire people . . . it really gives the Democrats a lot of fodder," DeMint, arguably South Carolina's most popular Republican, told conservative radio host Laura Ingraham.
Although presidential contender Jon Huntsman had criticized Romney for a comment he made about firing people, Huntsman said on Wednesday: "If you have creative destruction in capitalism, which has always been part of capitalism, it becomes a little disingenuous to take on Bain Capital."
An outside group supporting Gingrich — called Winning Our Future — pressed ahead with plans to launch an advertising attack on Romney's time at Bain, complete with a bruising ad and longer-form video in South Carolina assailing Romney as a vicious corporate raider.
Perry, who had likened companies like Bain to vultures, avoided attacking Romney for his role at Bain during two stops in South Carolina on Thursday.
Yet, he jabbed at the issue indirectly during an interview with Fox News.
"The idea that you've got private equity companies that come in and take companies apart so they can make profits and have people lose their jobs, that's not what the Republican Party's about," Perry said.
Romney, for his part, has tried in recent days to explain the private equity business. He told reporters in Greer as the day began that in the private sector, some businesses grow and thrive while others have to be cut back in order to survive and become stronger.
"Sometimes you're successful at that and sometimes you're not," Romney said.
Meanwhile, his team was working behind the scenes to blunt the force of the criticism, distributing talking points to surrogates warning against attacking the free-market economy.
On Wednesday night, South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley chided Gingrich and Perry indirectly in introducing Romney, whom she has endorsed, during a campaign event in Columbia.
"We have a real problem when we have Republicans talking like dang Democrats against the free market," Haley said. "We believe in free markets."
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Romney-Republicans-Gingrich-Bain/2012/01/12/id/424027
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repubs realize romney will probably win it. they want to be 'in his camp' now.
this perry/newt attack on bain is their chance.