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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/01/ex-mississippi-gov-haley-barbours-pardons-cause-families-to-fear-revenge/
They are reeling in Mississippi and the pardon no one can forgive is David Gatlin.
Gatlin shot his wife dead with their son in her arms and walked out of jail a free man last week, the beneficiary of one of about 200 pardons or early releases granted by former Gov. Haley Barbour during his last days in office.
Gatlin was freed before the courts could step in and halt the release, and tonight no one knows where he is.
His wife’s sister worried he’ll come back to the family to finish the deed. She said Barbour is a coward for freeing these men and then disappearing.
It’s now clear that Gatlin and three other convicted murderers were given a get- out-of-jail free card because they worked in the governor’s kitchen and washed his cars.
Lawmakers are now looking for ways to limit the power of the pardon and, at the same time, block those four pardons and nearly 200 others.
“The public doesn’t get it. I don’t get it either,” said attorney Mark Mayfield. “Haley has done a lot of great things, but I’m afraid that in the large measure this will tarnish his image as he goes forward.”
Barbour, an outspoken tough-on-crime crusader, never has been afraid to speak his mind — until now.
ABC News went looking for the former governor at his new law firm, trying to get an answer for the frightened families crying for a reasonable explanation. Instead we were shown the door.
In a brief written statement Wednesday night, Barbour said “about 90 percent of these individuals were no longer in custody, and a majority of them had been out for years.”
But that was not the case for the murderers who worked at the governor’s mansion. They had been sentenced to life.
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Very odd and bizarre. Something is definately wrong here.
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http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-12/justice/justice_mississippi-pardons_1_pardons-and-clemencies-inmates-mississippi-department?_s=PM:JUSTICE
Attorney general: Mississippi may order nationwide manhunt
Mississippi's attorney general said Thursday that the state may have to issue a nationwide manhunt after four pardoned murderers left jail and "hit the road running.""We'll catch 'em. It's just a matter of time," Attorney General Jim Hood told CNN.
The four were among nearly 200 convicted criminals to whom Gov. Haley Barbour granted clemency or a pardon in a final act before leaving office this week.
The governor's actions have set off a legal firestorm in Mississippi.
A judge issued a temporary injunction Wednesday forbidding the release of any more prisoners. And the process of releasing 21 other inmates has been halted, said Hood, who believes the former governor put people at risk and sought the court order.
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Very odd and bizarre. Something is definately wrong here.
it's seems insane that Barbour would release 4 convicted murders who were serving life sentences, especially given that Barbour was so concerned about the sanctity of life that he was in favor of a personhood ammendment
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it's seems insane that Barbour would release 4 convicted murders who were serving life sentences, especially given that Barbour was so concerned about the sanctity of life that he was in favor of a personhood ammendment
I agree - this seems totally nuts. Maybe his family was threatened?
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I agree - this seems totally nuts. Maybe his family was threatened?
or maybe since these guys worked at the governors mansion maybe they had some dirt of Boss Hogg
either that or Barbour is just batshit crazy
I don't see how anyone in their right mind could do such a thing
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or maybe since these guys worked at the governors mansion maybe they had some dirt of Boss Hogg
either that or Barbour is just batshit crazy
I don't see how anyone in their right mind could do such a thing
Something is definately wierd here. persnally - I think his family was threatened.
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Something is definately wierd here. persnally - I think his family was threatened.
how in the world are you jumping to that conclusion?
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or maybe since these guys worked at the governors mansion maybe they had some dirt of Boss Hogg
that's the ONLY thing that made sense here.
They knew about the daily BJs he was getting from some hottie working on staff or something. They told him "We're going public unless..."
Wouldn't surprise me. Threats of violence, no, that doesn't make sense. But blackmail? Maybe.
Most likely, he's probably just soft on them, swallowed their bullshit lines, and just said fck it, on his last day in office. Senseless.
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how in the world are you jumping to that conclusion?
Because the draconian nature of his actions had to come in response to an equal threat or something of that nature.
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Because the draconian nature of his actions had to come in response to an equal threat or something of that nature.
we all love a good CT. But it was probably just him getting suckered by a sob story by someone who had become his friend.
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I think the likely answer is that Barbour is a fucking idiot
more from tjhe CNN article linked above
The pardons include the four convicted murderers and a convicted armed robber who were released Sunday. The five now must contact prison officials on a daily basis as their fate is adjudicated, but their whereabouts are unknown, Hood said.
A court hearing on the matter will be held January 23.
Hood said the state cannot issue an arrest warrant for the five who were released because they have not committed a crime.
"We have not found any law that will support that," Hood told CNN. "They have a legal document saying they are free to go.
"There are some tough legal issues we are trying to address," he said. "This is such a unique problem that no law has ever had to address yet. We're having to make new law here."
Hood said he did not know Barbour's reasons for the pardons and clemencies, but said he owed the public an explanation.
He gave the governor a tongue-lashing, comparing him to the unethical, greedy commissioner in the 1980s television series "The Dukes of Hazzard."
"He's tried to rule the state like Boss Hogg and he didn't think the law applied to him," Hood told CNN Wednesday.
Hood said Barbour violated the state's constitution because the pardon requests for many inmates were not published 30 days before they were granted, as required.
Mississippi is one of the few states that requires advance notice.
"This isn't a partisan issue," according to Hood, who is a Democrat. "Either you followed the constitution or you didn't."
Barbour is a conservative Republican.
What's behind the pardon battle?
Hinds County Circuit Court Judge Tomie Green issued the injunction Wednesday, saying it appeared some pardons, including those for four murderers, did not meet the 30-day requirement. Any inmates released in the future must meet the standard, Green ruled.
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Because the draconian nature of his actions had to come in response to an equal threat or something of that nature.
dude
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we all love a good CT. But it was probably just him getting suckered by a sob story by someone who had become his friend.
Yes, but it wasnt only one criminal, it was many. This is not funny at all.
If he were threatened with harm to him or his family, he needs to come clean as these murderers are now on the loose.
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Yes, but it wasnt only one criminal, it was many. This is not funny at all.
If he were threatened with harm to him or his family, he needs to come clean as these murderers are now on the loose.
I'll bet you a dollar there is no reason for this other than Barbour being an idiot
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dude
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no one does this unless prompted by something, whether it be money or threats.
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I'll bet you a dollar there is no reason for this other than Barbour being an idiot
Whatever it is, he needs to be questioned. it would be one thing if the lawyers for these inamtes presented evidence if their innocence, but unilateraly with no explanation, etc? GMAFB.
Something stinks here big time.
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no one does this unless prompted by something, whether it be money or threats.
how the heck you can jump to that conclusion
you have zero evidence except your own preconceived notion
He was going out office due to term limits and He pardoned 200 people and didn't give the proper advance notice
My guess is that he's just an idiot who was oblivious to the consequences of his actions..... or was aware of them and just didn't give a shit
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I don't see how they're gonna block these pardons. It's within his rights, as batshit crazy as it is, and when I read their constitution on pardons, I took it to mean that the public notice only applied in cases of treason.
I think it's gonna get messy.
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I don't see how they're gonna block these pardons. It's within his rights, as batshit crazy as it is, and when I read their constitution on pardons, I took it to mean that the public notice only applied in cases of treason.
I think it's gonna get messy.
yeah, that judge can make a name for himself by stopping them to make sure all is good with them...
but there's no real legal challenge, outside of the 30 day timing thing.
the governor can issue one at any time for anyone, right? He violatd some state rule, but outside of a powerless reprimand on a man that's out of office, I'm not so sure they'll be back behind bars.
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I don't see how they're gonna block these pardons. It's within his rights, as batshit crazy as it is, and when I read their constitution on pardons, I took it to mean that the public notice only applied in cases of treason.
I think it's gonna get messy.
even messier if any of these guys kill again
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jesus, the corruption at all levels of government... Its like they just dont give a damn if we find out anymore.
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how the heck you can jump to that conclusion
you have zero evidence except your own preconceived notion
He was going out office due to term limits and He pardoned 200 people and didn't give the proper advance notice
My guess is that he's just an idiot who was oblivious to the consequences of his actions..... or was aware of them and just didn't give a shit
Well how did these names and cases come to his desk?
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Something is definately wierd here. persnally - I think his family was threatened.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ex-mississippi-gov-haley-barbour-says-hes-very-comfortable-with-end-of-term-pardons/2012/01/13/gIQACv6twP_story.html
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Not nearly as bad as some of the headlines made it out to be:
"Let's get the facts straight. Of the 215 who received clemency, 189 were not let out of jail. They were already out of jail," Barbour told the AP
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/13/barbour-defends-controversial-pardons-as-based-on-christian-belief-in/#ixzz1jSaZ8rIi
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Not nearly as bad as some of the headlines made it out to be:
"Let's get the facts straight. Of the 215 who received clemency, 189 were not let out of jail. They were already out of jail," Barbour told the AP
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/13/barbour-defends-controversial-pardons-as-based-on-christian-belief-in/#ixzz1jSaZ8rIi
no one is making an issue of the people who had alreayd been released from jail and/or recommended for parole
he still freed 4 convicted murderers serving life sentences on of whom shot his wife as she was holding their child
so much for the sanctity of life
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correct - but - those 189 can now vote for obama or purchase weapons or do a lot of other things that ex-felons cannot.
as for the 36 stone cold killers, rapists, and haters that he let out of the pen, well, they promised to be good from now on!
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Barbour defends controversial pardons as based on the Christian belief in forgiveness
Published January 13, 2012
FoxNews.com
Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour said Friday he's "very comfortable" with his decision to grant pardons or other clemency to more than 200 people, including convicted killers, in his last days in office, telling Fox News that Mississippi is predominantly Christian and believes in forgiveness.
Barbour said Friday during his first interviews on the pardons that nearly 190 of the people who got pardons or other reprieves had already been released from prison before his actions. Only 10, he said, have been or will be fully released from prison.
The pardons have set off outrage among some victims' families and prompted a judge to block the release of some of the pardoned inmates out of concern that proper notification rules were not followed.
Barbour told Fox News that any problem with paperwork was an accident on the part of corrections officials, who needed to send the notices out earlier to get them published in newspapers on time. But he defended the pardons.
"I understand and recognize that these families and had love ones who were the victims of terrible crimes ... and I sympathize with the fact that this hurts them, that they lost somebody like that and that they're not going to forget it and they want vengance," Barbour said on Fox News' "Special Report."
"But what the state does and has done ... most people in Mississippi are Christians or profess to be Christians, and we believe in forgiveness and we believe in second chances," he said.
Barbour told the Associated Press in an earlier interview that it's a tradition in Mississippi for governors to free the trusties who worked at the Governor's Mansion. Four inmates freed this past weekend are convicted killers who worked as trusties.
And the former governor said he's not concerned that the freed trusties might harm anyone. "I have absolute confidence, so much confidence, that I'd let my grandchildren play with these five men," the Republican said.
He said he regretted he did not more quickly explain that most of the people who received clemency were already out of prison and some had been for years.
"Let's get the facts straight. Of the 215 who received clemency, 189 were not let out of jail. They were already out of jail," Barbour told the AP.
Barbour said he didn't anticipate the pardons would become centered on politics, though he expected some backlash.
"What I didn't think was that politicians would go out and tell the public we let 200 people out of the penitentiary. I didn't anticipate this would be all about politics," said Barbour, who left office earlier this week.
Attorney General Jim Hood, the only Democrat remaining in statewide elected office in Mississippi, denounced Barbour's actions as "shameful" and possibly unconstitutional. Hood went to court Wednesday to seek a halt to the releases, saying his investigation showed some of the inmates hadn't completed a constitutionally required notification to the public in areas where their crimes were committed.
Hinds County Circuit Judge Tomie Green ordered that the release of 21 inmates be put on hold until it could be determined they met the requirements.
Authorities say three former Governor's Mansion trusties who were pardoned in Haley Barbour's final days as governor have called to check in with the Mississippi Department of Corrections.
Corrections spokeswoman Suzanne Singletary said convicted killers Anthony McCray and Charles Hooker, as well as convicted robber Nathan Kern, called corrections officials Friday.
Corrections officials have not yet heard from David Gatlin and Joseph Ozment, both convicted killers.
On Friday, Barbour said some of the same Mississippi politicians who attacked him had also asked him to pardon people.
He charged that Hood didn't object when Barbour's predecessor, Democrat Ronnie Musgrove, released convicted killers who worked at the Governor's Mansion.
Barbour said his father died when he was 2 years old. And when his grandfather, a judge, became disabled, an inmate was assigned to help him.
"I watched the power of a second chance and what it did for Leon Turner," he said.
Barbour often evoked his Christian faith as he talked with reporters at the Jackson-area law office where he now works.
"You do not want to take away hope and the opportunity for a second chance, particularly when you see what our religion says," he said.
Barbour said the corrections department picks inmates who work at the Governor's Mansion. Typically, they are men who committed crimes of passion.
Corrections officials assign them, he said, because they are not likely to commit another violent crime and make good workers.
Barbour, 64, is a former Republican National Committee chairman. He considered seeking the GOP nomination for president but decided in April 2011 that he would not do so.
He is now on the paid speakers' circuit and works for the law firm and for BGR, the Washington lobbying firm he founded two decades ago.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/13/barbour-defends-controversial-pardons-as-based-on-christian-belief-in/?test=latestnews
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it's seems insane that Barbour would release 4 convicted murders who were serving life sentences, especially given that Barbour was so concerned about the sanctity of life that he was in favor of a personhood ammendment
b/c if he was for the abortion then it would make perfect sense, right?
moron...::)
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b/c if he was for the abortion then it would make perfect sense, right?
moron...::)
ass backward as usual idiot
if he actually cared about the sanctity of life then he wouldn't release convicted murders serving life sentences
either he cares about the sanctity of life or he doesn't
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Because the draconian nature of his actions had to come in response to an equal threat or something of that nature.
it's just because there are some really dumb people in the world
nothing more complicated than that
some people are fucking dumb
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Former Gov. Barbour: Opponents Misrepresented Pardons
Sunday, 22 Jan 2012
WASHINGTON — Former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour blames political opponents for much of the uproar set off after he pardoned more than 200 criminals.
State leaders often issue pardons in their waning days in office, but the number of pardons the Republican governor issued on Jan. 10 was unusually high. Those pardoned included murderers and the move set off a firestorm of criticism with Barbour's successor, Phil Bryant, proposing changes in the pardon process and a judge blocking release of pardoned prisoners.
During an appearance on "Face the Nation" program on CBS today, Barbour said his pardons had been misrepresented.
"Sure, we could have done it better because we had no idea that the reporting of it, in particular some of the misstatements by political opponents, would let the public think we'd let some 200 people out of the penitentiary," he said. "We had 26 people out of the penitentiary . . . half of them for health reasons.
"Most of them had been out for years and years and years. They're no more a threat to the people of Mississippi now than they were the week before they got their pardon."
Attorney General Jim Hood, the only Democrat in a statewide office in Mississippi, has filed a complaint alleging that 156 of the pardons were unconstitutional because not enough public notice was given. A state judge has scheduled a hearing for Monday.
Barbour cited Hood in the controversy over the pardons.
"It is becoming public now that the attorney general's office was very involved in this," he said.
The pardons also have come under scrutiny on racial grounds. About two-thirds of the pardons went to white prisoners while two-thirds of Mississippi's prison population is black.
http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Barbour-Mississippi-pardons/2012/01/22/id/425047