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Of course they'd disappear on stage with today's BBs....but....were they natural? Just heavy lifting and meat and potatoes?
What steroids, if any, existed back then? What did they use???? I'm curious, because I really don't see builds like these anymore (unless its just the hairstyles and clothing that is throwing me off). Whatever it was, it couldn't have been that bad, as most of these bodybuilders weren't dropping dead like flies and living well into their golden years.
(http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/site/wp-content/uploads/GM_Scott-Ortiz2_IMG0005ttt.jpg)
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They were using dbol.
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They were using dbol.
X2
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They were using dbol.
That's it??? Christ, I just got some but haven't used it yet.....I'm reading I need all this different stuff to go with it which is why I'm holding out.
If it's just dbol, it's time to take 'em.
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Anyone who was top tier after WWII and certainly in the 50's and 60's, was probably on steroids, ranging from a few Dianabol a day to a decent amount of stuff.
Dianabol, Test, Anadrol, Anavar, etc...... was all available by then. The only things really new in the 40+ years are the high dosing protocols, HGH, and insulin.
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and synthol :D
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If you are a average gym rat you can get pretty buff off just dianabol tabs,you could also add your test, but that is all you need to look buff on the street, if you are not trying to enter competitions then you do not need to get into the tren gh insulin.
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If you are a average gym rat you can get pretty buff off just dianabol tabs,you could also add your test, but that is all you need to look buff on the street, if you are not trying to enter competitions then you do not need to get into the tren gh insulin.
^THIS^
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I might add that theseguys had the original D-Bol which was awesome shit made by CIBA Labs....one 5mg. pill was more potent than a bunch of that pink Thai bullshit.
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Dianabol was introduced to the weightlifting community around 1960.
This is a good thread if you're truly interested in what some of the more famous York guys were taking back then; Bill March even discusses dosages in his interview: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=278907.0
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to put it into perspective there are some trainers/trainees here that are on cycles to choke a horse and still do not look like those two gentlemen pictured,so to think that they are on less/nothing then i have a bridge to sell you.as wes said they had acess to primo grade.
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to put it into perspective there are some trainers/trainees here that are on cycles to choke a horse and still do not look like those two gentlemen pictured,so to think that they are on less/nothing then i have a bridge to sell you.as wes said they had acess to primo grade.
I`ve been saying this for eons,some guys here look amazing,others on stupidly ridiculous amounts look just decent or average at best.
Try telling me that genetics aren`t involved and I`ll just have to disagree with you.
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Dianabol was introduced to the weightlifting community around 1960.
This is a good thread if you're truly interested in what some of the more famous York guys were taking back then; Bill March even discusses dosages in his interview: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=278907.0
Good stuff Monty.....didn`t know that was posted on getbig.
Thanks bud! :)
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I`ve been saying this for eons,some guys here look amazing,others on stupidly ridiculous amounts look just decent or average at best.
Try telling me that genetics aren`t involved and I`ll just have to disagree with you.
oh absolutley wes ,,those 2 scott,ortiz were awesome genetically,trainers,and responders to what was given.today most kids or delusional lifters go by internet 1st then go to gym..
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oh absolutley wes ,,those 2 scott,ortiz were awesome genetically,trainers,and responders to what was given.today most kids or delusional lifters go by internet 1st then go to gym..
I agree bro,and like gh15 says,"build a foundation before you build a house".....or something like that! 8)
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Another shot of Ortiz from the 1960`s:
(http://static.blogstorage.hi-pi.com/photos/domvog51.sportblog.fr/images/mn/1207500540/Freddy-Ortiz-en-1967.jpg)
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Good stuff Monty.....didn`t know that was posted on getbig.
Thanks bud! :)
You bet!
Be sure to check out the article I posted featuring Bill March from 2005.
He discusses the arrangement Ziegler had with CIBA.
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You bet!
Be sure to check out the article I posted featuring Bill March from 2005.
He discusses the arrangement Ziegler had with CIBA.
I just read the article from the link you posted..is there another ?
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I just read the article from the link you posted..is there another ?
Damn, you're fast!
I honestly thought you scanned it until you saw Pumpster's name and abandoned the thread!
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Damn, you're fast!
I honestly thought you scanned it until you saw Pumpster's name and abandoned the thread!
LOL ;D
I`m generally pretty slow,but I`m from the old Evelyn Woods school of speed reading!! :)
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Another shot of Ortiz from the 1960`s:
(http://static.blogstorage.hi-pi.com/photos/domvog51.sportblog.fr/images/mn/1207500540/Freddy-Ortiz-en-1967.jpg)
Several guys from that time period have come clean about the anabolics, but Freddy Ortiz still dances around the question of his own drug use, like he did during an interview with David Robson a few years back.
Robson asked him twice, and Freddy never gave a direct answer either way.
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LOL ;D
I`m generally pretty slow,but I`m from the old Evelyn Woods school of speed reading!! :)
she made alot of money with that i bet,,,
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LOL ;D
I`m generally pretty slow,but I`m from the old Evelyn Woods school of speed reading!! :)
;D
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You can`t blame some of these guys,they`re old school but anyone with experience knows.
Look at a modern guy like Gustavo Badell who said he was all natural...........legal issues, and pretty smart if you ask me,but we all know differently.
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she made alot of money with that i bet,,,
Hell yeah,but she got zippo from me! :)
I survived Catholic school during the 1960`s, where if you didn`t read well,they beat it into you until you were super fast! ;D
I think those nuns back then were secretly the East German womens swim team....they were tough.
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Hell yeah,but she got zippo from me! :)
I survived Catholic school during the 1960`s, where if you didn`t read well,they beat it into you until you were super fast! ;D
I think those nuns back then were secretly the East German womens swim team....they were tough.
and sauced to the tits.....
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Several guys from that time period have come clean about the anabolics, but Freddy Ortiz still dances around the question of his own drug use, like he did during an interview with David Robson a few years back.
Robson asked him twice, and Freddy never gave a direct answer either way.
they havent came real clean hell larry scott he thought for a long time before going from 5mg to 10mg of dbol whats to think about it was legal then you got it from your doctor
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dumb thread.
of course they werent natural, but unlike todays bodybuilders they lifted weights solely because they enjoyed doing it, unlike today where most "professional bodybuilders" ( :D) would preferably bypass the entire training aspect of the lifestyle in order to succeed, simply because they dont wanna work a real job. Shits a joke nowadays.
For example, take Sergio Oliva off drugs for 3 months and im sure he'd still be big.
Take Phil Heathing off drugs for 3 months and hes back to his regular 150lb old self ;)
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I'd say Bill Pearl was probably the best of those dudes, and he was a vegetarian. The 72 Mr Universe, he was over 40 and jacked. I could live with looking like that.
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dumb thread.
of course they werent natural, but unlike todays bodybuilders they lifted weights solely because they enjoyed doing it, unlike today where most "professional bodybuilders" ( :D) would preferably bypass the entire training aspect of the lifestyle in order to succeed, simply because they dont wanna work a real job. Shits a joke nowadays.
For example, take Sergio Oliva off drugs for 3 months and im sure he'd still be big.
Take Phil Heathing off drugs for 3 months and hes back to his regular 150lb old self ;)
Great post,sad but true.
You gotta` have the passion or it means shit no matter how many contests you win.
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I'd say Bill Pearl was probably the best of those dudes, and he was a vegetarian. The 72 Mr Universe, he was over 40 and jacked. I could live with looking like that.
(http://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/fbbuploads/med_1261673181-bill___serg.jpg)
(http://www.criticalbench.com/images/billpearl4.jpg)
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Great post,sad but true.
You gotta` have the passion or it means shit no matter how many contests you win.
absolutely right wes, passion can't just be bought off a steroid dealer.. gotta create that shit yourself.
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absolutely right wes, passion can't just be bought off a steroid dealer.. gotta create that shit yourself.
I hear ya` bud,I still love to train hard,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it`s almost like a daily tonic and definately a big part of my life.
Of course I`m no Larry Scott,but then again,there can only be one. :)
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Bill Pearl is 80 something and he's still getting up at 4AM to train. Scott and Ortiz still workout too. How many of todays champs will be working out in 10 years.
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Bill Pearl is 80 something and he's still getting up at 4AM to train. Scott and Ortiz still workout too. How many of todays champs will be working out in 10 years.
Ortiz also has a son who looks to have inherited some of Freddy's better bb genes.
A few people had his pic up on here a while ago; it was a shot of him standing with his dad.
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back then they lifted weights
now they just lift.
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Bill Pearl is 80 something and he's still getting up at 4AM to train. Scott and Ortiz still workout too. How many of todays champs will be working out in 10 years.
NONE!!
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Ortiz also has a son who looks to have inherited some of Freddy's better bb genes.
A few people had his pic up on here a while ago; it was a shot of him standing with his dad.
Sergios son looks great also.
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Of course they'd disappear on stage with today's BBs....but....were they natural? Just heavy lifting and meat and potatoes?
What steroids, if any, existed back then? What did they use???? I'm curious, because I really don't see builds like these anymore(unless its just the hairstyles and clothing that is throwing me off). Whatever it was, it couldn't have been that bad, as most of these bodybuilders weren't dropping dead like flies and living well into their golden years.
(http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/site/wp-content/uploads/GM_Scott-Ortiz2_IMG0005ttt.jpg)
try actually lifting some heavy ass weight and take the least amount of gear possible, these guys looked like iron because they WERE iron.
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Sergios son looks great also.
Yeah, I was quite surprised the first time I saw pictures of him, I think at one of the expos.
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Kid placed well is some recent contests.
All this old school talk has got me thinking of reviving that other thread I started a while back..................sh it gets me fired up.
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Kid placed well is some recent contests.
All this old school talk has got me thinking of reviving that other thread I started a while back..................sh it gets me fired up.
You should; it's an excellent thread!
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Thanks...........dammit,I think I`ll bump it up in the AM. :)
I`m telling you,the old school stuff psyches me up far better than the new guys.........haven`t bought a muscle mag in eons.
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how did these guys take so much d bol and not ruin there liver???
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how did these guys take so much d bol and not ruin there liver???
Didn`t need to take as much as it was stronger per pill.
They took other stuff but I doubt if they took much more than D-Bol in the 60`s....who knows for sure though?
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Didn`t need to take as much as it was stronger per pill.
They took other stuff but I doubt if they took much more than D-Bol in the 60`s....who knows for sure though?
wish i could pop some d bol and look like that.
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The funny part is,most of these guys are still around and some still train even though they are old men by now.
Also,these guys trained their balls off with heavy basic movements,and ate big and were totally dedicated...no lazy half assed stuff would even be thought of like some of todays posers who train like pussies and do huge cycles.
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The funny part is,most of these guys are still around and some still train even though they are old men by now.
I also wonder how they got so ripped using mostly d bol and test.
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I also wonder how they got so ripped using mostly d bol and test.
Diet? I think there's an overemphasis on protein consumption. Also, the majority of food offered in supermarkets is complete junkfood. People are stuffing their bodies with garbage, especially if they're trying to take in 500+ g of protein a day(lol). I see a lot more big, muscular dudes with distended stomachs than I do fellas with large looking arms and slim torsos.
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I also wonder how they got so ripped using mostly d bol and test.
The diet was mostly,steak,ground beef,eggs,milk,cottage cheese,fruit,and veggies/salads,to build up.........when trimming down,they ate less food and hardly any carbs at all.
Some guys just ate meat and water which is like what a keto diet is today,so there is nothing new under the sun.
They also trained 2-3 hours at a time,6 days a week...........at times training each bodypart 3 X weekly.
This burns a ton of calories.
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I might add that theseguys had the original D-Bol which was awesome shit made by CIBA Labs....one 5mg. pill was more potent than a bunch of that pink Thai bullshit.
Truth. Same reason people now need 15 to 20 iu's of gh. Weak fake products.
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Decca, Anavar, Primo, .......
I'm making a few calls in an attempt to recall what and how much was taken back then.
I haven't read all of the above yet but a few comments offered by WES are just about 100% correct if my memory serves me right.
Back in them old days there were no secrets because everything was legal and everyone was experimenting and letting each other know what was working and what was not .... and the doctors had to research the PDR every time a bodybuilder had an appointment.
And the AMA claimed that steroids were only beneficial due to the placebo affect.
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I hear ya` bud,I still love to train hard,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it`s almost like a daily tonic and definately a big part of my life.
Of course I`m no Larry Scott,but then again,there can only be one. :)
You got it man.. keeps me from drinking so its like my trusty coping mechanism, and as an added bonus it keeps me clinically sane too.. and Scott did have great genetics, Arnold himself said he considered Larry to have 'perfect' arms, read that in his Encyclopedia I think.
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always hear the underdosed thing going around. Ya sure lots of labs do that or fake product. But there hae been may labs aswell that over dosed products too.. And companys or people like aabolics books william testing products and exposing the truth. And a good amount of labs do put in what's on the label.
there will be 10mg dbol tabs with 11 or 12mg dbol chemical in it. Yet there arnt a bunch of arnolds around poping this 10 or 20mg dbol.
lets face it. The article did say itself people were getting others scripts or forging names ad realized five gave more results so why not take more.
also honesty so much bullshit. The olympic teams having such huge prostates they had to use cathetors........ My shits real atleast my test I get blood test and you wouldn't believe how high it comes up. No doubt its real.
you know what. My prostates fine. No trouble peeing no symptoms on top of where I live free health care so always on top of things. And prostate exam super healthy all blood test psa super healthy. So really. Taking small amounts caused tonnes a whole olypic team ad so om to use cathetors........ Yea ok... More like the truth is they didn't know the long term side effects and there job was to train all day super hard and probably injected 1ml of test between sets everyday. That's why there prostates were bursting out of there grions.
we all here use grams of test and more lots of the guys here. And many don't use finasteride for prostate or saw palmetto cause of scared of missing gains from blocking androgens.... Yet everyone here seems to be pretty fucking healthy too. Guarantee just from reading all the obvious clues these guys were on more than todays pros. Only thing missing is the gh and slin is why they were smaller with prostaes size of basketballs.
fuck on ssb yrs ago there was old as fuck guys on there huge ones to. I remember the one old man said he crusies on fucking 100mg dbol a day... Crusies.... To keep gains tha blast the shit out of sbol and others.
tell me people where are the cathetors (sp?) lol.
brb I'm using 100mg test ad 10mg dbol gotta go force myself to pee.
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Test was identified long before, the germans started making and administering synthetic test in the early 30s, usa a little later, mid 30s
Ziegler recommended whatever dosages, the guys did the usual man-math of "if this works, I'll multiply it by 10" , ortiz was known for handfuls of dbol
I reckon the guys were on 100mg dbol minimum per day, and we're talking "then dbol", the real deal, not todays dbol.
Another can of worms, park, reeves, grimek had test (synthetic) available to use
I'm pretty sure because their ethics were so much stronger than todays bbers, they chose not to use that advantage.
Reeves mentions his knowledge of "juice" as a kid after few months of training and a guy at the gym asking if he was on. He said he thought it was oj or something, then found out it was steroids. If reeves had steroids around as a newbie, then they were around in the 30s for sure, but obviously because it was the holy reeves, and the blue collar grimek they wouldn't do it, even though it was legal , and not frowned upon, few knew of the existence, these moral rocks chose to take the high road...
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Test was identified long before, the germans started making and administering synthetic test in the early 30s, usa a little later, mid 30s
Ziegler recommended whatever dosages, the guys did the usual man-math of "if this works, I'll multiply it by 10" , ortiz was known for handfuls of dbol
I reckon the guys were on 100mg dbol minimum per day, and we're talking "then dbol", the real deal, not todays dbol.
Another can of worms, park, reeves, grimek had test (synthetic) available to use
I'm pretty sure because their ethics were so much stronger than todays bbers, they chose not to use that advantage.
Reeves mentions his knowledge of "juice" as a kid after few months of training and a guy at the gym asking if he was on. He said he thought it was oj or something, then found out it was steroids. If reeves had steroids around as a newbie, then they were around in the 30s for sure, but obviously because it was the holy reeves, and the blue collar grimek they wouldn't do it, even though it was legal , and not frowned upon, few knew of the existence, these moral rocks chose to take the high road...
i think this is a pretty accurate post, especially about them not being enticed towards the easy road.
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i think this is a pretty accurate post, especially about them not being enticed towards the easy road.
its pretty much been came clean what arnold used from a 70s wrestler he trained with who got all of his advice from arnold. And yes with out a doubt they where mega dosing. For that matter if it was that easy all them guys on anabolicminds poping superdrol non stop would be arnolds running around.
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for instance take tbombz and myself both fairly large to the general public but dont look near like arnold and company and we both have been athletes meaning we at least have decent genetics. We both use near a 1gm of gear a week and Im telling you, you just arent going to get much bigger then 6ft 230 10% on that dosing. Unless your a genetic freak or short and compact. Look around on here at everyone who claims a 1gram of gear usage that isn't someone that has motive to lie.On top of that 100mg of dbol a day will kick 1gm of test or decas ass around the block 2 or 3 times
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Test was identified long before, the germans started making and administering synthetic test in the early 30s, usa a little later, mid 30s
Ziegler recommended whatever dosages, the guys did the usual man-math of "if this works, I'll multiply it by 10" , ortiz was known for handfuls of dbol
I reckon the guys were on 100mg dbol minimum per day, and we're talking "then dbol", the real deal, not todays dbol.
Another can of worms, park, reeves, grimek had test (synthetic) available to use
I'm pretty sure because their ethics were so much stronger than todays bbers, they chose not to use that advantage.
Reeves mentions his knowledge of "juice" as a kid after few months of training and a guy at the gym asking if he was on. He said he thought it was oj or something, then found out it was steroids. If reeves had steroids around as a newbie, then they were around in the 30s for sure, but obviously because it was the holy reeves, and the blue collar grimek they wouldn't do it, even though it was legal , and not frowned upon, few knew of the existence, these moral rocks chose to take the high road...
Grimek won the Mr. America two years in a row. the second year he was 39 pounds heavier than the first year.
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Grimek won the Mr. America two years in a row. the second year he was 39 pounds heavier than the first year.
I was trying to use subtle sarcasm so the reeves and grimek, park fans that believe in the easter bunny wouldn't shit their pants. Maybe too subtle ;D
Of course they used, they all used
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I was trying to use subtle sarcasm so the reeves and grimek, park fans that believe in the easter bunny wouldn't shit their pants. Maybe too subtle ;D
Of course they used, they all used
That`s a given, if not,they would never have look like they did.
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Test was identified long before, the germans started making and administering synthetic test in the early 30s, usa a little later, mid 30s
Ziegler recommended whatever dosages, the guys did the usual man-math of "if this works, I'll multiply it by 10" , ortiz was known for handfuls of dbol
I reckon the guys were on 100mg dbol minimum per day, and we're talking "then dbol", the real deal, not todays dbol.
Another can of worms, park, reeves, grimek had test (synthetic) available to use
I'm pretty sure because their ethics were so much stronger than todays bbers, they chose not to use that advantage.
Reeves mentions his knowledge of "juice" as a kid after few months of training and a guy at the gym asking if he was on. He said he thought it was oj or something, then found out it was steroids. If reeves had steroids around as a newbie, then they were around in the 30s for sure, but obviously because it was the holy reeves, and the blue collar grimek they wouldn't do it, even though it was legal , and not frowned upon, few knew of the existence, these moral rocks chose to take the high road...
lol @ "moral rocks"
You are spot on Figo.
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lol @ "moral rocks"
You are spot on Figo.
Yes he is.......anyone that would believe otherwise would just be 'goolible' ! :)
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(http://www.ironmanmagazine.com/site/wp-content/uploads/GM_Scott-Ortiz2_IMG0005ttt.jpg)
they look diesel!
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they look diesel!
You'd look diesel too on the insane amount of shit these "moral rocks" were on.
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You'd look diesel too on the insane amount of shit these "moral rocks" were on.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But they only used small amounts, and back then 5mg of dianabol where 10000 times stronger than 5mg of dianabol today. ::) ::) ::)
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But they only used small amounts, and back then 5mg of dianabol where 10000 times stronger than 5mg of dianabol today. ::) ::) ::)
IT WAS GAWDAMMIT !!!
:'(
:D
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And they took desicated liver tablets with their whole milk...
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...and brewers yeast and protein pills!
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But they only used small amounts, and back then 5mg of dianabol where 10000 times stronger than 5mg of dianabol today. ::) ::) ::)
STFU!
Reeves was a greek god reincarnated. He was like an angel from heaven who would never take shitload of stuff, lie about it, take cock, lie about it, being obsessive compulsive, etc.
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IT WAS GAWDAMMIT !!!
:'(
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Yeah because the molecular structure of Dianabol is impossible to re-create.
All kangaroo meat, raw goat milk and sweet potatoes.
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Don`t be talking `bout Reeves now Willis!
(http://www.thewrap.com/files/u3568/Arnold_Diffrent_Strokes.jpg)
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STFU!
Reeves was a greek god reincarnated. He was like an angel from heaven who would never take shitload of stuff, lie about it, take cock, lie about it, being obsessive compulsive, etc.
True, only thing he'd have was some self-grown bee honey with raw goat milk PWO, and he had never heard of testosterone propionate, despite having been in the military and test being around since the 1930s.....
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True, only thing he'd have was some self-grown bee honey with raw goat milk PWO, and he had never heard of testosterone propionate, despite having been in the military and test being around since the 1930s.....
Correct............good post.
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Correct............good post.
;D
Reeves was natural, Arnold took one super-power dbol a day, Zane only half a tab because he was small and had a swimmer's physique. Serge Nubret was natural because he was black and had awesome genetics. Mentzer was big because of HIT, and he only took one dbol e3d.
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Let us not forget how old timers got all together at one meeting to discuss if they will up the dose from 5 to 10mg dbol daily. I shit you not this is the exact wording.
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for instance take tbombz and myself both fairly large to the general public but dont look near like arnold and company and we both have been athletes meaning we at least have decent genetics. We both use near a 1gm of gear a week and Im telling you, you just arent going to get much bigger then 6ft 230 10% on that dosing. Unless your a genetic freak or short and compact. Look around on here at everyone who claims a 1gram of gear usage that isn't someone that has motive to lie.On top of that 100mg of dbol a day will kick 1gm of test or decas ass around the block 2 or 3 times
Have you ever got ripped? If you haven't, diet it all off then you'll look much bigger, and have a better idea of how you compare.
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Let us not forget how old timers got all together at one meeting to discuss if they will up the dose from 5 to 10mg dbol daily. I shit you not this is the exact wording.
Pearl was the chairman
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Pearl was the chairman
I am sure they sealed off the agreement with a huge gay orgy
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Let us not forget how old timers got all together at one meeting to discuss if they will up the dose from 5 to 10mg dbol daily. I shit you not this is the exact wording.
Really happened,I was there bro.
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A lot of men on this forum are mad because they don't have good bodies. They try to explain this by whining about Reeves and Grimek must have been on drugs. Try learning how to lift weights and come back in a year. Pussies.
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Have you ever got ripped? If you haven't, diet it all off then you'll look much bigger, and have a better idea of how you compare.
^THIS^
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Reeves was natural, Arnold took one super-power dbol a day, Zane only half a tab because he was small and had a swimmer's physique. Serge Nubret was natural because he was black and had awesome genetics. Mentzer was big because of HIT, and he only took one dbol e3d.
Spot on post my brother! ;D
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Let us not forget how old timers got all together at one meeting to discuss if they will up the dose from 5 to 10mg dbol daily. I shit you not this is the exact wording.
Yeah because most were afraid to take more than one tablet. ::) ::) ::) ::)
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I was there,it`s all true!!
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I am a Vince Gironda gimmick! :)
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A lot of men on this forum are mad because they don't have good bodies. They try to explain this by whining about Reeves and Grimek must have been on drugs. Try learning how to lift weights and come back in a year. Pussies.
Reeves was amazing, shape and flow like no other , grimek was great too, and park , and I really like pearls build. One thing that they all had in common that made them stand out from the pussies, is their genes, and as you said work-ethic.
Otherwise everyone in their day wouldve looked like them, all things being equal.
Not trying to shoot down these beacons of the righteous path that they were.
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I am sure they sealed off the agreement with a huge gay orgy
gay hadn't been invented yet
Just some bachelors doing muscle control posing for each others manly enjoyment
Maybe finish off with some manly wrestling
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for instance take tbombz and myself both fairly large to the general public but dont look near like arnold and company and we both have been athletes meaning we at least have decent genetics. We both use near a 1gm of gear a week and Im telling you, you just arent going to get much bigger then 6ft 230 10% on that dosing. Unless your a genetic freak or short and compact. Look around on here at everyone who claims a 1gram of gear usage that isn't someone that has motive to lie.On top of that 100mg of dbol a day will kick 1gm of test or decas ass around the block 2 or 3 times
Dude, I'm not going all getbig on you or anything, but I am 6'3" 240, at about 15-18 percent body fat, and I ahven't juiced in 6 years. It isn't as hard as you would think, or maybe I'm talking out of my ass because I've never dieted down that much.
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Amazing how this guy kicks their ass, and is NATURAL! I guess protein powders & supplements made all the difference ;D
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/attachments/general-board/309d1264009258-skip-lacour-not-natural-skip-lacour-3.jpg)
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Amazing how this guy kicks their ass, and is NATURAL! I guess protein powders & supplements made all the difference ;D
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/attachments/general-board/309d1264009258-skip-lacour-not-natural-skip-lacour-3.jpg)
But that's skip
He doesn't even use sups, he drinks lard pre-contest, hardly trains. At times he fasts for a week in a bulking phase and gains 25lbs of muscle
Some say he can move weights with his mind...
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Amazing how this guy kicks their ass, and is NATURAL! I guess protein powders & supplements made all the difference ;D
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/attachments/general-board/309d1264009258-skip-lacour-not-natural-skip-lacour-3.jpg)
He is one of the biggest liars there is....I,m sure bein "natural" makes your jaw muscles grow to rival Tom Platz....unless skip just bites alot of pillow
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He is one of the biggest liars there is....I,m sure bein "natural" makes your jaw muscles grow to rival Tom Platz....unless skip just bites alot of pillow
Haha, Skip the pillow biter had to earn his GH money somehow :D
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gay hadn't been invented yet
Just some bachelors doing muscle control posing for each others manly enjoyment
Maybe finish each other off
fixed ;D
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fixed ;D
This does not fit into the weider lifestyle!
Or does it ???
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Amazing how this guy kicks their ass, and is NATURAL! I guess protein powders & supplements made all the difference ;D
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/attachments/general-board/309d1264009258-skip-lacour-not-natural-skip-lacour-3.jpg)
All canned tuna and sweet potato timming.
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Amazing how this guy kicks their ass, and is NATURAL! I guess protein powders & supplements made all the difference ;D
(http://muscleandbrawn.com/forums/attachments/general-board/309d1264009258-skip-lacour-not-natural-skip-lacour-3.jpg)
Last picture of him I saw he looked seriously small. I guess he was off cycle, I mean off whey protein.
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I think the old timers were bigger liars than today's ones with even bigger ego's. They made themselves believe they were special.
I also believe they abused the shit out of what was common back then
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for instance take tbombz and myself both fairly large to the general public but dont look near like arnold and company and we both have been athletes meaning we at least have decent genetics. We both use near a 1gm of gear a week and Im telling you, you just arent going to get much bigger then 6ft 230 10% on that dosing. Unless your a genetic freak or short and compact. Look around on here at everyone who claims a 1gram of gear usage that isn't someone that has motive to lie.On top of that 100mg of dbol a day will kick 1gm of test or decas ass around the block 2 or 3 times
Honestly to me that all depends on how long you've been training and how much natural muscle you've put on over the years. I still can't believe tbombz is using 1gm/w and thats all he gets out of it, something is def wrong there :-\
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A lot of men on this forum are mad because they don't have good bodies. They try to explain this by whining about Reeves and Grimek must have been on drugs. Try learning how to lift weights and come back in a year. Pussies.
agreed, alot of the people whining havent even been training that long I bet. and im not convinced the guys back then were desperate drug consuming egomaniacs like pros today.
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Look at the unwashed flotsam coming out from under their rocks to defame the good moral upstanding blokes that pioneered the way for the rest of us.
You should all be ashamed,but what can you expect from so many internet experts?
The morals of true iron men were far superior to the wannabes that populate the bodybuilding world today.
Why when Arnold and Reg Park stayed at my place in Sydney in 1978,I never saw either bloke do more that 5 seperate shots a day intermingled with 100`s of pills per hour.
They also trained long and hard and not like the sheilas we have today.............long and hard.
I once saw Ray Mentzer when he visited my gym in Queensland do a full set of HIT barbell curls..........once he compared them to using my "Seated Super-Duper Supinator Machine",he was astounded and soon abandoned the barbell for the rest of his career.
George F. Jowett and Sigmund Klein are probably spinning in ther respective graves with the disrespect shown here towards the old school greats.
Where else but at getbig where everyone is an expert?
Flotsam,flotsam,flotsam I say,because I like to say flotsam.
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How did these guys back then stay so lean if they were megadosing without AI's and ancillaries?
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How did these guys back then stay so lean if they were megadosing without AI's and ancillaries?
Their "megadoses" were far from todays megadoses trust me on that.
Today it`s just ridiculous, regardless of what anyone says to the contrary.
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Look at the unwashed flotsam coming out from under their rocks to defame the good moral upstanding blokes that pioneered the way for the rest of us.
You should all be ashamed,but what can you expect from so many internet experts?
The morals of true iron men were far superior to the wannabes that populate the bodybuilding world today.
Why when Arnold and Reg Park stayed at my place in Sydney in 1978,I never saw either bloke do more that 5 seperate shots a day intermingled with 100`s of pills per hour.
They also trained long and hard and not like the sheilas we have today.............long and hard.
I once saw Ray Mentzer when he visited my gym in Queensland do a full set of HIT barbell curls..........once he compared them to using my "Seated Super-Duper Supinator Machine",he was astounded and soon abandoned the barbell for the rest of his career.
George F. Jowett and Sigmund Klein are probably spinning in ther respective graves with the disrespect shown here towards the old school greats.
Where else but at getbig where everyone is an expert?
Flotsam,flotsam,flotsam I say,because I like to say flotsam.
All this time Wes, a basile gimmick.. How could you, you... FLOTSAM!
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Don`t call me flotsam.........you damn jetsam you!! ;D
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agreed, alot of the people whining havent even been training that long I bet. and im not convinced the guys back then were desperate drug consuming egomaniacs like pros today.
Ok, fuck it, they were practically natty, alrite?
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Don`t call me flotsam.........you damn jetsam you!! ;D
With regards to the super-duper-curl apparatus, did arthur jones steal the designs?
Was vince robbed?
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With regards to the super-duper-curl apparatus, did arthur jones steal the designs?
Was vince robbed?
Rumor has it that Arthur stayed at Vinces place in Queensland during late 1968 and stole all of Vinces blueprints and took pics of his early prototypes.............. next thing you know,voila` Nautilus was born, and Vice still feels bitter to this day,but Jones never got his dirty little hands on Vinces "Wayback Machine" !
(http://lonewolflibrarian.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/wayback.jpg?w=510&h=375)
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Ok, fuck it, they were practically natty, alrite?
That`s more like it dammit! ;D
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Jetflot machine :D
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Jetflot machine :D
Another in a long line of fine Vince Basile creations.
:)
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"Super-duper" sounds much better than "nautilus" ::)
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Look at the unwashed flotsam coming out from under their rocks to defame the good moral upstanding blokes that pioneered the way for the rest of us.
You should all be ashamed,but what can you expect from so many internet experts?
The morals of true iron men were far superior to the wannabes that populate the bodybuilding world today.
Why when Arnold and Reg Park stayed at my place in Sydney in 1978,I never saw either bloke do more that 5 seperate shots a day intermingled with 100`s of pills per hour.
They also trained long and hard and not like the sheilas we have today.............long and hard.
I once saw Ray Mentzer when he visited my gym in Queensland do a full set of HIT barbell curls..........once he compared them to using my "Seated Super-Duper Supinator Machine",he was astounded and soon abandoned the barbell for the rest of his career.
George F. Jowett and Sigmund Klein are probably spinning in ther respective graves with the disrespect shown here towards the old school greats.
Where else but at getbig where everyone is an expert?
Flotsam,flotsam,flotsam I say,because I like to say flotsam.
LMFAO!!!!
UNREAL!!! You had me there for a moment that I though your account got hacked, wes.
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;D
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"Super-duper" sounds much better than "nautilus" ::)
That Vince is one smart chap.........veritable marketing genius.
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Enough with revering this twinks.
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Ok, fuck it, they were practically natty, alrite?
;D
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I might add that theseguys had the original D-Bol which was awesome shit made by CIBA Labs....one 5mg. pill was more potent than a bunch of that pink Thai bullshit.
No doubt. And the sad thing is, these days, Thai pinks (British Dragon) are considered fairly GOOD Dianabol.
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No doubt. And the sad thing is, these days, Thai pinks (British Dragon) are considered fairly GOOD Dianabol.
No shit.....just total crap...........no comparison whatsoever.
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
But they only used small amounts, and back then 5mg of dianabol where 10000 times stronger than 5mg of dianabol today. ::) ::) ::)
Have you ever taken the real D bol by CIBA back in the day? Serious question.
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Have you ever taken the real D bol by CIBA back in the day? Serious question.
No, but I've also never heard a sound explanation of why the same chemical compound can have different result in different times.
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No, but I've also never heard a sound explanation of why the same chemical compound can have different result in different times.
Probably an underdosed/overdosed type of thing.......not really sure bro,but the original stuff was insanely better even at much smaller amounts.
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Probably an underdosed/overdosed type of thing.......not really sure bro,but the original stuff was insanely better even at much smaller amounts.
Like I said, there's no reason why it should be.
Or the stuff now is so badly underdosed that it doesn't have 1mg of dbol in one tab, and i can't believe that. Some Naposim should be the exact same thing, maybe the food back then was better, raw organic goat milk, kangaroo meat and sweet potatoes.
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Most likely the organic kangaroo meat! ;D
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Most likely the organic kangaroo meat! ;D
Oh hell yeah, only wild, grass fed Kangaroo that got killed by a road train!!
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Oh hell yeah, only wild, grass fed Kangaroo that got killed by a road train!!
no
The stress of the accident will not only toughen the meat, but release harmful toxins
Preferably natural causes at a mature age, not too old, sorrounded by loved ones under a tree on a hill, with a little stream flowing nearby,
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no
The stress of the accident will not only toughen the meat, but release harmful toxins
Preferably natural causes at a mature age, not too old, sorrounded by loved ones under a tree on a hill, with a little stream flowing nearby,
Good idea, shot with a bolt from a crossbow right into the heart while it is mating, in the moment of orgasm.
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Good idea, shot with a bolt from a crossbow right into the heart while it is mating, in the moment of orgasm.
that's great
That's anabolic kangaroo meat
Just need an experienced crossbow sniper experienced in kangaroo mating habits
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natural = 5'10 not 5'9 5'10! 165lb 6-7% over all bodyfat,, if you are any other numbers,, that menas,....
5'8 ...165 lb 6% you are not natural you are hormonized,,
6'1 feet 195lb 6% you are not natural you are hormonized
1 inch of height = 7 lb on male
1 inch of height = 5-6 lb on female
a true natural will never see anythign over 165lb 6% 5'10 over all body after good 5 years training using creatine,, using before some halodrol steroid lol etc and! fat burner will be used in preperation for competition by all true naturals,,
there is no ...true naturals
fellas like lay nortom and ron heris are filty individuals who i wish from butom of heart to get sick ,,as i said before ron heris will have punishement via his children that wil betray him in future ,,lay nortm is psycotic individual ,, he is a sociopath and a psycopath which i belivee is capable of killing
gh15 approved
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that's great
That's anabolic kangaroo meat
Just need an experienced crossbow sniper experienced in kangaroo mating habits
Oh, i guess we have enough of them here, i guess 99% of getbiggers are crossbow snipers.
Kangaroo mating habits is not a problem as well.
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the 1950/60 bodybuilders got nothing on the bodybuilders 1200's BC....
(http://thecimmerian.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/samson-2.jpg)
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natural = 5'10 not 5'9 5'10! 165lb 6-7% over all bodyfat,, if you are any other numbers,, that menas,....
5'8 ...165 lb 6% you are not natural you are hormonized,,
6'1 feet 195lb 6% you are not natural you are hormonized
1 inch of height = 7 lb on male
1 inch of height = 5-6 lb on female
a true natural will never see anythign over 165lb 6% 5'10 over all body after good 5 years training using creatine,, using before some halodrol steroid lol etc and! fat burner will be used in preperation for competition by all true naturals,,
there is no ...true naturals
fellas like lay nortom and ron heris are filty individuals who i wish from butom of heart to get sick ,,as i said before ron heris will have punishement via his children that wil betray him in future ,,lay nortm is psycotic individual ,, he is a sociopath and a psycopath which i belivee is capable of killing
gh15 approved
Tell that to guys on ironage forum
I said park was on drugs, they thought I was the anti christ
Some guy posted there other day that paris was nattie, another said, nah bob "admitted" to steroids, but he probably believes what bob claimed as his stack
These people don't understand paris took exact same shit as strydom or gaspari, trained same way, ate same way, but because he is paris, looks like paris.
Scary stupid stuff
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:( natural
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:( natural
If you consider cocaine abuse natural.
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If you consider cocaine abuse natural.
Cocaine was VERY abused at that particular time. I did a lot of research on it. And there were a slew of other stuff. Processed food was non-existant and organic was the norm.