Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: BFG on January 19, 2012, 01:22:16 PM
-
I was organizing my house and going through some old papers I had lying around and found a protocol I thought you guys would find interesting. This is the pre-workout protocol of a specific top pro. He was pretty open about it and passed it along to most of his friends/training buddies. I have no interest in disclosing who it is because he is a good guy but I will say he trained like an absolute monster and had some insane strength.
-------
1.5 hours pre workout:
200mg TNE
1 hour pre workout:
100mg dianabol tabs
100mg anadrol tabs
40mg halotestin
30 mins pre workout:
120mcg IGF-1 (IM bilateral in muscles to be trained)
300mg caffeine
37.5mg primatene
50mg sildenafil
10 mins pre workout
25iu humalog IM
30iu humulin-r sub-q
15iu nalbuphine IV
-
Christ all of that shit just for some muscles ::)
-
bro science at its best.. should have taken the orals earlier than that.. they wont be taking action till the end of his workout
-
I was organizing my house and going through some old papers I had lying around and found a protocol I thought you guys would find interesting. This is the pre-workout protocol of a specific top pro. He was pretty open about it and passed it along to most of his friends/training buddies. I have no interest in disclosing who it is because he is a good guy but I will say he trained like an absolute monster and had some insane strength.
-------
1.5 hours pre workout:
200mg TNE
1 hour pre workout:
100mg dianabol tabs
100mg anadrol tabs
40mg halotestin
30 mins pre workout:
120mcg IGF-1 (IM bilateral in muscles to be trained)
300mg caffeine
37.5mg primatene
50mg sildenafil
10 mins pre workout
25iu humalog IM
30iu humulin-r sub-q
15iu nalbuphine IV
you mean Viagra?
LOLOL
some epic hard ons in the gym while doing barbell rows
-
bro science at its best.. should have taken the orals earlier than that.. they wont be taking action till the end of his workout
Doesn't matter, the ones he takes 2 hours earlier do.
-
Doesn't matter, the ones he takes 2 hours earlier do.
;D ;D true true
-
jesus christ, what the fuck
-
Viagra too 30 minutes out? lol
:D
-
For the love of crumb cake. I always felt pretty hardcore popping a caffeine pill and some orals.
Worked out once the morning after taking some Viagra and Cialis and had a crazy workout. Had a big headache and got a boner too, but I looked and felt great otherwise. 8)
-
Viagra too 30 minutes out? lol
:D
I read a lotta guys do Viagra before pumping up for shows or guestposing cause it gives you a massive pump (no joke) ???
-
I was organizing my house and going through some old papers I had lying around and found a protocol I thought you guys would find interesting. This is the pre-workout protocol of a specific top pro. He was pretty open about it and passed it along to most of his friends/training buddies. I have no interest in disclosing who it is because he is a good guy but I will say he trained like an absolute monster and had some insane strength.
-------
1.5 hours pre workout:
200mg TNE
1 hour pre workout:
100mg dianabol tabs
100mg anadrol tabs
40mg halotestin
30 mins pre workout:
120mcg IGF-1 (IM bilateral in muscles to be trained)
300mg caffeine
37.5mg primatene
50mg sildenafil
10 mins pre workout
25iu humalog IM
30iu humulin-r sub-q
15iu nalbuphine IV
balonie,, bodybluider olny makes mutatoin with trnbalonie assitet,,
GH15 DISAPPROVED
-
viagra relaxes smooth muscles which are responsible for vasoconstriction. so taking viagra can work as a vasodialator but, i think there are better options since if you accidentally get a boner with viagra it's not going down and i think walking out on stage with a raging hardone would probably cost you some points.
-
Viagra too 30 minutes out? lol
:D
It's for specifics workouts with Barbara, the gym's recepcionist
-
viagra relaxes smooth muscles which are responsible for vasoconstriction. so taking viagra can work as a vasodialator but, i think there are better options since if you accidentally get a boner with viagra it's not going down and i think walking out on stage with a raging hardone would probably cost you some points.
I think Joe Weider had that in his principles.
-
viagra relaxes smooth muscles which are responsible for vasoconstriction. so taking viagra can work as a vasodialator but, i think there are better options since if you accidentally get a boner with viagra it's not going down and i think walking out on stage with a raging hardone would probably cost you some points.
viagra is isolated to the muscles of the penis.
-
Name the pro that you are illuding to...
-
I think Joe Weider had that in his principles.
lol ;D
-
And they wonder why they die.
-
Why the Nubian?
Unless this doesn't include his SEO use
-
Doubtful that is true. Not a single pro I know uses any insulin of any kind pre workout. Let alone 50ius of it. You would have to be jugging straight sugar water the entire workout.
-
Doubtful that is true. Not a single pro I know uses any insulin of any kind pre workout. Let alone 50ius of it. You would have to be jugging straight sugar water the entire workout.
... precisely.
Do you know how anabolic insulin is and how much it aids with protein synthesis? When you're talking double digit GH, you might as well make it worth your while and get fully on board with insulin. Insulin with every meal and pre/intra/post workout. Maybe some Lantus in the morning and Humulin R or Humalin around mealtime and workouts.
Tons of protocols but all really the same thing in the end. Just a bit of fine tuning towards different lifestyles, eating patterns and drug intake.
-
viagra is isolated to the muscles of the penis.
all those pde-5 inhibitors give me headaches in the back of my head, where an artery runs on the left side. ace inhibitors and other vasodialators do the exact same thing for me.
you are right that pde-5 inhibitors work bettr in the dick but they are still vasodialators and classified as such. i don't feel a difference between using vigra/cialis and other vasodialators, except the former gives me boners that won't go away.
-
thats a fuck load of insulin to be chasing up with carbs while working out
i recon with all the other shit he would have a hard time keeping a feel on the hypo
-
I 10x rather use methylphenidate pre-workout than caffeine + epinephrine.
-
PIP Markus Ruehl.
-
Doubtful that is true. Not a single pro I know uses any insulin of any kind pre workout. Let alone 50ius of it. You would have to be jugging straight sugar water the entire workout.
4units in locker room 2litres flat pepsi with creatine while working out , 4 units after then half of the one kilo of pasta salami olive oil and twelve eggs with cheese pasta bake you made last night , and protein drink,half hour later the other half of pasta ,then another half hour chicken and rice with sauce
-
all those pde-5 inhibitors give me headaches in the back of my head, where an artery runs on the left side. ace inhibitors and other vasodialators do the exact same thing for me.
you are right that pde-5 inhibitors work bettr in the dick but they are still vasodialators and classified as such. i don't feel a difference between using vigra/cialis and other vasodialators, except the former gives me boners that won't go away.
Same here, bro. I can't tolerate that stuff well. I get migraines so stuff like this is no good.
The gym-boner novelty also wears off very quickly... unfortunately, the boner itself doesn't LOL ;D
-
lol at the viagra.. even if it is a vasodialator,(which I guess in essence it is) what benefit does it have PWO? And holy shit at 15iu Nubain.. but then again if your in the know, these guys most likely are hooked on Nubain and carry their syringes with them at all times,, probably multiple shots a day
-
this stuff he comes up with anyone with any knowledge of bodybuilding drugs could. Its just logical mega dosing
-
Awaiting gh15's response...
-
how the heck do you consume that many carbs during the workout when taking that much slin?
-
how the heck do you consume that many carbs during the workout when taking that much slin?
When you're on the amount of GH they are, you don't need to consume as many carbs. Also you have drinks like karbolyn, or just soda as Dusty Hanshaw has shown in videos.
-
Three words - fucking ridiculously crazy.
-
that was pretty interesting...had me up till ten minutes pre workout tho.
-
Doubtful that is true. Not a single pro I know uses any insulin of any kind pre workout. Let alone 50ius of it. You would have to be jugging straight sugar water the entire workout.
lol ok... ::)
even i was using 10iu of humalog pre workout and i had no aspirations ever competing again.
-
lol ok... ::)
even i was using 10iu of humalog pre workout and i had no aspirations ever competing again.
obviously, you are a complete idiot
-
doesn't seem that far fetched really. I'd like to see the intra workout carb drink and the post workout protocol
-
Wonder what he does after training,and between workouts ?
-
In regards to insulin - humalog and humulin-r have different release time-frames so they peak at different points. The person in question (or anyone using this protocol) would not need ~500 grams of carbs during their workout. I do not have this specific bodybuilder's intra and post workout protocol but I can't imagine it would be any different than what most of the pros (and top amateurs) are doing.
I already posted the in depth protocol in a previous thread but heres what I assume it would look like (summarized):
2 hours pre workout - around 100g complex carbs and 50g protein
45 mins pre workout - 50g complex/50g simple carbs and 50g protein
walking in the gym - 75g simple sugars (large gatorate/soda/non-diet energy drink/glucose tabs/etc)
intra workout - 100-200g simple sugars (a common favorite is a large gatorade with additional dextrose powder added), BCAA's, creatine
post workout - 100-200g simple sugars, 100g protein
30 mins later - 100-200g complex and simple carbs, 100g protein
2 hours later - 100g complex carbs, 50g protein
-
Note the sheer amount of food this requires to achieve top pro level size. As I mentioned in a previous thread, this is why most pros smoke marijuana around the clock to stimulate some level of appetite.
-
In regards to insulin - humalog and humulin-r have different release time-frames so they peak at different points. The person in question (or anyone using this protocol) would not need ~500 grams of carbs during their workout. I do not have this specific bodybuilder's intra and post workout protocol but I can't imagine it would be any different than what most of the pros (and top amateurs) are doing.
I already posted the in depth protocol in a previous thread but heres what I assume it would look like (summarized):
2 hours pre workout - around 100g complex carbs and 50g protein
45 mins pre workout - 50g complex/50g simple carbs and 50g protein
walking in the gym - 75g simple sugars (large gatorate/soda/non-diet energy drink/glucose tabs/etc)
intra workout - 100-200g simple sugars (a common favorite is a large gatorade with additional dextrose powder added), BCAA's, creatine
post workout - 100-200g simple sugars, 100g protein
30 mins later - 100-200g complex and simple carbs, 100g protein
2 hours later - 100g complex carbs, 50g protein
thats something else,,lotta fuel there to have that kind of look/build.
-
In regards to insulin - humalog and humulin-r have different release time-frames so they peak at different points. The person in question (or anyone using this protocol) would not need ~500 grams of carbs during their workout. I do not have this specific bodybuilder's intra and post workout protocol but I can't imagine it would be any different than what most of the pros (and top amateurs) are doing.
I already posted the in depth protocol in a previous thread but heres what I assume it would look like (summarized):
2 hours pre workout - around 100g complex carbs and 50g protein
45 mins pre workout - 50g complex/50g simple carbs and 50g protein
walking in the gym - 75g simple sugars (large gatorate/soda/non-diet energy drink/glucose tabs/etc)
intra workout - 100-200g simple sugars (a common favorite is a large gatorade with additional dextrose powder added), BCAA's, creatine
post workout - 100-200g simple sugars, 100g protein
30 mins later - 100-200g complex and simple carbs, 100g protein
2 hours later - 100g complex carbs, 50g protein
this explains why they look like fat bloated shit in the offseason. That's an astronomical amount of carbs. If I eat more than 250g of carbs per day every day, I look like shit
-
this explains why they look like fat bloated shit in the offseason. That's an astronomical amount of carbs. If I eat more than 250g of carbs per day every day, I look like shit
its a tradeoff ,,,u like to be lean,it seems by your pics and thats ok too ,,if u have no plans to compete there is no offseason ,,stay lean get a little smooth but water look then warm weather drop down get lean and bf stable.
-
A love this guys posts.
He really knows what hes talking about.
Well, its pretty useless since mostly of us canīt afford it. But is a very welcome info.
BFG, you should make an Amateur Guide, (like GH15s Bodybuilding for the Poor lol.) With no GH and Insulin. To win locals shows.
-
this explains why they look like fat bloated shit in the offseason. That's an astronomical amount of carbs. If I eat more than 250g of carbs per day every day, I look like shit
you don't need that many carbs for that much slin preworkout - even if someone were to run that much. but yeah, pros say in interviews they eat over 10k calories a day in the offseason, probably eating 1.5k grams of carbs a day.
-
I guess bodybuilding really is a full time job if these protocols are true. That would be a pain in the ass lifestyle.
-
its a tradeoff ,,,u like to be lean,it seems by your pics and thats ok too ,,if u have no plans to compete there is no offseason ,,stay lean get a little smooth but water look then warm weather drop down get lean and bf stable.
I do like to be lean but that doesn't mean I am always lean. Whenever I pack on muscle, I get bloated/gain fat and I HATE the way my face and stomach looks. Luckily I'm at the point where I feel I have enough muscle to just be lean year round from now on. I just never posted pics when I wasn't in condition because I was too embarrassed. I had off seasons just like anyone and as recently as 3 months ago...just not anymore
you don't need that many carbs for that much slin preworkout - even if someone were to run that much. but yeah, pros say in interviews they eat over 10k calories a day in the offseason, probably eating 1.5k grams of carbs a day.
yea i know but i was just reading the disagram in the post I quoted and that's a fuckload of carbs
-
viagra is isolated to the muscles of the penis.
no it is not. the pde5 enzyme is located in other smooth and skeletal muscles throughout the body.
-
I would never want to do all that just to look like bloated whale shit.
Sorry,I`ll remain an old twink, and more than likely live a lot longer, and still be training until they pry a fucking barbell from my cold dead hands long after whaleshit has stopped due to heart problems or some other shit.
-
I do like to be lean but that doesn't mean I am always lean. Whenever I pack on muscle, I get bloated/gain fat and I HATE the way my face and stomach looks. Luckily I'm at the point where I feel I have enough muscle to just be lean year round from now on. I just never posted pics when I wasn't in condition because I was too embarrassed. I had off seasons just like anyone and as recently as 3 months ago...just not anymore
yea i know but i was just reading the disagram in the post I quoted and that's a fuckload of carbs
if you drop your bodyfat and get into the lower single digits, like 7% or below, water weight doesn't really make you look bad anymore because you have hardly any sub-q fat deposits for the water weight to expand. still washes out your lines and ruins the hardness of muscles, but, it won't make you "ugly" anymore like when you're higher bodyfat and hold water. (also it's the rips dude, they make everyone bloated looking like a puffed up porcupine-fish)
did you see that video though? at the end he talks about how $200 worth of food is his weekly allotment, and that he goes through 30lbs. of fish a week :-X
-
what he write is nothing,, lol
i myself took many times 200 mg trenbolona 2 hour pre training ,, together with 100 mg testosterona propioneta,, together with 5-10 iu gh ,, together with insulina which i wont mention here how much,, together with anadrola and halotestin in combo!
all that pre training and this does not! include fat burners lol
what he write to yuo here is the nice picture lol
gh15 approved
-
what he write is nothing,, lol
i myself took many times 200 mg trenbolona 2 hour pre training ,, together with 100 mg testosterona propioneta,, together with 5-10 iu gh ,, together with insulina which i wont mention here how much,, together with anadrola and halotestin in combo!
all that pre training and this does not! include fat burners lol
what he write to yuo here is the nice picture lol
gh15 approved
DAMN.............crazy stuff!
-
also one more thing i never mention is the need for carbs you wil notice when on hgh the need to carb is bigger than the need for protien! yes you wil need protien but you will hav eto force the protien you need ,, the carsb your body will aim for ,, groink is good example ,, ofcourse he lies his teeth but if you norice into his postings...he said before that all he want to eat is carbs...this is because old groink is on hgh ....and on everything under the rainbow.but the hgh make you want to eat carbs
high carbs is very important for bodybuilder ,, very imoiortant ,, then you cycle ofcourse but this is only when you about to get on stage,, generaly for 7-8% high carbs is the only way to grow into what you see around in modern bodybuild,,
dont belivee balonie,, i will fix it all in the website where you can actualy understand it and have it aranged for you
gh15 approved
-
t3 does that to me, insulin too. no matter how much i eat, always feel hungry, like someone took scissors and cut a hole in my stomach and all the food i eat falls out the bottom. keep eating and eating but never feel satiated, never get rid of the hunger, even when my stomach is so full it's hurting my back. and all i want to eat is pure sugar - donuts, cereal, pancakes, even just the jam itself without pancakes lol.
going to get some raminobrant because fuck this.
-
^^ Damn bro, that must either be a good feeling at times or an absolutely terrible feeling... Personally, sometimes I love having a craving appetite, but then at others I wish I had zero appetite/ cravings for food
-
t3 does that to me, insulin too. no matter how much i eat, always feel hungry, like someone took scissors and cut a hole in my stomach and all the food i eat falls out the bottom. keep eating and eating but never feel satiated, never get rid of the hunger, even when my stomach is so full it's hurting my back. and all i want to eat is pure sugar - donuts, cereal, pancakes, even just the jam itself without pancakes lol.
going to get some raminobrant because fuck this.
Dude,serious question,is there a fucking drug under the sun that you have not used?
Jesus Christ in all your posts you have vast experience on every fucking drug imaginable.......like a walking talking pharmacy !! ;D
I`m not trying to be a shithead towards you but godamn man! ;D
-
t3 does that to me, insulin too. no matter how much i eat, always feel hungry, like someone took scissors and cut a hole in my stomach and all the food i eat falls out the bottom. keep eating and eating but never feel satiated, never get rid of the hunger, even when my stomach is so full it's hurting my back. and all i want to eat is pure sugar - donuts, cereal, pancakes, even just the jam itself without pancakes lol.
going to get some raminobrant because fuck this.
GH does that to me, its like my stomach is an empty void, no matter how much id eaten prior to my GH shot, i like it as it helps me to eat more ;D
-
Dude,serious question,is there a fucking drug under the sun that you have not used?
Jesus Christ in all your posts you have vast experience on every fucking drug imaginable.......like a walking talking pharmacy !! ;D
I`m not trying to be a shithead towards you but godamn man! ;D
what kind of build is this kid sportin,,,
-
what kind of build is this kid sportin,,,
Never saw a pic but he`s gotta` be as big as a house!
-
Never saw a pic but he`s gotta` be as big as a house!
x2,,,pro level or damn near i hope ;)
-
x2,,,pro level or damn near i hope ;)
At the very least..............I`m glad no one isn`t here! ;D
-
what he write is nothing,, lol
i myself took many times 200 mg trenbolona 2 hour pre training ,, together with 100 mg testosterona propioneta,, together with 5-10 iu gh ,, together with insulina which i wont mention here how much,, together with anadrola and halotestin in combo!
all that pre training and this does not! include fat burners lol
what he write to yuo here is the nice picture lol
gh15 approved
What do you make of tren base, test suspension and methyltrienolone as a pre workout mix?
Saw a lab doing it a few ears back...
-
Dude,serious question,is there a fucking drug under the sun that you have not used?
Jesus Christ in all your posts you have vast experience on every fucking drug imaginable.......like a walking talking pharmacy !! ;D
I`m not trying to be a shithead towards you but godamn man! ;D
yeah, but not for long wes! going to be a wild 2012 8)
-
Never saw a pic but he`s gotta` be as big as a house!
8 inches length, 5.5 inch circumference.
-
What do you make of tren base, test suspension and methyltrienolone as a pre workout mix?
Saw a lab doing it a few ears back...
any modern bodybuild who got to a pro card alwys passed through testosterona short ester and trenbolona ace,, this combo is a must ,, you just wont look like bodybuild with out them ,, and ofcourse hgh ..and this is the big big scret not some no eater trenbolona lol you are not lay norton,,hgh is what causes muscle growth ,,
the moment you fellas understand that its all about abuse of hgh ...thats when you will become advance bodybuild,,
it is alllllllllllll in the abuse of hgh ,, you start seeing number go up on scale with look becomgin better larger and leaner....the higher the doses of LEGIT HGH become,, anything else is secondary
gh15 approved
-
Never saw a pic but he`s gotta` be as big as a house!
How could he be as big as house when his name is aesthetics? LOL, obviously you were being sarcastic, so am I, but in all seriousness-
To aesthetics: you do seem to in fact have used a lot of shit!! That's great bro, and you seem very knowledgeable in your posts- you definitely helped me learn some new things, so thank you for that. But, would you say you preach aesthetics or staying lean? Or is that just the name you picked?
-
what kind of build is this kid sportin,,,
for someone who uses what he says he does, he should about be the biggest guy on the planet.
i think people are starting to catch on.
-
Fucking guy has run every drug ever manufactured at one time or another.........on mega-high dosages!!
LOL ;D
-
for someone who uses what he says he does, he should about be the biggest guy on the planet.
i think people are starting to catch on.
You think he lies? He sent me some very, very imformative posts on the differences between sub-q, IM and IV HGH injections. Very knowledgeable and helpful dude?
-
this explains why they look like fat bloated shit in the offseason. That's an astronomical amount of carbs. If I eat more than 250g of carbs per day every day, I look like shit
Feel sorry for you bro, 500g a day and I'm loving life.
-
Feel sorry for you bro, 500g a day and I'm loving life.
Yep, up the GH dose and carbs are your friend
-
Yep, up the GH dose and carbs are your friend
Bingo
-
I was organizing my house and going through some old papers I had lying around and found a protocol I thought you guys would find interesting. This is the pre-workout protocol of a specific top pro. He was pretty open about it and passed it along to most of his friends/training buddies. I have no interest in disclosing who it is because he is a good guy but I will say he trained like an absolute monster and had some insane strength.
-------
1.5 hours pre workout:
200mg TNE
1 hour pre workout:
100mg dianabol tabs
100mg anadrol tabs
40mg halotestin
30 mins pre workout:
120mcg IGF-1 (IM bilateral in muscles to be trained)
300mg caffeine
37.5mg primatene
50mg sildenafil
10 mins pre workout
25iu humalog IM
30iu humulin-r sub-q
15iu nalbuphine IV
OK, I'll stay with the old school protocol...eat some food and go to the gym... ;)
Fuck this bullshit!
-
OK, I'll stay with the old school protocol...eat some food and go to the gym... ;)
Fuck this bullshit!
;D
-
OK, I'll stay with the old school protocol...eat some food and go to the gym... ;)
Fuck this bullshit!
My pre workout protocol is 2 cups of milk tea :D
-
;D
I mean...come on..I bet that guy (with this fuckin protocol) looked much better than Lee Haney...right? Or Sergio... ;D
-
I bet bfg is heath or dj and gh15 is nasser. Old school method and new.
-
You think he lies? He sent me some very, very imformative posts on the differences between sub-q, IM and IV HGH injections. Very knowledgeable and helpful dude?
lies about what he uses? yes.
lies about what hes trying to make himself out to be. yes.
does he post about things he says done that he hasnt done? yes.
does he give information out under the pretext of personal experience while not having any. yes.
his posts are fraught with inconsistencies. one minute hes using 5 gram cycles, 1200mg of tren ace and 20iu of gh the next hes says hes striving for a 'fitness model kind of look' ???
if he knows so much why'd he pm GH15 and ask if using chinese generic with a diuretic would make it as good as US pharma grade gh? lol what?!?
hes a lonely kid who surfs message boards repeating what he hears others saying in an attempt to look knowledgable and fit in. you'd think by now in the face of all this harassment hed post a pic. shut us all up in one shot.
be careful with his advice. it doesnst come from someone whos been there/ done that. only repeats what he reads. if im going to give advice on IV injection of GH it sure as fuck will not be what i 'read somewhere'
-
I mean...come on..I bet that guy (with this fuckin protocol) looked much better than Lee Haney...right? Or Sergio... ;D
ur were a top 202 placer no small feat man and other than your prep drugs,food,ect i bet u just had some cafeinne/fat burners and hit gym,,now i know with milos u were blown up bigger so i don't know if u followed some slin preworkout then.i think you did what u had to do but still had some sense,,,,,
-
lies about what he uses? yes.
lies about what hes trying to make himself out to be. yes.
does he post about things he says done that he hasnt done? yes.
does he give information out under the pretext of personal experience while not having any. yes.
his posts are fraught with inconsistencies. one minute hes using 5 gram cycles, 1200mg of tren ace and 20iu of gh the next hes says hes striving for a 'fitness model kind of look' ???
if he knows so much why'd he pm GH15 and ask if using chinese generic with a diuretic would make it as good as US pharma grade gh? lol what?!?
hes a lonely kid who surfs message boards repeating what he hears others saying in an attempt to look knowledgable and fit in. you'd think by now in the face of all this harassment hed post a pic. shut us all up in one shot.
be careful with his advice. it doesnst come from someone whos been there/ done that. only repeats what he reads. if im going to give advice on IV injection of GH it sure as fuck will not be what i 'read somewhere'
I getcha. Oh yeah, I wouldn't take anyone's advice without looking into myself also...I won't be doing any IV HGH injections anyhow.
-
Feel sorry for you bro, 500g a day and I'm loving life.
you should. I have a horrible case of carbophebia. I love carbs so much but they make me look like shit if I eat even a medium amount on a daily basis. It has always been this way for me, no matter what I use or don't use. I can't go over 1.25g of carbs per day. Whenever I do, I hate myself. Water extreme
-
Yep, up the GH dose and carbs are your friend
no they make me hold water no matter how much hgh I'm on. I use rips though which are notorious for holding more water
btw, when i say I look like shit, that means when I don't have all six abs completely vascular. I am a much harsher critic on myself than anyone else would be. Technically it isn't looking like shit, but when all my abs aren't veiny, i fail at life
-
lies about what he uses? yes.
lies about what hes trying to make himself out to be. yes.
does he post about things he says done that he hasnt done? yes.
does he give information out under the pretext of personal experience while not having any. yes.
his posts are fraught with inconsistencies. one minute hes using 5 gram cycles, 1200mg of tren ace and 20iu of gh the next hes says hes striving for a 'fitness model kind of look' ???
if he knows so much why'd he pm GH15 and ask if using chinese generic with a diuretic would make it as good as US pharma grade gh? lol what?!?
hes a lonely kid who surfs message boards repeating what he hears others saying in an attempt to look knowledgable and fit in. you'd think by now in the face of all this harassment hed post a pic. shut us all up in one shot.
be careful with his advice. it doesnst come from someone whos been there/ done that. only repeats what he reads. if im going to give advice on IV injection of GH it sure as fuck will not be what i 'read somewhere'
Excellent post.
-
you should. I have a horrible case of carbophebia. I love carbs so much but they make me look like shit if I eat even a medium amount on a daily basis. It has always been this way for me, no matter what I use or don't use. I can't go over 1.25g of carbs per day. Whenever I do, I hate myself. Water extreme
Fuck it, start popping lasix like candy and you're golden!
-
t3 does that to me, insulin too. no matter how much i eat, always feel hungry, like someone took scissors and cut a hole in my stomach and all the food i eat falls out the bottom. keep eating and eating but never feel satiated, never get rid of the hunger, even when my stomach is so full it's hurting my back. and all i want to eat is pure sugar - donuts, cereal, pancakes, even just the jam itself without pancakes lol.
going to get some raminobrant because fuck this.
(http://chzpokememes.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/pokmon-itll-be-alright-caterpie1.gif)
also one more thing i never mention is the need for carbs you wil notice when on hgh the need to carb is bigger than the need for protien! yes you wil need protien but you will hav eto force the protien you need ,, the carsb your body will aim for ,, groink is good example ,, ofcourse he lies his teeth but if you norice into his postings...he said before that all he want to eat is carbs...this is because old groink is on hgh ....and on everything under the rainbow.but the hgh make you want to eat carbs
high carbs is very important for bodybuilder ,, very imoiortant ,, then you cycle ofcourse but this is only when you about to get on stage,, generaly for 7-8% high carbs is the only way to grow into what you see around in modern bodybuild,,
dont belivee balonie,, i will fix it all in the website where you can actualy understand it and have it aranged for you
gh15 approved
Low carb is another lie along with clean food, extremely high protein etc.. etc....
no they make me hold water no matter how much hgh I'm on. I use rips though which are notorious for holding more water
btw, when i say I look like shit, that means when I don't have all six abs completely vascular. I am a much harsher critic on myself than anyone else would be. Technically it isn't looking like shit, but when all my abs aren't veiny, i fail at life
LAMO!!!!
dropped rips recently and dropped around 8lbs in matter of days and shittt i didn't even knew my abs could be so defined
you should. I have a horrible case of carbophebia. I love carbs so much but they make me look like shit if I eat even a medium amount on a daily basis. It has always been this way for me, no matter what I use or don't use. I can't go over 1.25g of carbs per day. Whenever I do, I hate myself. Water extreme
I had carbophebia while i was reading proM for about 2 weeks, another BS i was fed along with many (some mentioned above)
-
(http://chzpokememes.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/pokmon-itll-be-alright-caterpie1.gif)
Low carb is another lie along with clean food, extremely high protein etc.. etc....
LAMO!!!!
dropped rips recently and dropped around 8lbs in matter of days and shittt i didn't even knew my abs could be so defined
I had carbophebia while i was reading proM for about 2 weeks, another BS i was fed along with many (some mentioned above)
shit I remember you from pro muscle too.
Did you really drop 8lbs of water within 2 weeks of dropping rips? Did you change your diet and did you hop on a different gh the next day or were you off hgh entirely?
-
I mean...come on..I bet that guy (with this fuckin protocol) looked much better than Lee Haney...right? Or Sergio... ;D
Or Arnold even!! LOL ;D
-
lies about what he uses? yes.
lies about what hes trying to make himself out to be. yes.
does he post about things he says done that he hasnt done? yes.
does he give information out under the pretext of personal experience while not having any. yes.
his posts are fraught with inconsistencies. one minute hes using 5 gram cycles, 1200mg of tren ace and 20iu of gh the next hes says hes striving for a 'fitness model kind of look' ???
if he knows so much why'd he pm GH15 and ask if using chinese generic with a diuretic would make it as good as US pharma grade gh? lol what?!?
hes a lonely kid who surfs message boards repeating what he hears others saying in an attempt to look knowledgable and fit in. you'd think by now in the face of all this harassment hed post a pic. shut us all up in one shot.
be careful with his advice. it doesnst come from someone whos been there/ done that. only repeats what he reads. if im going to give advice on IV injection of GH it sure as fuck will not be what i 'read somewhere'
BRAVO !!!!!!!!!!
(http://typophile.com/files/applause1234363884_5474.gif)
-
I mean...come on..I bet that guy (with this fuckin protocol) looked much better than Lee Haney...right? Or Sergio... ;D
That's a very clever point
People have lost touch with what looks good, and what it takes to get there.
Well said!
-
lies about what he uses? yes.
lies about what hes trying to make himself out to be. yes.
does he post about things he says done that he hasnt done? yes.
does he give information out under the pretext of personal experience while not having any. yes.
his posts are fraught with inconsistencies. one minute hes using 5 gram cycles, 1200mg of tren ace and 20iu of gh the next hes says hes striving for a 'fitness model kind of look' ???
if he knows so much why'd he pm GH15 and ask if using chinese generic with a diuretic would make it as good as US pharma grade gh? lol what?!?
hes a lonely kid who surfs message boards repeating what he hears others saying in an attempt to look knowledgable and fit in. you'd think by now in the face of all this harassment hed post a pic. shut us all up in one shot.
be careful with his advice. it doesnst come from someone whos been there/ done that. only repeats what he reads. if im going to give advice on IV injection of GH it sure as fuck will not be what i 'read somewhere'
Not hating on you, you're a good guy, but didn't it take years for you to post pics too?
-
That's a very clever point
People have lost touch with what looks good, and what it takes to get there.
Well said!
X 10000000000000000
-
I actually like aesthetics,seems like a nice guy,but you have to admit the guys done everything and anything drugwise!!
He knows a lot though,but if you read steroid profiles online, and follow gh15`s posts, you learn a lot of stuff that you can parrot, while sounding like you have the real world experience to back up said knowledge.
If indeed he has done as much he says,I apologize, but until I see a pic or some proof,I`ll call it on him all day long.
I`m no giant of a man,that`s for sure,but what I post is what I know from my own personal experience which is far less than what he parrots.
He almost reminds me of the author of "The Underground Steroid Handbook' !
-
Not hating on you, you're a good guy, but didn't it take years for you to post pics too?
It did,but when he posted it bro,he was jacked!!
Maybe aesthetics will do the same thing a few years from now.
-
It did,but when he posted it bro,he was jacked!!
Maybe aesthetics will do the same thing a few years from now.
True, but you can't really call someone out on something you yourself did at one point too.
LOL @ your picture and signature by the way. ;D
-
Not hating on you, you're a good guy, but didn't it take years for you to post pics too?
not speaking for no one, but lots of people are just picture shy or don't feel the need especially older guys like in no one's case. Asthetics is in his twenties I believe?, with a "arms like Arnold" ::) ? Every guy in his twenties has an ego why would he not post a pic if they looked like Arnold? The exception is older guys who don't care much about impressing people on the internet. For example, I know one poster here in real life who's about equal to groink in terms of size ( maybe not quite but close.. a very big dude), and has never posted a pic. But he's in his thirties and doesn't care for this mumbo jumbo.
-
True, but you can't really call someone out on something you yourself did at one point too.
LOL @ your picture and signature by the way. ;D
She doesn`t ! LOL ;D
-
not speaking for no one, but lots of people are just picture shy or don't feel the need especially older guys like in no one's case. Asthetics is in his twenties I believe?, with a "arms like Arnold" ::) ? Every guy in his twenties has an ego why would he not post a pic if they looked like Arnold? The exception is older guys who don't care much about impressing people on the internet. For example, I know one poster here in real life who's about equal to groink in terms of size ( maybe not quite but close.. a very big dude), and has never posted a pic. But he's in his thirties and doesn't care for this mumbo jumbo.
One word bro:
THUNDERDOME
-
I personally do not understand why anyone would post there picture on a forum like this, when we are sitting here talking about using illegal drugs in huge amounts.
-
I personally do not understand why anyone would post there picture on a forum like this, when we are sitting here talking about using illegal drugs in huge amounts.
you would if you were as genetically gifted as aesthetics :D
-
I personally do not understand why anyone would post there picture on a forum like this, when we are sitting here talking about using illegal drugs in huge amounts.
spoken like a guy who is too embarrassed to post pics ;D
-
spoken like a guy who is too embarrassed to post pics ;D
LOL!!!! Of course. But seriously, why would anyone even chance it?
-
LOL!!!! Of course. But seriously, why would anyone even chance it?
This is why I hide my beautiful face. Wait no the real reason I hide my face is because I don't want to get g4p offers via pm :-*
-
This is why I hide my beautiful face. Wait no the real reason I hide my face is because I don't want to get g4p offers via pm :-*
You've got a PM waiting...
-
lies about what he uses? yes.
lies about what hes trying to make himself out to be. yes.
does he post about things he says done that he hasnt done? yes.
does he give information out under the pretext of personal experience while not having any. yes.
his posts are fraught with inconsistencies. one minute hes using 5 gram cycles, 1200mg of tren ace and 20iu of gh the next hes says hes striving for a 'fitness model kind of look' ???
if he knows so much why'd he pm GH15 and ask if using chinese generic with a diuretic would make it as good as US pharma grade gh? lol what?!?
hes a lonely kid who surfs message boards repeating what he hears others saying in an attempt to look knowledgable and fit in. you'd think by now in the face of all this harassment hed post a pic. shut us all up in one shot.
be careful with his advice. it doesnst come from someone whos been there/ done that. only repeats what he reads. if im going to give advice on IV injection of GH it sure as fuck will not be what i 'read somewhere'
your way off base. i had the same kind of impression of aesthetics at first as well being a newB to the forum and talking about big doses and various drugs like many of the new accounts that nut hug gh15 do, but ive talked to him quite a bit through p.m.s and the like and aesthetics isnt one of these young kids who talks a big game or anything like that. i dont know what he looks like, he may not have the greatest physique, but hes not lying about his experience with hormones and the like. hes a good dude.
-
That's a very clever point
People have lost touch with what looks good, and what it takes to get there.
Well said!
Exactly.
And so many guys are just plain stupid... And most of the competitors...it's an ego thing...they wanna prove it...but they don't have what it takes, so what's the point?
"I need more upper chest!" Stuff like that.
Donno...I think u need new DNA... ;D
-
you would if you were as genetically gifted as aesthetics :D
my genetics are real bad, and i'm a "bad responder" - by that i mean my body responds to steroids by losing hair. not acceptable :-\
-
Exactly.
And so many guys are just plain stupid... And most of the competitors...it's an ego thing...they wanna prove it...but they don't have what it takes, so what's the point?
"I need more upper chest!" Stuff like that.
Donno...I think u need new DNA... ;D
Steve,are you implying that genetics play a big role in determining ones physique?
Heaven forbid............it`s ALL DRUGS!! ;D
-
i actually IVed gh 3 times before. last time I did it with those bunk kigs, when i first got them and they were still hyped up a lot. i think i even made a post about it at the time, but i felt reaaaal bad, eyes turned blood shot and entire skin flushed red. headache too and heart was hurting.
completely different experience when i IVed rips, i don't know if it was because i missed the vein and went through the back of it or what. IVing with a 1/2inch needle is kind of tricky for the first time :P
-
<*bites tongue until it bleeds*>
-
Steve,are you implying that genetics play a big role in determining ones physique?
Heaven forbid............it`s ALL DRUGS!! ;D
Yes, genetics is VERY important...worse genetics=need more drugs...
-
your way off base. i had the same kind of impression of aesthetics at first as well being a newB to the forum and talking about big doses and various drugs like many of the new accounts that nut hug gh15 do, but ive talked to him quite a bit through p.m.s and the like and aesthetics isnt one of these young kids who talks a big game or anything like that. i dont know what he looks like, he may not have the greatest physique, but hes not lying about his experience with hormones and the like. hes a good dude.
let me ask you this tbombz- how do you judge someone's knowledge by what they look like? What if one guy does everything perfect, does everything in his power to build the best physique his genetics allow and still turns out quite average due to shitty response to weight training,drugs, so forth. Took a shitty pair of genetics and turned it into something "decent" Does he not get respect?
I would much rather take advice from some skinny kid who turned himself into something special, or even decent, than someone like Paul Dillet....doubt that guy knew the difference between a tylenol and a anadrol ...he just took alot of it, and it worked :D
-
i actually IVed gh 3 times before. last time I did it with those bunk kigs, when i first got them and they were still hyped up a lot. i think i even made a post about it at the time, but i felt reaaaal bad, eyes turned blood shot and entire skin flushed red. headache too and heart was hurting.
completely different experience when i IVed rips, i don't know if it was because i missed the vein and went through the back of it or what. IVing with a 1/2inch needle is kind of tricky for the first time :P
You should always aspirate to draw back blood first if going the IV route
-
viagra is isolated to the muscles of the penis.
False.
-
You should always aspirate to draw back blood first if going the IV route
it was difficult for me with 1 hand and a completely filled syringe when the plunger is out completely. syringe and needle moved around too much.
-
I could never have the balls to do IV shots, I'd feel like a junkie.
-
I could never have the balls to do IV shots, I'd feel like a junkie.
Basically,that`s what we are in a sense.
-
I could never have the balls to do IV shots, I'd feel like a junkie.
Subcutaneous injection is joke... IM sux, but guess what, we do it anyway
guess weīre junkies... or masochists,,,
-
Or masochistic junkies! :)
-
Guys I'm on the next season of Intervention. Riveting episode about my struggles with gh addiction detailing my giant 1000g carb orgies with slin shots the size of Texas and my odd jobs and g4p to pay for it all. When they do the intervention I'm at 345 lbs and 90 days later after treatment I'm a Tom Prince'ly sized 136 lbs.
Tune in!
-
it was difficult for me with 1 hand and a completely filled syringe when the plunger is out completely. syringe and needle moved around too much.
I tried it a few times, I hear you, it is difficult as hell. Especially after a hard workout when your shaky as fuck. Im sticking with the IM route.. IV is pretty out there for everyday basis
-
Basically,that`s what we are in a sense.
I define a junkie as someone who will inject anything they can get their hands on, someone who lives kit to kit vial to vial with absolutely no regard to health..... I haven't been in this game long enough to be considered a junkie let alone a serious bodybuilder , just a recreational steroid user who lifts weights. A guy like me would be wasting his time following these fancy protocols
-
let me ask you this tbombz- how do you judge someone's knowledge by what they look like? What if one guy does everything perfect, does everything in his power to build the best physique his genetics allow and still turns out quite average due to shitty response to weight training,drugs, so forth. Took a shitty pair of genetics and turned it into something "decent" Does he not get respect?
I would much rather take advice from some skinny kid who turned himself into something special, or even decent, than someone like Paul Dillet....doubt that guy knew the difference between a tylenol and a anadrol ...he just took alot of it, and it worked :D
i agree
False.
A phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitor, often shortened to PDE5 inhibitor, is a drug used to block the degradative action of phosphodiesterase type 5 on cyclic GMP in the smooth muscle cells lining the blood vessels supplying the corpus cavernosum of the penis. These drugs are used in the treatment of erectile dysfunction, and were the first effective oral treatment available for the condition. Because PDE5 is also present in the arterial wall smooth muscle within the lungs, PDE5 inhibitors have also been explored for the treatment of pulmonary hypertension, a disease in which blood vessels in the lungs become overloaded with fluid, usually as a result of failure of the left ventricle of the heart.
-
Guys I'm on the next season of Intervention. Riveting episode about my struggles with gh addiction detailing my giant 1000g carb orgies with slin shots the size of Texas and my odd jobs and g4p to pay for it all. When they do the intervention I'm at 345 lbs and 90 days later after treatment I'm a Tom Prince'ly sized 136 lbs.
Tune in!
sweet be sure to screw the coked out porn star whilst there
-
IFBB Pro Pre-Workout Drug Protocol of peace ::)
-
I define a junkie as someone who will inject anything they can get their hands on, someone who lives kit to kit vial to vial with absolutely no regard to health..... I haven't been in this game long enough to be considered a junkie let alone a serious bodybuilder , just a recreational steroid user who lifts weights. A guy like me would be wasting his time following these fancy protocols
lol then every serious bodybuild = junky ,, we never get off gh lol only very short befoee comeptition and ofcourse aas is all over the place lol there is arangment in the craziness with aas but still it is there big time lol
gh15 approved
-
what about igf?
-
I define a junkie as someone who will inject anything they can get their hands on, someone who lives kit to kit vial to vial with absolutely no regard to health..... I haven't been in this game long enough to be considered a junkie let alone a serious bodybuilder , just a recreational steroid user who lifts weights. A guy like me would be wasting his time following these fancy protocols
Lots of guys even with far more experience than you would be wasting their time with this protocol.
This kinda` cycle is not for the average bodybuilder......if one was to try it,he would have to work up to it over a period of time or he would just be plain old fucking dumb.
-
my genetics are real bad, and i'm a "bad responder" - by that i mean my body responds to steroids by losing hair. not acceptable :-\
LOL, yeah that is unacceptable bro!! Find another way ;) *Hint Up the gh in blood ;D
-
lol then every serious bodybuild = junky ,, we never get off gh lol only very short befoee comeptition and ofcourse aas is all over the place lol there is arangment in the craziness with aas but still it is there big time lol
gh15 approved
true...but I will probably will not look like serious bodybuilder anyways even if I did take your advice...so what's the point? how many try to be like Kuclo gh15? and use hormones for decades and still look like gym rat? majority.....how many fail? majority, 99 out of 100
-
true...but I will probably will not look like serious bodybuilder anyways even if I did take your advice...so what's the point? how many try to be like Kuclo gh15? and use hormones for decades and still look like gym rat? majority.....how many fail? majority, 99 out of 100
very few many want to but most don't have the resources to run 20ius or growth and 3 grams of gear always a lot might mega dose steroids but very few have it all put togther right.
-
your way off base. i had the same kind of impression of aesthetics at first as well being a newB to the forum and talking about big doses and various drugs like many of the new accounts that nut hug gh15 do, but ive talked to him quite a bit through p.m.s and the like and aesthetics isnt one of these young kids who talks a big game or anything like that. i dont know what he looks like, he may not have the greatest physique, but hes not lying about his experience with hormones and the like. hes a good dude.
x2. the hate is really annoying. he is actually a good source of knowledge. Talked via pm's and he is a cool honest dude
-
I define a junkie as someone who will inject anything they can get their hands on, someone who lives kit to kit vial to vial with absolutely no regard to health..... I haven't been in this game long enough to be considered a junkie let alone a serious bodybuilder , just a recreational steroid user who lifts weights. A guy like me would be wasting his time following these fancy protocols
That why he stated that this drug protocol is coming from an IFBB pro...
-
what he write is nothing,, lol
i myself took many times 200 mg trenbolona 2 hour pre training ,, together with 100 mg testosterona propioneta,, together with 5-10 iu gh ,, together with insulina which i wont mention here how much,, together with anadrola and halotestin in combo!
all that pre training and this does not! include fat burners lol
what he write to yuo here is the nice picture lol
gh15 approved
Yes, but then I dont understand your posts about nutrition in the past
You said 4k - 5k calories is the max what pros consume daily
But with such a formular the calories needed would be much higher...Im natural and on 3 - 3,5k / day
-
Yes, but then I dont understand your posts about nutrition in the past
You said 4k - 5k calories is the max what pros consume daily
But with such a formular the calories needed would be much higher...Im natural and on 3 - 3,5k / day
That's not entirely true.. that's bodybuilding magazine logic. These guys aren't eating grits, yams and pounds of ground beef every 2-3 hours like the magazines say.
Every fella I know who's ripped and over 240lbs eats very happily. It's the tren and GH that keeps them so lean. They have bacon, eggs and hash browns for breakfast, some fast food or take out for lunch, burgers, sushi and Vietnamese in the evening. Maybe one or two meals will be replaced by another satisfying and hearty meal.
Don't think that pro's are sitting around eating chicken and salads or rinsed ground beef with no seasonings LOL... maybe at certain stages of their diet they might eat a few higher protein meals and whatnot, but when they need massive amounts of calories their diet just becomes "dirtier" as some people would put it. But it's mainly about protein and calories in and out. No need to overcomplicate it. It becomes stupidly simple the more GH you add too, that's when you up the chocolate and ice cream to the max. That's what their diets are like. That's why mine's like and I'm not even on GH.
-
true...but I will probably will not look like serious bodybuilder anyways even if I did take your advice...so what's the point? how many try to be like Kuclo gh15? and use hormones for decades and still look like gym rat? majority.....how many fail? majority, 99 out of 100
ummm,, see this is why i make the webpage ,, i dont make it lol but europe make it for me,, the reason is ...what you just said
if you ever actual took thanktropin or any legit gh wether its pharma grade kigtropin from back half year ago,, or humatrope ,, if you ever took for example tnktropin only 10 iu 10 miserble iu for couple months you would see how kuklo is NOTHING ,, he got nothing on him ,, you will see that you will get thick the muscle from the inside will get thick ,, on even small dosees of aas of some 200mg a week testosterona 700 mg trenbolona and 200 mg masterona ....even on this miserble doses...you will see how you thicken and lean in same time to become smalll mutaititon and then moderate level mutatition ...then you wil hv eto add insulina with out being scared since you are on legit gh ....have to take it with every meal...and you wil get a kuklo type of physiqe most likley better than his,, since some fellas truly have nice muscle shapes...
kuklo is a rich kid that got there in the right time and had and have all you can eat hgh and not afraid to load on insulina with it ,, aas realy leaa to do with it
it is sad that what you just said is result of steroid boardings puttin it in your head,, because its not like this,,
you become instituionized at age 20 same as stavio became that in a way ,, it is young age you probbaly wontstay instituionized for long ,,, but even this little time make me mad in danta even more!
the problem is no one of you kidos understand its all gh and not aas,, no one of you get it you are mislead,, no one of you understand it is all GH AND INSULINA ,, no one of you get it ...you play with some stupid dianabol who puff you up into bloof land for 2 weeks you play with poop
hgh and insulina = kuklo ON ANY ONE ,, he has very average physiqe very very average,, just right place right time and rich kido
gh15 approved/bible index
-
x2. the hate is really annoying. he is actually a good source of knowledge. Talked via pm's and he is a cool honest dude
lol 'annoying'. oh brother. oh,ok i'll stop right now! ::) and who the fuck are you again?
im happy your sticking up for your new boyfriend. it makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. but honestly i could hardly give a fuck how 'annoying' you find anything.
if you dont like it dont read the posts. pretty simple concept really.
-
That's not entirely true.. that's bodybuilding magazine logic. These guys aren't eating grits, yams and pounds of ground beef every 2-3 hours like the magazines say.
Every fella I know who's ripped and over 240lbs eats very happily. It's the tren and GH that keeps them so lean. They have bacon, eggs and hash browns for breakfast, some fast food or take out for lunch, burgers, sushi and Vietnamese in the evening. Maybe one or two meals will be replaced by another satisfying and hearty meal.
Don't think that pro's are sitting around eating chicken and salads or rinsed ground beef with no seasonings LOL... maybe at certain stages of their diet they might eat a few higher protein meals and whatnot, but when they need massive amounts of calories their diet just becomes "dirtier" as some people would put it. But it's mainly about protein and calories in and out. No need to overcomplicate it. It becomes stupidly simple the more GH you add too, that's when you up the chocolate and ice cream to the max. That's what their diets are like. That's why mine's like and I'm not even on GH.
By now I know too that all the clean eating wont bring you anything on high doses in the offseason, but still gh15 said that the amount of calories each day is about 4k - 5k for professional bodybuilder
So Im wondering why its that low if you have this huge hunger with tren and gh + cant get fat
-
lol 'annoying'. oh brother. oh,ok i'll stop right now! ::) and who the fuck are you again?
im happy your sticking up for your new boyfriend. it makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. but honestly i could hardly give a fuck how 'annoying' you find anything.
if you dont like it dont read the posts. pretty simple concept really.
OUCH !
-
lol 'annoying'. oh brother. oh,ok i'll stop right now! ::) and who the fuck are you again?
im happy your sticking up for your new boyfriend. it makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. but honestly i could hardly give a fuck how 'annoying' you find anything.
if you dont like it dont read the posts. pretty simple concept really.
good idea
-
I'm getting "Gavin Kane" vibes from this BFG fella. Any connection? What's this guy's previous internet posting history and where?
In any case these protocols BFG are too involved, structured and specific for most bodybuilders IMO.
What I mean is that many or most bb's are just too lazy to do all these drugs at very specific times.
A Milos type would do it, but guys like Namat... would be hard to get them to stick to the schedule even if they were ready to take all these substances. :D
-
I'm getting "Gavin Kane" vibes from this BFG fella. Any connection? What's this guy's previous internet posting history and where?
In any case these protocols BFG are too involved, structured and specific for most bodybuilders IMO.
What I mean is that many or most bb's are just too lazy to do all these drugs at very specific times.
A Milos type would do it, but guys like Namat... would be hard to get them to stick to the schedule even if they were ready to take all these substances. :D
;D
Even Milos's cycles were too big for Namat
Namat is able to blow the fuck up on half the dosage that local competitors use, he doesn't need this shit
-
;D
Even Milos's cycles were too big for Namat
Namat is able to blow the fuck up on half the dosage that local competitors use, he doesn't need this shit
haha ;D
-
I'm a huge BFG fan. I'd never follow those protocols or even half dosages but He really paints a clear pic of the sick shit these fellas put their bodies through and in graphic detail.
-
;D
Even Milos's cycles were too big for Namat
Namat is able to blow the fuck up on half the dosage that local competitors use, he doesn't need this shit
He did accept the giant set training but didn't accept the insulin that goes along with it. :D
Namat is afraid of drugs. That's why he quit instead of being a top 3 Olympia 202, or even the winner. Imagine Steve on Raymond's stack.
-
He did accept the giant set training but didn't accept the insulin that goes along with it. :D
Namat is afraid of drugs. That's why he quit instead of being a top 3 Olympia 202, or even the winner. Imagine Steve on Raymond's stack.
(http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/jpg/63d36a3d68af26f5208b644152a183dea6456d80_r.jpg)
-
lmao
-
That's not entirely true.. that's bodybuilding magazine logic. These guys aren't eating grits, yams and pounds of ground beef every 2-3 hours like the magazines say.
Every fella I know who's ripped and over 240lbs eats very happily. It's the tren and GH that keeps them so lean. They have bacon, eggs and hash browns for breakfast, some fast food or take out for lunch, burgers, sushi and Vietnamese in the evening. Maybe one or two meals will be replaced by another satisfying and hearty meal.
Don't think that pro's are sitting around eating chicken and salads or rinsed ground beef with no seasonings LOL... maybe at certain stages of their diet they might eat a few higher protein meals and whatnot, but when they need massive amounts of calories their diet just becomes "dirtier" as some people would put it. But it's mainly about protein and calories in and out. No need to overcomplicate it. It becomes stupidly simple the more GH you add too, that's when you up the chocolate and ice cream to the max. That's what their diets are like. That's why mine's like and I'm not even on GH.
Holy shit dude... sounds like you know a lot of top pros personally.
-
He did accept the giant set training but didn't accept the insulin that goes along with it. :D
Namat is afraid of drugs. That's why he quit instead of being a top 3 Olympia 202, or even the winner. Imagine Steve on Raymond's stack.
namat quit because he is not americano and not conected,, thi sis sad becausde he could do very well in thre open not in the 202 but open ,,as i said before in 1989 namat would be top 3 mr o ...sadly bodybuild went into never never land togethr with wendy and peter
gh15 approved
-
namat quit because he is not americano and not conected,, thi sis sad becausde he could do very well in thre open not in the 202 but open ,,as i said before in 1989 namat would be top 3 mr o ...sadly bodybuild went into never never land togethr with wendy and peter
gh15 approved
If someone offered Namat all the free drugs he wanted, do you think he would compete and attempt to beat drug pigs like Raymond and Kevin English? Sounds to me like he just doesn't want to... sure funds may play into it also but bodybuilders/addicts always find a way. :D
This is a guy who said:
;D
I don't need GH now...
What bb doesn't need GH? Only someone who has no interest in competing. :D
-
If someone offered Namat all the free drugs he wanted, do you think he would compete and attempt to beat drug pigs like Raymond and Kevin English? Sounds to me like he just doesn't want to... sure funds may play into it also but bodybuilders/addicts always find a way. :D
This is a guy who said:
What bb doesn't need GH? Only someone who has no interest in competing. :D
Steve wouldn't do shit, he would find an excuse
also, he made sooooo many claims here like "If I took as much as these guys I would win easily"
he can't compete anymore, because he would be on the spot.
and if he lost, he would say: yeah but I was only on 50mg of winstrol per day of course I wasn't gonna win these guys take more than 5g per week
-
Steve wouldn't do shit, he would find an excuse
also, he made sooooo many claims here like "If I took as much as these guys I would win easily"
he can't compete anymore, because he would be on the spot.
and if he lost, he would say: yeah but I was only on 50mg of winstrol per day of course I wasn't gonna win these guys take more than 5g per week
Sure I think he's balonied a bit about his drug intake but I don't think his use was ever close to the two examples I gave. He isn't a fully mutated freak. :D
Whether he'd win if he upgraded his program is impossible to say for sure. Maybe he is afraid he would fail like you say, I don't know.
-
Sure I think he's balonied a bit about his drug intake but I don't think his use was ever close to the two examples I gave. He isn't a fully mutated freak. :D
Whether he'd win if he upgraded his program is impossible to say for sure. Maybe he is afraid he would fail like you say, I don't know.
when he started training with milos he was huge as fuck, shaped like a mini dennis james in a tank top
I am sure he already tried some big dosage
of course he will say I am an idiot, but the difference in the different stages of his physique is pretty obvious
-
of course he will say I am an idiot, but the difference in the different stages of his physique is pretty obvious
Spot on...
-
That's not entirely true.. that's bodybuilding magazine logic. These guys aren't eating grits, yams and pounds of ground beef every 2-3 hours like the magazines say.
Every fella I know who's ripped and over 240lbs eats very happily. It's the tren and GH that keeps them so lean. They have bacon, eggs and hash browns for breakfast, some fast food or take out for lunch, burgers, sushi and Vietnamese in the evening. Maybe one or two meals will be replaced by another satisfying and hearty meal.
Don't think that pro's are sitting around eating chicken and salads or rinsed ground beef with no seasonings LOL... maybe at certain stages of their diet they might eat a few higher protein meals and whatnot, but when they need massive amounts of calories their diet just becomes "dirtier" as some people would put it. But it's mainly about protein and calories in and out. No need to overcomplicate it. It becomes stupidly simple the more GH you add too, that's when you up the chocolate and ice cream to the max. That's what their diets are like. That's why mine's like and I'm not even on GH.
THIS.. That's an educated pupil fellas!!! Listen to this man
-
namat quit because he is not americano and not conected,, thi sis sad becausde he could do very well in thre open not in the 202 but open ,,as i said before in 1989 namat would be top 3 mr o ...sadly bodybuild went into never never land togethr with wendy and peter
gh15 approved
That made me laugh so fuckin hard lol.
-
If someone offered Namat all the free drugs he wanted, do you think he would compete and attempt to beat drug pigs like Raymond and Kevin English? Sounds to me like he just doesn't want to... sure funds may play into it also but bodybuilders/addicts always find a way. :D
This is a guy who said:
What bb doesn't need GH? Only someone who has no interest in competing. :D
yes ,, he is just realized that it take alot especialy for 5'7 ,,not only that but today! it take even more,, look in jason korea for god sake,, not that he look anything special but namat would have to be conected to get into tthat zone namat wipe flor with koreaq ofcourse but the actual size... on koras is what namat is missing ,, namat is an international fella with minimal conections in americana ,, if he had behin dhim what need to be behind him ....if he knew the fellas which i know he doesnt becaue he wrote to me so i know he doesnt have any of the ones who stand behind some top amatuers even ,, he just not the type of beggers who would beg those misereble fucks to help him it is where he is from that give him some pride still! if he could get it he would be top 6 olympia ,, is it worth it? yes top 6 o is worthy it becaue you make decent money but still he is from diff culture,, yes denis wolfe is up there but denise wolfe lol is a fucking russian they can walk in syberia with no shoed on the snow and come out ok they hav ecold blood there are mini mutants to begin with
international bodybuild better have connections and contatcs and someone who stand behhin dhim ,, i can garentee to you that namat is 1. not a homo ,, 2 has his pride and decency
gh15 approved
-
i can garentee to you that namat is 1. not a homo ,, 2 has his pride and decency
gh15 approved
I couldn't have said it better myself, Gh15. :-)
-
If someone offered Namat all the free drugs he wanted, do you think he would compete and attempt to beat drug pigs like Raymond and Kevin English? Sounds to me like he just doesn't want to... sure funds may play into it also but bodybuilders/addicts always find a way. :D
This is a guy who said:
What bb doesn't need GH? Only someone who has no interest in competing. :D
Namat makes more money being the janitor in the local YMCA gym than being a "pro" bodybuilder.
-
Steve is a very nice guy with morals. He wants.to get more out of life than juicing to a tilt for homos who own ifbb
-
IFBB Pro Pre-Coffin Drug Protocol.
-
I couldn't have said it better myself, Gh15. :-)
X 2
Steve`s a nice guy with a great physique who would kick mucho ass on the right drug protocol.
-
Steve Namet
Thunderdome approved
-
By now I know too that all the clean eating wont bring you anything on high doses in the offseason, but still gh15 said that the amount of calories each day is about 4k - 5k for professional bodybuilder
So Im wondering why its that low if you have this huge hunger with tren and gh + cant get fat
It can be higher too. Everyone's different. But don't believe them when they say they eat a clean 6000-7000 calories. Once they get the weight on and stay on all the anabolic goodies, their bodies become very forgiving. On GH you can eat a lot or eat a little and you just look fantastic. It makes me sad that I don't have the opportunity to abuse the hell out of GH lol... if I lived in the US I'd abuse the SHIT out of it. :'(
Holy shit dude... sounds like you know a lot of top pros personally.
Nah, just pin cushions that run some ridiculously nasty looking cycles of whatever they can get their hands on. When I hang out with them they're always asking if I don't mind swinging by the nearest Wendys or sushi joint. They just eat take out a couple times a day and that's all. No 10,000 calories chicken and oatmeal diets there.
It's always the fake natural guys that claim to live a hardass sedentary lifestyles too, turning down family events and not having a girlfriend because they need to wake up at 2am to polish off some chicken and cottage cheese. All the REAL big guys I know are happily juiced up, love their families and would never disrespect them by turning down a family dinner. They're all pretty nice fellas and very honest. That's why I like them. They never claim natural and admit to taking everything and anything... we're all honest here in Canada. You can't be in the mid-low digit bf range and carry sheaths of muscle without using drugs, so why disrespect people and tell them bold faced lies? We don't do that shit here, it's fucking disrespectful.
-
It's always the fake natural guys that claim to live a hardass sedentary lifestyles too, turning down family events and not having a girlfriend because they need to wake up at 2am to polish off some chicken and cottage cheese. All the REAL big guys I know are happily juiced up, love their families and would never disrespect them by turning down a family dinner. They're all pretty nice fellas and very honest. That's why I like them. They never claim natural and admit to taking everything and anything... we're all honest here in Canada. You can't be in the mid-low digit bf range and carry sheaths of muscle without using drugs, so why disrespect people and tell them bold faced lies? We don't do that shit here, it's fucking disrespectful.
true that, to some extent 8)
some still try to bullshit but in general people don't give a fuck and tell you what they use
-
Fuck Canada !! ;D
-
Fuck Canada !! ;D
fuck french canadians, but canada is nice 8)
-
yes ,, he is just realized that it take alot especialy for 5'7 ,,not only that but today! it take even more,, look in jason korea for god sake,, not that he look anything special but namat would have to be conected to get into tthat zone namat wipe flor with koreaq ofcourse but the actual size... on koras is what namat is missing ,, namat is an international fella with minimal conections in americana ,, if he had behin dhim what need to be behind him ....if he knew the fellas which i know he doesnt becaue he wrote to me so i know he doesnt have any of the ones who stand behind some top amatuers even ,, he just not the type of beggers who would beg those misereble fucks to help him it is where he is from that give him some pride still! if he could get it he would be top 6 olympia ,, is it worth it? yes top 6 o is worthy it becaue you make decent money but still he is from diff culture,, yes denis wolfe is up there but denise wolfe lol is a fucking russian they can walk in syberia with no shoed on the snow and come out ok they hav ecold blood there are mini mutants to begin with
international bodybuild better have connections and contatcs and someone who stand behhin dhim ,, i can garentee to you that namat is 1. not a homo ,, 2 has his pride and decency
gh15 approved
You keep saying he's Russian...he's German, brah
-
you dont look like this via mother germany ,, only mother russia produce this type of look ,, he belong to mother ussr,, this is ussr friend and bgi time ussr ,, yes germany is there but you know ussr when you see ussr ,, best in the world
gh15 approved
-
fuck french canadians, but canada is nice 8)
You know I`m just busting your balls bro! :)
-
... if I lived in the US I'd abuse the SHIT out of it. :'(
LOL
Nah, just pin cushions that run some ridiculously nasty looking cycles of whatever they can get their hands on. When I hang out with them they're always asking if I don't mind swinging by the nearest Wendys or sushi joint. They just eat take out a couple times a day and that's all. No 10,000 calories chicken and oatmeal diets there.
It's always the fake natural guys that claim to live a hardass sedentary lifestyles too, turning down family events and not having a girlfriend because they need to wake up at 2am to polish off some chicken and cottage cheese. All the REAL big guys I know are happily juiced up, love their families and would never disrespect them by turning down a family dinner. They're all pretty nice fellas and very honest. That's why I like them. They never claim natural and admit to taking everything and anything... we're all honest here in Canada. You can't be in the mid-low digit bf range and carry sheaths of muscle without using drugs, so why disrespect people and tell them bold faced lies? We don't do that shit here, it's fucking disrespectful.
Great post!!
-
You keep saying he's Russian...he's German, brah
Nope ... Gh15's right. Wolf is Russian. Sorry, bro.
-
Nope ... Gh15's right. Wolf is Russian. Sorry, bro.
This. Born a rusky, grew up in Germany
-
It can be higher too. Everyone's different. But don't believe them when they say they eat a clean 6000-7000 calories. Once they get the weight on and stay on all the anabolic goodies, their bodies become very forgiving. On GH you can eat a lot or eat a little and you just look fantastic. It makes me sad that I don't have the opportunity to abuse the hell out of GH lol... if I lived in the US I'd abuse the SHIT out of it. :'(
Nah, just pin cushions that run some ridiculously nasty looking cycles of whatever they can get their hands on. When I hang out with them they're always asking if I don't mind swinging by the nearest Wendys or sushi joint. They just eat take out a couple times a day and that's all. No 10,000 calories chicken and oatmeal diets there.
It's always the fake natural guys that claim to live a hardass sedentary lifestyles too, turning down family events and not having a girlfriend because they need to wake up at 2am to polish off some chicken and cottage cheese. All the REAL big guys I know are happily juiced up, love their families and would never disrespect them by turning down a family dinner. They're all pretty nice fellas and very honest. That's why I like them. They never claim natural and admit to taking everything and anything... we're all honest here in Canada. You can't be in the mid-low digit bf range and carry sheaths of muscle without using drugs, so why disrespect people and tell them bold faced lies? We don't do that shit here, it's fucking disrespectful.
hahah yeah maybe if you live in saskatoon
-
It can be higher too. Everyone's different. But don't believe them when they say they eat a clean 6000-7000 calories. Once they get the weight on and stay on all the anabolic goodies, their bodies become very forgiving. On GH you can eat a lot or eat a little and you just look fantastic. It makes me sad that I don't have the opportunity to abuse the hell out of GH lol... if I lived in the US I'd abuse the SHIT out of it. :'(
Nah, just pin cushions that run some ridiculously nasty looking cycles of whatever they can get their hands on. When I hang out with them they're always asking if I don't mind swinging by the nearest Wendys or sushi joint. They just eat take out a couple times a day and that's all. No 10,000 calories chicken and oatmeal diets there.
It's always the fake natural guys that claim to live a hardass sedentary lifestyles too, turning down family events and not having a girlfriend because they need to wake up at 2am to polish off some chicken and cottage cheese. All the REAL big guys I know are happily juiced up, love their families and would never disrespect them by turning down a family dinner. They're all pretty nice fellas and very honest. That's why I like them. They never claim natural and admit to taking everything and anything... we're all honest here in Canada. You can't be in the mid-low digit bf range and carry sheaths of muscle without using drugs, so why disrespect people and tell them bold faced lies? We don't do that shit here, it's fucking disrespectful.
Ah thanks, so I guess his 4k advice was for the clean eating during prep
-
He did accept the giant set training but didn't accept the insulin that goes along with it. :D
Namat is afraid of drugs. That's why he quit instead of being a top 3 Olympia 202, or even the winner. Imagine Steve on Raymond's stack.
;D
BTW...afraid...? Well...afraid or not...what's the point? Please explain me. ;)
-
If someone offered Namat all the free drugs he wanted, do you think he would compete and attempt to beat drug pigs like Raymond and Kevin English? Sounds to me like he just doesn't want to... sure funds may play into it also but bodybuilders/addicts always find a way. :D
This is a guy who said:
What bb doesn't need GH? Only someone who has no interest in competing. :D
Hey everybody...because my mind isn't fucked up... If I would compete I should be around... 220 onstage and about 240 in good shape in the offseason...at 5'7"
Now I'm 215-217 and I'm in OK shape...maybe I could be even better shape at 225 with more food and more-better training... And still that means I should put on 15 pounds of pure muscle...all fake muscle... Because all I would need is more drugs....
Then I would be better athlete??? Why? Because of more drugs???
Man, I don't like this shit...
What do u guys think?
-
when he started training with milos he was huge as fuck, shaped like a mini dennis james in a tank top
I am sure he already tried some big dosage
of course he will say I am an idiot, but the difference in the different stages of his physique is pretty obvious
That was all insulin...that's all... So means nothing... disappear within a few weeks... :-\
-
yes ,, he is just realized that it take alot especialy for 5'7 ,,not only that but today! it take even more,, look in jason korea for god sake,, not that he look anything special but namat would have to be conected to get into tthat zone namat wipe flor with koreaq ofcourse but the actual size... on koras is what namat is missing ,, namat is an international fella with minimal conections in americana ,, if he had behin dhim what need to be behind him ....if he knew the fellas which i know he doesnt becaue he wrote to me so i know he doesnt have any of the ones who stand behind some top amatuers even ,, he just not the type of beggers who would beg those misereble fucks to help him it is where he is from that give him some pride still! if he could get it he would be top 6 olympia ,, is it worth it? yes top 6 o is worthy it becaue you make decent money but still he is from diff culture,, yes denis wolfe is up there but denise wolfe lol is a fucking russian they can walk in syberia with no shoed on the snow and come out ok they hav ecold blood there are mini mutants to begin with
international bodybuild better have connections and contatcs and someone who stand behhin dhim ,, i can garentee to you that namat is 1. not a homo ,, 2 has his pride and decency
gh15 approved
Would be a great ride to be top 6 at the O... But after all those things what I heard from top pros... Well...it doesn't sound good honestly... Still thinking tho. LOL!
-
Get on the slin Namat, and get dat der high amounts of thankyoutropin into the bloodstream, nice and cheap too. Go balls out for a show you Hungarian bastard. Make Daniel toth proud to be a fellow brothering. Might as well go for it, your a pro, you love this shit, become a great, a legend!
-
Get on the slin Namat, and get dat der high amounts of thankyoutropin into the bloodstream, nice and cheap too. Go balls out for a show you Hungarian bastard. Make Daniel toth proud to be a fellow brothering. Might as well go for it, your a pro, you love this shit, become a great, a legend!
Sounds good... ;D
Daniel doesn't know anything about the pro world yet...that's why he's motivated. And he's very good.
-
X 2
Steve`s a nice guy with a great physique who would kick mucho ass on the right drug protocol.
Thanks bro! ;)
-
Sounds good... ;D
Daniel doesn't know anything about the pro world yet...that's why he's motivated. And he's very good.
Daniel Toth is already abusing the fuck out of everrything
-
Daniel Toth is already abusing the fuck out of everrything
I wasn't talking about drugs. LOL!
-
GetBig should all be thanking Steve as he is one of the only Pro's to consistantly post on here under his real identity. I think he has a good head on his shoulders and knows what he wants out of life.
Out of curiosity Steve, what is the most aggressive drug protocol you have used? Would you mind giving us an idea of the different compounds and doses that went into it?
-
GetBig should all be thanking Steve as he is one of the only Pro's to consistantly post on here under his real identity. I think he has a good head on his shoulders and knows what he wants out of life.
Out of curiosity Steve, what is the most aggressive drug protocol you have used? Would you mind giving us an idea of the different compounds and doses that went into it?
Most aggressive??? Let me think...maybe something like this in the offseason in 2006-2008...
-1000 mg Test. Enanthate/week
-600 mg Deca/week
-50 mg dbol/day
-4-5 IU GH/day
and some anti estrogen.
Used insulin for a few months on/off in 2007-2008. Biggest dosage: 2x15-20 IU/day for like 3 weeks, precontest in 2007.
Biggest dosage of Tren: 300-400 mg/week, precontest 2010.
Biggest dosage of Test. Prop: 150 mg/day in the last 10 days before a show in 2007. (Used 100 mg EOD in 2010)
-
good god Steve
-
good god Steve
God with a beard... ;D
-
God with a beard... ;D
shave that shit off
-
shave that shit off
You probably hear that a lot? :D
-
shave that shit off
Nope, because I'm sexy and I know it! LOL!
-
You probably hear that a lot? :D
not as much as your girl asking "are you in yet"
fuck off ;D
-
not as much as your girl asking "are you in yet"
....during anal. :'(
-
BTW...current pic...1 hour ago.
-
Looking fucking large bro !
-
Looking very good still Steve. Thanx again for the advice. I will do as you recommended and will let you know how it turns out. Did you get my pic?
-
Looking fucking large bro !
216 today.
Huge! LOL!
-
Most aggressive??? Let me think...maybe something like this in the offseason in 2006-2008...
-1000 mg Test. Enanthate/week
-600 mg Deca/week
-50 mg dbol/day
-4-5 IU GH/day
and some anti estrogen.
Used insulin for a few months on/off in 2007-2008. Biggest dosage: 2x15-20 IU/day for like 3 weeks, precontest in 2007.
Biggest dosage of Tren: 300-400 mg/week, precontest 2010.
Biggest dosage of Test. Prop: 150 mg/day in the last 10 days before a show in 2007. (Used 100 mg EOD in 2010)
Why did you even bother with slin and 20iu of gh while using such small doses of aas ?
Would be a great ride to be top 6 at the O... But after all those things what I heard from top pros... Well...it doesn't sound good honestly... Still thinking tho. LOL!
Mind sharing some story's?
-
Looking very good still Steve. Thanx again for the advice. I will do as you recommended and will let you know how it turns out. Did you get my pic?
Welcome bro! I'll check out my facebook...getting so much shit... LOL!
-
Mind sharing some story's?
x2
-
216 today.
Huge! LOL!
Looks like 230......nice illusion.
-
Steve, what are you on now in that pic? Also, x3 on sharing stories
-
You look that good on Mickey Mouse dosages and nobody will throw you a small contract to help you compete? Makes no sense.
-
Why did you even bother with slin and 20iu of gh while using such small doses of aas ?
Don't understand ur question, also where did u see 20 IU of GH? Small doses for u...IFBB Pro card and Mr Olympia for me...
Mind sharing some story's?
Mainly drugs and money problems...don't wanna share any stories...
-
Steve, what are you on now in that pic? Also, x3 on sharing stories
300 mg Test. Prop/week.
Yeah...let's start laughing... ;D
But basically I have this size since 2007...pretty easy to maintain.
-
300 mg Test. Prop/week.
Yeah...let's start laughing... ;D
But basically I have this size since 2007...pretty easy to maintain.
Believable you can maintain 215 on that. I always feel like 300mg prop feels better than 500mg enanthate personally.
-
300 mg Test. Prop/week.
Yeah...let's start laughing... ;D
But basically I have this size since 2007...pretty easy to maintain.
So you have found that you can easily maintain your look and size on a small cruise dose of test, even after several years? I keep thinking that I'll shrink like crazy if I switch to a cruise dose of test and lower my hgh dose
-
Believable you can maintain 215 on that. I always feel like 300mg prop feels better than 500mg enanthate personally.
Of course I would need more to grow. But for now it's perfect. I'm pretty full and hard, pretty strong, feelin great and wanna fuck all day.
-
So you have found that you can easily maintain your look and size on a small cruise dose of test, even after several years? I keep thinking that I'll shrink like crazy if I switch to a cruise dose of test and lower my hgh dose
It takes time...but ur body will get used to it... Well at least that happened to me...
When I did my contest season in 2009...we stayed in the US with my wife...with 4 suitcases, and $3000. Didn't know anybody here...no work visa, no car, no apartment, no nothing...
I was off after a pro contest season...for 7 month... No HCG, no clomid, no testosterone booster, no protein powder...nothing... And see, I'm still alive... LOL!
-
It takes time...but ur body will get used to it... Well at least that happened to me...
When I did my contest season in 2009...we stayed in the US with my wife...with 4 suitcases, and $3000. Didn't know anybody here...no work visa, no car, no apartment, no nothing...
I was off after a pro contest season...for 7 month... No HCG, no clomid, no testosterone booster, no protein powder...nothing... And see, I'm still alive... LOL!
You could maintain a decent shape?
-
You could maintain a decent shape?
yea that was really question. For me, I'm just afraid to lower my doses, drop tren, and just switch to a low dose of test (like 300-400mg) and hgh (maybe like 3iu ED). I'm afraid to because I don't want to shrink
-
you cant do nothign with out gh ,, you just wontseperat ethe muscle,, th emuscle go back to its original points of conections,, pecs get closer due to higher body fat and less fibers...same for delts same for anything so you become A BLOOF!
i keep say you cant do bodybuild with out gh when you are over 32 ,, you cant do COMPETETIVE bodybuild with out gh when you are over 24 lol
gh15 approved
-
you cant do nothign with out gh ,, you just wontseperat ethe muscle,, th emuscle go back to its original points of conections,, pecs get closer due to higher body fat and less fibers...same for delts same for anything so you become A BLOOF!
i keep say you cant do bodybuild with out gh when you are over 32 ,, you cant do COMPETETIVE bodybuild with out gh when you are over 24 lol
gh15 approved
suppose I dropped down my testosterona dose from 560mg to 300mg, and dropped trenbolona (currently on 560mg a week), while keeping hgh at 5iu... how long will I maintain my physique?
-
suppose I dropped down my testosterona dose from 560mg to 300mg, and dropped trenbolona (currently on 560mg a week), while keeping hgh at 5iu... how long will I maintain my physique?
if you got gh in system and you are in your 20s...you can keep it on 5 iu wont be as impresive as 10 iu but will be able to maintain for some time ofcourse for good time,,
when i talk no gh i mean no gh ,,either fake or zero iu
gh15 approved
-
Sersiously wtf is the point then if you can't spend thousands on gh every year. I'm starting to get depressed.
-
if you got gh in system and you are in your 20s...you can keep it on 5 iu wont be as impresive as 10 iu but will be able to maintain for some time ofcourse for good time,,
when i talk no gh i mean no gh ,,either fake or zero iu
gh15 approved
ok so as long as I keep my gh as it, I can lower my test and drop tren and maintain for a long time? I will probably do this from april-mid may and then go back on the good stuff so I continue to look like a woman's fantasy over the summer time
-
its very hard to maintain the actual lean muscle and qwuality when lowering doses of trenbolona,, the rest dont matter ,, trenbolona got to be in the right dose and ofcourse gh can be played with but then again in the top amauter profesional they inject gh like its water you drink in the fountain in gymnasium
gh15 approved
-
Sersiously wtf is the point then if you can't spend thousands on gh every year. I'm starting to get depressed.
I have only used GH like 3 or 4 times and only 4ius at the most, and have always had a great build. Dont believe the hype. If you're trying to be some freak pro bb with a huge gut, yeah you need gh.
-
You could maintain a decent shape?
Guess it! ;D
Come on! I haven't even trained some weeks and I was depressed...my goal was to survive, fuck muscles! LOL!
-
Sersiously wtf is the point then if you can't spend thousands on gh every year. I'm starting to get depressed.
Won several bodybuilding shows before I started GH. And yes, when I started, I got better. Of course.
-
1 thing i regret is spent fuck loads of money on aas and not start gh sooner
guys with good legit gh dose either u believe it or not u can grow from 300-500mg prop,,,if play with balonie underdose product no chance ofcourse
-
on a side note after this thread steve is up a lot in my eyes
thx u steve
props
-
Won several bodybuilding shows before I started GH. And yes, when I started, I got better. Of course.
Steve, great physique bro. Total beast while aesthetic and appealing. I always appreciate the opportunity to speak with pros or top amateurs so I was wondering if you could comment on gh. I did a 3 month blast with gh at 10iu ed and unfortunately had to stop for a few months. I have been back on @ 20iu ed, along with 700mg sust and 600mg tren-e per week (also now up to 100mcg T3). I've been getting awesome results. I am very pleased, but am wondering if I am running the gh too high. I can afford to run it at 20ius for at least the next 6 months, if not a full year. What are your thoughts? Should I drop it down? Or should I stay the course since I am making excellent gains? Any insight is really appreciated. If you'd rather talk in PM that'd be great too. Thanks bro.
-
Steve, great physique bro. Total beast while aesthetic and appealing. I always appreciate the opportunity to speak with pros or top amateurs so I was wondering if you could comment on gh. I did a 3 month blast with gh at 10iu ed and unfortunately had to stop for a few months. I have been back on @ 20iu ed, along with 700mg sust and 600mg tren-e per week (also now up to 100mcg T3). I've been getting awesome results. I am very pleased, but am wondering if I am running the gh too high. I can afford to run it at 20ius for at least the next 6 months, if not a full year. What are your thoughts? Should I drop it down? Or should I stay the course since I am making excellent gains? Any insight is really appreciated. If you'd rather talk in PM that'd be great too. Thanks bro.
Bro,
I can help u unfortunately. All those drugs u mentioned...I have never used that much in my life...except the Sust... The GH, T3 are not even close to my dosages...
My opinion is, ur wasting ur money...but ask gh15! ;D
-
Bro,
I can help u unfortunately. All those drugs u mentioned...I have never used that much in my life...except the Sust... The GH, T3 are not even close to my dosages...
My opinion is, ur wasting ur money...but ask gh15! ;D
I hear ya bro. I don't even compete anymore. I just wanted to take the next year or so and just do some outrageous dosages of gh and see what happens.
By the way, any more pics of your wife? ;D
-
I hear ya bro. I don't even compete anymore. I just wanted to take the next year or so and just do some outrageous dosages of gh and see what happens.
By the way, any more pics of your wife? ;D
LOL ;D
-
I hear ya bro. I don't even compete anymore. I just wanted to take the next year or so and just do some outrageous dosages of gh and see what happens.
By the way, any more pics of your wife? ;D
Sure! ;D
-
Nice looking ass 8)
Us, Steve's, have great taste for the ladies
-
Welcome bro! I'll check out my facebook...getting so much shit... LOL!
haha.. I don't wanna know ;D
I sent you a message with a pic when I was stuck. Check your messages
-
bro science at its best.. should have taken the orals earlier than that.. they wont be taking action till the end of his workout
I get mad pumps from taking 10mgs of Dbol 1 hour before training and am stronger , I only use D's for this purpose as cant handle the sides when im runing them in a cycle.
-
lol ok... ::)
QFT
-
I get mad pumps from taking 10mgs of Dbol 1 hour before training and am stronger , I only use D's for this purpose as cant handle the sides when im runing them in a cycle.
is it your stomach ?
-
you cant do nothign with out gh ,, you just wontseperat ethe muscle,, th emuscle go back to its original points of conections,, pecs get closer due to higher body fat and less fibers...same for delts same for anything so you become A BLOOF!
i keep say you cant do bodybuild with out gh when you are over 32 ,, you cant do COMPETETIVE bodybuild with out gh when you are over 24 lol
gh15 approved
Can you please comment on Steves 300mg of prop per week to look like he does in that pic ?
Now I think Steve is a good guy with a great build but also think he is so full of shit his lies make a sewer smell like roses.
No disrespect to Steve of course and the big dose that he says he considered "large" is also utter crap.
No hate on Steve just dont see the need to bullshit on here of all places when it comes to AAS use.
-
I get mad pumps from taking 10mgs of Dbol 1 hour before training and am stronger , I only use D's for this purpose as cant handle the sides when im runing them in a cycle.
dude .. I felt sides at 150 mg a day .. but again.. I only used d-bol
-
is it your stomach ?
No just get out of breath walking up hills - just walking around town as an example = crazy and painfull lower back pumps , same with shins and calfs and if training back my forearms pump up so much i cant close my hands :-\ its not form either as I use enough weight to stimulate the working muscle eg. back so always pull from my elbows to try take bi/forearms out of the movement.. Im just really sensitive to DB - the 10mg before training works well but cycles of 20 - 30mgs then forget it - Im in shock when I see guys saying they run 50 - 100mgs a day, fuck!! :o
-
dude .. I felt sides at 150 mg a day .. but again.. I only used d-bol
Yes I remember you saying this - im like wholly fuck :o - I think it's my bodys chemistry - just really sensitive to it :-\
-
Yes I remember you saying this - im like wholly fuck :o - I think it's my bodys chemistry - just really sensitive to it :-\
I guess so. I am very sensitive also to other stuff.
-
I guess so. I am very sensitive also to other stuff.
cuddly nights in front of the fire and ricky martin ??? ??? ???
-
Can you please comment on Steves 300mg of prop per week to look like he does in that pic ?
Now I think Steve is a good guy with a great build but also think he is so full of shit his lies make a sewer smell like roses.
No disrespect to Steve of course and the big dose that he says he considered "large" is also utter crap.
No hate on Steve just dont see the need to bullshit on here of all places when it comes to AAS use.
U never gonna look like that with 300 mg... But once u look like that...do u think it's possible to maintain it with 300 mg...so basically with a half dosage...? Yes, it's possible!
And yes, maybe u never gonna look like that even with 2500mg and then tryin to maintain it with 1000mg... But that's not my problem bro. ;)
-
U never gonna look like that with 300 mg... But once u look like that...do u think it's possible to maintain it with 300 mg...so basically with a half dosage...? Yes, it's possible!
And yes, maybe u never gonna look like that even with 2500mg and then tryin to maintain it with 1000mg... But that's not my problem bro. ;)
Are those your real doses? ;)
-
;D
BTW...afraid...? Well...afraid or not...what's the point? Please explain me. ;)
You know there's no logical answer. It's stupid to do it for money and no pro REALLY does it for money, even if that may be a side effect for a very select few. And if someone did dope and bodybuilding for money or fame (LOL) then he would be more mentally ill than the one who does it without any hope of monetary return. There are better and easier ways to make money.
You absolutely should not drug yourself anymore since you're questioning the whole thing. But something tells me you haven't got the addiction out of your system yet. Maybe a few more half hearted show preps and then calling it quits? :D
-
You know there's no logical answer. It's stupid to do it for money and no pro REALLY does it for money, even if that may be a side effect for a very select few. And if someone did dope and bodybuilding for money or fame (LOL) then he would be more mentally ill than the one who does it without any hope of monetary return. There are better and easier ways to make money.
You absolutely should not drug yourself anymore since you're questioning the whole thing. But something tells me you haven't got the addiction out of your system yet. Maybe a few more half hearted show preps and then calling it quits? :D
ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iing
-
You know there's no logical answer. It's stupid to do it for money and no pro REALLY does it for money, even if that may be a side effect for a very select few. And if someone did dope and bodybuilding for money or fame (LOL) then he would be more mentally ill than the one who does it without any hope of monetary return. There are better and easier ways to make money.
You absolutely should not drug yourself anymore since you're questioning the whole thing. But something tells me you haven't got the addiction out of your system yet. Maybe a few more half hearted show preps and then calling it quits? :D
Sure. I love the training with a certain goal, the contest prep, everything on time and then posing onstage... One of the coolest things for me. But too many bad and stupid things around this...
-
ziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
That's half hearted for u when ur 4 weeks out before the Olympia and have no money...meanwhile so many fans around the world thinking ur a superstar and a whole country waiting for ur contest.... And ur thinking...let's try it but I'm not gonna have money even for food in Vegas and I'm not gonna have money for rent next month...
Yeah it's pretty funny right...?
Asshole. Think twice before u wanna look cool in the thread. Thanks!
-
That's half hearted for u when ur 4 weeks out before the Olympia and have no money...meanwhile so many fans around the world thinking ur a superstar and a whole country waiting for ur contest.... And ur thinking...let's try it but I'm not gonna have money even for food in Vegas and I'm not gonna have money for rent next month...
Yeah it's pretty funny right...?
Asshole. Think twice before u wanna look cool in the thread. Thanks!
Oh cause I'm the one who wants to look cool, and YOU are the one who thinks he has fans around that world that think he is a superstar ;D
-
Oh cause I'm the one who wants to look cool, and YOU are the one who thinks he has fans around that world that think he is a superstar ;D
take it easy on Steve, hes 5'4" and sucks dick for a "living" no matter what he claims or what his dick sucking "supporters" claim
-
Oh cause I'm the one who wants to look cool, and YOU are the one who thinks he has fans around that world that think he is a superstar ;D
Funny joke from kindergarten...
I know and we know I'm not a superstar...but please tell this those other hundreds of fans who are sending emails to me. Thanks!
Yes, homos too, that's a different story.
-
take it easy on Steve, hes 5'4" and sucks dick for a "living" no matter what he claims or what his dick sucking "supporters" claim
Who told u that bullshit?!
They're sucking my dick. Huge difference bro!
-
Sure! ;D
Thanks :D
-
Funny joke from kindergarten...
I know and we know I'm not a superstar...but please tell this those other hundreds of fans who are sending emails to me. Thanks!
Yes, homos too, that's a different story.
actualy you are a superstar,, you did quite wel as profesional with very little means,, you got placed prety high ,, and as i said before you look better than rodraymond brother,, he just have more means ,, but dont thikn you are any diff than top 6 o...same exact thing less gh and less means,, i have seen your physiqe quite a few time,, when in best shape you have what it take for opens top10 o ,, but...if you have no money to eat and think how to finish the month then its not right ,, im very surprized someone dont take you under their wings as sponsor and pushing you ,, you look BETTER than any 202 clas you should be in the opens,,again when you are in top shape...
gh15 approved
-
HAHA!! That was actually a good one, Steve.
-
actualy you are a superstar,, you did quite wel as profesional with very little means,, you got placed prety high ,, and as i said before you look better than rodraymond brother,, he just have more means ,, but dont thikn you are any diff than top 6 o...same exact thing less gh and less means,, i have seen your physiqe quite a few time,, when in best shape you have what it take for opens top10 o ,, but...if you have no money to eat and think how to finish the month then its not right ,, im very surprized someone dont take you under their wings as sponsor and pushing you ,, you look BETTER than any 202 clas you should be in the opens,,again when you are in top shape...
gh15 approved
^THIS^
-
actualy you are a superstar,, you did quite wel as profesional with very little means,, you got placed prety high ,, and as i said before you look better than rodraymond brother,, he just have more means ,, but dont thikn you are any diff than top 6 o...same exact thing less gh and less means,, i have seen your physiqe quite a few time,, when in best shape you have what it take for opens top10 o ,, but...if you have no money to eat and think how to finish the month then its not right ,, im very surprized someone dont take you under their wings as sponsor and pushing you ,, you look BETTER than any 202 clas you should be in the opens,,again when you are in top shape...
gh15 approved
Appreciate ur kind words bro...but please don't push me to compete again... LOL! ;D
-
Appreciate ur kind words bro...but please don't push me to compete again... LOL! ;D
pussy.
-
U never gonna look like that with 300 mg... But once u look like that...do u think it's possible to maintain it with 300 mg...so basically with a half dosage...? Yes, it's possible!
And yes, maybe u never gonna look like that even with 2500mg and then tryin to maintain it with 1000mg... But that's not my problem bro. ;)
Not sure as I have never used the doses required to get to that look before - so dont know what 300mg would maintain after taking the larger doses , Im just interested in what gh15 had to say as his insight on hormone use is far above others out there. Sure there are other guys that know and have walked the same road but they all still bullshit and lie about it or own (and sell) Supplement Companys, he just tells it as is.
Again no disrespect to you - I think your physique has great balance and a wee bit further down the road and with more $ behind you then you could of really reaped the rewards of all your hard work.
Good to see you put other things in life ahead of Pro BB though , your health for one and your Wife also.
You should try acting - you are good looking and trimmed down a tad more purely for movie audiences you could generate some real interest. Good luck bro :)
-
Not sure as I have never used the doses required to get to that look before - so dont know what 300mg would maintain after taking the larger doses , Im just interested in what gh15 had to say as his insight on hormone use is far above others out there. Sure there are other guys that know and have walked the same road but they all still bullshit and lie about it or own (and sell) Supplement Companys, he just tells it as is.
Again no disrespect to you - I think your physique has great balance and a wee bit further down the road and with more $ behind you then you could of really reaped the rewards of all your hard work.
Good to see you put other things in life ahead of Pro BB though , your health for one and your Wife also.
You should try acting - you are good looking and trimmed down a tad more purely for movie audiences you could generate some real interest. Good luck bro :)
i'll let you know. ive been clean now for 4 weeks. no gh, no anabolics, fat burners etc. prolly the first time i have been without something in my blood for about 6 years? going to start 250mg test blend a wk tomorrow. started to notice today my skin getting 'looser'. dunno how to explain it, but its the first real definitive sign that my body is starting to decline from being anabolic free as my strength is still pretty good.
dunno how long i'll run just 250/wk. and unsure about re-introducing gh. if i do it'll ony be 2iu for anti aging and health benefits.
-
actualy you are a superstar,, you did quite wel as profesional with very little means,, you got placed prety high ,, and as i said before you look better than rodraymond brother,, he just have more means ,, but dont thikn you are any diff than top 6 o...same exact thing less gh and less means,, i have seen your physiqe quite a few time,, when in best shape you have what it take for opens top10 o ,, but...if you have no money to eat and think how to finish the month then its not right ,, im very surprized someone dont take you under their wings as sponsor and pushing you ,, you look BETTER than any 202 clas you should be in the opens,,again when you are in top shape...
gh15 approved
x2...guy hit top 3.
-
i'll let you know. ive been clean now for 4 weeks. no gh, no anabolics, fat burners etc. prolly the first time i have been without something in my blood for about 6 years? going to start 250mg test blend a wk tomorrow. started to notice today my skin getting 'looser'. dunno how to explain it, but its the first real definitive sign that my body is starting to decline from being anabolic free as my strength is still pretty good.
dunno how long i'll run just 250/wk. and unsure about re-introducing gh. if i do it'll ony be 2iu for anti aging and health benefits.
You can keep a lot of your gains running smaller dosages as long as you don`t let your bodyfat get out of control.
As far as strength goes,for me personally, if I`m doing the 70`s on flyes,when on,I`ll be using the 60`s when clean........no biggie IMO,as I go by the old adage,"If it feels heavy,it is heavy" ..................the body only knows either heavy or light,and cannot add or count numbers.
On bigger lifts,I find I lose a bit more strength.......100 pound db inclines,become 85-90 for the reps I used to get on the 100`s......I don`t care as I`m not powerlifting.
As I said earlier,eat a bit cleaner,do a bit of cardio,especially if you see your bodyfat creeping up on you.
I believe Steve uses what he says he does because as my above post states,once you are there,you can easily maintain most of it, if you do it right on lower dosages.
Even when clean,if I don`t let my diet get out of hand too much,I can still look pretty good as long as I watch my bodyfat and don`t get too lazy in the gym or at the table.
EDIT:
Just wanted to add that my cycles are never insanely huge like some of the stupid shit you see posted here.................... so I probably have a lot less to lose that another person who may be running more than I do...........really have no clue how that equals out or if it matters at all actually.
Also,I`ve done any GH so I have no fucking clue!! ;D