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I know that supplements are useless. It took me a while to accept it, because the supp industry had pretty much brainwashed me as a teen.
But would a multi vitamin be beneficial to someone taking hormones? The general adage is that a multi-vitamin is good for your health. And that idea really has nothing to do with the supp industry. Even my primary care doctor has told me on multiple occasions to use a multi.
So what are your opinions on multi vitamins? Fish oil?
Thanks.
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I personally like multi v's.. I take one daily, maybe just out of habit or paranoia lol.. But in all honesty, I really do believe it helps/works, I generally feel better, and NEVER get sick.. But then again, who knows if they really are working man? It's all in the head, I'm sure, but like I said, I like them.
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I take one everyday. I try to take fish oil, vitamen C, and vitamen E every day. I don't get enough fruits and vegetables in my diet.
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I've always heard it's beneficial for replacing vitamins and minerals lost through sweat.
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Juice Plus is a great product. Kind of pricey but there is a knockoff brand now. Anyway, this takes the place of a multi.
Other good things:
Omega 3 Fish Oil
Evening Primrose Oil
Corral Calcium
Potassium
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I take:
Multi-vit/min
Fish oil
Vit C
Mag
8)
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Thanks, it's good to know others take it too here. Because I went the last week without a multi, and I have definitely noticed a couple things since not taking it. Specifically, I have had slightly lower energy, and I have been shitting irregularly lol.
I jumped back on the multi today and everything is feeling better.
I just didn't know if multis were included in the "no supplement" idea. Because I have to be honest, I still use both multis and whey protein, because frankly I find benefits in both of them. I simply have trouble downing egg whites with my schedule (I am constantly on the go and rarely if ever at my home. I literally go 2-3 days without seeing my house for anything except sleep.)
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Mineral balance is much more important. If you eat a lot, you'll get tons of vitamins, unless you just eat fast food. But a lot of times people are pretty badly deficient in minerals and don't know it. Taking a multi v with multi m isn't a terrible idea.
Also, get the organic spendy vitamins that actually digest. Not the carbon shit.
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Mineral balance is much more important. If you eat a lot, you'll get tons of vitamins, unless you just eat fast food. But a lot of times people are pretty badly deficient in minerals and don't know it. Taking a multi v with multi m isn't a terrible idea.
Also, get the organic spendy vitamins that actually digest. Not the carbon shit.
thanks yeah i agree. nothing is worse than the GNC multi vitamins. they use fake b-12, and in fact most of the listings on the back of the bottle indicate that the vitamin is NOT in fact what you think you are taking. for example, the b-12 is listed as "b-12 (in the form of cytomil)" or something like that.
investing in a good organic multi is one practice that i have stuck to from my natural days all the way up until now, my days of mild tren psychosis and bigorexia induced weirdness.
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if you consume enough tasty food (not dry chicken) during a day, then you dont need multi-vit . Not all synthetic vitamin absorb, most them go to the toilet. so if you take a regular blood work and it shows that every thing ok with you, then no need vitamins is all in your head, we been brain wash that multivitamins prolong a life span :)
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if you consume enough tasty food (not dry chicken) during a day, then you dont need multi-vit . Not all synthetic vitamin absorb, most them go to the toilet. so if you take a regular blood work and it shows that every thing ok with you, then no need vitamins is all in your head, we been brain wash that multivitamins prolong a life span :)
i used to get blood work done regularly, and while i was on cycle my blood was NOT all good. when i used to come off, my blood work would go back to "perfect", as my doctor would say. however, one day i said fuck it, and since then i have never come off, only blast and bridge blast and bridge.
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i used to get blood work done regularly, and while i was on cycle my blood was NOT all good. when i used to come off, my blood work would go back to "perfect", as my doctor would say. however, one day i said fuck it, and since then i have never come off, only blast and bridge blast and bridge.
your cycle nothing to do with vitamins, when you on cycle your potassium level and red blood cells elevated, and high SGPT = fatty liver. No reason to do blood work when you on cycle, unless you feel there something wrong with you, you just put your doc to warning mode with out telling him what you are on .
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your cycle nothing to do with vitamins, when you on cycle your potassium level and red blood cells elevated, and high SGPT = fatty liver. No reason to do blood work when you on cycle, unless you feel there something wrong with you, you just put your doc to warning mode with out telling him what you are on .
yeah early on i used to get blood work often because i had pains in my sides. i was really overdoing it on orals 3 years ago, when i was in my "natural" phase. i was taking 150 mg halodrol a day, or 150 mg dianabol daily etc. and my body was paying for it.
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thats why its handy having the steroid clinics over here, go and get your needles, get your values checked if you feel the need and discuss what your taking
i eat a pretty balanced diet so i dont feel the need to take anything other than a vit c everyday, if 3'6'9 caps are on sale i might buy some, but thats about it
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I take:
1. Few multivitamins per day+
2. Vit-C with every meal
3. Mega dose of fish oil with my biggest meal
4. Multiminerals
5. Mega dose magnesium
6. B-complex
+ baby aspirin.
PS. I get awesome deals on these so i don't care if i piss them out...
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vitamins: multi, b-complex, calcium-magn, omega 3-6-9, vit c, and superdrol ;D
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no, and most probably counter productive. undue stress on the body filtering out all those uneeded vitamins, and some of them that are anti-oxidant become pro-oxidant when ingested in excess. eat your veggies, youll be fine. (dont even need to do that though unless ur worried bout being healthy)
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no, and most probably counter productive. undue stress on the body filtering out all those uneeded vitamins, and some of them that are anti-oxidant become pro-oxidant when ingested in excess. eat your veggies, youll be fine. (dont even need to do that though unless ur worried bout being healthy)
if you take the recommended dosage its bad lol 3 multi pills a day really? my piss is green if i do that.. 1 pill suffice
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if you take the recommended dosage its bad lol 3 multi pills a day really? my piss is green if i do that.. 1 pill suffice
a half a pill every few days might be a good idea for somebody that doesnt eat any unprocessed foods
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vitamins: multi, b-complex, calcium-magn, omega 3-6-9, vit c, and superdrol ;D
;D
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Some dumb replies in this thread! I did nutritional science at university & I can assure posters like "Fast lane" that having good quality micro-nutrients in your blood, will give definite benefits, that will not just be in you head!
Do you know how complicated the interactions of Vit E/zinc are alone never mind the myriad of other micro's & trace elements, FFS. The afore mentioned serve a multitude of functions in your body from nerve function & protein synthesis.
Without these elements you will become deficient, you will weaken your immune system from all the training & generally feel like shit!
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Without these elements you will become deficient,
without calories you will die
doesnt mean you have to eat 10,000 a day to stay alive
vitamins and mminerals are vital.. but not in the amounts and combinations seen in the standard multi vitamin.
a bowl of mixed veggies, some meat and essential fats per day.. no need for anything else.
pretty much every vitamins and mineral has a threshold level where they start to become exactly counterproductive, and its not very high. look at the amounts of vitamins in fresh, raw health foods like veggies.. and think about the evolutionary implications.. if we needed more, we wouldnt be here.
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Some dumb replies in this thread! I did nutritional science at university & I can assure posters like "Fast lane" that having good quality micro-nutrients in your blood, will give definite benefits, that will not just be in you head!
Do you know how complicated the interactions of Vit E/zinc are alone never mind the myriad of other micro's & trace elements, FFS. The afore mentioned serve a multitude of functions in your body from nerve function & protein synthesis.
Without these elements you will become deficient, you will weaken your immune system from all the training & generally feel like shit!
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Without a doubt, I agree with you bro. I can assure you that I have plenty of nutrients, seeing as how I eat all organic lol
Anyways, I was just stating that I always like to take a multi.. your right, I most definitely do not need it, but like I said in my post, it's just a mental thing for me.. yes, I'm fucked in the head lol 8)
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Tbumbz, the resident expert on fuck all speaks.
You are a clowm of the highest order. Modern agro-farming & organo-phosphates/not letting soil rest between crops
& all you need is some meat & veggies?? We can see you studied nutritional science, LOLOLOLOL
Idiot.
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Tbumbz, which fat soluble vitamins become toxic in high doses & what is the daily cut off point in a male of 85kg that is recognised by science??
There I have been taking 3000mg of vitC daily & all I needed was a bowl of mixed veggies from Walmart. Boy do I feel fucking stupid.
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Animal pack is a great product IMO
http://www.animalpak.com/html/sections.cfm?ID=7 (http://www.animalpak.com/html/sections.cfm?ID=7)
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LOL at Tay-tay, posting that shit right after the thread in G&O!!
& some one in that thread said he knows more about BB'ing than most, ppffftttttt!! I clearly stated that I did nutritional science at uni, still he talks shit right after me like he knows the 1st thing about nutrition. I shall have to quote that post in the G&O thread. Un-fucking-believable. Filthy little untermensch
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Multi vitamins are totally useless except if your have special disease.
But all the multivitamins you see that are selling for "athlete" are totally crap. Much are way to much overdose they put 500% more than required and they think you ll buy it cause if you ll say to yourself wawoo 500% more excellent ! because they know that most of "athlete" think more = better.
If you really think you need multi vitamin only the pharmaceutical grade are good and low dose. Juice plus is ok.
But you really don't need it.
At the end its your money.
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Animal pack is a great product IMO
http://www.animalpak.com/html/sections.cfm?ID=7 (http://www.animalpak.com/html/sections.cfm?ID=7)
Orange triad is better.
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I take:
Multi
B-Complex
Fish oil
Coq10
Vitamin D
Red Yeast Rice
Milk Thistle
Vitamin E
Zinc
Saw Palmetto
Glucosamine
FACT:There is no supplement safer and more effective for bringing down lipids than Red Yeast Rice. I have the bloodwork to prove it. 1200mgs daily.
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if you think your gonna get all you need out of the food you eat every day then ide think again..
there is no way you can do it ...
this is what i have every day..there is no way i could get this every day out of the food i eat..
1 of each every day,
1 multi vit,
1 calcium with vit D3,
1 vit-C,
1 cod liver oil omega 3,
1 creatine.
i also get good deals where i shop so it dont cost that much ..pluss i only bye the BIG tubs, 250's or 500's
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Animal pack is a great product IMO
http://www.animalpak.com/html/sections.cfm?ID=7 (http://www.animalpak.com/html/sections.cfm?ID=7)
i think so aswell..
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Tbumbz, the resident expert on fuck all speaks.
You are a clowm of the highest order. Modern agro-farming & organo-phosphates/not letting soil rest between crops
& all you need is some meat & veggies?? We can see you studied nutritional science, LOLOLOLOL
Idiot.
PT
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This.
Modern fruits and vegies produced with western tech& farming practices have jack shit worth of vitamins in them.
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FACT:There is no supplement safer and more effective for bringing down lipids than Red Yeast Rice. I have the bloodwork to prove it. 1200mgs daily.
I thought I read somewhere that there was negative effects from RYR? Actually, I KNOW I read it somewhere, but can't remember what it was.. I definitely agree that it's "supposed" to help with cholesterol levels, but aren't celery seed and grape seed better for that? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I thought I read somewhere that there was negative effects from RYR? Actually, I KNOW I read it somewhere, but can't remember what it was.. I definitely agree that it's "supposed" to help with cholesterol levels, but aren't celery seed and grape seed better for that? Correct me if I'm wrong.
Before I started using RYR my total cholesterol fluctuated between 210 and 220 for the past few years. I started using 1200mgs daily, the amount used in a study I read on it, and three months later my total cholesterol went from 220 to 170. I just had another CBC Chem Panel done and my total cholesterol was 160. During this time I have not changed my diet AT ALL. I have not done any more cardio then I have previously done. RYR can deplete coq10 production as a statin would and that is why I supplement with coq10 daily. My tryglicerides are in the 80's and my HDL is in the 50's. I have not experienced any negative sides from RYR. No muscle aches or any other sides commonly associated with pharmaceutical statins. If you can find a study that claims RYR is dangerous in any way go ahead and post it. I seriously doubt you will though.
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Before I started using RYR my total cholesterol was fluctuated between 210 and 220 for the past few years. I started using 1200mgs daily, the amount used in a study I read on it, and three months later my total cholesterol went from 220 to 170. I just had another CBC Chem Panel done and my total cholesterol was 160. During this time I have not changed my diet AT ALL. I have not done any more cardio then I have previously done. RYR can deplete coq10 production as a statin would and that is why I supplement with coq10 daily. My tryglicerides are in the 80's and my HDL is in the 50's. I have not experienced any negative sides from RYR. No muscle aches or any other sides commonly associated with pharmaceutical statins. If you can find a study that claims RYR is dangerous in any way go ahead and post it. I seriously doubt you will though.
No that was it, good work...Basically, just lowering coq10, but since your supplementing with it, that's perfect.. Thanks brotha!!
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RYR is only dangerous in pregnant women (higher risk of miscarriage, i was told by a doc at the red cross blood donation), small children and not recommended for those who have muscle loss deceases. For adult males, it's very beneficial.
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if you think your gonna get all you need out of the food you eat every day then ide think again..
there is no way you can do it ...
this is what i have every day..there is no way i could get this every day out of the food i eat..
1 of each every day,
1 multi vit,
1 calcium with vit D3,
1 vit-C,
1 cod liver oil omega 3,
1 creatine.
i also get good deals where i shop so it dont cost that much ..pluss i only bye the BIG tubs, 250's or 500's
your pissing all those vitamins out a couple hours after taking them, body isnt going to use all that - the omega 3 is good for health though, cant get enough of those.. should take like 20-30, not just one.
This.
Modern fruits and vegies produced with western tech& farming practices have jack shit worth of vitamins in them.
meat from grain fed animals lack the omega fats they would normally have, fruits and vegeables still contain all the vitamins and nnutrients they always have, sometimes even more (genetically modified to carrry more)
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your pissing all those vitamins out a couple hours after taking them, body isnt going to use all that - the omega 3 is good for health though, cant get enough of those.. should take like 20-30, not just one.
meat from grain fed animals lack the omega fats they would normally have, fruits and vegeables still contain all the vitamins and nnutrients they always have, sometimes even more (genetically modified to carrry more)
No, they dont.
Here for the example is nutritional info for apple, notice how it contains jack shit worth of vitamins and minerals.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1809/2
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No, they dont.
Here for the example is nutritional info for apple, notice how it contains jack shit worth of vitamins and minerals.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1809/2
and that iss the exact same nutrient profile for every apple, whether its a regular plain old apple grown with pesticides, chemical fertilizers, has additives, etc... or its a 100% purely natural organic apple.
which is exactly why multivtamins, which give you about 100 times the quantity and 30 times the variety of vitamins and minerals (300 times more nutrients total) than that apple.... are fucking insanely excessive.
trust me bro, your pissing 99.999% of that multi vitamin out a few hours after taking it, stressing out your organs in the process, and probably taking those usually anti-oxidant compounds and by taking them in excess achieving a pro-oxidant effect.
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your pissing all those vitamins out a couple hours after taking them, body isnt going to use all that - the omega 3 is good for health though, cant get enough of those.. should take like 20-30, not just one.
meat from grain fed animals lack the omega fats they would normally have, fruits and vegeables still contain all the vitamins and nnutrients they always have, sometimes even more (genetically modified to carrry more)
LOL, beware of those papercuts you may bleed to death, 20 - 30 ::)
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Let's start with vit D shall we.
Vitamin D is a fat-soluble vitamin that is naturally present in very few foods, added to others, and available as a dietary supplement. It is also produced endogenously when ultraviolet rays from sunlight strike the skin and trigger vitamin D synthesis. Vitamin D obtained from sun exposure, food, and supplements is biologically inert and must undergo two hydroxylations in the body for activation. The first occurs in the liver and converts vitamin D to 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D], also known as calcidiol. The second occurs primarily in the kidney and forms the physiologically active 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D [1,25(OH)2D], also known as calcitriol [1].
Vitamin D promotes calcium absorption in the gut and maintains adequate serum calcium and phosphate concentrations to enable normal mineralization of bone and to prevent hypocalcemic tetany. It is also needed for bone growth and bone remodeling by osteoblasts and osteoclasts [1,2]. Without sufficient vitamin D, bones can become thin, brittle, or misshapen. Vitamin D sufficiency prevents rickets in children and osteomalacia in adults [1]. Together with calcium, vitamin D also helps protect older adults from osteoporosis.
Vitamin D has other roles in the body, including modulation of cell growth, neuromuscular and immune function, and reduction of inflammation [1,3,4]. Many genes encoding proteins that regulate cell proliferation, differentiation, and apoptosis are modulated in part by vitamin D [1]. Many cells have vitamin D receptors, and some convert 25(OH)D to 1,25(OH)2D.
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I take one.
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and that iss the exact same nutrient profile for every apple, whether its a regular plain old apple grown with pesticides, chemical fertilizers, has additives, etc... or its a 100% purely natural organic apple.
which is exactly why multivtamins, which give you about 100 times the quantity and 30 times the variety of vitamins and minerals (300 times more nutrients total) than that apple.... are fucking insanely excessive.
trust me bro, your pissing 99.999% of that multi vitamin out a few hours after taking it, stressing out your organs in the process, and probably taking those usually anti-oxidant compounds and by taking them in excess achieving a pro-oxidant effect.
Woops, Tay-tay talks with out thinking yet again ::)
An agro-farmed Orange from Spain, will have the same nutrient profile as one that is grown on an organic citrus farm, in Portugal, where the farmer lets the land sit between crops & adds compost :-\
Think very carefully before you answer this one Tbumbz :D
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How does it work??
Vitamin E is an important vitamin required for the proper function of many organs in the body. It is also an antioxidant. This means it helps to slow down processes that damage cells.
Vitamin E is a vitamin that dissolves in fat. It is found in many foods including vegetable oils, cereals, meat, poultry, eggs, fruits, vegetables, and wheat germ oil. It is also available as a supplement.
Vitamin E is used for treating vitamin E deficiency, which is rare, but can occur in people with certain genetic disorders and in very low-weight premature infants.
Some people use vitamin E for treating and preventing diseases of the heart and blood vessels including hardening of the arteries, heart attack, chest pain, leg pain due to blocked arteries, and high blood pressure.
Vitamin E is also used for treating diabetes and its complications. It is used for preventing cancer, particularly lung and oral cancer in smokers; colorectal cancer and polyps; and gastric, prostate, and pancreatic cancer.
Some people use vitamin E for diseases of the brain and nervous system including Alzheimer’s disease and other dementias, Parkinson’s disease, night cramps, restless leg syndrome, and for epilepsy, along with other medications. Vitamin E is also used for Huntington’s chorea, and other disorders involving nerves and muscles.
Women use vitamin E for preventing complications in late pregnancy due to high blood pressure (pre-eclampsia), premenstrual syndrome (PMS), painful periods, menopausal syndrome, hot flashes associated with breast cancer, and breast cysts.
Sometimes vitamin E is used to lessen the harmful effects of medical treatments such as dialysis and radiation. It is also used to reduce unwanted side effects of drugs such as hair loss in people taking doxorubicin and lung damage in people taking amiodarone.
Vitamin E is sometimes used for improving physical endurance, increasing energy, reducing muscle damage after exercise, and improving muscle strength.
Vitamin E is also used for cataracts, asthma, respiratory infections, skin disorders, aging skin, sunburns, cystic fibrosis, infertility, impotence, chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS), peptic ulcers, for certain inherited diseases and to prevent allergies.
Some people apply vitamin E to their skin to keep it from aging and to protect against the skin effects of chemicals used for cancer therapy (chemotherapy).
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Lets say we go for the bench mark of E 400iu EOD for the active male over 30.
Eye Health
Vitamin E (400 IU) appears to work with other antioxidants including zinc (80 mg), beta-carotene (15mg), and vitamin C (500 mg) to protect against developing macular degeneration (AMD), the leading cause of legal blindness in people over 55 in the United States. The people who seem to benefit are those with advanced AMD. It isn't known whether this combination of nutrients helps prevent AMD or is beneficial for people with less advanced AMD.
Uveitis is another eye disorder for which the antioxidant vitamins C and E may be helpful. Uveitis is inflammation of the uvea, the middle layer of the eye between the sclera (white outer coat of the eye) and the retina. A clinical study of 130 people with uveitis found that those who took these vitamins had clearer vision than those who took placebo.
Read more: http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/vitamin-e-000341.htm#ixzz1kwX9IDPm
Now, please do tell me which foods in which combination will provide the equivalent of the above 400iu EOD
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LOL, beware of those papercuts you may bleed to death, 20 - 30 ::)
yup, or even more. certain progressive docs prescribe patients upwards nof 50 grams per day for certain ailments. and alot of mental hospitals use similar doses to treat a variety of psychiatric disorders.
Woops, Tay-tay talks with out thinking yet again ::)
An agro-farmed Orange from Spain, will have the same nutrient profile as one that is grown on an organic citrus farm, in Portugal, where the farmer lets the land sit between crops & adds compost :-\
Think very carefully before you answer this one Tbumbz :D
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why dont you google it and find out for yourself.
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why dont you google it and find out for yourself.
Answre = You have no clue, hahaha
Thought so, idiot.
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