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.. that has clouded the minds of today's bodybuilding practitioners and fans alike. If you are blind to what's going on maybe you need a reminder, or a "wake up call".
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I agree
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I will detail my point for all the retards who support modern preggo bodybuilders:
You will never EVER be able to bet big enough no matter how big you get to create the ILLUSION of size to the human mind.
Your differential between waist shoulders, overall proportions etc are the points of reference.
It is MUCH easier to create illusion with a tighter slimmer waist and less mass than preggo waist and no matter how much mass.
If you loose the waist as in chiseled and sculpted and ripped say BYE BYE to the optical ILLUSION.
If you have a different point of view it means you did not GRASP what bodybuilding is no matter how long you've been at it.
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No driveways to seal today?
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To demonstrate this, I challenge GROINK to full body pics once I am where I wanna be which is in 3-4 weeks I believe.
We have different genetics. He is much more "gifted" because I take double his test and the same quantity of tren and while I will be shredded at 190lbs he cand stay at 240lbs. But this is not about hormonas and hgh abusers who lie.
This is about how I will look SO much better with my perfect waist and 190lbs of ripedness compared to a barrell waisted 240lbs Groink.
;D
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arms look the same size, gut not so much :D
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Uberman ,haha
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there are no chances you re ever going to look like any of these guys anyway, old or recent.
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Uberman ,haha
;D
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I will detail my point for all the retards who support modern preggo bodybuilders:
You will never EVER be able to bet big enough no matter how big you get to create the ILLUSION of size to the human mind.
Your differential between waist shoulders, overall proportions etc are the points of reference.
It is MUCH easier to create illusion with a tighter slimmer waist and less mass than preggo waist and no matter how much mass.
If you loose the waist as in chiseled and sculpted and ripped say BYE BYE to the optical ILLUSION.
If you have a different point of view it means you did not GRASP what bodybuilding is no matter how long you've been at it.
Good post!
I remember this young kid on Mayhem years ago who said he would not compete until he reached 270 pounds............I simply told him,good luck!
::)
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I will detail my point for all the retards who support modern preggo bodybuilders:
You will never EVER be able to bet big enough no matter how big you get to create the ILLUSION of size to the human mind.
Your differential between waist shoulders, overall proportions etc are the points of reference.
It is MUCH easier to create illusion with a tighter slimmer waist and less mass than preggo waist and no matter how much mass.
If you loose the waist as in chiseled and sculpted and ripped say BYE BYE to the optical ILLUSION.
If you have a different point of view it means you did not GRASP what bodybuilding is no matter how long you've been at it.
Very good post..
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both pics are shopped
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To demonstrate this, I challenge GROINK to full body pics once I am where I wanna be which is in 3-4 weeks I believe.
We have different genetics. He is much more "gifted" because I take double his test and the same quantity of tren and while I will be shredded at 190lbs he cand stay at 240lbs. But this is not about hormonas and hgh abusers who lie.
This is about how I will look SO much better with my perfect waist and 190lbs of ripedness compared to a barrell waisted 240lbs Groink.
;D
you change your tune every week
you haven't been in shape for 6 years
good luck this time :)
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it's because of industrial food production and plastics
estrogen and all kinds of other poisons to the max
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Have to agree with the comments here. Sadly, Nothing we can do about it.
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Becoming a minimalist can help rid the mind of excess
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.. that has clouded the minds of today's bodybuilding practitioners and fans alike. If you are blind to what's going on maybe you need a reminder, or a "wake up call".
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403082_215312568559941_121703811254151_455241_810730663_n.jpg)
good post sev
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Alexy looks good.
You twinks will kill to have his mass.
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Good post!
I remember this young kid on Mayhem years ago who said he would not compete until he reached 270 pounds............I simply told him,good luck!
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In my senior yr in college, I told a female classmate that I wanted 21 inch arms...she said, "Why, would it change who you are or your perception of reality?"
she had a good point, and saying "because it would be cool", sounded really, really stupid.
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In my senior yr in college, I told a female classmate that I wanted 21 inch arms...she said, "Why, would it change who you are or your perception of reality?"
she had a good point, and saying "because it would be cool", sounded really, really stupid.
You were in school with the female version of Morpheus.
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Alexy looks good.
You twinks will kill to have his mass.
THIS.
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In my senior yr in college, I told a female classmate that I wanted 21 inch arms...she said, "Why, would it change who you are or your perception of reality?"
she had a good point, and saying "because it would be cool", sounded really, really stupid.
Bet she majored in Early 16th Century Philosophy and is now "occupying" somewhere. What do broads know?
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Looks like hes going bald. :D ;D
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Bet she majored in Early 16th Century Philosophy and is now "occupying" somewhere. What do broads know?
She and I were student teachers, by now she prolly is a Admin or Principal. She was unimpressed by my bbing goals at the time. The type of woman most of us need...You were in school with the female version of Morpheus.
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she couldn't be more right. You spend all your time chasing 21s, and when you get them, all you have is big arms...and you can't fit into any shirts (especially at 5'5).
Damn, chica saw the future of bbing
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She and I were student teachers, by now she prolly is a Admin or Principal. She was unimpressed by my bbing goals at the time. The type of woman most of us need... ;D
She would bore you to tears within 6 months.
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Good post!
I remember this young kid on Mayhem years ago who said he would not compete until he reached 270 pounds............I simply told him,good luck!
::)
Franco AKA Bulldog1 is missed! ;)
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lol @ uberman1.jpg
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To demonstrate this, I challenge GROINK to full body pics once I am where I wanna be which is in 3-4 weeks I believe.
We have different genetics. He is much more "gifted" because I take double his test and the same quantity of tren and while I will be shredded at 190lbs he cand stay at 240lbs. But this is not about hormonas and hgh abusers who lie.
This is about how I will look SO much better with my perfect waist and 190lbs of ripedness compared to a barrell waisted 240lbs Groink.
;D
::) just post a pic and shut the fuck up already. you've been "telling' us about your body for three months now...nobody cares.
and you can "challenge" me all day long...i don't do requests..i'm not a fucking DJ at a wedding
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All of that gear and his calves still look like shit.
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For a variety of reasons, including just being a lazy ass, I have not been to the gym in over a month. Moreover, since I had back trouble in December and was going to physical therapy, I dialed my workout way back in terms of how much weight I was lifting. Anyway, I find that when I am out of that environment, my perspective changes. Guys who looked normal start looking like overblown hulks. So, now I am considering slimming down even more than I have these past couple of months. I was 201 lbs. this morning. A couple of months ago, when I was working out six days a week, drinking several protein drinks a day and eating four or five times a day, I weighed near 220 lbs. Honestly, I believe I could weigh in at 175 or 180 and probably look better. Not only that, I could buy a new wardrobe.
Many of the competitive bodybuilders today are really monster muscle freaks who almost look inhuman when you look at them from a normal perspective. Maybe it's my age (old) but I'd rather be healthy, Slim and fit then hugely muscled and probably sick.
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2 years ago this guy was Sev's wet dream. Sad to see love go bad.
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He's just got better genetics than Serge
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2 years ago this guy was Sev's wet dream. Sad to see love go bad.
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.. that has clouded the minds of today's bodybuilding practitioners and fans alike. If you are blind to what's going on maybe you need a reminder, or a "wake up call".
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403082_215312568559941_121703811254151_455241_810730663_n.jpg)
good post. Alexei looks absolutely disgusting. Who the fuck would want to look like that? Even for one week I would be depressed being that fat
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good post. Alexei looks absolutely disgusting. Who the fuck would want to look like that? Even for one week I would be depressed being that fat
he's going for the tank look
strong as an elephant
maybe he should turn to powerlifting than he can bulk his guts out
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id rather look like alexey than serge, sev.. minus the height difference.
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Franco AKA Bulldog1 is missed! ;)
;D
Franco was the man....real cool guy on MM.
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Ideal physique.... best IMO
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=412823.0;attach=455698;image)
thing is without genetics no drugs can give you that, and people do not want to expect that Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder....
but genetic wise.... not many should even be on a pro stage..or even lift
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but drugs can give you this...
that is why most look like this
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id rather look like alexey than serge, sev.. minus the height difference.
You would also rather suck Tyrone penis than fuck Sofia Vergara in the butt.
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not many should even be on a pro stage..or even lift
So if someone doesn't have Serge's genetics, they shouldn't even lift? ::)
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Ideal physique.... best IMO
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=412823.0;attach=455698;image)
thing is without genetics no drugs can give you that, and people do not want to expect that Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder....
but genetic wise.... not many should even be on a pro stage..or even lift
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but drugs can give you this...
that is why most look like this
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403082_215312568559941_121703811254151_455241_810730663_n.jpg)
apples and oranges.
Alexy is really short and stubby. He wouldn't look like Serge no matter what. He either goes for pure mass or don't bodybuild.
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getbig
the internet hate machine :D
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So if someone doesn't have Serge's genetics, they shouldn't even lift? ::)
not what i meant
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You would also rather suck Tyrone penis than fuck Sofia Vergara in the butt.
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You would also rather suck Tyrone penis than fuck Sofia Vergara in the butt.
OUCH
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So if someone doesn't have Serge's genetics, they shouldn't even lift? ::)
from what we have seen on the pro stage these days .... squite a few bber dont belong there because in essence anyone with a liitle above genetics can take whatever and somehow end up on stage example point dan hill,
whereas with a real sport basket ball .... football etc..... if you dont have the ability you cant buy it in a bottle syringe or whatever
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....Even for one week I would be depressed being that fat
LOL
Same here bro
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::) just post a pic and shut the fuck up already. you've been "telling' us about your body for three months now...nobody cares.
and you can "challenge" me all day long...i don't do requests..i'm not a fucking DJ at a wedding
This guy can't even see that he is hmosexual.
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You would also rather suck Tyrone penis than fuck Sofia Vergara in the butt.
googled her, pretty fat chance there bro. but you can have your fantasies.. :)
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From this :
(http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/2009/09-123-training/01.jpg)
To this :
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=402682.0;attach=443633;image)
And they call evolution??? :-[
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well, if they stood next to each other serge would look like a swimmer.
there are pros and cons. just depends on what you prefer.
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well, if they stood next to each other serge would look like a swimmer.
there are pros and cons. just depends on what you prefer.
C`mon Taylor......bodybuilding used to be considered an artform.........todays guys look like a Picaso abstract!
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C`mon Taylor......bodybuilding used to be considered an artform.........todays guys look like a Picaso abstract!
id prefer a statue of ronnie coleman to a statue of serge nubret, just my personal taste..
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id prefer a statue of ronnie coleman to a statue of serge nubret, just my personal taste..
I hear ya` bro,that`s because you are young and were brought up seeing these types of builds when you got into it.
I could go on,but you know how everyone thinks their era is/was the best so I won`t.
To each his own! ;)
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well, if they stood next to each other serge would look like a swimmer.
there are pros and cons. just depends on what you prefer.
Tbombz answer to this:
A Ferrari would look tiny next to a Hummmer!!!
But which one would like to drive???
Tyra Banks would look tiny next to Queen Latifah!!!
But which one would you like to fuck???
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::) just post a pic and shut the fuck up already. you've been "telling' us about your body for three months now...nobody cares.
and you can "challenge" me all day long...i don't do requests..i'm not a fucking DJ at a wedding
It's ok Groink. No need for you to post more pics since there are plenty floating around. I will compare upper-body with you only since when it come to leg development you are let's just say: fragile.
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Tbombz answer to this:
A Ferrari would look tiny next to a Hummmer!!!
But which one would like to drive???
Tyra Banks would look tiny next to Queen Latifah!!!
But which one would you like to fuck???
Good analogies! ;)
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From this :
(http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/2009/09-123-training/01.jpg)
To this :
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=402682.0;attach=443633;image)
And they call evolution??? :-[
#2 bodybuilder in the world VS #376 bodybuilder in the world
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Tbombz answer to this:
A Ferrari would look tiny next to a Hummmer!!!
But which one would like to drive???
Tyra Banks would look tiny next to Queen Latifah!!!
But which one would you like to fuck???
no homo?
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It's ok Groink. No need for you to post more pics since there are plenty floating around. I will compare upper-body with you only since when it come to leg development you are let's just say: fragile.
post the squat video
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It's ok Groink. No need for you to post more pics since there are plenty floating around. I will compare upper-body with you only since when it come to leg development you are let's just say: fragile.
how about you post one fucking pic, and shut up already with what you are "gonna" do ::)
Like you say yourself...you are an "illusion" you have no real muscle..if we were in the SAME picture, you would look like an AIDS victim standing next to me, because you are weak and feeble.
Here's my prediction for Sev's "cycle" ::) something goes tragically "wrong" in a few weeks, he gets a mystery infection, or a safe falls out of a window and lands on his foot.... and he can't train anymore.
And we never see a single picture ;) have fun with your imaginary cycle Sev ::)
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id prefer a statue of ronnie coleman to a statue of serge nubret, just my personal taste..
I get that everyone has their preferences. Does ones health not make a difference? Excessive bodyweight, regardless of whether it's from muscle or fat is hard on ones health. These monster big dudes are sometimes really unhealthy. Their hearts and kidneys are often at risk of failure. Sure on the outside they look like superheros, but inside they are anything but that.
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I get that everyone has their preferences. Does ones health not make a difference? Excessive bodyweight, regardless of whether it's from muscle or fat is hard on ones health. These monster big dudes are sometimes really unhealthy. Their hearts and kidneys are often at risk of failure. Sure on the outside they look like superheros, but inside they are anything but that.
no doubt that they are putting their life on the line for that elusive sandow trophy
sometimes i like to believe that you have more chance to look like a random drug pig you see on stage nowadays than serge nubret
that's just 1 in a billion genetics to have that kind of shapes and lines
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Nothing imaginary brother ... pure owning to come ;D
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#2 bodybuilder in the world VS #376 3765 bodybuilder in the world
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just saying, not a fair comparison at all
some current bodybuilders look great
brandon curry
lionel beyeka
dexter jackson (he's probably past his prime, but look at 2008 and before, absolutely magnificent)
serge nubret is one of those freaks of nature when it comes to lines and shapes, can't expect to find this every dinasty
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how about you post one fucking pic, and shut up already with what you are "gonna" do ::)
Like you say yourself...you are an "illusion" you have no real muscle..if we were in the SAME picture, you would look like an AIDS victim standing next to me, because you are weak and feeble.
Here's my prediction for Sev's "cycle" ::) something goes tragically "wrong" in a few weeks, he gets a mystery infection, or a safe falls out of a window and lands on his foot.... and he can't train anymore.
And we never see a single picture ;) have fun with your imaginary cycle Sev ::)
What would you keep in a safe in Romania?
Your shoes?
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I agree, I dont find the large/full waist attractive, none of these guys can even pull a vacuum for fucks sake.
@wes, can you post a pic of that dude in yur avi ? i always see it and wonder who it is lol
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The fags love the BIG boys.
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suppose you want to be muscular, you should not exceed this, if, everyone sees you as a stupid all the arms and nothing in the brain.you can juice but intelligently
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Alexy looks good.
You twinks will kill to have his mass.
no some of us actually would not....lol....
i have competed as a junior... got to be friends with a lot of top amateurs and some pro's at that time....
i saw what needed to be done to compete at the highest levels , these days it's sick!
after that i just trained for myself.... be in shape... somewhat big...
i would like to compete, but today i hate the look of most bodybuilders... and judges award the stumpy look...
me being a tad under 6'3 , well i am screwed... lol...
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I agree, I dont find the large/full waist attractive, none of these guys can even pull a vacuum for fucks sake.
@wes, can you post a pic of that dude in yur avi ? i always see it and wonder who it is lol
Here ya` go....it`s Frank Zane.
(http://www.davedraper.com/pmwiki/uploads//PmWiki/FrankZane.jpg)
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And they call evolution??? :-[[/b]
(http://darwin-online.org.uk/graphics/Darwin1881s.jpg)
Clearly spinning in his grave as we speak.
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I'd much rather look like Serge or Frank.
Good points Sev.
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Tbombz answer to this:
A Ferrari would look tiny next to a Hummmer!!!
But which one would like to drive???
on the freeway, in the city, in a muddy cow pasture, or in the mountains?
Tyra Banks would look tiny next to Queen Latifah!!!
But which one would you like to fuck???
men usually prefer smaller women to larger ones. women usually consider larger men to be more attractive to smaller ones
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I get that everyone has their preferences. Does ones health not make a difference? Excessive bodyweight, regardless of whether it's from muscle or fat is hard on ones health. These monster big dudes are sometimes really unhealthy. Their hearts and kidneys are often at risk of failure. Sure on the outside they look like superheros, but inside they are anything but that.
were all dying anyways. your a couple seconds to closer to death after reading these few words
(http://www.bodybuildingsecretslive.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/zane-ruhl-300x248.jpg)
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I will detail my point for all the retards who support modern preggo bodybuilders:
You will never EVER be able to bet big enough no matter how big you get to create the ILLUSION of size to the human mind.
Your differential between waist shoulders, overall proportions etc are the points of reference.
It is MUCH easier to create illusion with a tighter slimmer waist and less mass than preggo waist and no matter how much mass.
If you loose the waist as in chiseled and sculpted and ripped say BYE BYE to the optical ILLUSION.
If you have a different point of view it means you did not GRASP what bodybuilding is no matter how long you've been at it.
x2
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In my senior yr in college, I told a female classmate that I wanted 21 inch arms...she said, "Why, would it change who you are or your perception of reality?"
she had a good point, and saying "because it would be cool", sounded really, really stupid.
On the face of it, it sorta does, but her question was kind of stupid as well. So what if getting 21" arms didn't "change who you were" or altered your "perception of reality." Winning the Superbowl didn't change who Tom Brady was -- not apart from a ring and reputation. And I rather doubt it really affected the way he understands the world. Does that mean winning the Superbowl (or whatever other championship) isn't worthwhile? Or how about making a million dollars?
I understand her point. To an extent, it's not awful (obvious bifurcation aside). Having big arms doesn't make us better people or provides us with any great insight. But building them is still fun :) Having a goal, even a selfish, cosmetic one, can be healthy if only for the process, the journey (sounds corny, I know).
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I think the OP makes a good point about his opinion, but addresses it the wrong way.
First of all, you take 2 bodybuilders of different heights, different genetics, different access to drugs, and different levels of competition and compare them.
You can't take an NFL linemen from 50 years ago and expect him to compete in todays game can you?
The "beauty" of bodybuilding is gone in many aspects, sure. However, if you want to compete at the highest levels of todays competition than you need to do what is necessary to compete there.
Besides, if you want to try and look like Serge Nubret because thats your personal preference then go for it! I doubt anyone will get there because they are not in fact Serge. However, a smiliar look is achievable and if thats what you want then go for that look. You may or may not be successful in todays competitive bodybuilding realm, but if you don't want to look like a modern day bodybuilder then uuuuummmm don't! lol.
However, if you want to be top of the top in TODAYS bodybuilding comps... then you need to stop focusing on how you want to look and start focusing on the look that is going to win.
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I think the OP makes a good point about his opinion, but addresses it the wrong way.
First of all, you take 2 bodybuilders of different heights, different genetics, different access to drugs, and different levels of competition and compare them.
You can't take an NFL linemen from 50 years ago and expect him to compete in todays game can you?
The "beauty" of bodybuilding is gone in many aspects, sure. However, if you want to compete at the highest levels of todays competition than you need to do what is necessary to compete there.
Besides, if you want to try and look like Serge Nubret because thats your personal preference then go for it! I doubt anyone will get there because they are not in fact Serge. However, a smiliar look is achievable and if thats what you want then go for that look. You may or may not be successful in todays competitive bodybuilding realm, but if you don't want to look like a modern day bodybuilder then uuuuummmm don't! lol.
However, if you want to be top of the top in TODAYS bodybuilding comps... then you need to stop focusing on how you want to look and start focusing on the look that is going to win.
THIS.. great post, btw
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The fags love the BIG boys.
Or the big boys love the fags.
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What would you keep in a safe in Romania?
Your shoes?
Sev keeps his best lies in there, for when he needs them the most.
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id prefer a statue of ronnie coleman to a statue of serge nubret, just my personal taste..
You are a fucking idiot.
So we expect you to say stuff like that. Show me a Greek statue, that looks like an unhealthy drug addict, who coudn't climb a set of stairs ::)
PT
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You are a fucking idiot.
So we expect you to say stuff like that. Show me a Greek statue, that looks like an unhealthy drug addict, who coudn't climb a set of stairs ::)
PT
Shut it fag
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haha .. look at this douche "big" Cyp
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Yeah Buddy
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Big Cyp has a big mouth online
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/430362_355787564451280_100000601173849_1324906_2138842736_n.jpg)
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Yeah Buddy
first , ronnie was a great champ... ELITE bodybuilder... but!!!!
look at these pics.... look at them!!!! look closely....
where does the extra weight go????? 50% straight to the gut!!!!!
the rest to the legs.... bigger legs.... not better in my opinion...
this upperbody shot gives a great perspective! haney is not much smaller then ronnie.... but has no gut!!!
abuse of hgh and slin.... = bigger.... just that though.. bigger.... not better
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first , ronnie was a great champ... ELITE bodybuilder... but!!!!
look at these pics.... look at them!!!! look closely....
where does the extra weight go????? 50% straight to the gut!!!!!
the rest to the legs.... bigger legs.... not better in my opinion...
this upperbody shot gives a great perspective! haney is not much smaller then ronnie.... but has no gut!!!
abuse of hgh and slin.... = bigger.... just that though.. bigger.... not better
Yep, that's it; mostly, the extra "muscle" is due to larger and greater drug abuse and to the fact that the judges and Bbers themselves said a big fuck you to proportions and balance. Guys got their stronger parts even stronger making their weaker parts look even weaker. That's "progress".
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Yep, that's it; mostly, the extra "muscle" is due to larger and greater drug abuse and to the fact that the judges and Bbers themselves said a big fuck you to proportions and balance. Guys got their stronger parts even stronger making their weaker parts look even weaker. That's "progress".
I`ve been saying this for years now.
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I still wonder how the current bodybuilders have their stomachs so big. It can't be fat because their skin is paper thin. I doubt it's viseral fat cause that's tied into how much subcutaneous fat you have. It has to be organ growth from GH and insulin use.
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i said it before. in mid 90's Milos had achieved the physique he dreamt of. perfect proportion. looked like a statue. was on the cover of every muscle mag. placed like shit.
added 30 lbs of bloat to his gut and he started placing higher and higher.
the ifbb doesnt' need to test, they just need to stop rewarding the look the excess drugs cause. if guys with huge guts started to lose, those drugs would be long gone from the sport.
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spot on there, in many cases todays crop have inferior arms and chests etc.
first , ronnie was a great champ... ELITE bodybuilder... but!!!!
look at these pics.... look at them!!!! look closely....
where does the extra weight go????? 50% straight to the gut!!!!!
the rest to the legs.... bigger legs.... not better in my opinion...
this upperbody shot gives a great perspective! haney is not much smaller then ronnie.... but has no gut!!!
abuse of hgh and slin.... = bigger.... just that though.. bigger.... not better
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i said it before. in mid 90's Milos had achieved the physique he dreamt of. perfect proportion. looked like a statue. was on the cover of every muscle mag. placed like shit.
added 30 lbs of bloat to his gut and he started placing higher and higher.
the ifbb doesnt' need to test, they just need to stop rewarding the look the excess drugs cause. if guys with huge guts started to lose, those drugs would be long gone from the sport.
unfortunately those old fags ifbb homos love the bloated look
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hey sev,check your pm's :)