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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: purenaturalstrength on January 31, 2012, 12:24:39 AM
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or this guy, these are the two most moscular weightlifters currently i blieve (first guy "ivan stoitsov", second "dmitri klokov")
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(left) (right is "evgeny chigishev")
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if they use old batch kigtropin 30 iu per day 12 months?
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if they use old batch kigtropin 30 iu per day 12 months?
:D
only one way to find out!
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i would say no on both,
first guy is oly lifter, these guys are very strength genetics rather than size genetics, and all the mass is in his legs, his upper body is pretty bad
second guy looks way too blocky, if he put on conditioned mass his waist would blow up and he would look like a dusty hanshaw
the most important determinant in pro bber material is the guys who have shape
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i would say no on both,
first guy is oly lifter, these guys are very strength genetics rather than size genetics, and all the mass is in his legs, his upper body is pretty bad
second guy looks way too blocky, if he put on conditioned mass his waist would blow up and he would look like a dusty hanshaw
the most important determinant in pro bber material is the guys who have shape
so in a sense twinks have more potential than blocky guys
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Yes, both of them.
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i would say no on both,
first guy is oly lifter, these guys are very strength genetics rather than size genetics, and all the mass is in his legs, his upper body is pretty bad
damn, i wonder why ::)
have you ever seen how an olympic lifter trains...
second guy looks way too blocky, if he put on conditioned mass his waist would blow up and he would look like a dusty hanshaw
the most important determinant in pro bber material is the guys who have shape
i would agree with this assessment, but then again...
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have you ever seen how an olympic lifter trains...
squat snatch
squat clean
front squat
back squat
squat sqaut squat squa
repeat
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damn, i wonder why ::)
have you ever seen how an olympic lifter trains...
yeah....
training is a moot point if you don't have the genetic shape for it
no amount of bicep curls will give you high peak biceps if you dont have it
ie i didn't train arms for the longest time. just focused on back because my arms are actually pretty decent. while training heavy on back my biceps grew tremendously and my db curls jumped from 30lbs to 65 lbs, yet my shitty arm genetics buddy over there is training the hell out of his arms and back yet his arms are still shit
much like my calves are still shit, and fat people have huge calves
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yeah....
training is a moot point if you don't have the genetic shape for it
no amount of bicep curls will give you high peak biceps if you dont have it
ie i didn't train arms for the longest time. just focused on back because my arms are actually pretty decent. while training heavy on back my biceps grew tremendously and my db curls jumped from 30lbs to 65 lbs, yet my shitty arm genetics buddy over there is training the hell out of his arms and back yet his arms are still shit
much like my calves are still shit, and fat people have huge calves
calves are much more genetical than anything else
this is why even at the olympia stage you will see some shit calves
but always big muscles on the rest of the body
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lol i can't even imagine them doing the typical bodybuilders routine let alone using cables...
sure they do if they will take the right drugs pump up some oil wear a thong and get on stage, srsly i mean who doesn't ?
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lol i can't even imagine them doing the typical bodybuilders routine let alone using cables...
sure they do if they will take the right drugs pump up some oil wear a thong and get on stage, srsly i mean who doesn't ?
a lot of guys waste away tons of drugs and never get their pro card
at least that's what i read in trevor smith article, but pretty sure that guy was just putting the world down and boasting
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First two have shitty arm genetics---they must be related to Down Hill...
Last guy maybe...
2nd guy's arms are too small for his torso.
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if they use old batch kigtropin 30 iu per day 12 months?
definitely, and also a lot of aas and slin.
he is very wide, with a small waist, so provided he doesn't have horrible genetics in his biceps or tris or pecs, he can make it to the pros "easily". lot of people with shitty genetics make it to the pros just because they use tons and tons of gh, ei that one japanese guy who i can't spell his name that has horrible structure and insertions
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i would say no on both,
first guy is oly lifter, these guys are very strength genetics rather than size genetics, and all the mass is in his legs, his upper body is pretty bad
second guy looks way too blocky, if he put on conditioned mass his waist would blow up and he would look like a dusty hanshaw
the most important determinant in pro bber material is the guys who have shape
watch a light heavy weightlifting competition.......massiv e back, huge legs, legs and back are more massive than bber.
they got the old school look that generation nothingness is too lazy to obtain.
doing squat and pull give you the herculean look, a better look than dumbell and cable row.
they only need chest and biceps and BOOOOM...
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watch a light heavy weightlifting competition.......massive back, huge legs, legs and back are more massive than bber.
they got the old school look that generation nothingness is too lazy to obtain.
doing squat and pull give you the herculean look, a better look than dumbell and cable row.
they only need chest and biceps and BOOOOM...
dont be silly,,,,,,,,,, they are incredibly muscled, but they havent got the same kind of size as a pro bodybuilder, get a grip!
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These are your average abusers. They are already on pro stacks, with awful response and genetics. Just look at the 1st dude's chest and triceps. Fucking piss-poor muscular development for someone of his size.
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To everyone that says those lifters have "shitty" genetics...well.. ::)
Those guys dont to direct arm work to develop their arms, yet their arms are somewhat huge to the common man and ripped.
Also these are Olympic lifters, with some of them being Olympic champions...do you believe they are the the bottom of the "genetic pool"? ::)
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The first guy is all legs
The second guy is all torso
The thrid guy has a nice chick, but I'd need to see her ass to be able to make a better ASSesment of her
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Anybody can be a pro bodybuilder.......EASILY!!
;D
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To everyone that says those lifters have "shitty" genetics...well.. ::)
Those guys dont to direct arm work to develop their arms, yet their arms are somewhat huge to the common man and ripped.
Also these are Olympic lifters, with some of them being Olympic champions...do you believe they are the the bottom of the "genetic pool"? ::)
Good post........most Oly lifters don`t do much work for pecs or arms if any at all.
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lol at them not working out their arms
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lol at them not working out their arms
They don`t do 15-20 sets of curls,or pressdowns like a bodybuilder would.
Possibly a few sets of curls and some close grip benches,but nothing extensive in MOST cases.
They are concerned with getting their lifts up rather than looking great in a pair of posing trunks.
Their arms get worked hard indirectly anyway,but most don`t worry about arm size,they worry about the total of the two lifts which make up their sport.
Just my opinion,as I have known and seen many an Olympic lifter train in my day.
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you see the guy doing double bi shots? u think they dont care about looking good?
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Anybody can be a pro bodybuilder.......EASILY!!
;D
lol, you know what i meant, and i was talking about that second guy. he's as wide as a barn door, with a tiny waist. he'd look amazing with a lot of mass on him and he'd have an easier time getting a pro card at the same weight/height compared to someone else. all i meant. turning pro is grueling and not something i would take lightly or consider an easy feat.
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you see the guy doing double bi shots? u think they dont care about looking good?
I`m sure they care,but aren`t training for bodybuilding.
Of course looking good should be a benefit of weight training,but it`s not the reason to start Olympic lifting.
You`re missing my point.
I`m certainly not gonna` debate it for 5 pages with you when I actually don`t care all that much about what they do anyway. ;)
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lol, you know what i meant, and i was talking about that second guy. he's as wide as a barn door, with a tiny waist. he'd look amazing with a lot of mass on him and he'd have an easier time getting a pro card at the same weight/height compared to someone else. all i meant. turning pro is grueling and not something i would take lightly or consider an easy feat.
OK,I stand corrected.
You made it sound like anyone could do it, while there are tons of national level competitors who look awesome, and have been trying for a card for years and years, but will sadly never get one even though some deserve to.
Some folks here are so delusional that they think if they megadose tons of gear, and add in GH and insulin,that a pro card is inevitable, when the fact is they are dreaming as it takes much more than that.
My bad!
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who are u kidding? when i see people like branch and jay on the o stage? give a guy enough hgh and he will win pro card
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who are u kidding? when i see people like branch and jay on the o stage? give a guy enough hgh and he will win pro card
They looked great as amateurs.....blame it on the judges for allowing abominations to win contests.
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As long as they have access to enough gh ;) ;D
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As long as they have access to enough gh ;) ;D
Correct,just ask the 400 contests at last years Nationals who take tons of GH year round,yet failed to even place top 10.
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OK,I stand corrected.
You made it sound like anyone could do it, while there are tons of national level competitors who look awesome, and have been trying for a card for years and years, but will sadly never get one even though some deserve to.
Some folks here are so delusional that they think if they megadose tons of gear, and add in GH and insulin,that a pro card is inevitable, when the fact is they are dreaming as it takes much more than that.
My bad!
i agree, but i think politics and "money/unwillingness to use extreme dosages" limits a lot of guys. 20iu a day gets thrown around constantly around here but if anyone has ever added up just how much that costs a year, it's as much as a used car, not many people who aren't 100% driven to becoming pro will run those kinds of dosages or be willing to spend that money on gear. not to mention the dosage will go up even more when someone is growing into a show.
the politics definitely plays a big role in it too, or maybe it's just luck, but there are a lot of guys who to me, while they are definitely huge, they don't really look that great or have the genetics but are extremely good at pre-contest cycling to give the illusion of being much bigger than they are. i think most people, barring the extremely genetically unlucky, can theoretically do both of those if they are driven enough, but the amount of effort and dedication it takes with shitty genetics to accomplish a pro-card is going to prevent most of those ungifted people from ever accomplishing it unless it's their only and main goal in life where they are willing to do anything and everything that it takes to get it.
training always gets ignored here but i think it's really important to building a foundation for the gear to work on. i don't think i've ever seen a thread on this board about methods of training, but i guess most of that stuff is pretty intuitive and giving it full intensity is the pinnacle of what you can really do in a gym to grow.
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They don`t do 15-20 sets of curls,or pressdowns like a bodybuilder would.
Possibly a few sets of curls and some close grip benches,but nothing extensive in MOST cases.
They are concerned with getting their lifts up rather than looking great in a pair of posing trunks.
Their arms get worked hard indirectly anyway,but most don`t worry about arm size,they worry about the total of the two lifts which make up their sport.
Just my opinion,as I have known and seen many an Olympic lifter train in my day.
pretty accurate
but people need to get over the myth that these guys don't do assistance exercises like rows, bench press, curls etc
there is hardly anything they don't do, being professional and all, having nothing else to do