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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: SmoofCat on February 04, 2012, 05:58:27 PM
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And he is not taking my advice on why to not run this. I am going to show him this page tomorrow with everyone's input on this matter. For some reason he has a misconception that more testosterone: better build.
He has never run a cycle before, but is absolutely at his natural peak. He actually trained well up to this point and built a solid natural base.
HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, he is about to run this mess of a cycle:
1,500 mg of test E per week
1,000 mg of tren E per week
1,000 mg of mast E per week
I feel very guilty because he asked me the other day what compounds I was on, and I told him honestly: test, tren, masteron. However, I didn't mention that I was on a gram of both tren and masteron and only 100 mg of test per week. I never expected or knew that he had a legit source to get gear. And while I will not mention where he got it, the kid somehow magically pulled a shit load of primo gear out of his ass yesterday and showed me (we train together once a week).
He went and did a little research (on other sites obviously) and came to the conclusion that he had to run significantly more test than tren. hence the 1500 mg per week, which i told him will be a fucking disaster, and he is not listening.
Can some people just help me set the kid straight please. Let him know what this cycle will make him look like (especially since he is not running gh).
Sorry for this weird request. I just really care about this kid, and he is basically family, and I hate to see him preparing to hurt himself like this.
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Tell him to cut everything down to 500mg per week and that would be a hell of a first cycle. Starting off as high as he wants to where does he go from there? Higher 5000 mg? The sides might be very bad dont do it kid!
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I say let him do it, if he wants to arrogant and doesnt want to listen to you let him learn the hard way.
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dude, he really needs to re-think this.
500mg of test for 16-20 weeks. that and eat what he needs to he will blow up.
then run the same test with another compound (tren or mast).
damn kids these days.
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Yup that is the other way live and learn. Worst case senario he gets bad gyno.
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3.5 grams first cycle? :D
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is he going to at least tapper into those dosages? if he reacts poorly to the tren or test or mast at those dosages, and with those esters he's going to be in frowntown for an entire week regretting ever pinning, haha
what are his goals? i bet at 18 he wants to explode and get "huge" real fast. just tell him to run some d-bol and deca or better yet anadrol and he'll be happy as a clam.
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Idiots like that are why steroids have such a bad image ::)
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he's gona look like a beast
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3.5 grams first cycle? :D
he doesn't understand... one of his friends, who is 17 years old and has basically been using tren (from oscaro so i don't know if it is 100 percent legit or not) for the last 2 years (yeah he started when he was 15.. crazy, but true). and now this kid is running cycles in the 3-4 gram range.
actually it is shocking how many young guys i am meeting these days ( i mean 16-19 years old) who are running upwards of 3 grams of gear per week. something shifted in the generation even between my generation (I am 25) and these kids. something just changed. obviously they are all getting some weird advice from a mix of the boards, and it is also just plain out generation nothingness + teen age arrogance + a NOW NOW NOW attitude.
anyways i talked to the kid this morning, ironically at church. he apparently started the cycle last night and is going ahead with this.
he is 172 lbs, 5'10'', 18 years old, and about to run his first cycle... 3.5 grams.
what has become of this sport? it makes me sick to my stomach what is occurring in the youngest sector of bodybuilding right now, at least in NYC. almost every teenager is on more gear than me, and I have been doing this for years.
the only difference is that i started with 6 week halodrol cycles @ the minimum dosage, and they are running practically 4 grams.
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these kids are stupid, tell no one you juice would be my best advice although that is off topic. this is the kinda stupid kid that will go around and tell all his buddies about your cycle. sooner or later one of them gets popped and they are more than happy to roll on everyone they know who juices because they are scared to be without their mommy so imagine what they would do at the prospect of jail. my moral in life is tell no one that im on gear, not my girl, not my brother, not my best friend, only my trainer who is an online guy.
now back to his cycle, id let him run it and bloat up and then lose it all and come crawling back and will listen to you next time. but be very careful telling anyone you use AAS in a country where it is not legal, esp a young kid who doesn't have his head togeather.
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he doesn't understand... one of his friends, who is 17 years old and has basically been using tren (from oscaro so i don't know if it is 100 percent legit or not) for the last 2 years (yeah he started when he was 15.. crazy, but true). and now this kid is running cycles in the 3-4 gram range.
actually it is shocking how many young guys i am meeting these days ( i mean 16-19 years old) who are running upwards of 3 grams of gear per week. something shifted in the generation even between my generation (I am 25) and these kids. something just changed. obviously they are all getting some weird advice from a mix of the boards, and it is also just plain out generation nothingness + teen age arrogance + a NOW NOW NOW attitude.
anyways i talked to the kid this morning, ironically at church. he apparently started the cycle last night and is going ahead with this.
he is 172 lbs, 5'10'', 18 years old, and about to run his first cycle... 3.5 grams.
what has become of this sport? it makes me sick to my stomach what is occurring in the youngest sector of bodybuilding right now, at least in NYC. almost every teenager is on more gear than me, and I have been doing this for years.
the only difference is that i started with 6 week halodrol cycles @ the minimum dosage, and they are running practically 4 grams.
arnold was on d-bol by 15 and was more than likely on 3grams a week of gear by the age of 18 and he's really considered the innovator of hormones in bodybuilding so i don't think anything has really changed with this generation compared to previous ones
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What a stupid guy. People like him are why AAS are always going to be looked at negatively by the general public.
What's his next cycle going to be?
2g of everything?
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Show the idiot some gyno pics and tell him he is heading to that,1.5 gram of test + 1 gram of tren...masteron will not be enough.Also advice him to get on short esters.But is he says no,he is just stupid...
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Those are stav doses :o
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smoof, you did the right thing, told him not do do it this way.
now it's time to let him crash and burn. If he has any brains at all he will learn.
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Honestly smoof, I don't think anything we or you say will matter! That is a mess of a first cycle though, Jesus. If he gets sides from the tren he's fucked. And once he plateau on this stack what's he going to do run 6 grams? He's a Buck seventy something ? Shit, I know you could help him a ton, maybe you could lay the smack down and just tell him to stop...
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Let him do it. He won;t last more than 4 weeks TOPS.
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most 18 year olds dont last past the first pin, i know my brother didnt. he bought all these roids then got some fat guy across the street to pin him it got painful and he called it quits, haha. so much for his bragging how he would be bigger than me one day.
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Better idea I'm sure gh15 wud agree. Do whatever aas even just a lousy dose of one compound and instead add gh.
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ur girlfriends brother is a legend and i tip my hat to him
bravo ;D
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It's not even a good choice of drugs for a first cycle, never mind dosages. Whatever, let the kid fail, like tons before him.
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All I'm gonna say: Your girlfriend's brother sounds downright retarded.
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Got a 19 year old colleague at the gym - who did weekly
4 amps Deca
up to 15 dbol ed not sure if 5mg or 10mg (this messed him up he says)
1 Cypionate 10ml bottle every 2 weeks
1 bottle Tren E 10ml
4-8 Testovirons
So basically everything under the sun for a first cycle ;D
Now on Anadrol 50 ed - looking for even more gains.
He gets whatever he wants for very cheap HG btw.
He put 40 pounds (of fat) in 2 months literally. His BW went from 200-210s to mid 250s. He looks like shit and feels like shit according to him and follow up with doctor. His belly hangs so far - that he has to wear a WL belt to curl 10lb dumbbells.
Best to let them learn their lesson. Not like we're saving the messiah here. Likely the kids are experimenting with other recreational drugs and are much more fucked up then we think.
This is just one of many examples seen first hand with newbies who fail to do their research.
What happened to good ol' hard training for at least a few years before hitting it up >:(
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he probably thinks that you want him to be smaller than you so he's not gonna do anything you say. I've been there.
They only learn the hard way and there are some dumb enough to rationalize why they are getting sides\sick and it's never because of dosages.
He's gonna get hit had with TREN E and for a looooong time.
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He already had a good teacher being smoofcat,could had learned lots of things instead of making mistakes on his own body.300 prop + 500 tren-a and some eq would had made a great cycle. ;)
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He already had a good teacher being smoofcat,could had learned lots of things instead of making mistakes on his own body.300 prop + 500 tren-a and some eq would had made a great cycle. ;)
Exactly. Kid would have loved that cycle.
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Wow, I thought I was bad because I went up to 1.5 grams at one point.
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Crazy shit! :(
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What is he fucken crazy. Tell him to run this.
500mg of test ew
400mg of mast E
He will fucken love this and look fantastic! He doesn't need to be messing with tren his first go especially at that age. What a foolish cycle. He will explode on the above mentioned cycle. The masteron will help with the bloat and other sides from test. He can save all that gear for later. Don't let him run all that shit!
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Its not like it will kill him let him roll it if he want don't really matter. I would be kinda curious to see how a natural would respond to that. I seen a pretty fresh natural run 2grams of test a week before it worked a lot better then I would have guess honeslty. If it dont make him go crazy it would prolly work pretty damn good would be my guess.
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I started at 17 I was 144lb , my first cycle was 20mg D-Bol a day - I gained 14lbs in 3 weeks!
When I was 19 I was 217lb and I NEVER used more than 600mg a week of anything. Ok I was bloofy at this size as I did not understand that using higher amounts of test made you look like this as I really liked test as everytime I got on the scale the figures went up..however it didn't make me look good
At that age you do not need high doses, the sooner you start using higher doses the sooner you will build up tolerence to the compounds and you always will need high doses.. Running that much gear from the offset would fuck most people up, never mind a kid... When you come off you can say good bye to your size, your sex drive, your ability to get a hard on, infact you will probally be an emotional wreck because at that age your heads all over the place anyway...
My advice would be run the test low..
100-150mg a week of test
100mg EOD of Masteron
200mg Weekly of Tren E
Run this for 12-16 weeks or so straight then up the doseage
100-150mg a week of test
150mg EOD of Masteron
300mg Weekly of Tren E
Again do this for 12 or so weeks then up it goes again.
You will probally see there are no brakes here, that is because unless you want to yo yo all the time (weight, size, fat & water up & down) then you want to limit the "brakes". This is when you get fat (when you come off) and feel like shit. Im not fond of telling any kid to get on & stay on but this is the fact with roids.. you want to look a certain way you have to stay on for long periods, it falls apart when you come off.
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everyone young person wants something right now without working for it. he will lose out on some gains over the years he could have had it he ran things right
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in just a few days on this ridiculously fucking stupid cycle this kid has made a transformation like I have never seen.
He is 182 now (up 5 lbs in 4 days), and it is clear that he has almost 4 grams of good gear in his blood. His entire face is one big zit. He apparently broke a chair at his high school when he was asked to go to the principal's office for some reason.
I worked out with him today, and he previously has never been able to bench 225 even for 1 rep. I always assist him with that one rep max of 225. Today he got 1 rep of 225 all by himself, and now he thinks he is the biggest beast in the world. I never go for max reps on 225, but I had to give him a slice of humble pie and even though I was doing a back day today, I showed him 32 reps of 225. And I am frankly disappointed with only 32.
Then we moved to deadlifts, and he set a PR with one rep of 315. He literally started walking around in circles flexing and y elling "light weights".
Again, it was humble pie time, so I had to show him what a 695 lb deadlift looks like (something I haven't done in a while, because I normally do not lift with my ego... this kid happened to bring out the worst in me today however, and I know that I have done 695 on many, many occasions in the past for a max).
anyways, I am predicting something horrible is going to happen in the next month with this kid, if not the next week. An arrest, a trip to the hospital, a trip to the psych ward, etc'. And the worst part about it is that I found out that he is a member of PM today. The OKd this cycle of his over there. Fucking ridiculous.
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in just a few days on this ridiculously fucking stupid cycle this kid has made a transformation like I have never seen.
He is 182 now (up 5 lbs in 4 days), and it is clear that he has almost 4 grams of good gear in his blood. His entire face is one big zit. He apparently broke a chair at his high school when he was asked to go to the principal's office for some reason.
I worked out with him today, and he previously has never been able to bench 225 even for 1 rep. I always assist him with that one rep max of 225. Today he got 1 rep of 225 all by himself, and now he thinks he is the biggest beast in the world. I never go for max reps on 225, but I had to give him a slice of humble pie and even though I was doing a back day today, I showed him 32 reps of 225. And I am frankly disappointed with only 32.
Then we moved to deadlifts, and he set a PR with one rep of 315. He literally started walking around in circles flexing and y elling "light weights".
Again, it was humble pie time, so I had to show him what a 695 lb deadlift looks like (something I haven't done in a while, because I normally do not lift with my ego... this kid happened to bring out the worst in me today however, and I know that I have done 695 on many, many occasions in the past for a max).
anyways, I am predicting something horrible is going to happen in the next month with this kid, if not the next week. An arrest, a trip to the hospital, a trip to the psych ward, etc'. And the worst part about it is that I found out that he is a member of PM today. The OKd this cycle of his over there. Fucking ridiculous.
Ha ha, well this is quality. Give it about 12 weeks and his head will go with that much gear.
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Zits are the shit!
It will only get worse and because of the gains he will not want to back off so he will look horrible!!
Too bad for him
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Idiots like that are why steroids have such a bad image ::)
I'm sure he will make 'ROID RAGE' headlines...
3,5 g for a first cycle (or any cycle) sounds crazy to me.
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in just a few days on this ridiculously fucking stupid cycle this kid has made a transformation like I have never seen.
He is 182 now (up 5 lbs in 4 days), and it is clear that he has almost 4 grams of good gear in his blood. His entire face is one big zit. He apparently broke a chair at his high school when he was asked to go to the principal's office for some reason.
I worked out with him today, and he previously has never been able to bench 225 even for 1 rep. I always assist him with that one rep max of 225. Today he got 1 rep of 225 all by himself, and now he thinks he is the biggest beast in the world. I never go for max reps on 225, but I had to give him a slice of humble pie and even though I was doing a back day today, I showed him 32 reps of 225. And I am frankly disappointed with only 32.
Then we moved to deadlifts, and he set a PR with one rep of 315. He literally started walking around in circles flexing and y elling "light weights".
Again, it was humble pie time, so I had to show him what a 695 lb deadlift looks like (something I haven't done in a while, because I normally do not lift with my ego... this kid happened to bring out the worst in me today however, and I know that I have done 695 on many, many occasions in the past for a max).
anyways, I am predicting something horrible is going to happen in the next month with this kid, if not the next week. An arrest, a trip to the hospital, a trip to the psych ward, etc'. And the worst part about it is that I found out that he is a member of PM today. The OKd this cycle of his over there. Fucking ridiculous.
Something bad will come of all this, it's just a matter of time.
I trained with a high school kid who was on 1250mg Test and 600mg Deca for his first cycle and he acted the exact same way as this kid. He was wearing wife beaters to the gym and flexing between every set. His max bench was 245 and his squat was 275. He refused to deadlift. He would train chest and arms 3 times a week and then wonder why he never made any good gains. Also he didn't know how to eat and after the cycle he went right back to wear he was.
8)
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arnold was on d-bol by 15 and was more than likely on 3grams a week of gear by the age of 18 and he's really considered the innovator of hormones in bodybuilding so i don't think anything has really changed with this generation compared to previous ones
How do you know he took 3k a week?
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Keep this thread updated bro. Subscribed for the epic train wreck.
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Just make sure that the day he comes off the cycle he doesn't crash and go into a depression.
I wish I knew then at 18 what I knew now. I fucking killed myself. Lifted natural, no pro-hormones, nothing. I couldn't afford protein powder. The only supplement was Ultimate Orange.
I ate fucking plain tuna with a little honey squirted on and a slice of bread a day. I was lean as fuck, but then all of these turds at the beach built like tanks and I never knew why. Man, if I just hit a cycle or two back then I would have been a fucking god.
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Where does these HS kids find gear at that age?
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Where does these HS kids find gear at that age?
Highschool is probably the best place in the world to find the best drugs. Seriously.
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Where does these HS kids find gear at that age?
the scary thing is that all of these kids are using a really, really legit source. i'm not blowing any whistles, not on PM and not on the open forum, so don't ask me what source these kids somehow found out about. i mean honestly it isn't that hard to find out, especially when a couple months ago on get big there were literally source lists circulating in the open forum. and i am positive that this is how the kid made the connection. because he was not naive to the thunder dome when i brought it up. but i was expecting them to have ordered from naps or something or oscaro, and when i heard that they order from a much more, well let's say "in the know" source, i was fucking shocked. so not only are these kids running 3.5 grams of gear, but they are running 3.5 grams of good shit.
the saddest thing about this whole thing is that my girlfriends mom last night thanked me for training with the kid... she said "lately i have noticed how great he is looking." she is obviously referring to the gram of tren ace that is in his blood, and the transformation the this gram of tren ace (not to mention the gram of masteron and the 1.5 grams of test) has caused on him in only one week.
i mean it honestly is night and day. the kid looks like he went from a natural to a hormone user in one week. and that is not right. on your first cycle, you should not be running doses high enough that nobody believes you are not on hormones. i mean my first cycle i was on 50 mg of halodrol daily. did anyone accuse me of juicing? yes. a few people. but not every single fucking person that i came across.
when you are deadlifting 315 for a single in your wife beater, and then throwing the weight down and screaming before you flex in the mirror, and your skin is fucking chemically tight because of the masteron and tren, it is just obvious. he is fooling nobody except his mother. and in two weeks she will know too.
you can't hide a gram of tren ace.
let me repeat that.
you can't hide a fucking gram of tren ace from anybody. (paging layne norton.. paging pat banya...)
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Highschool is probably the best place in the world to find the best drugs. Seriously.
Really? We were drug tested in all sports.
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Lol, 315 deadlift on 4 grams of gear.
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Really? We were drug tested in all sports.
That's more to do with you being African American.
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epic thread
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Really? We were drug tested in all sports.
i have never heard of this in my life and i played at the highest level of high school ice hockey in the usa essentially. at least 50% of us were on hormones. not consistently (we all cycled), but over half of us were on.
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...is obviously referring to the gram of tren ace that is in his blood, and the transformation the this gram of tren ace (not to mention the gram of masteron and the 1.5 grams of test) has caused on him in only one week.
i mean it honestly is night and day. the kid looks like he went from a natural to a hormone user in one week. and that is not right. on your first cycle, you should not be running doses high enough that nobody believes you are not on hormones. i mean my first cycle i was on 50 mg of halodrol daily. did anyone accuse me of juicing? yes. a few people. but not every single fucking person that i came across.
when you are deadlifting 315 for a single in your wife beater, and then throwing the weight down and screaming before you flex in the mirror, and your skin is fucking chemically tight because of the masteron and tren, it is just obvious. he is fooling nobody except his mother. and in two weeks she will know too.
you can't hide a gram of tren ace.
let me repeat that.
you can't hide a fucking gram of tren ace from anybody. (paging layne norton.. paging pat banya...)
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he is about to run this mess of a cycle:
1,500 mg of test E per week
1,000 mg of tren E per week
1,000 mg of mast E per week
He decided to go with the Tren ace instead?
P.S. might wanna get him a jail pass ... ;D
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And he is not taking my advice on why to not run this. I am going to show him this page tomorrow with everyone's input on this matter. For some reason he has a misconception that more testosterone: better build.
He has never run a cycle before, but is absolutely at his natural peak. He actually trained well up to this point and built a solid natural base.
HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT, he is about to run this mess of a cycle:
1,500 mg of test E per week
1,000 mg of tren E per week
1,000 mg of mast E per week
I feel very guilty because he asked me the other day what compounds I was on, and I told him honestly: test, tren, masteron. However, I didn't mention that I was on a gram of both tren and masteron and only 100 mg of test per week. I never expected or knew that he had a legit source to get gear. And while I will not mention where he got it, the kid somehow magically pulled a shit load of primo gear out of his ass yesterday and showed me (we train together once a week).
He went and did a little research (on other sites obviously) and came to the conclusion that he had to run significantly more test than tren. hence the 1500 mg per week, which i told him will be a fucking disaster, and he is not listening.
Can some people just help me set the kid straight please. Let him know what this cycle will make him look like (especially since he is not running gh).
Sorry for this weird request. I just really care about this kid, and he is basically family, and I hate to see him preparing to hurt himself like this.
then you go on to say he's only 170 somthing and cant even bench 225 for 1 rep?.... he's no where near where he should be at, thats barely scratching the surface of whats attainable as a young natural laddie
ive no problem with starting young, but you should have some solid base behind you 1st at least
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I benched 225 for 8 naturally,went on AAS and now i'm stuck at 315 for 5.Guess i need to up the dose,only 250 test-e and 300 tren-a p/w.The thing is i can progress further on these doses,it's the T3 and letro that ruines my strength.I dropped the letro 1 week ago,planning on lowering the t3,see how things work up :D
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I benched 225 for 8 naturally,went on AAS and now i'm stuck at 315 for 5.Guess i need to up the dose,only 250 test-e and 300 tren-a p/w.The thing is i can progress further on these doses,it's the T3 and letro that ruines my strength.I dropped the letro 1 week ago,planning on lowering the t3,see how things work up :D
T3 lowers strength??
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That's more to do with you being African American.
I went to a white school.
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i have never heard of this in my life and i played at the highest level of high school ice hockey in the usa essentially. at least 50% of us were on hormones. not consistently (we all cycled), but over half of us were on.
They tested us for everything. We had like 10 random drug test during the season but none during the offseason. I think the punishment for failing a test was 50-60 miles before you could play again.
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They tested us for everything. We had like 10 random drug test during the season but none during the offseason. I think the punishment for failing a test was 50-60 miles before you could play again.
That sucks. I played d3 college ball. They didn't test anyone.
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i have never heard of this in my life and i played at the highest level of high school ice hockey in the usa essentially. at least 50% of us were on hormones. not consistently (we all cycled), but over half of us were on.
where'd you play bro?
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He decided to go with the Tren ace instead?
P.S. might wanna get him a jail pass ... ;D
yes yes, i was incorrect originally about the esther.
he has all short esters, except for the test, which is in fact test E.
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then you go on to say he's only 170 somthing and cant even bench 225 for 1 rep?.... he's no where near where he should be at, thats barely scratching the surface of whats attainable as a young natural laddie
ive no problem with starting young, but you should have some solid base behind you 1st at least
eh i disagree actually. he just does not have the build to ever bench 225 for lots of reps as a natural. i could see him getting 5 maybe if he focused on only bodybuilding and had no life and ate every 2 hours etc etc etc, no social life, no dates because he has to eat his meal every 2 hours. that kind of thing.
he has legitimately been training naturally now for a number of years, and he started @ 5'10'' and 110 lbs. And in the last year, he has not made any gains whatsoever and is stuck at 170, and his nutrition is on point, and his training is too. He is just a naturally frail mother fucker. Not all of us are born strong. I mean this kid would naturally, if he never touched a weight, be about 135 lbs @ 5'10'' as an adult. So I think he is g2g now.
I happened to be a different case when I was just getting into hormones, because I just was blessed with a significantly larger build than him. I couldn't be below 180 lbs if I tried @ 6 foot. In fact, I was skinny as fucking hell @ 180 before I really got serious about lifting.
Now this kid is almost my height, but he could never be my pre hormone weight or strength without hormones. God didn't create us all equally, and I see no reason to tell him he can't start using hormones.
HOWEVER using the amount he is using is a fucking joke. I think he should be on 500 mg prop and 200 mg tren ace every week for his first cycle, and that is absolutely it. That is the absolute maximum.
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eh i disagree actually. he just does not have the build to ever bench 225 for multiple reps as a natural. he has legitimately been training naturally now for a number of years, and he started @ 5'10'' and 110 lbs. And in the last year, he has not made any gains whatsoever and is stuck at 170, and his nutrition is on point, and his training is too. He is just a naturally frail mother fucker. Not all of us are born strong. I mean this kid would naturally, if he never touched a weight, be about 135 lbs @ 5'10'' as an adult. So I think he is g2g now.
I happened to be a different case when I was just getting into hormones, because I just was blessed with a significantly larger build than him. I couldn't be below 180 lbs if I tried @ 6 foot. In fact, I was skinny as fucking hell @ 180 before I really got serious about lifting.
Now this kid is almost my height, but he could never be my pre hormone weight or strength without hormones. God didn't create us all equally, and I see no reason to tell him he can't start using hormones.
HOWEVER using the amount he is using is a fucking joke. I think he should be on 500 mg prop and 200 mg tren ace every week for his first cycle, and that is absolutely it. That is the absolute maximum.
EDIT- I just want to add that I already can foresee a lot of people arguing that "anyone" can bench 225 for multiple reps as a natural if they work hard enough. This is fucking bullshit. Some people just are born with genetically terrible builds, and it takes them years to even get up to 135 lbs. This kid is one of these people. He is fucking capped at 170 naturally. I mean he has a size 27 waist. 170 is a feat for him. I am proud that he even got there and stayed under 12%. Also, if numbers mean anything, to his credit he built a strong squat for his pathetic size. He was doing 315 for reps the last time I saw him in the gym working legs as a natural. So he just simply has one of those naturally girly upper bodies. He would wear roughly a size 36 suit coat. I mean his upper body is borderline child status.
Good post man. I couldn't rep 225 until I got a few weeks into my first cycle of dbol and sustanon. I trained my ass off to. I had 8 years of hard training under my belt I was 21 when I started my first cycle. I just wasn't built to lift a lot of weights. Very lanky arms. I was middle distance runner in highschool very skinny. I can get 315 a couple of times now. Just not built for strenght like some of you. My natural training was legit to. We had a very serious strength and conditioning coach when I played college ball. Our training was hard and serious.
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lol not to sound like a dick but i was repping 225 for 12-15 easily as a natural. but yeah were all built differently and ive always been a muscular dude but its hard for me to get truly shredded and have to use diuretics to drop water etc.
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lol not to sound like a dick but i was repping 225 for 12-15 easily as a natural. but yeah were all built differently and ive always been a muscular dude but its hard for me to get truly shredded and have to use diuretics to drop water etc.
I couldn't even come close to that but I could dunk a basketball and run the 800meters under 2 minutes. God gave us all different gifts.
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I benched 225 for 8 naturally,went on AAS and now i'm stuck at 315 for 5.Guess i need to up the dose,only 250 test-e and 300 tren-a p/w.The thing is i can progress further on these doses,it's the T3 and letro that ruines my strength.I dropped the letro 1 week ago,planning on lowering the t3,see how things work up :D
thats about right steroids really arent good for much more then 30% strength increase at best which you would have gained some of that strength steroids or not
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thats about right steroids really arent good for much more then 30% strength increase at best which you would have gained some of that strength steroids or not
Is this really true? I always thought that steroids made u crazy strong but I have been training natural for 9 years and then this year started taking roids and my strength is about the same i'm just a lil more muscular and a lot leaner.
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Is this really true? I always thought that steroids made u crazy strong but I have been training natural for 9 years and then this year started taking roids and my strength is about the same i'm just a lil more muscular and a lot leaner.
Not sure about crazy strong. But strength/gains are dosage dependent, alongside one's diet and training.
The more you do the better gains you get.
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lol not to sound like a dick but i was repping 225 for 12-15 easily as a natural. but yeah were all built differently and ive always been a muscular dude but its hard for me to get truly shredded and have to use diuretics to drop water etc.
Max I was naturally so thin, but due to my frame I was benching 225 for reps naturally. However 315 would NEVER happen for me naturally. I have a 6'6 wingspan (I can grab a basketball rim without any step, just jumping off two feet from a stand still.)
We're all built differently
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ya i know you're type of build, guys like you usually have the illusion that your so much bigger than u really are when ur in good shape. me in the other hand im as thick as a cock :o
i wear an 18inch dress shirt 35/36 fill it out fully ... right now im running red tops and 800mgs of total gear (off season) you could say till i bring the tren in again late spring. ill be on prob 1.5 grams over the spring and summer, prob doing 10iu EOD red tops/ new kigs. im 5'11 215 right now
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eh i disagree actually. he just does not have the build to ever bench 225 for lots of reps as a natural. i could see him getting 5 maybe if he focused on only bodybuilding and had no life and ate every 2 hours etc etc etc, no social life, no dates because he has to eat his meal every 2 hours. that kind of thing.
he has legitimately been training naturally now for a number of years, and he started @ 5'10'' and 110 lbs. And in the last year, he has not made any gains whatsoever and is stuck at 170, and his nutrition is on point, and his training is too. He is just a naturally frail mother fucker. Not all of us are born strong. I mean this kid would naturally, if he never touched a weight, be about 135 lbs @ 5'10'' as an adult. So I think he is g2g now.
I happened to be a different case when I was just getting into hormones, because I just was blessed with a significantly larger build than him. I couldn't be below 180 lbs if I tried @ 6 foot. In fact, I was skinny as fucking hell @ 180 before I really got serious about lifting.
Now this kid is almost my height, but he could never be my pre hormone weight or strength without hormones. God didn't create us all equally, and I see no reason to tell him he can't start using hormones.
HOWEVER using the amount he is using is a fucking joke. I think he should be on 500 mg prop and 200 mg tren ace every week for his first cycle, and that is absolutely it. That is the absolute maximum.
im confused by this post about his level of dedication. so he isn't willing to eat every 2-3 hours but what do you mean his nutrition is on point? i know some guys say eat when hungry and eat fruit putting and eat berries and bannas with your peptides and humanafort lol....but ive got the best results with an old school trainer where i eat steak and potato and nuts and weigh my food out and eat it every 2-3 hours. so this guy is not willing to eat every 2-3 hours? i think that would be the first thing he needs to do before he even thinks about juice. im just confused by your description of his level of dedication.
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im confused by this post about his level of dedication. so he isn't willing to eat every 2-3 hours but what do you mean his nutrition is on point? i know some guys say eat when hungry and eat fruit putting and eat berries and bannas with your peptides and humanafort lol....but ive got the best results with an old school trainer where i eat steak and potato and nuts and weigh my food out and eat it every 2-3 hours. so this guy is not willing to eat every 2-3 hours? i think that would be the first thing he needs to do before he even thinks about juice. im just confused by your description of his level of dedication.
Lol not sure if serious......
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im confused by this post about his level of dedication. so he isn't willing to eat every 2-3 hours but what do you mean his nutrition is on point? i know some guys say eat when hungry and eat fruit putting and eat berries and bannas with your peptides and humanafort lol....but ive got the best results with an old school trainer where i eat steak and potato and nuts and weigh my food out and eat it every 2-3 hours. so this guy is not willing to eat every 2-3 hours? i think that would be the first thing he needs to do before he even thinks about juice. im just confused by your description of his level of dedication.
well i frankly disagree with you 100 %.
there is no need to torture yourself natural bodybuilding.
what is the point?? build a base. do research. then use hormones.
and yes, 172 lbs @ 5'10'' and lean is a base. trust me, as someone who truly understands hormones on a deep level, i am saying the kid was ready for hormones. he has a pathetic frame with the wrists and ankles of a woman, but the fact that he got to a lean 172 with that frame is a testament to how far he came as a natural, and the years he put into it. this kid would otherwise be 130 lbs roughly if not for the weights. that is the type of frame he has.
however, the cycle he decided to do is not g2g by me. the cycle he decided to go with is something a pro would run, along with mucho gh to take advantage of the 1.5 grams of test in there.