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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bad Boy Dazza on February 06, 2012, 11:28:52 PM
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I mean for all you know they could making it in their bathtub and pissing in it.... or worse...
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yes, that is why you should always find a trustworthy source
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ask the cops at the gym :;] best honest source
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strenger ,or pharma grade only..I'm gtg.
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I wouldn't inject anything in my body unless it was made in a PROPER LAB
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strenger ,or pharma grade only..I'm gtg.
No more injectable enchiladas and arepas?
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all the ugl's powders are coming from china, and it's all going to be the same regardless. it's a crapshoot and you just hope that the level of toxins are minute enough to never cause a serious issue, no real way around it even with human grade you just lower the chances of getting poor quality gear.
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I buy only the finest whiskies >:(
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I just watch a lot of intervention on TV,
and when I see them shooting up brown mushy shit on a spoon and
then injecting it into their veins, I feel much better about my UG products.
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druggies should always trust their dealers
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druggies should always trust their dealers
ha ha ha this ^^^^
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i only trust your fat mom because she knows where to get tasty food
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I piss on your mother in the bathtub.
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I mean for all you know they could making it in their bathtub and pissing in it.... or worse...
Remember that i pissed in your mouth and shit on your face and that did not bother you so whats the big deal.
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I mean for all you know they could making it in their bathtub and pissing in it.... or worse...
Just make sure there bathtub is clean and the urine isn't to foamy and your good to go ;)
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all the ugl's powders are coming from china, and it's all going to be the same regardless. it's a crapshoot and you just hope that the level of toxins are minute enough to never cause a serious issue, no real way around it even with human grade you just lower the chances of getting poor quality gear.
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lower? they would be nonexistant- real pharm grade gear is the way to go if you can.
HATE not using pharm grade gear, how could you not if you give a shit about your body? but you do what you gotta do. You never really know, regardless of the quality. I mean guys cmon, your injecting dirty raw contaminated powders from china into your body. Even the good cooks-u never really know. Your "cook" could be eating his girl's ass out and petting his dog in between brewing your batch of tren without wearing any gloves for god sake while he keeps his lab in a table on his bedroom for all you know.
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yes, that is why you should always find a trustworthy source
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lol typical naive gym rat:) can you define trustworthy? Because the gear works? Any idiot can put the right amount of testosterone in a vial if he wants clients, and any moron with some decent hookup to high quality powders can make some bomb ass gear that will get people huge and customers happy...... but that's not about health is it? You have no idea where the shit is made, with any ugl period.
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Where do you think Big Pharma companies get their powders from?
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Where do you think Big Pharma companies get their powders from?
I've heard this thrown up several times when this discussion comes to rise..... true you have a point, but these products are made in a sterile environemnt by multi million dollar industries and I am guessing powders are screened. Let's see who would you go with....... some chef operating a lab in his basement or a multi billion dollar industry like Schering or galenika. Btw I do use ugl products, it's the only choice we have for the most part with stuff like EQ and tren but at the same time I'm not naive about it. Just shot 1.5 cc of deca into my right asscheek and cringed at the thought of injecting it into my body, regardless of it being a good ugl there is always that voice in the back of your head "where was this made" lol....but hey .I want huge massive muscles though so I feel it's worth the risk.
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lower? they would be nonexistant- real pharm grade gear is the way to go if you can.
HATE not using pharm grade gear, how could you not if you give a shit about your body? but you do what you gotta do. You never really know, regardless of the quality. I mean guys cmon, your injecting dirty raw contaminated powders from china into your body. Even the good cooks-u never really know. Your "cook" could be eating his girl's ass out and petting his dog in between brewing your batch of tren without wearing any gloves for god sake while he keeps his lab in a table on his bedroom for all you know.
ya, human grade has better standards but you have to realize they are still using the same powders too, lol. powders made in china, india, turkey, and then manufactured there as well. definitely better quality and you remove more risk from the equation but, there is still a very small chance. read too many stories about what big name american and european pharma companies have sold outside of america, like blood tainted with HIV that they knew was contaminated.
i'm not trying to scaremonger, not my intention, as i use UGL myself and i think there is more risk with UGL, but i still think it's small enough to not be a concern. probably ingest more heavy metals when eating seafood
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ya, human grade has better standards but you have to realize they are still using the same powders too, lol. powders made in china, india, turkey, and then manufactured there as well. definitely better quality and you remove more risk from the equation but, there is still a very small chance. read too many stories about what big name american and european pharma companies have sold outside of america, like blood tainted with HIV that they knew was contaminated.
i'm not trying to scaremonger, not my intention, as i use UGL myself and i think there is more risk with UGL, but i still think it's small enough to not be a concern. probably ingest more heavy metals when eating seafood
Actually, one of the biggest manufacturers of U.S. pharma grade anabolic steroids is in East Tennessee.
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A lot of American Pharma companies will cut corners with their products. Take Goody powders for example. Anyone familiar with these will probably know what I'm talking about, I mean familiar as in takes them from time to time. Not just knowing of them. The way you buy them is quantity based of course. They come in 2-packs, 6 packs, 25, and 50. For the 2 pack it's usually $.99. The 6 pack is $1.80. Now, the 25 pack is around $5.00 and the 50 pack is around $6.00. Now something doesn't make sense about that. I understand you get better deals buying in bulk, but $5.00 for 25 and then just a $1.00 more for twice that amount? Especially when the 2 pack powders are only $.99. Sounds crazy I know. You would have to think the company is doing something funny here and they are.
I've noticed every time I buy the 6 packs that it's enough to get me through the whole day. Meaning I don't have to take any extra and usually around the 5th or 6th powder I start getting the jitters because of the caffeine. So, you do pay more per se for the 6 pack, but it's better quality.
Now, the 50 pack that is around $6.00 something, I can usually take 10 to 12 of those a day and not have anywhere near the feeling I get with the 6 packs. They're either severely under dosed or have less meds (caffeine, aspirin, acetaminophen) and more filler, whatever that might be. The taste is even weaker. This is the reason they can do this with their prices. But you would think you were still getting the same quality with the 50 pack as with the 6 pack. But it's not the case.
Now, another thing I've noticed this with is hydrocodone/Vicodin/Lortab/etc. I was using these back in 2005-2008 and became very familiar with all the brands and companies that manufacture these pain pills. I'm also sure anyone familiar with these will have noticed this as well. I was prescribed hydrocodone 10mg (hydro)/500mg (acetaminophen). Now there's several different brands you can choose from here. Watson 540 (blue pill) Malinkrondt M363(white pill), and Vintage 3600 or V 3600 (pink pill).
Okay, I've tried them all, many many many times and every time the results were the same. The M 363's are very weak and not worth it. The Watson 540 are pretty good, and of course the pink V3600, to me, were the best. Some people of course may be different, but it's just amazing the differences in these things. Of course now there are many other brands of hydro out there but since I've stopped taking them I'm not familiar with what all is out there now.
Now I know what I've posted has nothing to do with steroids, but that was the point. To show some examples of how pharma grade meds can even be way off, even for well known reputable pharm companies. The best thing you can do is find a product that works. Any kind of meds you take you should "feel" it working almost immediately. Always pay attention to this feel with ANY meds you take. This is how you will know what you have is working for you. Even something as plain as a Tylenol should make you "feel" something, albeit lightly or hardly at all, but if you pay attention you will feel different. Get familiar with these sensations and the feedback your brain gives you. I know this may sound crazy to some, but trust me, it works.
Just find your drug of choice, pay attention to how you "feel" on it and what those feelings are. A lot of people say test enanthate takes weeks to kick in, or a week or two. Not for me. I don't know how many brands I've tried in the past, but one thing I know for sure, when I inject after I've been off for awhile, it never fails, I feel it right away or a difference in body chemistry. The biggest thing with Test E and me is of course feeling the sexual sides after a few hours after the injection. Cyp does the same thing. If you are taking legit meds you will always "feel" something that is a bit different. That's your body's way of telling you a foreign substance is coursing through your veins. Every drug if legit will make you feel something right away. Now of course with test you may not be feeling like superman right away, but you WILL feel SOMETHING that is different for you body. Every brand of legit test e. I've taken has done this. Ign's, Iranian, Steris, Upjohn, several ugl's. One product that did not do this was some stuff I got from Mexico back in early 2000. I didn't feel anything from it from the start nor several weeks later. Bunk.
You have to trust your source, pay attention to how you feel, pay attention to your results. Have patience. Try different labs until you find what works best for you. Keep an eye out for infections and things of that nature. Some of the best pharma companies in the world will cut corners or use ingredients that are not 100%. You really have to find the right product and trust your source. That's really what it boils down to.
Sure it's risky trying to hunt down something. It's worrisome that one day your favorite product may not live up to it's past and you may have to find another. But that's all fine and dandy at the end of the day. You simply pay attention to how you feel and just find another product. Pay attention to the feedback your body gives you and it's hard to go wrong. It's really as simple as that.
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I just watch a lot of intervention on TV,
and when I see them shooting up brown mushy shit on a spoon and
then injecting it into their veins, I feel much better about my UG products.
LOLOL
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Remember that i pissed in your mouth and shit on your face and that did not bother you so whats the big deal.
You have me confused with some other gay lover of yours.
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:-X
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yes, that is why you should always find a trustworthy source
If there is an oxymoron, it must be this: Trustworthy source of illegal drugs. Ok, I know that they aren't illegal in all countries, and you can order stuff via internet, but how in the hell you can ever deside which source is trustworthy or not? Selling piss for the bodybuilders is megabusiness in the internet, and if you get what you think you get, you have win in the lottery. There isn't such thing than trustworthy source of illegal drugs, there is only good and better scammers.
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strenger ,or pharma grade only..I'm gtg.
i Concur !!!
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If there is an oxymoron, it must be this: Trustworthy source of illegal drugs. Ok, I know that they aren't illegal in all countries, and you can order stuff via internet, but how in the hell you can ever deside which source is trustworthy or not? Selling piss for the bodybuilders is megabusiness in the internet, and if you get what you think you get, you have win in the lottery. There isn't such thing than trustworthy source of illegal drugs, there is only good and better scammers.
In some ways you hit the nail on the head, but it's not as cut and dry as that. I agree, most people talk about having a trustworthy source, and this is retarded...for most people, they trust the source just because a friend of their told them it was good or a few anonymous message board guys who happen to have numerous post.
Even so, there are high quality sources out there, very good. One thing many people don't realize is that the steroid market is unlike any recreational drug market; in-fact, the reason the war on steroids will never be won is because of this factor...these two markets are nothing a like, they can't even be compared yet they are approached in the same manner and that's why it fails.
As for the trustworthy source, there are plenty of people the world over who have various brands from various suppliers tested on a regular basis, it happens constantly and in many cases, many of the big labels are tested each and every batch. So sure, while there's a lot of crap out there, there's plenty of good gear too if you have the patience to find it and don't rely on brotastic knowledge.
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Even so, there are high quality sources out there, very good. One thing many people don't realize is that the steroid market is unlike any recreational drug market; in-fact, the reason the war on steroids will never be won is because of this factor...these two markets are nothing a like, they can't even be compared yet they are approached in the same manner and that's why it fails.
the bodybuilding & co. steroid and drug market is a recreational market.
The effects may be different from other controlled recreational drugs but
The drugs are purchased and used by choice.
Lifters lift because they want to and drug users use because they want to
Whither the drugs should be controlled or banned is a matter in its own right worthy of discussion
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the bodybuilding & co. steroid and drug market is a recreational market.
The effects may be different from other controlled recreational drugs but
The drugs are purchased and used by choice.
Lifters lift because they want to and drug users use because they want to
Whither the drugs should be controlled or banned is a matter in its own right worthy of discussion
Just about anything we do in life is a choice, there are very few actual needs...we "Need" to eat food, drink water and breathe air, but beyond that it's all choice.
Anyway, my point was while they may indeed all be strictly controlled substances in the U.S. (the U.S. is one of the strictest places on earth) the anabolic steroid using population is still vastly different from the recreational drug using population. For example, of all that supplement in the U.S. 98.5% are employed with an average household income of $70,000 per year. 71.4% have a college degree and the strong majority are white collar employees. These are hard stats as of 2007, and I can't imagine you'd find similar stats revolving around any recreational drug. The point, steroid users represent a remarkably different sample of society compared to recreational drug users.
You won't find steroid users robbing people, you won't find them killing people for steroids....I don't have this stat in front of me, but the vast majority of steroid users have no existing criminal record. There's no way any of this holds true with the vast majority of recreational drug users.
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Just about anything we do in life is a choice, there are very few actual needs...we "Need" to eat food, drink water and breathe air, but beyond that it's all choice.
Anyway, my point was while they may indeed all be strictly controlled substances in the U.S. (the U.S. is one of the strictest places on earth) the anabolic steroid using population is still vastly different from the recreational drug using population. For example, of all that supplement in the U.S. 98.5% are employed with an average household income of $70,000 per year. 71.4% have a college degree and the strong majority are white collar employees. These are hard stats as of 2007, and I can't imagine you'd find similar stats revolving around any recreational drug. The point, steroid users represent a remarkably different sample of society compared to recreational drug users.
You won't find steroid users robbing people, you won't find them killing people for steroids....I don't have this stat in front of me, but the vast majority of steroid users have no existing criminal record. There's no way any of this holds true with the vast majority of recreational drug users.
Great post Arnold.
Comparing AAS to rec drugs is like apples and oranges.
The vast majority of AAS users i have met over the years were very good people with good jobs. Of course there are bad apples in every bunch, but i have noticed that the people who use AAS responsibly are usually very successful people in the business world with no criminal background.
I've also done my fair share of rec drugs in the past and the vast majority of people who use them regularly are typically the types you would not want to be around with in public.
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Great post Arnold.
Comparing AAS to rec drugs is like apples and oranges.
The vast majority of AAS users i have met over the years were very good people with good jobs. Of course there are bad apples in every bunch, but i have noticed that the people who use AAS responsibly are usually very successful people in the business world with no criminal background.
I've also done my fair share of rec drugs in the past and the vast majority of people who use them regularly are typically the types you would not want to be around with in public.
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I'm not knocking you for your past rec drug use, I don't care what people do as long as their actions don't hurt or negatively affect other people...you know, by liberty you're free to decide how you live so as long as it doesn't infringe on the liberty of another. Anyway, just another interesting stat, the vast majority of AAS users, have never used recreational drugs such as cocaine, crack, meth, heroine, etc...the stats on marijuana are obviously much different, as I'm sure more people in all walks of life have at least smoked more so than not.