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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: El Diablo Blanco on February 08, 2012, 11:54:27 AM
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Arnold coming up, Olympia in the fall, any new changes?
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Changes...in terms of what?
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Changes...in terms of what?
Judging, format, classes, new shows anything?
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bob can you guys bring back the posing trunks of arnolds day?
the glittery thongs are making it look like gay porno to a non suspecting outsider
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Front comb-over is now a mandatory.
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bob can you guys bring back the posing trunks of arnolds day? the glittery thongs are making it look like gay porno to a non suspecting outsider
The competitors are free to wear any trunks they wish... most of the time it's not an issue, but I can't say I don't cringe every time someone feels it's necessary to hike them up their ass...
Definitely not needed
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you guys should have a synthol division and bring in those guys from south america and europe with 28 inch arms of pure oil.
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Judging, format, classes, new shows anything?
always change in shows...some last, some don't. Judging is the same format...202 is now the 212 ...as most know, we now have the much anticipated women's physique division, which should be a pleasant alternative....and one which I predict will explode over the next year or two...
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bob is it true ronnie coleman didn't train nearly as hard on a day to day basis as his videos make it appear?
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The competitors are free to wear any trunks they wish...
most of the time it's not an issue, but I can't say I don't cringe every time someone feels it's necessary to hike them up their ass...
Definitely not needed
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always change in shows...some last, some don't. Judging is the same format...202 is now the 212 ...as most know, we now have the much anticipated women's physique division, which should be a pleasant alternative....and one which I predict will explode over the next year or two...
Wome's physique differs from Bikini how?
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Will Vince be competing in the 202 or open class this year?
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Wome's physique differs from Bikini how?
tit size
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bob can you guys bring back the posing trunks of arnolds day?
the glittery thongs are making it look like gay porno to a non suspecting outsider
The trunks have nothing to do with it. People in Arnold's day thought his trunks were just as "gay porno", as you claim today's trunks are.
Besides, the men's physique competitors have shorts that go past their knees. What's the excuse for that one?
The change that I don't like is the rule that only the winners of the "small" shows qualify for the Olympia. That makes no sense, especially if you're trying to make the Olympia better.
Case in point, Brandon Curry didn't win a pro show. Yet, at the O, he beat FOUR GUYS who did (Yamagishi, Nunn, Richardson, and Alves). Heck, Richardson barely cracked the top 15; Alves placed "16th".
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The trunks have nothing to do with it. People in Arnold's day thought his trunks were just as "gay porno", as you claim today's trunks are.
Besides, the men's physique competitors have shorts that go past their knees. What's the excuse for that one?
The change that I don't like is the rule that only the winners of the "small" shows qualify for the Olympia. That makes no sense, especially if you're trying to make the Olympia better.
Case in point, Brandon Curry didn't win a pro show. Yet, at the O, he beat FOUR GUYS who did (Yamagishi, Nunn, Richardson, and Alves). Heck, Richardson barely cracked the top 15; Alves placed "16th".
brandon curry is mostl likely the best bodybuilder in the world at this time
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bob is it true ronnie coleman didn't train nearly as hard on a day to day basis as his videos make it appear?
Isn't that the case for all BBers vids...?
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The competitors are free to wear any trunks they wish...
most of the time it's not an issue, but I can't say I don't cringe every time someone feels it's necessary to hike them up their ass...
Definitely not needed
Wow I didn't know that. I thought they changed the rules to make them wear the thongs. Why all of them wear that I don't know. I'll be wearing some similar to arnolds day.
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Isn't that the case for all BBers vids...?
they usually dont train hard in videos, they just grunt and moan somewhat but the bar speed is telling the tale
in fact ronnie's double with 800lbs had pretty high bar speed
but at least he actually put monster weights on the bar
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Of course it's mostly show, the sweat is sprayed on water and stuff. They can't afford to tear a muscle for a photo shoot. But I still think Ronnie trained heavier than most.
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Of course it's mostly show, the sweat is sprayed on water and stuff. They can't afford to tear a muscle for a photo shoot. But I still think Ronnie trained heavier than most.
did ronnie use real plates?
is such a bar speed humanly possible with 8plates on each side of the barbell?
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You're right. But STILL I think he trained heavy..
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You're right. But STILL I think he trained heavy..
looking at those HARDCORE VIDEOS i cant stop but think i train with higher intensity
it looks like they always for 3 reps in the tank when they rack it
but then i think maybe they have to train with submaximal intensity to cycle their volume and max percentages in an intricate periodization scheme
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Natties train harder because they have to...
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bob is it true ronnie coleman didn't train nearly as hard on a day to day basis as his videos make it appear?
not likely...anyone who knows Ronnie, knows he trained like a madman every workout. in hindsight, I would bet he wishes he would have backed off...unnecessary and counter productive at a certain point. Dorian did the same thing...
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Natties train harder because they have to...
this is a good example of what i mean, some guy i found on youtube, now that is some real intensity if you ask me, looks about to die then does another rep and another
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Wow I didn't know that. I thought they changed the rules to make them wear the thongs. Why all of them wear that I don't know. I'll be wearing some similar to arnolds day.
You do realize people thought Arnold was gay, 40 or so years ago, right!?
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The trunks have nothing to do with it. People in Arnold's day thought his trunks were just as "gay porno", as you claim today's trunks are.
Besides, the men's physique competitors have shorts that go past their knees. What's the excuse for that one?
The change that I don't like is the rule that only the winners of the "small" shows qualify for the Olympia. That makes no sense, especially if you're trying to make the Olympia better.
Case in point, Brandon Curry didn't win a pro show. Yet, at the O, he beat FOUR GUYS who did (Yamagishi, Nunn, Richardson, and Alves). Heck, Richardson barely cracked the top 15; Alves placed "16th".
Don't like it myself, for a variety of reasons. Suggested we have one PERSON qualify at each show....not just the winner. hopefully, we won't run into a issue is one guy ends up winning 2-3 shows...
if we find it doesn't work, well take a look at it....nothing is set in stone, but we needed to do something so we don't have anymore than 15 or so qualifying at the olympia.
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this is a good example of what i mean, some guy i found on youtube, now that is some real intensity if you ask me, looks about to die then does another rep and another
Nice to watch but I put that horrible music out.....
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bob is ronnie coleman a cool guy?
can he beat you at arm wrestling?
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Natties train harder because they have to...
training hard can be fun sometimes though
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Don't like it myself, for a variety of reasons. Suggested we have one PERSON qualify at each show....not just the winner. hopefully, we won't run into a issue is one guy ends up winning 2-3 shows...
if we find it doesn't work, well take a look at it....nothing is set in stone, but we needed to do something so we don't have anymore than 15 or so qualifying at the olympia.
Back in the day, people were complaining about how few competitors there were during the late 90s and early 2000s (just 13 guys were in the 2000 Olympia). Lack of competitors supposedly meant that they weren't valuing the Olympia; that is, the number of top competitors who qualified but sat out made the show weaker.
On a different note,
- Why did they change the rules that the Mr. Universe winner no longer qualifies for the Olympia?
- The lifetime Olympia qualification for any former Mr. Olympia has been gone since 2003, correct?
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Back in the day, people were complaining about how few competitors there were during the late 90s and early 2000s (just 13 guys were in the 2000 Olympia). Lack of competitors supposedly meant that they weren't valuing the Olympia; that is, the number of top competitors who qualified but sat out made the show weaker.
On a different note,
- Why did they change the rules that the Mr. Universe winner no longer qualifies for the Olympia?
- The lifetime Olympia qualification for any former Mr. Olympia has been gone since 2003, correct?
no one was complaining, but the idea of the Olympia is that he best of the best qualify...not the 20-25 guys we've had over the last few years...increase in shows and subsequent number of qualifying spots explains it. there is always a rate of attrician of guys who opt out, get injured, sick,etc....that's a given.
Rules changed when there was no longer a Universe affiliated...the Universe became the team Universe, which we don't even have a team for anymore...
any former Mr. O has a lifetime pass....with the approval of the pro league. Of recent times, none have ever requested entry.
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no one was complaining, but the idea of the Olympia is that he best of the best qualify...not the 20-25 guys we've had over the last few years...increase in shows and subsequent number of qualifying spots explains it. there is always a rate of attrician of guys who opt out, get injured, sick,etc....that's a given.
Rules changed when there was no longer a Universe affiliated...the Universe became the team Universe, which we don't even have a team for anymore...
any former Mr. O has a lifetime pass....with the approval of the pro league. Of recent times, none have ever requested entry.
That means that, even thought he's sitting 2012 out, Dexter Jackson doesn't have to compete in 2013 to qualify for that year's Olympia. I thought they changed the rule, when Samir Bannout was contemplating another comeback while looking absolutely awful.
Unless I'm mistaken, the Team Universe became a pro qualifier, because the Universe was constantly being held in Muslim countries that weren't all that US-friendly. So TU class winners couldn't go to compete for a pro card.
There still is a separate World Amateur Bodybuilding Championships (also or formerly known as the Mr. Universe). It used to be that all the class winners qualified for the following year's Olympia. For example, Ronnie Coleman won his pro card at the '91 Universe, which qualified him for the '92 Olympia (where he placed "16th"). When they brought back the overall champion in '95, as there was none from '91 to '94, all the class winners got pro cards but only the overall champ qualified for the Olympia.
I asked that question, because when Dennis Wolf hit the scene, he was talking about his preparation for a pro show to qualify for the big O. I was confused, because I thought he already qualified by winning the 2005 World Amateur Bodybuilding Championships (or the Universe). But, someone told me that winning the Universe doesn't qualify you for the Olympia anymore.
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That means that, even thought he's sitting 2012 out, Dexter Jackson doesn't have to compete in 2013 to qualify for that year's Olympia. I thought they changed the rule, when Samir Bannout was contemplating another comeback while looking absolutely awful.
Unless I'm mistaken, the Team Universe became a pro qualifier, because the Universe was constantly being held in Muslim countries that weren't all that US-friendly. So TU class winners couldn't go to compete for a pro card.
There still is a separate World Amateur Bodybuilding Championships (also or formerly known as the Mr. Universe). It used to be that all the class winners qualified for the following year's Olympia. For example, Ronnie Coleman won his pro card at the '91 Universe, which qualified him for the '92 Olympia (where he placed "16th"). When they brought back the overall champion in '95, as there was none from '91 to '94, all the class winners got pro cards but only the overall champ qualified for the Olympia.
I asked that question, because when Dennis Wolf hit the scene, he was talking about his preparation for a pro show to qualify for the big O. I was confused, because I thought he already qualified by winning the 2005 World Amateur Bodybuilding Championships (or the Universe). But, someone told me that winning the Universe doesn't qualify you for the Olympia anymore.
That is Correct, winning the universe does not qualify for the Olympia. The only universe out there is either amateur or some other federation...
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The change in qualification rules not only keeps the Olympia at a more elite status, but it also helps the circuit shows. The theory is that more top guys will do the smaller shows in an effort to qualify for the O. Everyone knows how last year's line-ups were very 3rd tier looking through the summer.
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That is Correct, winning the universe does not qualify for the Olympia. The only universe out there is either amateur or some other federation...
Let me clarify. I was referring to the IFBB World Amateur Bodybuilding Championships, which was once known as the IFBB Mr. Universe. The Team Universe used to be a qualifier for that show. The class winners at the TU formed a team that went to the World Championships. If they won their weight classes there, they got pro cards.
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Let me clarify. I was referring to the IFBB World Amateur Bodybuilding Championships, which was once known as the IFBB Mr. Universe. The Team Universe used to be a qualifier for that show. The class winners at the TU formed a team that went to the World Championships. If they won their weight classes there, they got pro cards.
you are correct....they got pro cards, like ronnie did. no, it is not an Olympia qualifier
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you are correct....they got pro cards, like ronnie did. no, it is not an Olympia qualifier
But why the switch? Why is it that the IFBB World Amateur Bodybuilding Champion (or Mr. Universe, for ease of typing) no longer qualifies for the Olympia?
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But why the switch? Why is it that the IFBB World Amateur Bodybuilding Champion (or Mr. Universe, for ease of typing) no longer qualifies for the Olympia?
It hasn't qualified anyone for the Olympia since the old days...REALLY old days...like the 70s. since the 80s, I'm pretty sure it just got a pro card, but never a O qualification
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Why doesn't the Olympia go to Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan, or Egypt? The bodybuilding fans around the world would love to see these guys at their peak and I will bet you will sell more tickets to the show as well, the US is not the only place on the map.
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It hasn't qualified anyone for the Olympia since the old days...REALLY old days...like the 70s. since the 80s, I'm pretty sure it just got a pro card, but never a O qualification
what about the stupid special invites ?
I hope they never bring that back, just seemed to me like a slap in the face of the other pros who didn't qualify but still tryed too
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Don't like it myself, for a variety of reasons. Suggested we have one PERSON qualify at each show....not just the winner. hopefully, we won't run into a issue is one guy ends up winning 2-3 shows...
if we find it doesn't work, well take a look at it....nothing is set in stone, but we needed to do something so we don't have anymore than 15 or so qualifying at the olympia.
The company man, IFBB stooge and patsy finally spells it out in print: "We will do this and we will do that."
Guess Chick has the pro athletes rep position for 'life'.
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Why doesn't the Olympia go to Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan, or Egypt? The bodybuilding fans around the world would love to see these guys at their peak and I will bet you will sell more tickets to the show as well, the US is not the only place on the map.
Fear of bombings? :D
Once these locations have an IFBB pro show, it would make them more of a logical location for a big show like the Olympia. Don't think that the Olympia will ever leave Vegas though. It is too profitable in that location and is much easier and cheaper to organize in the same location every year. (Why do you think Arnold holds his show in Columbus year after year?)
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what about the stupid special invites ?
I hope they never bring that back, just seemed to me like a slap in the face of the other pros who didn't qualify but still tryed too
haven't been any of those since Wayne's departure...and won't be.
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Why doesn't the Olympia go to Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan, or Egypt? The bodybuilding fans around the world would love to see these guys at their peak and I will bet you will sell more tickets to the show as well, the US is not the only place on the map.
for many reasons...
why isn't the Super Bowl anywhere else? same for the "world series"...which seems to only include USA and Canada?
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bob can you guys bring back the posing trunks of arnolds day?
the glittery thongs are making it look like gay porno to a non suspecting outsider
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Fear of bombings? :D
Once these locations have an IFBB pro show, it would make them more of a logical location for a big show like the Olympia. Don't think that the Olympia will ever leave Vegas though. It is too profitable in that location and is much easier and cheaper to organize in the same location every year. (Why do you think Arnold holds his show in Columbus year after year?)
I agree, it makes it easier and cheaper to organize having it in the same place, but it gets old going to the same venue year in and year out. I'd like to see it move around again.
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given the size of the fatty you date, I can see where you might think that's a thong...
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given the size of the fatty you date, I can see where you might think that's a thong...
dont be so defensive
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dont be so defensive
Don't be so queer
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for many reasons...
why isn't the Super Bowl anywhere else? same for the "world series"...which seems to only include USA and Canada?
bodybuilding is a worldwide activity though, baseball, football, those are American sports that most other countries don't play. Soccer is huge in other countries, not in the US though. So if bodybuilding is huge in other countries it make sense to have the Olympia there once in a while since it's a worldwide activity, look at the places of birth in the Olympia lineup. Arnold was not from America, everything doesn't revolve around the US, bodybuilding could become more popular if you had Olympia out of US and rotated sites, I know it would be a pain in the ass, but it would gain more audience.
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bodybuilding is a worldwide activity though, baseball, football, those are American sports that most other countries don't play. Soccer is huge in other countries, not in the US though. So if bodybuilding is huge in other countries it make sense to have the Olympia there once in a while since it's a worldwide activity, look at the places of birth in the Olympia lineup. Arnold was not from America, everything doesn't revolve around the US, bodybuilding could become more popular if you had Olympia out of US and rotated sites, I know it would be a pain in the ass, but it would gain more audience.
Not necessarily. The cost to put on a show can vary from location to location. For example, it would be much more expensive to hold a show in London, with the high costs for hotel rooms, venues, food, labor, etc., than to hold it in Las Vegas, where the occupation rate for hotel rooms is currently very low and options for show venues is extremely varied so prices are low. In addition, by holding it in the same location every year, the IFBB can establish relationships with hotels and conference locations to save money.
By all means, have a pro show in the middle east. Once that is established as a success and money maker, then consider running the Olympia there. Until that time, doesn't make sense to make the risky step of trying to do the Olympia in an untested market.
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The competitors are free to wear any trunks they wish...
most of the time it's not an issue, but I can't say I don't cringe every time someone feels it's necessary to hike them up their ass...
Definitely not needed
no way those old trunks are coming back to modern bodybuilding.....how would you expect these guys to display their Striated Glutes?......somethings should just stay in the past......
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given the size of the fatty you date, I can see where you might think that's a thong...
Fucking LOL hahahaha
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Not necessarily. The cost to put on a show can vary from location to location. For example, it would be much more expensive to hold a show in London, with the high costs for hotel rooms, venues, food, labor, etc., than to hold it in Las Vegas, where the occupation rate for hotel rooms is currently very low and options for show venues is extremely varied so prices are low. In addition, by holding it in the same location every year, the IFBB can establish relationships with hotels and conference locations to save money.
By all means, have a pro show in the middle east. Once that is established as a success and money maker, then consider running the Olympia there. Until that time, doesn't make sense to make the risky step of trying to do the Olympia in an untested market.
I agree, I wouldn't chose London though, somewhere in the middle east is where the money is at. The oil rich countries, they love bodybuilding, I am sure they would even pay for all the airfare, hotel costs and food, and gear for the competitors they are filthy rich. They have lavish hotels as well. They should try it at least once and see how it goes. You see how many pro's go to Dubai and other Arab countries to pose, there is money over their. They would probably even lower the hotel rates to match Vegas rates as well to get any Americans who wanted to attend so they just could get the Olympia in their country.
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It hasn't qualified anyone for the Olympia since the old days...REALLY old days...like the 70s. since the 80s, I'm pretty sure it just got a pro card, but never a O qualification
Winning his class at the Universe in 1991 is how Ronnie Coleman qualified for the 1992 Olympia.
Remember the debuts of Gunter Schlierkamp and Roland Czurlok at the 1994 Olympia? They won their respective classes at the '93 World Amateur Bodybuilding Championships. I don't recall either man competing at any other pro show, prior to the Olympia.
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Why doesn't the Olympia go to Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan, or Egypt? The bodybuilding fans around the world would love to see these guys at their peak and I will bet you will sell more tickets to the show as well, the US is not the only place on the map.
The last Mr. Olympia held outside the US was the 1992 one in Finland, where Dorian Yates won. I believe they've all been in US since 1993.
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The last Mr. Olympia held outside the US was the 1992 one in Finland, where Dorian Yates won. I believe they've all been in US since 1993.
interesting fact, I did not know that. I think the Arabs would foot the bill for everything if they had it in their country of choice. Hotel, everything, just look at all the pros who go over there, they never have a negative thing to say, in fact they go back yearly time after time.
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Winning his class at the Universe in 1991 is how Ronnie Coleman qualified for the 1992 Olympia.
Remember the debuts of Gunter Schlierkamp and Roland Czurlok at the 1994 Olympia? They won their respective classes at the '93 World Amateur Bodybuilding Championships. I don't recall either man competing at any other pro show, prior to the Olympia.
It was by invite, I believe...as Ronnie competed a few times before the Olympia and didn't place very well. Glad the old Wayne D invite days went out with him...
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It was by invite, I believe...as Ronnie competed a few times before the Olympia and didn't place very well. Glad the old Wayne D invite days went out with him...
According to one website, he placed 11th and 14th at the Chicago Pro Invitational and NOC, respectively.
It makes no sense to invite someone with such meager showings. I also remember reading in one of my MuscleMags that someone asked what it took to qualify for the Olympia. Among the answers was winning your class at the Universe.
That would explain Czurlock and Schlierkamp, unless they got invites, too.
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Don't like it myself, for a variety of reasons. Suggested we have one PERSON qualify at each show....not just the winner. hopefully, we won't run into a issue is one guy ends up winning 2-3 shows...
if we find it doesn't work, well take a look at it....nothing is set in stone, but we needed to do something so we don't have anymore than 15 or so qualifying at the olympia.
We agree on that one one BOB. If one person from every show qualified, no matter what, the problem would be solved. We would still end up with 15-20 qualified and when a couple pull out or get injured. We will get 15 on stage. I am finding it very hard to sign the guys this year as their dream has been killed off.
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The last Mr. Olympia held outside the US was the 1992 one in Finland, where Dorian Yates won. I believe they've all been in US since 1993.
Yes and has been in vagas since 99,
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Yes and has been in vagas since 99,
it would be cool if they changed the country where they old the olympia like they did before
but I guess if they keep doing it this way, it's because they make more money by having it in vegas
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it would be cool if they changed the country where they old the olympia like they did before
but I guess if they keep doing it this way, it's because they make more money by having it in vegas
they really don't know until they try it in a rich Arab country and see what the money is like now, they never had it their and it could be a huge money maker and crowd draw.
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Don't like it myself, for a variety of reasons. Suggested we have one PERSON qualify at each show....not just the winner. hopefully, we won't run into a issue is one guy ends up winning 2-3 shows...
if we find it doesn't work, well take a look at it....nothing is set in stone, but we needed to do something so we don't have anymore than 15 or so qualifying at the olympia.
if u guys want to tighten up the Olympia qualification do it gradually.u guys cud have start with top 2 qualify for Olympia instead of top 3 or 5 in pro shows.if top 2 are already qualified 3rd and 4rth cud have given the qualification.only winner Olympia qualification option seems bit extream to me.it will drive lots of competitor away.guys wud think oh so and so gonna win why would i even bother.
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We agree on that one one BOB. If one person from every show qualified, no matter what, the problem would be solved. We would still end up with 15-20 qualified and when a couple pull out or get injured. We will get 15 on stage. I am finding it very hard to sign the guys this year as their dream has been killed off.
This is what I said when they changed things the smaller promoters are screwed.
Jesus Christ the Olympia used to have 30 competitors during the 80's and it was no problem. You know why? They didn't dick around with all the rubbish they have onstage today.
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Why doesn't the Olympia go to Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan, or Egypt? The bodybuilding fans around the world would love to see these guys at their peak and I will bet you will sell more tickets to the show as well, the US is not the only place on the map.
The Mr. Olympia contest itself can probably move around if it was just that - one contest. However, in the last 10+ years, it is a whole event, a whole weekend, with 4 other contesta, a few other non-bodybuilding events, and a place where hundreds of booths and supplements companies go to. Las Vegas is the perfect destination for this event. Tons of hotels, and people from all over the world come to this event. You need a large enough arena, and a place for the convention expo. Vegas has proved it is the right place for the Olympia, just as Columbus is for the Arnold, just as FIBO is for Germany.
Yes, lets go to one of those countries, where woman cant even go without being harrassed, where Americans are being detained, and you need to be careful just to be safe. The US is where a ton of the supplement companies are at, and this is a place where they introduce many of the new products for the fall and winter seasons.
what about the stupid special invites? I hope they never bring that back, just seemed to me like a slap in the face of the other pros who didn't qualify but still tryed too
If they do not have 15 people in the Olympia, in any contest, a special invite, if needed should be issued. Especially if someone did very well, and loses by a few points, and doesnt qualify because they chose to compete in a 'harder and tougher' lineup over an easier one. It will especially be important for the Fitness or Figure or Bikini Olympia this year, because all IFBB shows, only one person qualifies, and if you are already qualified, then no one goes.
Don't like it myself, for a variety of reasons. Suggested we have one PERSON qualify at each show....not just the winner. hopefully, we won't run into a issue is one guy ends up winning 2-3 shows...
Yes, not a fan of this rule, and it may hurt the promoters because if someone who is already qualified wants to compete, no one else may have a chance to qualify, hence why even compete at that contest. The best rule change will be that ONE person qualifies at every contest. If first place already qualified, then the next one goes. Now that would make each contest something to work hard to compete in.
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There should be one spot up for grabs at every show for someone who ISN'T already qualified. Last year a lot of different people won the various shows but that is far from a given. Vince Taylor and flex used to win the majority of non Olympia shows in certain years.
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Yes, lets go to one of those countries, where woman cant even go without being harassed, where Americans are being detained, and you need to be careful just to be safe. The US is where a ton of the supplement companies are at, and this is a place where they introduce many of the new products for the fall and winter seasons.
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u Jew mo fo u dont miss a chance to bash Muslim countries.why not look into ur own back yard(usa) where rape cases are highest in the world.underage pregnancies highest in the world.domestic violence highest in the world.u make me sick.
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Sounds to me like the pro athletes endorse all these rules. No doubt about it at all. Shows what a great job Chick is doing.
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Get your head out of your ass Ron.