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Title: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: purenaturalstrength on February 10, 2012, 06:26:25 AM
this is the only lift that doesnt improve despite hardest efforts
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: Hulkotron on February 10, 2012, 06:27:21 AM
UTD
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: wes on February 10, 2012, 06:27:52 AM
5x5
partials
rest pause
3x3
more drugs  ;D


All of the above might help.
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: purenaturalstrength on February 10, 2012, 06:32:06 AM
5x5
partials
rest pause
3x3
more drugs  ;D


All of the above might help.

i do 5x5 on wednesday, the plan was to do 4 weeks of this, then change to 3x3 for 5 weeks

but on the fourth week the plan failed

try again next week or switch to 3x3 regardless?
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: BigCyp on February 10, 2012, 06:35:10 AM
i do 5x5 on wednesday, the plan was to do 4 weeks of this, then change to 3x3 for 5 weeks

but on the fourth week the plan failed

try again next week or switch to 3x3 regardless?

Have you tried lowering the weight and doing 'explosive movements' (best done on smith for safety lol) aka blasting the bar really fast on the up, and catching it/lowering it down - repeat for sets of 5 until failure.

This helped me break plateu on military press, especially in the first 20% of ROM when I feel I am lagging.
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: Brocty on February 10, 2012, 06:51:14 AM
 halo drol tren  :)
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: wes on February 10, 2012, 06:54:16 AM
i do 5x5 on wednesday, the plan was to do 4 weeks of this, then change to 3x3 for 5 weeks

but on the fourth week the plan failed

try again next week or switch to 3x3 regardless?
You could try doing Giant-Sets !!  LOL  ;D

Just kidding,put the gun down!  ;D
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: purenaturalstrength on February 10, 2012, 06:55:20 AM
ARE SEATED BEHIND THE NECK BARBELL PRESSES SUPERIOR TO STANDING OVERHEAD PRESSES (front)?


i saw that ed coan does seated behind the neck presses


no standing front presses


i wonder
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: supernick on February 10, 2012, 07:09:20 AM
why not just  sit??? standing hurts my lower back.....is there any benefit over sitting
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: aesthetics on February 10, 2012, 07:11:37 AM
close grip, bench lockouts, etc...


mostly triceps
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: purenaturalstrength on February 10, 2012, 07:18:23 AM
why not just  sit??? standing hurts my lower back.....is there any benefit over sitting
i wonder


these strength programs all stress that u have to do it standing

but never explain....


some egyptian guy claimed it engages the transversus adominis more oir soomething
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: wes on February 10, 2012, 07:20:38 AM
I do all of my pressing exercises seated these days.
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: purenaturalstrength on February 10, 2012, 07:27:41 AM
I do all of my pressing exercises seated these days.
seems like only behind the neck seated makes sense


the front ones turn into an incline bench
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: aesthetics on February 10, 2012, 07:33:31 AM
i don't like BTN press because mechanically it puts the shoulder in a bad position and my shoulders are bad enough already to the point of preventing me from lifting at 100%. there is really not much difference, greater medial delt activation with BTN but, not a big deal as you can superset with side laterals before the overhead press in order to fully exhaust the medial delt.

though, i think for a natural, hypertrophy specific trainign should be discarded. i don't think you can make a lot of gains in size as a natural and you should instead focus on going heavy as hell, you know? do a power lifting routine, bands chains, explosive lifting, etc...
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: purenaturalstrength on February 10, 2012, 07:36:55 AM
i don't like BTN press because mechanically it puts the shoulder in a bad position and my shoulders are bad enough already to the point of preventing me from lifting at 100%. there is really not much difference, greater medial delt activation with BTN but, not a big deal as you can superset with side laterals before the overhead press in order to fully exhaust the medial delt.

though, i think for a natural, hypertrophy specific trainign should be discarded. i don't think you can make a lot of gains in size as a natural and you should instead focus on going heavy as hell, you know? do a power lifting routine, bands chains, explosive lifting, etc...
yes totally, i do this routine at the moment
http://stronglifts.com/madcow/5x5_Program/Periodized_5x5.htm

it actually works but i'm struggling incredibly with the overhead press


maybe i should just use smaller increments,

i increase weight 2.5 kg on all lifts weekly but considering i use more than double for squats trhan for overhead i should maybe use 1kg increases in overhead? lol
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on February 10, 2012, 07:37:33 AM
this is the only lift that doesnt improve despite hardest efforts

up the dose
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: purenaturalstrength on February 10, 2012, 07:38:44 AM
up the dose

it should be possible to overhead press 1xbodyweight for a couple of reps natural according to stuart mc robert

lol
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: B_B_C on February 10, 2012, 07:41:38 AM
ARE SEATED BEHIND THE NECK BARBELL PRESSES SUPERIOR TO STANDING OVERHEAD PRESSES (front)?
i saw that ed coan does seated behind the neck presses
no standing front presses
i wonder

might be of some use:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=408448.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=408448.0)
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: Metabolic on February 10, 2012, 07:44:24 AM
More accesory work directed to the weak points?
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: StanZoLOL on February 10, 2012, 07:47:55 AM
No secrets. More muscle/more drugs. It's a very genetic lift, much harder to progress than bench.
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: purenaturalstrength on February 10, 2012, 07:57:17 AM
More accesory work directed to the weak points?

the more accessory work i did

the worse my main lifts got

too much recovery wasting?

lol

off to the gym

bye friends
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: funk51 on February 10, 2012, 07:58:15 AM
this is the only lift that doesnt improve despite hardest efforts
go on this man's site for the answer.
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: deceiver on February 10, 2012, 08:00:04 AM
In all honesty from my own experience... Drugs. The more I take the better millitary press I have. On the contrary to squats or deads where I don't see rapid improvement from drugs, they go up whatever I do.
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: Metabolic on February 10, 2012, 08:01:28 AM
the more accessory work i did

the worse my main lifts got

too much recovery wasting?

lol

off to the gym

bye friends

Its true too much volume may interfere, but they even talk about tailoring it to your needs, and it seems you need to. 
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: the trainer on February 10, 2012, 08:05:03 AM
Inject gh into the delts.
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on February 10, 2012, 08:09:41 AM
Inject gh into the delts.

This. with a slin pin too.
Title: Re: what's the secret to progress in military press/overhead press?
Post by: kh300 on February 10, 2012, 09:08:30 AM
yes totally, i do this routine at the moment
http://stronglifts.com/madcow/5x5_Program/Periodized_5x5.htm

it actually works but i'm struggling incredibly with the overhead press


maybe i should just use smaller increments,

i increase weight 2.5 kg on all lifts weekly but considering i use more than double for squats trhan for overhead i should maybe use 1kg increases in overhead? lol

I'm doing the same. My seated press was stuck forever. I started doing them standing and cheating with my legs like crazy. This cycle I went back to seated and it jumped up 20lbs.