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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: Lebaneselion on February 10, 2012, 11:44:10 PM
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Do pros do this? If on juice can u train longer?
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Do pros do this? If on juice can u train longer?
They didn't know any better... Today's pros do, so no.
I guess you could train longer, but it's better to train with more intensity.
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They didn't know any better... Today's pros do, so no.
I guess you could train longer, but it's better to train with more intensity.
uhm what, have you seen how arnold trained? are you going to say he didn't train with intensity? that's ridiculous
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They slept for the other 18
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So wud there be more benefit to training longer or no?
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uhm what, have you seen how arnold trained? are you going to say he didn't train with intensity? that's ridiculous
He trained with intensity yes (c'mon) what i meant is that it's better to go all out then spend hours at the gym. I'm sure guys back then were seriously over trained.
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So wud there be more benefit to training longer or no?
No, just go all out.
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They slept for the other 18
;D
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He trained with intensity yes (c'mon) what i meant is that it's better to go all out then spend hours at the gym. I'm sure guys back then were seriously over trained.
i don't understand what you mean by intensity. my understanding of what you are saying is that spending hours in the gym, past the first say 90 minutes of full intensity, is redundant and wasting time? i some what agree, i don't really think one training routine works unilaterally for all people.
when i was a natural i did try the arnold approach and it did work for me, probably the best in the way of size gains i could muster as a natural. i haven't really tried it since i've been "on" as steroids have made me exceptionally lazy with a poor work ethic hahah ;D
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i don't understand what you mean by intensity. my understanding of what you are saying is that spending hours in the gym, past the first say 90 minutes of full intensity, is redundant and wasting time? i some what agree, i don't really think one training routine works unilaterally for all people.
When i was younger i spent hours in the gym and past a certain point the weights used dropped significantly and the sets were more like pumping and i was there simply because i didn't realize that quality reigns supreme to quantity.
When i started to do fewer sets with heavier weights i could squeeze out every last bit out of the muscle while spending less time in the gym and my results sky rocketed.
Everything has evolved: drug regimens, nutrition, supplements, training protocols and results.
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Arnold didnt have a real job so basicly he had nothing else to do. Go to the gym, eat and hang out at the beach.....tough life.
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Arnold didnt have a real job so basicly he had nothing else to do. Go to the gym, eat and hang out at the beach.....tough life.
Pretty sure him and franco went to school in CA part-time in the evenings.....
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It was simply work ethic, they worked hard for everything they had, at work and in the gym, the more you put in the more you got out was their philosophy...
Today people do as little as possible to get where they want to be in the modern world.. hence all the silly dosing of growth, slin and training piss poor..
The fact is if you took those bodybuilders back then and give them todays drugs you would see some of the best conditioned bodies ever to walk to stages.
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It was simply work ethic, they worked hard for everything they had, at work and in the gym, the more you put in the more you got out was their philosophy...
Today people do as little as possible to get where they want to be in the modern world.. hence all the silly dosing of growth, slin and training piss poor..
The fact is if you took those bodybuilders back then and give them todays drugs you would see some of the best conditioned bodies ever to walk to stages.
So in other words training longer is better
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No not at all but they had good diets and good work ethic, you give them modern drugs and modern science and they would be better than most present day
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i don't understand what you mean by intensity. my understanding of what you are saying is that spending hours in the gym, past the first say 90 minutes of full intensity, is redundant and wasting time? i some what agree, i don't really think one training routine works unilaterally for all people.
when i was a natural i did try the arnold approach and it did work for me, probably the best in the way of size gains i could muster as a natural. i haven't really tried it since i've been "on" as steroids have made me exceptionally lazy with a poor work ethic hahah ;D
I did the Arnold plan when I first really got into training, made some pretty decent progress the first few months...probably more in that time frame than ever before or sense; however, if you're going by his book, once you get to phase two it's impossible without gear IMO. Level two, you're talking each body-part three times a week, I mean we're talking 40-50 sets per body part per week. Anyway, even at level one, without gear you've got to be relatively young to recover from these workouts IMO.
Anyway, your comment "steroids have made me exceptionally lazy with a poor work ethic" I was always the opposite. My understanding, at least the way I always saw it was the whole point in supplementing with steroids was to take what you're already doing right and to simply do it a little better. If anything, I worked harder on than off.
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I did the Arnold plan when I first really got into training, made some pretty decent progress the first few months...probably more in that time frame than ever before or sense; however, if you're going by his book, once you get to phase two it's impossible without gear IMO. Level two, you're talking each body-part three times a week, I mean we're talking 40-50 sets per body part per week. Anyway, even at level one, without gear you've got to be relatively young to recover from these workouts IMO.
Anyway, your comment "steroids have made me exceptionally lazy with a poor work ethic" I was always the opposite. My understanding, at least the way I always saw it was the whole point in supplementing with steroids was to take what you're already doing right and to simply do it a little better. If anything, I worked harder on than off.
Where can u find his book bro?
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http://www.google.pt/search?aq=0&oq=arnold+body&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=arnold+bodybuilding+encyclopedia+pdf
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fuck I trained for 7 hours a day when I was 21, after I tore my acl I sat in a chair doing 3 main lifts for almost a year
all I did was dumbell military, curl, pushups, dips, and flies for like 18 months.
by the end, I had added the 45lb bells I was using to my max, went from doing 175lbs military to 265lbs, went form 230lbs bench to 305lbs, all at 175lbs of BW.
good times
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fuck I trained for 7 hours a day when I was 21, after I tore my acl I sat in a chair doing 3 main lifts for almost a year
all I did was dumbell military, curl, pushups, dips, and flies for like 18 months.
by the end, I had added the 45lb bells I was using to my max, went from doing 175lbs military to 265lbs, went form 230lbs bench to 305lbs, all at 175lbs of BW.
good times
Were u on anything at the time? Thats some good improvements
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Where can u find his book bro?
Any bookstore or online. I wouldn't recommend it though...it's virtually impossible to not over train and there's simply too many options with training that are far more efficient.
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Were u on anything at the time? Thats some good improvements
yeah I took a couple cycles of dbol and sust and dbol and enanth, finished off with about 6 weeks of winny v on one of em
probably was on for 20 weeks of that 16 to 18 month period
when I tore my acl I was clean, running and playing basketball for 4 hours a day, lifting for 1, I was in amazing shape and I was getting offers to walk on at colleges for basketball and football, then I tore my acl and lost a foot on my vertical and gained a second on my 100m time.
When you bench 250lbs at 170lbs of BW, run a 10.7s 100m and vertical jump 35 inches, along with being a lock down cover guy and sure tackler, you are a prized commodity. When you are the same strength but run 11.7s 100m and jump 24 inches, you aren't even spoken too.
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Probably just got used to it...
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yeah I took a couple cycles of dbol and sust and dbol and enanth, finished off with about 6 weeks of winny v on one of em
probably was on for 20 weeks of that 16 to 18 month period
when I tore my acl I was clean, running and playing basketball for 4 hours a day, lifting for 1, I was in amazing shape and I was getting offers to walk on at colleges for basketball and football, then I tore my acl and lost a foot on my vertical and gained a second on my 100m time.
When you bench 250lbs at 170lbs of BW, run a 10.7s 100m and vertical jump 35 inches, along with being a lock down cover guy and sure tackler, you are a prized commodity. When you are the same strength but run 11.7s 100m and jump 24 inches, you aren't even spoken too.
hahah i bet you are regretting running that winny cycle for the rest of your life
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I've run win a few times, not my favorite chem. by any means. I'll leave it for the ladies.
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I did the Arnold plan when I first really got into training, made some pretty decent progress the first few months...probably more in that time frame than ever before or sense; however, if you're going by his book, once you get to phase two it's impossible without gear IMO. Level two, you're talking each body-part three times a week, I mean we're talking 40-50 sets per body part per week. Anyway, even at level one, without gear you've got to be relatively young to recover from these workouts IMO.
Anyway, your comment "steroids have made me exceptionally lazy with a poor work ethic" I was always the opposite. My understanding, at least the way I always saw it was the whole point in supplementing with steroids was to take what you're already doing right and to simply do it a little better. If anything, I worked harder on than off.
im with aesthetics. back when i was a natural i made great gains training 7 days a week, few hours per body part, over 20 sets to failure and beyond. just kicking my own ass into oblivion everyday, everyworkout. doesnt work like that for me on juice though. get good results just doign a couple sets, squeezing the muscle, and leaving the gym to go rest. if i kick ass and go to failure a bunch now, i overtrain, lose strength, and make no progress. as a natty it worked great though.
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Isnt it meant to be the oppsite? Shud gain better while juicing?
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im with aesthetics. back when i was a natural i made great gains training 7 days a week, few hours per body part, over 20 sets to failure and beyond. just kicking my own ass into oblivion everyday, everyworkout. doesnt work like that for me on juice though. get good results just doign a couple sets, squeezing the muscle, and leaving the gym to go rest. if i kick ass and go to failure a bunch now, i overtrain, lose strength, and make no progress. as a natty it worked great though.
When you were natural? Are you saying that you were on AAS in those pics you posted? I thought you were a 45 year old putting up progress pics.
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When you were natural? Are you saying that you were on AAS in those pics you posted? I thought you were a 45 year old putting up progress pics.
huh ?
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Isnt it meant to be the oppsite? Shud gain better while juicing?
do what works, not what you think should work
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im with aesthetics. back when i was a natural i made great gains training 7 days a week, few hours per body part, over 20 sets to failure and beyond. just kicking my own ass into oblivion everyday, everyworkout. doesnt work like that for me on juice though. get good results just doign a couple sets, squeezing the muscle, and leaving the gym to go rest. if i kick ass and go to failure a bunch now, i overtrain, lose strength, and make no progress. as a natty it worked great though.
Dude that makes absolutely no sense at all LOL
Don't know how that worked for you, but it's good you figured out your body, good work
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im with aesthetics. back when i was a natural i made great gains training 7 days a week, few hours per body part, over 20 sets to failure and beyond. just kicking my own ass into oblivion everyday, everyworkout. doesnt work like that for me on juice though. get good results just doign a couple sets, squeezing the muscle, and leaving the gym to go rest. if i kick ass and go to failure a bunch now, i overtrain, lose strength, and make no progress. as a natty it worked great though.
When I first read your response, my initial reaction was like what Fast Lane said, that doesn't make any sense. However, if I were to guess, I'd say you probably had good progress like that when you were natural for the same reason I had good progress like that when I was natural...you were younger, your body was fresh and you would have probably responded well to just about anything.
As for being on gear or not, too many sets is too many sets...of course you can over train either way, even so, you're overall recovery abilities should be better on-cycle than not. If not, something's not right, because that's one of the main points to AAS.
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I never, ever need more than 40 minutes for a bodypart
ever
and if it takes 40 minutes, it's because someone talked to me for a few minutes
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I used to train for 4 hours but learned that was a shitty way to train Unless you break up the training. like say workout for an hour and go grab some food and go back and workout a diffrent bodypart for another hour then go eat again go back to the gym and swim for about a hour. then tan for 30-40minutes. that is pretty close to 4 hours.They had nothing else to do but train! they were all addicted to working out! none of them had a job or had anything better to do. I heard the stories of frank zane doing abs for like 2 hours. then trained other muscle groups after that so 4 hours would go pretty quick if you spent 2 hours just doing diffrent kinds of sit-ups. Some guys squated for a few hours. same deal after that they probably did a few other excersises and I bet 3-4 hours went by fast. I used to train kind of stupid and be in at the gym for 3-4 hours but that is not necessary. 1 hour of intense training just a few muscle groups is all it takes. some days I just train chest for a hour and that is it! same with legs once a week for just a hour per workout. like someone said earlier if you workout hard and keep the intensity high and the time between sets real low like 30 seconds that is all you need to do.But when you just workout for a hour per session you pretty much have to train everyday. or at least 6 days a week
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well if you look at most serious athletes who train for several hours a day they are pretty ripped up. professional football players, baseball players, basketball players, gymnasts, sprinters, etc. ya alot of them use roids but still, any serious athlete who trains their ass off looks pretty good. and as a natty you cant really build much muscle anyways, so i think more= better for natural trainers, at least to a certain extent.
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well if you look at most serious athletes who train for several hours a day they are pretty ripped up. professional football players, baseball players, basketball players, gymnasts, sprinters, etc. ya alot of them use roids but still, any serious athlete who trains their ass off looks pretty good. and as a natty you cant really build much muscle anyways, so i think more= better for natural trainers, at least to a certain extent.
Not any, there is a lot of top athletes that look like shit simply because their 'look' has nothing to do with their goals.
And what does this example has to do with bodybuilding anyway?