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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Borracho on February 13, 2012, 02:58:38 PM
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Is it safe to say these dudes were not on gh?
(http://www.schwarzenegger.it/mro/oliva/so193.jpg)
(http://www.iron-age-classic-bodybuilding.com/images/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_Workout.jpg)
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They were, look at their jaws, but prob on lower dosages and less effective stuff.
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They were, look at their jaws, but prob on lower dosages and less effective stuff.
Arnie's jaw looks the most Neanderthal like. I'm just trying to determine what is really achievable on absolutely zero growth hormone.
There was a big jump in size from the bbers of the 50's to the 70's wasn't there?
I think it was you that posted a chart with actual weights of bbers before...I'm gonna look that up
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Good question, but why do you want to know? Because of its high price?
They made a big step forward in those 2 decades, the overall quality of the gear has increased a lot.
Any gear historians here, who can elaborate on this?
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Good question, but why do you want to know? Because of its high price?
They made a big step forward in those 2 decades, the overall quality of the gear has increased a lot.
Any gear historians here, who can elaborate on this?
Gear was legal and accessible in the 70`s and 80`s,plus advancements in nutrition,training,and better exercise equipment.
Guys in the 50`s trained whole body 3 X a week for the most part.........Arnold trained twice a day 6 X a week before a contest.
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if one does a little research on gh.... it was available mid to late 70's as crescormon.... a commercial cadaver gh product.
i think even before that period it would be available to people with money.... i mean today we can get our hands on peptides that are not even used in medicine yet.... all about connections....
wasn't any different in the 70's.
now think about how your bodybuilding mind works.... what would you do ????
you think aahhhnold was any different?????
NO! lol....
yes arnold experimented with gh... and i bet some of his buddies as well....
it was not like the abuse today though... and it was cadaver!!! same stuff your body makes....
works a little better i think....
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ahh fuck it ;D
Just gonna be speculation anyway. Thing is I'm afraid of gh sides and was wondering what might be possible solely on high aas doses. I'll never look anything like sergio no matter what I take anyway...stupid thread. Throw it in the trash along with the benny b threads.
Nothing to see here folks.
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and it was cadaver!!! same stuff your body makes....
works a little better i think....
Recombinant DNA synthesis is exactly like your body makes...but without the Creutzfeldt–Jakob...
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if one does a little research on gh.... it was available mid to late 70's as crescormon.... a commercial cadaver gh product.
i think even before that period it would be available to people with money.... i mean today we can get our hands on peptides that are not even used in medicine yet.... all about connections....
wasn't any different in the 70's.
now think about how your bodybuilding mind works.... what would you do ????
you think aahhhnold was any different?????
NO! lol....
yes arnold experimented with gh... and i bet some of his buddies as well....
it was not like the abuse today though... and it was cadaver!!! same stuff your body makes....
works a little better i think....
I`m not doubting you,and I`ve heard it said before,but who saw Arnold inject GH and reported it......anybody know ?
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3,2,1 until GH15 responds.
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Gear was legal and accessible in the 70`s and 80`s,plus advancements in nutrition,training,and better exercise equipment.
Guys in the 50`s trained whole body 3 X a week for the most part.........Arnold trained twice a day 6 X a week before a contest.
See, what you say here makes me wanna believe that guys like Sergio and Arnold were all hard work and just good ol gear like deca/dbol/primo.
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Arnie's jaw has always been square. The bullshit that proliferates around here is rediculous.
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3,2,1 until GH15 responds.
I`ve been waiting too. ;D
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Arnie's jaw has always been square. The bullshit that proliferates around here is rediculous.
Arnold had surgery to reduce his jawline.
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if one does a little research on gh.... it was available mid to late 70's as crescormon.... a commercial cadaver gh product.
i think even before that period it would be available to people with money.... i mean today we can get our hands on peptides that are not even used in medicine yet.... all about connections....
wasn't any different in the 70's.
now think about how your bodybuilding mind works.... what would you do ????
you think aahhhnold was any different?????
NO! lol....
yes arnold experimented with gh... and i bet some of his buddies as well....
it was not like the abuse today though... and it was cadaver!!! same stuff your body makes....
works a little better i think....
Well, bodybuilders are always the first to try shit out...walking experiments lol
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How much GH do you guys think Leno takes? His hands seem pretty big too.
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See, what you say here makes me wanna believe that guys like Sergio and Arnold were all hard work and just good ol gear like deca/dbol/primo.
I see no proof that they used GH,other than hearsay.
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I see no proof that they used GH,other than hearsay.
I think its safe to say that they weren't running no 15 ius of gh plus insulin otherwise they would have mutated into one of todays beasts. Also, had they been on a low dose constantly I think we would've at least seen them in better condition. Maybe they tried it but not enough for it to make a noticeable difference in their physiques.
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I think its safe to say that they weren't running no 15 ius of gh plus insulin otherwise they would have mutated into one of todays beasts. Also, had they been on a low dose constantly I think we would've at least seen them in better condition. Maybe they tried it but not enough for it to make a noticeable difference in their physiques.
It`s certainly possible,but nobody truly knows,regardless of what they tell you.
Until I see proof,it never happened.
Of course here on getbig,guys can tell you what you`re on just by taking a look at you right down to the last milligram. ;D
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no hgh = no bodybuild
gh15 approved. 8)
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the cadaver gh is strong.
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Cadaver GH was around,and we all know what these guys would do to get to the top...............but if no one saw it happen,it means jackshit..........just conjecture.
No real telltale signs of GH use/abuse IMO.........elbows,hands,jawline,etc.
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Recombinant DNA synthesis is exactly like your body makes...but without the Creutzfeldt–Jakob...
well yeah i know.... but dudes that i know who have used it, swore it was stronger...
kinda like the tren A vs Tren E thing.... only the ester is different...it's the same hormone right.?? well irl it is night and day difference...doesn't make sense i agree....
also on cadaver gh they had permanent changes much faster then with the synthetic gh...
and the creutzfeldt jakob thing.... well a handfull got it.... that is just a little % of the total people who have used it.... if i ever run into some cadaver.... i'll take it! lol!! ;D ;D ;D
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well yeah i know.... but dudes that i know who have used it, swore it was stronger...
kinda like the tren A vs Tren E thing.... only the ester is different...it's the same hormone right.?? well irl it is night and day difference...doesn't make sense i agree....
also on cadaver gh they had permanent changes much faster then with the synthetic gh...
and the creutzfeldt jakob thing.... well a handfull got it.... that is just a little % of the total people who have used it.... if i ever run into some cadaver.... i'll take it! lol!! ;D ;D ;D
Just kill a few people and store them in your cellar......when you run out,kill some more.......you`ll be huge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Cadaver GH was around,and we all know what these guys would do to get to the top...............but if no one saw it happen,it means jackshit..........just conjecture.
No real telltale signs of GH use/abuse IMO.........elbows,hands,jawline,etc.
this was exactly the point i was trying to make....
they did whatever it took, just like todays champs... cadaver was around, you think for a second they did not use it??? yes they did.... i would if i was around in that era and was a top bodybuilder... why wouldn't they???
we all have the same sick mindset .... all bodybuilders have it lol!
and yeah, a good idea about the cellar wes! i will kill creeps/murderers and other lowlifes.....
eat there glands raw! that way it is as fresh as possible! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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arnolds delts in that pic sure as hell look like it but you never really know and i doubt it, especially with sergio.
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Of course, look at the actual cost of GH before the mid 80's when Genentech made HGH somewhat more affordable and accessible the the MEDICAL Community. Then look at the cost of hgh after that, it would've been out of the reach of 99.9% of almost all bodybuilders. That cost wasn't even for the a huge amount of GH most guys use. Medical dosing for GH was 1 i.u. per 15kg of bodyweight, 3-4x a week.
Also look at how tightly controlled GH usage was during the 60's - early 80's. Only around 25,000 - 30,000 worldwide were given medical clearance to receive medical treatment worldwide. Worldwide. But we are to believe cadaver GH was following freely?
Also when was the first time you heard about GH being used for bodybuilding? Bodybuilders don't keep secrets, they're like chatty girls. Duchaine, Zumpano, Feliciano, Fitton, etc...... would've mentioned it early on. Granted it take a bit of time maybe a year or two, but the gurus didn't write seriously about GH till the mid 80's.
While GH was on the radar screen in the early 80's, a lot of it was guys trying to get cheap monkey brain extract from Pacifico, or other hare brained schemes.
I'm willing to believe mega dosing, insulin use post Belknap, Trenbolone in the 70's, and all types of steroid related things....... But GH use in the 70's, and most of the 80's doesn't wash.
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arnolds delts in that pic sure as hell look like it but you never really know and i doubt it, especially with sergio.
naaah i also do not think sergio used gh in those years .... in the 80's yes!
he was never in shape compared to aahnold!
always somewhat watery...
arnold did use hgh... look at his face in his comeback year... he had a different look...
his body also had a quality look to it, way ahead of other bb at that time....
smart man, arnold and would stop at nothing to be the best!
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this was exactly the point i was trying to make....
they did whatever it took, just like todays champs... cadaver was around, you think for a second they did not use it??? yes they did.... i would if i was around in that era and was a top bodybuilder... why wouldn't they???
we all have the same sick mindset .... all bodybuilders have it lol!
and yeah, a good idea about the cellar wes! i will kill creeps/murderers and other lowlifes.....
eat there glands raw! that way it is as fresh as possible! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
(http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/violence/hannibal.jpg)
(http://unrealitymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Movie_Cannibals_1.jpg)
LOL ;D
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Of course, look at the actual cost of GH before the mid 80's when Genentech made HGH somewhat more affordable and accessible the the MEDICAL Community. Then look at the cost of hgh after that, it would've been out of the reach of 99.9% of almost all bodybuilders. That cost wasn't even for the a huge amount of GH most guys use. Medical dosing for GH was 1 i.u. per 15kg of bodyweight, 3-4x a week.
Also look at how tightly controlled GH usage was during the 60's - early 80's. Only around 25,000 - 30,000 worldwide were given medical clearance to receive medical treatment worldwide. Worldwide. But we are to believe cadaver GH was following freely?
Also when was the first time you heard about GH being used for bodybuilding? Bodybuilders don't keep secrets, they're like chatty girls. Duchaine, Zumpano, Feliciano, Fitton, etc...... would've mentioned it early on. Granted it take a bit of time maybe a year or two, but the gurus didn't write seriously about GH till the mid 80's.
While GH was on the radar screen in the early 80's, a lot of it was guys trying to get cheap monkey brain extract from Pacifico, or other hare brained schemes.
I'm willing to believe mega dosing, insulin use post Belknap, Trenbolone in the 70's, and all types of steroid related things....... But GH use in the 70's, and most of the 80's doesn't wash.
you are right about hgh being tightly controlled....
however crescormon was a commercial sold product and did not fell under these regulations....
and it was available in the mid to late 70's...
and really there is always a way.... people steal, and sell stuff..... lol....
i know of people stealing hgh from hospitals... and sell it....
why would this not be the case back then????
look at what bodybuilders today take....even experimental stuff.... we all have sick minds.... lol...
back then no different...
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Joe and Ben Weider were THE GUYs in the industry. These guys has connections that we couldn't even fathom in the field of muscle building science. What we were looking at in the bodybuilders of yesteryear were the pioneers/guinea pigs of science. But don't fool yourself, the same thing is happening today. The only difference today is knowledge travels so much faster because of the internet.
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(http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/violence/hannibal.jpg)
LOL ;D
lol!!!!
remember that scene ...... lol... nasty!
dude was talking while Hannibal was taking out some of his brain to cook.....
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Joe and Ben Weider were THE GUYs in the industry. These guys has connections that we couldn't even fathom in the field of muscle building science. What we were looking at in the bodybuilders of yesteryear were the pioneers/guinea pigs of science. But don't fool yourself, the same thing is happening today. The only difference today is knowledge travels so much faster because of the internet.
you get it!
this x 1000
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lol!!!!
remember that scene ...... lol... nasty!
dude was talking while Hannibal was taking out some of his brain to cook.....
Pretty gross fucking scene,but pretty funny also! ;D
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Cadaver GH was around,and we all know what these guys would do to get to the top...............but if no one saw it happen,it means jackshit..........just conjecture.
No real telltale signs of GH use/abuse IMO.........elbows,hands,jawline,etc.
What did you use in the 40s?
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Pretty gross fucking scene,but pretty funny also! ;D
lol... yeah man...
and nobody plays a psycho cannibal better then Anthony Hopkins!!
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if you have ever thought about going to the gym and lifting weights, then you are on gh and insulin and lots of it. i thought that was perfectly clear by now here at getbig.
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They were, look at their jaws, but prob on lower dosages and less effective stuff.
jaws dont mean shit thats how my jaw looks and i never touched gh
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Of course, look at the actual cost of GH before the mid 80's when Genentech made HGH somewhat more affordable and accessible the the MEDICAL Community. Then look at the cost of hgh after that, it would've been out of the reach of 99.9% of almost all bodybuilders. That cost wasn't even for the a huge amount of GH most guys use. Medical dosing for GH was 1 i.u. per 15kg of bodyweight, 3-4x a week.
Also look at how tightly controlled GH usage was during the 60's - early 80's. Only around 25,000 - 30,000 worldwide were given medical clearance to receive medical treatment worldwide. Worldwide. But we are to believe cadaver GH was following freely?
Also when was the first time you heard about GH being used for bodybuilding? Bodybuilders don't keep secrets, they're like chatty girls. Duchaine, Zumpano, Feliciano, Fitton, etc...... would've mentioned it early on. Granted it take a bit of time maybe a year or two, but the gurus didn't write seriously about GH till the mid 80's.
While GH was on the radar screen in the early 80's, a lot of it was guys trying to get cheap monkey brain extract from Pacifico, or other hare brained schemes.
I'm willing to believe mega dosing, insulin use post Belknap, Trenbolone in the 70's, and all types of steroid related things....... But GH use in the 70's, and most of the 80's doesn't wash.
Correct it was hard to get. You had to go before a Medical board with your child to try to get approval.
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Joe and Ben Weider were THE GUYs in the industry. These guys has connections that we couldn't even fathom in the field of muscle building science. What we were looking at in the bodybuilders of yesteryear were the pioneers/guinea pigs of science. But don't fool yourself, the same thing is happening today. The only difference today is knowledge travels so much faster because of the internet.
You're a smart man sir.
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I think it was the 74 Olympia when Arnold was his best ever and had made pretty big gains since the previous year that the rumor was that thats when he used the cadaver GH
The Weiders were very wealthy Jews and im sure in the wealthy Jewish circle they would have known top Jewish doctors who could have supplied the GH for the right price, like Optimus said its about connections, Robby Robinson said the Joe Weiders own doctor was the one giving Robby his shots of Deca, Joe hooked his champs up ;)
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I think it was the 74 Olympia when Arnold was his best ever and had made pretty big gains since the previous year that the rumor was that thats when he used the cadaver GH
The Weiders were very wealthy Jews and im sure in the wealthy Jewish circle they would have known top Jewish doctors who could have supplied the GH for the right price, like Optimus said its about connections, Robby Robinson said the Joe Weiders own doctor was the one giving Robby his shots of Deca, Joe hooked his champs up ;)
Arnold was pretty much the same size in 1974 as 1973. Some people consider 1973 as his best ever.
I personally don't think growth was used much before 1977 and certainly not the way we know it needs to be used to work well.
Having said that I think Arnold and co took a lot more gear than they would ever admit to. Luckily they had the real thing back then.