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Title: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 20, 2012, 12:03:42 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/post/michigan-primary-democratic-mischief/2012/02/15/gIQA2zQuHR_blog.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/15/1065052/-Announcing-Operation-Hilarity-Let-s-keep-the-GOP-clown-show-going-
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: 240 is Back on February 20, 2012, 10:47:08 AM
it was funny when rush did it to keep hilary in the race.

but this?  this?  :)
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Straw Man on February 20, 2012, 10:50:37 AM
it was funny when rush did it to keep hilary in the race.

but this?  this?  :)

just as funny - if not funnier

at least Hillary was a legitimate candidate

it would be HILARIOUS if repubs wound up with Santorum at the top of the ticket

btw - Pawlenty must be kicking himself on a daily basis and probably will need to hire someone to kick him if this continues much longer
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: 240 is Back on February 20, 2012, 11:02:44 AM
tpwn would be doing great right now. 
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Straw Man on February 20, 2012, 11:04:42 AM
tpwn would be doing great right now. 

he could get caught with a dead hooker right now and still be on top
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: 240 is Back on February 20, 2012, 11:20:42 AM
he could get caught with a dead hooker right now and still be on top

the 2 things a politician hates to be caught with... a dead girl or live boy.


actually being caught with a dead hooker could prove he's hetero, he is one of us (likes a little strange), and he's creating work in the mortuary industry.  Dude's creating jobs. 
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2012, 03:48:27 AM
Rick Santorum has admitted authorising robocalls to encourage Democrats to participate in the Michigan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/28/romney-admits-robocalls-michigan-primary?newsfeed=true
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2012, 04:05:50 AM
Santorum Michigan success tied to Dems
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/santorum-michigan-success-tied-1365349.html
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2012, 04:17:54 AM
I have to give it to Saint Rick in terms of media savvy, he knows how to get buzz, rightly or wrongly. 

Like I have said for well over a year now, he who attacks Obama with the most zeal, ferocity, aggression, and passion will win. 
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2012, 04:25:33 AM
I have to give it to Saint Rick in terms of media savvy, he knows how to get buzz, rightly or wrongly. 

Like I have said for well over a year now, he who attacks Obama with the most zeal, ferocity, aggression, and passion will win. 

the nomination - but not necessarily the general.

remember that neither christie nor romney will attack obama for his saul alinsky roots, etc.  They won't go to that level.  cause they're playing for the general election, where that shit falls flat.  "Palling around with terrorists" by palin hurt her party's chances dearly last time - you just can't say that.
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2012, 04:29:12 AM
the nomination - but not necessarily the general.

remember that neither christie nor romney will attack obama for his saul alinsky roots, etc.  They won't go to that level.  cause they're playing for the general election, where that shit falls flat.  "Palling around with terrorists" by palin hurt her party's chances dearly last time - you just can't say that.

Saint Rick is tied or close to Obama already.  And he has done it on a shoe string budget.   


Myth is simply a gaffomatic and a pussy.   Saint Rick is like rocky balboa taking on Apollo creed     
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2012, 04:34:40 AM
Saint Rick is tied or close to Obama already.  And he has done it on a shoe string budget.   

nationally?   link?
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2012, 04:43:44 AM
nationally?   link?

Go to rcp.    He is moving up on thugbama.  Ras has him down by 2 and USA today Gallup has him ahead of the obamunist. 
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2012, 04:47:37 AM
Go to rcp.    He is moving up on thugbama.  Ras has him down by 2 and USA today Gallup has him ahead of the obamunist. 

What number are you looking at?  You said "Saint Rick is tied or close to Obama already"

But when I look at RCP like you suggest,
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_santorum_vs_obama-2912.html

RCP = Obama +5.8

Leading by nearly 6 points
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2012, 04:55:29 AM
What number are you looking at?  You said "Saint Rick is tied or close to Obama already"

But when I look at RCP like you suggest,
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_santorum_vs_obama-2912.html

RCP = Obama +5.8

Leading by nearly 6 points


Moron.   Look at the breakdown.   That number is affected by some of the outliers that are worthless.   Ras and Gallup have credible records.    Politico is a nonsense poll.
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: 240 is Back on February 28, 2012, 05:02:36 AM

Moron.   Look at the breakdown.   That number is affected by some of the outliers that are worthless.   Ras and Gallup have credible records.    Politico is a nonsense poll.

Do you feel AP (with obama +9) is also unreliable poll?
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2012, 05:08:46 AM
Do you feel AP (with obama +9) is also unreliable poll?

You have to look at others as well.   Don't know about the AP poll, but look at politico.   Poll it's off on the Romney Obama matchup as well, yet affects the rcp number.  Ras to me is the best right now. 
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: howardroark on February 28, 2012, 05:44:08 AM
If Rick Santorum is the nominee... be prepared for a huge vote for a third party.  :)
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on February 28, 2012, 05:49:18 AM
If Rick Santorum is the nominee... be prepared for a huge vote for a third party.  :)

Yup
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Bindare_Dundat on February 28, 2012, 05:55:27 AM
Rick Santorum has admitted authorising robocalls to encourage Democrats to participate in the Michigan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/28/romney-admits-robocalls-michigan-primary?newsfeed=true

The article has the delegate count wrong and is continuing to perpetuate the myth that the popular vote is reflective of how the delegates will be awarded, which isn't true. Every state is different in this regard.
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: MM2K on February 28, 2012, 06:07:22 AM

btw - Pawlenty must be kicking himself on a daily basis and probably will need to hire someone to kick him if this continues much longer

YEP. And Iowa conservatives should be kicking themselves for flocking to Bachman in a mass herd so quickly. Pawlenty wasnt conservative enough for them but Im sure national conservatives would have prefered him to Mitt Romney. Pawlenty was always the only other viable candidate to Mitt Romney. The fact that conservatives couldnt accept this is why we now have only Romney to choose from. Both are far superior to Barack Obama, but no, they wanted firebombers like Bachman and Cain and Gingrich. It really is a tragedy that Pawlenty got out of the race. I would sleep much better at night.
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2012, 06:12:58 AM
YEP. And Iowa conservatives should be kicking themselves for flocking to Bachman in a mass herd so quickly. Pawlenty wasnt conservative enough for them but Im sure national conservatives would have prefered him to Mitt Romney. Pawlenty was always the only other viable candidate to Mitt Romney. The fact that conservatives couldnt accept this is why we now have only Romney to choose from. Both are far superior to Barack Obama, but no, they wanted firebombers like Bachman and Cain and Gingrich. It really is a tragedy that Pawlenty got out of the race. I would sleep much better at night.

I liked bachmann.  She was fearless went right at obamas throat.   She killed herself by getting in the mud w perry over the hpv thing. 

Me it's ABO under all scenarios.   We need to send the obamunist packing at all costs for his treason and intentional collapse of America.   

Sure st Rick in annoying and by far not the best choice, but he still is way better than Obama. 
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2012, 06:30:03 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204653604577249332366863576.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion


Good article on why st Rick is rising.   
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Hugo Chavez on February 28, 2012, 07:07:06 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204653604577249332366863576.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion


Good article on why st Rick is rising.   
does it mention anything about revenge voters?  I think he's on the rise from republicans who's top priority is to piss off liberals the most.  They want the candidate that liberals freak over the most and that's Santorum.  Revenge voters, that's what it's about right now lol...
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Straw Man on February 28, 2012, 12:21:15 PM
Politico Poll shows Obama 10+ points over Romney and Santorum and 5 points over "unnamed" Repub

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73308.html

Santorum will self destruct and Obama will stomp Romney
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2012, 12:26:31 PM
Politico Poll shows Obama 10+ points over Romney and Santorum and 5 points over "unnamed" Repub

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/73308.html

Santorum will self destruct and Obama will stomp Romney


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That poll is an outlier and Ras AND Gallup both show the same thing.   


gallup also has obama at 43% today and dropping fast. 


STRAW - REMIND ME AGAIN WHO WAS MOST ACCURATE IN 2008 AN 2010?   
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Straw Man on February 28, 2012, 12:46:13 PM

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That poll is an outlier and Ras AND Gallup both show the same thing.  


gallup also has obama at 43% today and dropping fast.  


STRAW - REMIND ME AGAIN WHO WAS MOST ACCURATE IN 2008 AN 2010?    

I was most accurate in 2008

I said in early januray 2008 that it woudl be McCain v Obama and that Obama would win

2010 was polling against Dems from very early on so you can finally stop crowing about merely being part of the chorus  and keep in mind how the public has reacted against the anti-American agenda that has been pursued by your fellow teabaggers since getting into office in 2010
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2012, 12:54:41 PM
I was most accurate in 2008

I said in early januray 2008 that it woudl be McCain v Obama and that Obama would win

2010 was polling against Dems from very early on so you can finally stop crowing about merely being part of the chorus  and keep in mind how the public has reacted against the anti-American agenda that has been pursued by your fellow teabaggers since getting into office in 2010


LOL -  Obamacare is as unpopular as ever and obama is at 43% at gallup - you think that is good? 


USA/Today has Santorum beating obama

Ras has romney and RP beating Obama



Keep your head in the sand bro - going to great when Obama gets sent packing and you delusional leftists are sitting in a state of shock for weeks.   
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: howardroark on February 28, 2012, 01:12:40 PM
I was most accurate in 2008

I said in early januray 2008 that it woudl be McCain v Obama and that Obama would win

2010 was polling against Dems from very early on so you can finally stop crowing about merely being part of the chorus  and keep in mind how the public has reacted against the anti-American agenda that has been pursued by your fellow teabaggers since getting into office in 2010

Things like that make you seem retarded.
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Straw Man on February 28, 2012, 01:21:58 PM
Things like that make you seem retarded.

based on that statement I'm going to assume profound ignorance (perhaps willful) on your part rather than retardation

I assume you missed the backlash in Wisconsin last year (and the governor is currently fighting a recall vote) or even what's been going on in Virginia with the transvaginal ultrasounds which happened in just the last few weeks

I assume you're also unaware of the cratering approval ratings for the tea party

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/survey-surprising-finding-tea-party-less-popular-atheists-160220531.html

Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2012, 01:23:41 PM
based on that statement I'm going to assume profound ignorance (perhaps willful) on your part rather than retardation

I assume you missed the backlash in Wisconsin last year (and the governor is currently fighting a recall vote) or even what's been going on in Virginia with the transvaginal ultrasounds which happened in just the last few weeks

I assume you're also unaware of the cratering approval ratings for the tea party

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/survey-surprising-finding-tea-party-less-popular-atheists-160220531.html





And Wisconsin is actually doing better and saving money since those reforms without any teacher layoffs. 

God Forbid the public sector madoffs have to contribute anything right Straw? 
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Straw Man on February 28, 2012, 01:30:01 PM


And Wisconsin is actually doing better and saving money since those reforms without any teacher layoffs. 

God Forbid the public sector madoffs have to contribute anything right Straw? 

Wisconsin problems weren't created by the labor unions but they are the standard scapegoat for the right and in fact the budget problem were created by Repubs when they gave more tax breaks to businesses

The economic downturn faced by the entire country is being used as an excuse to achieve an ideological goals that has nothing to do with the source of the problems

Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2012, 01:31:09 PM
Wisconsin problems weren't created by the labor unions but they are the standard scapegoat for the right and in fact the budget problem were created by Repubs when they gave more tax breaks to businesses

The economic downturn faced by the entire country is being used as an excuse to achieve an ideological goals that has nothing to do with the source of the problems




What is the source of the problem? 
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: howardroark on February 28, 2012, 01:33:44 PM
based on that statement I'm going to assume profound ignorance (perhaps willful) on your part rather than retardation

I assume you missed the backlash in Wisconsin last year (and the governor is currently fighting a recall vote)

A recall pushed by special interest groups like the teacher unions.

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or even what's been going on in Virginia with the transvaginal ultrasounds which happened in just the last few weeks

And again, retardation.

The Tea Party has what to do with this? It was a fiscally conservative movement - nothing more.

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I assume you're also unaware of the cratering approval ratings for the tea party

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/survey-surprising-finding-tea-party-less-popular-atheists-160220531.html



It's never been popular. But many true tea party incumbents are popular, e.g. Rand Paul.
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Straw Man on February 28, 2012, 01:36:39 PM

What is the source of the problem? 

general economic downturn starting in late 2007 is the primary source

the causes of that are multiple and have been growing for years

btw - aside from  your projection of your delusions onto me - how many times have I said I am AGAINST defined benefit pensions and how many times have a said municipal/state/federal employees should be required to contribute to their own retirement

I've said that MANY times and those are my ideological beliefs and are not based on current economic environment

Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Straw Man on February 28, 2012, 01:40:29 PM
A recall pushed by special interest groups like the teacher unions.

And again, retardation.

The Tea Party has what to do with this? It was a fiscally conservative movement - nothing more.
It's never been popular. But many true tea party incumbents are popular, e.g. Rand Paul.

the right wing attack on womens reproductive rights has nothing to do wtih "fiscal" conservatism

tea party types and extreme right wing religio/conservative types have pushed these agendas at the state level - why do you feign ignorance to this

Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2012, 01:44:31 PM
the right wing attack on womens reproductive rights has nothing to do wtih "fiscal" conservatism

tea party types and extreme right wing religio/conservative types have pushed these agendas at the state level - why do you feign ignorance to this




What does Obama's attack on religion stem from? 
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Straw Man on February 28, 2012, 01:48:05 PM

What does Obama's attack on religion stem from? 

from your delusional and diseased brain
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Soul Crusher on February 28, 2012, 01:51:23 PM
from your delusional and diseased brain

LOL.   See Straw - this is the thing - i will admit the gop should leave those things alone and its stupid and only pisses people off. 

However - you die hard leftist believers WILL NEVER call out obama when he does equally absurd shit.   

Name one issue the base of the rat party has disgreed with obama on vocally.   
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Skip8282 on February 28, 2012, 03:00:19 PM
2010 was polling against Dems from very early on so you can finally stop crowing about merely being part of the chorus  and keep in mind how the public has reacted against the anti-American agenda that has been pursued by your fellow teabaggers since getting into office in 2010



No, it wasn't.  In fact I still remember Benny B's dumbass threads about the Republicans losing.  And I'm pretty sure only 33 and GW called for a landslide which is what happened.
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Straw Man on February 28, 2012, 03:02:23 PM
LOL.   See Straw - this is the thing - i will admit the gop should leave those things alone and its stupid and only pisses people off. 

However - you die hard leftist believers WILL NEVER call out obama when he does equally absurd shit.   

Name one issue the base of the rat party has disgreed with obama on vocally.   

the problem with trying to talk with you, besides the obvious which is that you're delusional most of the time, is that you constantly forget the many times that I've criticized Obama however I don't think Obama has attacked religion. The entire thing is part of the absurd sense of victimhood that right wingers seem to indulge in all the time.

btw - can't you make up your mind.  First you tell us that he's a radical christian and then a radical muslim and now he's attacking religion and tomorrow it will be some other delusion.    
Title: Re: Dems voting for Santorum in open primary states.
Post by: Straw Man on February 28, 2012, 03:04:49 PM


No, it wasn't.  In fact I still remember Benny B's dumbass threads about the Republicans losing.  And I'm pretty sure only 33 and GW called for a landslide which is what happened.

your memory sucks (no offense)

the polls in the mainstream media leading up the the midterm election predicted exactly what happened in 2010

I, for one, did not agree with them and thought it wouldn't be that bad and I have no problem admitting I was wrong about that