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WTF? :P
By NBC, msnbc.com and news services
Updated at 2:40 p.m. ET: KABUL, Afghanistan -- Thousands of angry Afghans protested outside a U.S. military base on Tuesday, some hurling rocks and firing guns in the air, after reports surfaced that American troops had burned copies of the Quran and other religious items.
The demonstrators — shouting "Die, die, foreigners!" — gathered outside Bagram airbase, an hour's drive north of the capital Kabul. Photographs taken by the AFP news agency outside the airbase, showed people firing slingshots and others holding charred copies of the Quran, Islam's holy book.
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"The people are very angry. The mood is very negative," said Zia Ul Rahman, deputy provincial police chief. "Some are firing hunting guns in the air, but there have been no casualties."
Advertise | AdChoices"We Afghans don't want these Christians and infidels, they are the enemy of our soil, our honor and our Quran," said Haji Shirin, one of the protesters.
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More than a decade after the beginning of the war, Afghanistan faces external pressure to reform as well as ongoing internal conflicts.
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"I urge all Muslims to sacrifice themselves in order to pull out these troops from this soil."
U.S. helicopters fired flares to disperse the crowd.
Seeking to quickly tamp down the outrage, the White House apologized for the burning of Muslim holy books in a pile of garbage at Bagram.
PhotoBlog: Afghans besiege US base in protest over Quran burning
Press secretary Jay Carney said the "deeply unfortunate incident" doesn't reflect the respect the U.S. military has for the religious practices of the Afghan people.
Carney echoed military officials Tuesday in saying that the Quran burning happened unintentionally, and that an investigation was being undertaken to ensure it didn't happen again.
The top NATO general in Afghanistan, Gen. John Allen, also apologized. He said religious materials, including Qurans, that were identified for disposal were inadvertently taken to an incineration field at the airfield.
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/21/10463860-thousands-of-afghans-vent-fury-outside-us-base-over-quran-burning
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What else is new? ::)
44 would-be children suicide bombers rescued by Afghan forces as they were being smuggled into Pakistan and these people have nothing to say about that. "Desecrate" their holy book and it's the end of the world. Never mind that they destroy bibles (and kill Christians/Infidels) like they're going out of style.
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Im wondering if theyre trying to spark off a Muslim/West world war, look at egypt threatening to attack us in "3 months"
What the fuck could they hope to accomplish? Other than trying to make the US look like a bitch, which were already allowing them to do with their threats to attack Israel if we dont give them lunch money.
In my mind, tts kind of like some punk ass kid posturing up in front of others to the big kid, trying to make himself look tough. Eventually the big guy is gonna have enough of the bullshit and kick his teeth in.
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What else is new? ::)
44 would-be children suicide bombers rescued by Afghan forces as they were being smuggled into Pakistan and these people have nothing to say about that. "Desecrate" their holy book and it's the end of the world. Never mind that they destroy bibles (and kill Christians/Infidels) like they're going out of style.
Obama the Appeaser wishes you to apologize for everything regardless. And, soon we should apologize to Egypt as well...for something.
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Obama the Appeaser wishes you to apologize for everything regardless. And, soon we should apologize to Egypt as well...for something.
Fuck them. If they attack us, well... yeah. Who the fuck does egypt think they are? What the fuck are they gonna do? Did they aquire some sort of huge army in the last couple months we dont know about?
Did they just aquire a bunch of Soviet Nukes?
Like, really?
Come at us bro. lol.
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Way too much time on their hands for these fools.
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their religious beliefs have led them to crazy town
Skip - just wondering why you refer to other human beings as monkeys
what monkey like behaviour are these people displaying
btw - when I read the title I thought there was some actual book burning going on ala Fahrenheit 451
these nutjobs were just told someone burned a book somewhere and they go apeshit
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Who is the fucking idiot that was soooooooo stupid they couldn't figure out that burning books in Afghanistan was a very bad thing to do. I mean isn't it monster obvious? How stupid is a person who does that?
To me this is not about a group of religious fanatics stuck in the 13th century. It's someone in the military who is that stupid and is allowed to carry a gun and shot people.
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Who is the fucking idiot that was soooooooo stupid they couldn't figure out that burning books in Afghanistan was a very bad thing to do. I mean isn't it monster obvious? How stupid is a person who does that?
To me this is not about a group of religious fanatics stuck in the 13th century. It's someone in the military who is that stupid and is allowed to carry a gun and shot people.
I kind of think we should burn the bible and koran every day until they figure out that it doesn't make any difference
the only solution to this problem is that dumb people have to get smarter
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I kind of think we should burn the bible and koran every day until they figure out that it doesn't make any difference
the only solution to this problem is that dumb people have to get smarter
I agree but they have to chose to get smarter, becuase belief is more powerful than fact
Right now that guy ( the one who made the call ) just showed how not smarter he is.
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again, I say we should burn a bible and koran every day and remind those people that our make believe god is not being harmed by burning a book and we assume their make believe god is pretty much the same
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again, I say we should burn a bible and koran every day and remind those people that our make believe god is not being harmed by burning a book and we assume their make believe god is pretty much the same
I don't think that's a good solution and wouldn't solved the problem at all. And it will never happen so there isnt any use in my mind to even consider it. Bottom line is It will take maybe a few hundred years but that mentality will eventually disappear into obscurity. We will become more intelligent over all as a species and our beliefs will evolve.
In the mean time we don't need idiots making stupid decisions like that. Who ever authorized that should be fired immediately and declared unfit to function in the military.
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again, I say we should burn a bible and koran every day and remind those people that our make believe god is not being harmed by burning a book and we assume their make believe god is pretty much the same
Obama would not like that. The Bible is the word of his God. Whom he speaks to via prayer. That God, who became human in the form of Jesus, has shown him what government needs to do to solve this nation's economic problems. "For unto whomever much is given, of him shall be much required" is Obama's basis for wealth distribution.
Obama needs to get smarter and realize he is "serving" a make believe god. Right? Why is Obama so stupid?
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I agree with StrawDouche. Comparing these things to monkeys is insulting to monkeys.
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I agree with StrawDouche. Comparing these things to monkeys is insulting to monkeys.
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Skip - just wondering why you refer to other human beings as monkeys
I agree with StrawDouche. Comparing these things to monkeys is insulting to monkeys.
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I would like to offer my sincerest apologies.
I am well aware of the fact that monkeys are more advanced than these vermin.
As such, it was clearly incompetence on my part equivocating the two.
I allowed passion to speak, not reason.
For that, I apologize to my fellow primates and request absolution.
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btw - when I read the title I thought there was some actual book burning going on ala Fahrenheit 451
these nutjobs were just told someone burned a book somewhere and they go apeshit
Yes, there was an actual book burning - several books depending on what's reported. Not done to incite or stir up shit, of course.
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I would like to offer my sincerest apologies.
I am well aware of the fact that monkeys are more advanced than these vermin.
As such, it was clearly incompetence on my part equivocating the two.
I allowed passion to speak, not reason.For that, I apologize to my fellow primates and request absolution.
Its ok, half of my recent posts have been like that.
For some reason my posts in recent history have been alarmist freak out posts.
I go back and read some of them, and go WTF? Was I really that pissed off that I rant such angsty nonsensicle knee-jerk responses?
Lol.
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As much as I dislike Obama, I don't see him giving up anybody for a trial.
Afghan's Karzai demands public trial for Quran burners
KABUL -- Afghanistan wants NATO to put on public trial those who burned copies of the Quran at a NATO base, President Hamid Karzai's office said Thursday, after a third day of bloody protests over the incident.
It said NATO had agreed to a trial, but that could not be immediately confirmed.
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/23/10488437-afghans-karzai-demands-public-trial-for-quran-burners
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As much as I dislike Obama, I don't see him giving up anybody for a trial.
Afghan's Karzai demands public trial for Quran burners
KABUL -- Afghanistan wants NATO to put on public trial those who burned copies of the Quran at a NATO base, President Hamid Karzai's office said Thursday, after a third day of bloody protests over the incident.
It said NATO had agreed to a trial, but that could not be immediately confirmed.
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/23/10488437-afghans-karzai-demands-public-trial-for-quran-burners
On trial for WHAT?!
I swear to god, those backwards fucks... if we didnt need their oil, wed never even look in their direction.
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They were burned because they had a lot of writing in them thought to be messages between the apes.
Plus, two soldiers were killed today in response to this.
I say we bring em home - not one more life is worth it for the moooooslim savages.
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They were burned because they had a lot of writing in them thought to be messages between the apes.
Plus, two soldiers were killed today in response to this.
I say we bring em home - not one more life is worth it for the moooooslim savages.
Wow.
Only 2 options to deal with these people -
Go Israel on their ass, and simply wipe them out wholesale,
Or
Leave and let them kill each other.
Since well never get the green light for option 1, guess its option 2.
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Afghan soldier kills two U.S. soldiers
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Published: Feb. 23, 2012 at 2:44 PM
KABUL, Afghanistan, Feb. 23 (UPI) -- U.S. President Barack Obama apologized to Afghan President Hamid Karzai Thursday for NATO troops' burning of Korans, which has led to violent protests.
An Afghan soldier, apparently angry over the burning of Korans at a U.S. air base, fatally shot two U.S. troops and wounded four others, Afghan officials said.
National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor and Karzai's office said Obama had called the burning of the Muslim sacred text at Bagram Air Base this week an "error," CNN reported.
"We will take the appropriate steps to avoid any recurrence, including holding accountable those responsible," Obama said in the letter, delivered by U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Ryan Crocker.
The War in Afghanistan
CNN said at least five people were killed in demonstrations Wednesday.
It remained unclear how many Korans were involved, a military official told CNN Thursday. The official said American troops at the base would have been unable to read the texts, which could have contributed to the error.
Another military official said earlier the materials had been removed from a detainee center's library because they carried "extremist inscriptions" on them and there was "an appearance that these documents were being used to facilitate extremist communications."
The International Security Assistance Force said in a statement the two military personnel were killed in eastern Afghanistan Thursday by "an individual wearing an Afghan National Army uniform" but didn't identify the troops' nationality.
GALLERY: Uses, misuses of the Koran
CBS News said an Afghan official said the dead and wounded in the attack in the eastern province of Ningarhar were American. The official said the shooting seemed to be motivated by the burning of Korans at the Bagram Air Base north of Kabul, but did not elaborate.
Haji Mohammad Hassan, chief of Khugyani district in Ningarhar province, told CNN, "We don't know who started the shooting first and what kind of guns were used, but we have started our investigation to find out the details of the incident."
Violent anti-American protests have erupted across Afghanistan since the U.S. military Tuesday apologized for what it said was the accidental "improper disposal" at Bagram of religious materials, including copies of the Muslim holy book. The United States is working with the Afghan government to investigate the incident.
CBS said violent protests took place again on Thursday at U.S. and NATO military facilities across Afghanistan, including one demonstration in which police apparently shot and killed two protesters.
CNN also reported the Taliban in Afghanistan called on Muslims Thursday to attack NATO facilities and convoys and kill military personnel.
In an e-mail message, the Taliban accused "the invading infidel authorities" of trying to calm the situation with two "so-called shows of apology, but in reality they let their inhuman soldiers insult our holy book."
The e-mail urged Afghans to seek revenge "until the doers of such inhumane actions are prosecuted and punished."
"We should attack their military bases, their military convoys, we should kill their soldiers, arrest their invading soldiers, beat them up and give a kind of lesson to them that they never dare to insult the holy Koran," the message said.
Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/02/23/Afghan-soldier-kills-two-US-soldiers/UPI-66781330001572/#ixzz1nFR8Kwb7
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Fucking worthless people over there.
We should build a giant fucking fence around all those countries, let no one in or out, and just let them fucking slaughter each other.
The world would be a better place.
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Who is the fucking idiot that was soooooooo stupid they couldn't figure out that burning books in Afghanistan was a very bad thing to do. I mean isn't it monster obvious? How stupid is a person who does that?
To me this is not about a group of religious fanatics stuck in the 13th century. It's someone in the military who is that stupid and is allowed to carry a gun and shot people.
The muslims discard old Korans in the same method.....further these Korans had been used by the prisoners on BAF to pass messages and had tons of jihadist messages in the margines. They could not give them away, put them in mosques etc. They should have either put them in burn bags or burnt them under their own control rather then in the burn pit where local nationals work. The best thing would have been to send them out of the country to be burnt. Gen Allen should not have apologized....we've done to much of that. The average Afghan is a barely muslim. The same assholes rioting outside BAF also used to sell us Fosters and try selling us hash, girls, boys and crap watches. These people suck and are full of shit...50 days until I get to go visit them.
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The muslims discard old Korans in the same method.....further these Korans had been used by the prisoners on BAF to pass messages and had tons of jihadist messages in the margines. They could not give them away, put them in mosques etc. They should have either put them in burn bags or burnt them under their own control rather then in the burn pit where local nationals work. The best thing would have been to send them out of the country to be burnt. Gen Allen should not have apologized....we've done to much of that. The average Afghan is a barely muslim. The same assholes rioting outside BAF also used to sell us Fosters and try selling us hash, girls, boys and crap watches. These people suck and are full of shit...50 days until I get to go visit them.
Make sure to a shove a 120mm shell up someones ass for me.
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I'd love to....if I'm anywhere near a tank.....I won't be.
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The muslims discard old Korans in the same method.....further these Korans had been used by the prisoners on BAF to pass messages and had tons of jihadist messages in the margines. They could not give them away, put them in mosques etc. They should have either put them in burn bags or burnt them under their own control rather then in the burn pit where local nationals work. The best thing would have been to send them out of the country to be burnt. Gen Allen should not have apologized....we've done to much of that. The average Afghan is a barely muslim. The same assholes rioting outside BAF also used to sell us Fosters and try selling us hash, girls, boys and crap watches. These people suck and are full of shit...50 days until I get to go visit them.
They should just get a pig pen together and let the hogs shit on the koran and get em all wee weed up.
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This is country that has an entire segment that practices Bacha Bazi or 'Boy Play'. In 2006 they found an 11 year old boy chained to the Commandant of their military academy's desk. They suck....they suck on a level the Iraqi's will never sink to.
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This is country that has an entire segment that practices Bacha Bazi or 'Boy Play'. In 2006 they found an 11 year old boy chained to the Commandant of their military academy's desk. They suck....they suck on a level the Iraqi's will never sink to.
Saddam did some fucked up shit, are you sure about that statement? With that said, I still don't think we should have gone into Iraq.
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Arabs are fucked up but this is beyond even that.
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Arabs are fucked up but this is beyond even that.
shit we should really be worried about?
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If you happen to be a small Pashtun boy..yes you should be worried.
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Good... let's leave.
Fuck afghanistan... Fuck them all.
Bring everyone home and let them deal with their own shit.
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Good... let's leave.
Fuck afghanistan... Fuck them all.
Bring everyone home and let them deal with their own shit.
The thought of one more American family having to deal w the loss of a loved one due to this bullshit w these ungrateful animals is sickening to me.
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We are getting out. It's a process, but we're leaving.
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Obama apologizes for Koran burning incident in Afghanistan
Hotair ^ | 02/23/2012 | Ed Morrissey
Posted on February 23, 2012 10:03:18 AM EST by SeekAndFind
After several days of unrest in Afghanistan over the burning of Korans removed from detention facilities, President Obama has sent a note of apology to Hamid Karzai. Obama stresses that the destruction was inadvertent, and that those who made the “error” would be held accountable:
President Obama sent Afghan President Hamid Karzai a letter on Thursday apologizing for the alleged burning of Korans at a U.S. military base, Karzai’s office confirmed on its website.
“I wish to express my deep regret for the reported incident,” Obama wrote. “I extend to you and the Afghan people my sincere apologies.”
The president concludes the letter: “The error was inadvertent; I assure you that we will take the appropriate steps to avoid any recurrence, to include holding accountable those responsible.”
Was it really “inadvertent,” though? According to CNN’s report on the destruction of the materials, they had good reason to seize and destroy the books:
The Qurans were among religious materials removed from a detainee facility at Bagram Airfield. The materials were gathered for disposal and were inadvertently given to troops for burning, Gen. John Allen, commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force, said Tuesday.
“This was not a decision that was made because they were religious materials,” he said. “It was not a decision that was made with respect to the faith of Islam. It was a mistake. It was an error. The moment we found out about it, we immediately stopped and we intervened.”
A military official said the materials were removed from the detainee center’s library because they had “extremist inscriptions” on them and there was “an appearance that these documents were being used to facilitate extremist communications.”
Well, if detainees were marking up the Korans for “extremist communications,” didn’t that deface the Korans anyway? Either way, the US couldn’t return the books to the detention center after having discovered the secret communications added to them, and we couldn’t just store them forever, either. I’m not conversant on the proper destruction of Korans in the Muslim faith, but burning them sounds better than throwing them into a landfill. The responsibility for the need to destroy them rests with the terrorists who defaced them in the first place.
That brings us to the issue of the apology. Although I’m likely to be in the minority here, it’s probably a smart and cost-free move for Obama to apologize to Karzai. Regardless of how difficult it is to work with Karzai, he’s the best option we’re going to have in Afghanistan for quite a while. If an apology can bolster his standing in the face of the riots, or at least minimize the political damage he takes in this tempest in a tea cup, then it’s a minor trifle to offer it.
In the future, though, the US can avoid the problem by removing all of the Korans from detention centers. Let them read Hayek or de Tocqueville instead, and when they deface those books for their communications, no one will riot if we burn them. We are under no obligation to provide detainees with Korans, and that will avoid all of the problems associated with their handling and disposal.
Update: Allahpundit e-mailed me this new development:
“An individual wearing an Afghan National Army uniform turned his weapon against International Security Assistance Force service members in eastern Afghanistan today, killing two service members,” ISAF said.
ISAF did not identify the nationalities of the dead soldiers and gave no further details of the incident, which came on the third day of fierce protests against the burning of the Koran at a US-run military base.
Asked whether the events were connected, an ISAF spokesman would only say: “There was a demonstration in the province.”
Afghan troops defending a foreign base in eastern Nangarhar province had “joined demonstrators and opened fire on foreign troops”, a protester told the Afghan Islamic Press news agency.
Thousands of furious Afghans besieged a US base for the third day in a row on Thursday, throwing rocks and climbing up the outer walls.
If an apology can defuse that situation, then as I wrote above, it’s a cost-free sop to Karzai and Obama was correct to offer it. We’ll see how effective it is.
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Obama apologizes to Afghanistan for Quran burning (despite them murdering 2 US troops)
cnn ^ | 2/23/2012 | Masoud Popalzai and Nick Paton Walsh
Posted on February 23, 2012 9:28:00 PM EST by tobyhill
Afghan rage over the burning of Qurans by NATO troops continued Thursday even after a President Barack Obama apologized for the "error."
Afghanistan erupted in violent demonstrations after the troops burned the Islamic religious material at the beginning of the week.
Two American troops were killed Thursday by a man wearing an Afghan National Army uniform, a U.S. official said, asking not to be named discussing casualties. The gunman is thought to have been acting in conjunction with a protest outside the base, the official said.
In a letter delivered to Afghan President Hamid Karzai, Obama called the act "inadvertent," Karzai's office and National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said Thursday.
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
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We are getting out. It's a process, but we're leaving.
Not fast enough.
They want to bitch constantly, let them fix their own fucking problems.
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Its weak to apologize and unnecessary. The prisoners were communication their radical crap to each other through the books, instead of being grateful the book was provided to them respecting their religious traditions, they are the ones that abused the privilege. We need to get the bulk of our troops out of there and leave special trained forces and counter-terrorism specialists. Too many of those people are backward animals. Things will only improve if they become more civilized, we can't force it.
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Its weak to apologize and unnecessary. The prisoners were communication their radical crap to each other through the books, instead of being grateful the book was provided to them respecting their religious traditions, they are the ones that abused the privilege. We need to get the bulk of our troops out of there and leave special trained forces and counter-terrorism specialists. Too many of those people are backward animals. Things will only improve if they become more civilized, we can't force it.
What else do you expect from Obama? He is one of them remember?
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Not fast enough.
They want to bitch constantly, let them fix their own fucking problems.
Pakistan has basically shut down supply lanes, dangerous area all together, and a lot of equipment and material. It'll happen (assuming no change in policy), but it's going take time.
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What else do you expect from Obama? He is one of them remember?
lol...well, props for consistency.
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EDITORIAL: Obama’s burning Koran apology
President is wrong to pander to Islamic radicals who killed U.S. troops
By THE WASHINGTON TIMES
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The Washington Times
Thursday, February 23, 2012
Afghan mobs have forced a presidential apology, even after two American soldiers were killed. The extremists win again.
Yesterday, Afghanistan saw its third day of rioting after workers collecting garbage at NATO's Bagram air base found charred remains of religious texts, including the Koran. The texts in question had been defaced with extremist propaganda and had been disposed of. It’s unclear who did the disposing, but it was reported that the process was overseen by a U.S. officer. Since then, crazed mobs have gathered in Afghan streets chanting “Death to America,” and the Taliban urged Afghans to “continue seeking revenge until punishment is dished out with your hands.” On Thursday, outside a U.S. base in eastern Nangarhar province, an Afghan soldier did just that, killing two American soldiers and escaping into the welcoming arms of an approaching mob.
U.S. Gen. John R. Allen, commander of the international forces, quickly noted the “error” of the burnings, ordered an investigation and apologized to “the noble people of Afghanistan.” President Obama then upped the ante with a letter to Afghan President Hamid Karzai, saying the United States “will take the appropriate steps to avoid any recurrence, to include holding accountable those responsible.” There has been no reciprocal pledge of accountability from Kabul. Instead, the Afghan government has demanded that NATO place the offenders on trial, though no Western laws were broken.
The U.S. government position is that the incineration was inadvertent, but independent reports indicate it was intentional. The “religious texts” in question were enemy propaganda, which for Islamists also happen to be holy writ. This is one of the nagging problems in combating an extremist ideology based on religion. Sensitivity to this issue can go to extremes. In 1997, the then-ruling Taliban banned the import and use of paper bags out of concern that recycled pulp from religious texts would be defiled. But if a Koran contains marginalia explaining why certain passages impose a duty on Muslims to wage war on Christians and Jews, it is prudent to dispose of it in an approved manner.
Authoritative 19th-century Muslim scholar Muhammad Amin ibn Abidin wrote that burning a Koran is not usually permitted, except as a last resort, and that burial or sinking in water is preferable. Rather than framing this issue as one of respectful disposal, Mr. Obama caved to the extremist view and admitted America was completely in the wrong. The Taliban can chalk it up as another victory in the war of ideas.
Meanwhile, two U.S. servicemen lie dead, betrayed by a member of the Afghan military they were in the country to train. These troops were defending an Afghan regime that seems to believe their deaths were justified. What offends Americans is not just the obsequiousness of Mr. Obama’s response but its one-sidedness. Mr. Karzai will not apologize for the deaths of our troops, for the American-flag and Obama-effigy burnings or for the uncivilized behavior of his volatile people. Nor will Washington demand such an apology.
Mr. Obama should have learned by now that bowing to foreign mob violence only justifies and encourages the extremists. Counterinsurgency means never having to say you’re sorry.
The Washington Times
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NEWT Mailed it on Greata tonight. Fuck Obama and everyone who plans on voting for him as well as their families.
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not all muslims are bad. the one's from eastern europe never cause trouble. it's the serbs that are the most crazy... but not all serbs... there are probably some good ones. :)
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By Andrew C. McCarthy
February 25, 2012 4:00 A.M.
We have officially lost our minds.
The New York Times reports that President Obama has sent a formal letter of apology to Afghanistan’s ingrate president, Hamid Karzai, for the burning of Korans at a U.S. military base. The only upside of the apology is that it appears (based on the Times account) to be couched as coming personally from our blindly Islamophilic president — “I wish to express my deep regret for the reported incident. . . . I extend to you and the Afghani people my sincere apologies.” It is not couched as an apology from the American people, whose frame of mind will be outrage, not contrition, as the facts become more widely known.
The facts are that the Korans were seized at a jail because jihadists imprisoned there were using them not for prayer but to communicate incendiary messages. The soldiers dispatched to burn refuse from the jail were not the officials who had seized the books, had no idea they were burning Korans, and tried desperately to retrieve the books when the situation was brought to their attention.
Of course, these facts may not become widely known, because no one is supposed to mention the main significance of what has happened here. First, as usual, Muslims — not al-Qaeda terrorists, but ordinary, mainstream Muslims — are rioting and murdering over the burning (indeed, the inadvertent burning) of a book. Yes, it’s the Koran, but it’s a book all the same — and one that, moderate Muslims never tire of telling us, doesn’t really mean everything it says anyhow.
Muslim leaders and their leftist apologists are also forever lecturing the United States about “proportionality” in our war-fighting. Yet when it comes to Muslim proportionality, Americans are supposed to shrug meekly and accept the “you burn books, we kill people” law of the jungle. Disgustingly, the Times would inure us to this moral equivalence by rationalizing that “Afghans are fiercely protective of their Islamic faith.” Well then, I guess that makes it all right, huh?
Then there’s the second not-to-be-uttered truth: Defiling the Koran becomes an issue for Muslims only when it has been done by non-Muslims. Observe that the unintentional burning would not have occurred if these “fiercely protective of their Islamic faith” Afghans had not defiled the Korans in the first place. They were Muslim prisoners who annotated the “holy” pages with what a U.S. military official described as “extremist inscriptions” in covert messages sent back and forth, just as the jihadists held at Gitmo have been known to do (notwithstanding that Muslim prisoners get their Korans courtesy of the American taxpayers they construe the book to justify killing).
Do you know why you are supposed to stay mum about the intentional Muslim sacrilege but plead to be forgiven for the accidental American offense? Because you would otherwise have to observe that the Koran and other Islamic scriptures instruct Muslims that they are in a civilizational jihad against non-Muslims, and that it is therefore permissible for them to do whatever is necessary — including scrawl militant graffiti on their holy book — if it advances the cause. Abdul Sattar Khawasi — not a member of al-Qaeda but a member in good standing of the Afghan government for which our troops are inexplicably fighting and dying — put it this way: “Americans are invaders, and jihad against the Americans is an obligation.”
Because exploiting America’s hyper-sensitivity to things Islamic advances the jihad, the ostensible abuse of the Koran by using it for secret communiqués is to be overlooked. Actionable abuse occurs only when the book is touched by the bare hands of, or otherwise maltreated by, an infidel.
As our great Iraqi ally Ayatollah Ali Sistani teaches, touching a kafir (“one who does not believe in Allah and His Oneness”) is to be avoided, because Islamic scripture categorizes infidels as equivalent to “urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, pigs, alcoholic liquors,” and “the sweat of an animal who persistently eats filth.” That is what influential clerics — not al-Qaeda but revered scholars of Islamic law — inculcate in rank-and-file Muslims.
And they are not making it up. Sistani came upon this view after decades of dedicated scriptural study. In fact, to take just one telling example (we could list many, many others), the “holy” Koran we non-Muslims are supposed to honor proclaims (in Sura 9:28), “Truly the pagans are unclean . . . so let them not . . . approach the sacred mosque.” It is because of this injunction from Allah that non-Muslims are barred — not by al-Qaeda but by the Saudi Arabian government — from entering Mecca and Medina. Kafirs are deemed unfit to set their infidel feet on the ground of these ancient cities. You don’t like that? Too bad — grin and bear it . . . and, while you’re at it, surge up a few thousand more American troops to improve life in Kandahar.
Understand this: Muslims are killing Muslims all the time. Sunnis attack Shiites, Shiites attack Sunnis. Ahmadi Muslims are attacked in sundry Islamic countries. Often, these Muslim-on-Muslim atrocities involve not only murder but also the torching of the other sect’s homes and mosques — necessarily meaning Muslims are burning Korans, and with far more mens rea than the American personnel had in Afghanistan. None of these atrocities incite global Islamic rioting — it is just Muslim-on-Muslim violence, the numbing familiarity of which calls for no comment, except perhaps to mumble that it must have something to do with how “fiercely protective of their Islamic faith” Muslims are. (Actually, it has to do with Muslims’ deeming the perceived heresies of other Muslims to be apostasy, for which sharia prescribes the death penalty.)
Also understand this: In sharia societies, non-Muslim religious articles are confiscated and destroyed every single day as a matter of policy. In Saudi Arabia, where sharia is the law of the land, where Mecca and Medina are closed to non-Muslims, government guidelines prohibit Jews and Christians from bringing Bibles, crucifixes, Stars of David, and similar artifacts emblematic of their faith into the country. When that prohibition is violated, the offending items are seized and burned or otherwise destroyed. Moreover, though Saudis deny having an official policy that bans Jews from entering the country at all, reports are rampant of travelers’ being denied visas either because they are Jewish or because their passports bear stamps indicative of prior travel to Israel.
In spite of this shameful, conscious, systematic abuse of non-Muslims and their religious articles, King Abdullah has yet to send a letter of apology to Obama. All the presidential bowing in the world will not change this, not when Muslim supremacism is the irreducible core of mainstream Islam — not al-Qaeda Islam, mainstream Islam. And where is Mr. Karzai’s apology over the Afghan soldier who just killed two Americans? That is only the latest incident in a largely unreported epidemic: our “allies” turning their weapons on their Western trainers.
On second thought, who cares if Karzai apologizes? Our troops do not belong in Afghanistan. They have given more than enough, way more. So has our country.
If our government believes the Taliban and other factions are our enemies, allied with al-Qaeda to kill Americans, then we should unleash our military to destroy them. This should not be an endless counterinsurgency experiment that prioritizes the protection of Afghan civilians and the construction of Afghan civil society; it should be a war that our vast might enables us to win rapidly and decisively.
But our government has repeatedly professed that the Taliban are not our enemies. If that is true, we lack not only the will but the cause for waging war. We should leave — now. It is immoral to keep our young men and women there as sitting ducks in a place where the people hate Americans but we are not trying to vanquish them. We routed al-Qaeda years ago. We don’t need to defeat the Taliban or waste time negotiating with them, Karzai, the warlords, and the rest. Let them have their Korans and work it out for themselves with the compassion that has been such a Religion of Peace hallmark for the last 14 centuries.
That, however, cannot be the end of it. If, according to the president, we need to apologize to Muslims because we must accept that they have such an innate, extraordinary ardor for their religion that barbaric reactions to trivial slights are inevitable, then they should not be invited to enter a civilized country. At the very least, our immigration laws should exclude entry from Muslim-majority countries unless and until those countries expressly repeal repressive sharia laws (e.g., the death penalty for apostates) and adopt American standards of non-discrimination against, tolerance of, and protection for religious minorities.
If you really want to promote freedom in Islamic countries, an immigration policy based on civil-rights reciprocity would be a lot more effective, and a lot less expensive, than dispatching tens of thousands of troops to build sharia “democracies.” It would also protect Americans from people whose countries and cultures have not prepared them for the obligations of citizenship in a free society.
— Andrew C. McCarthy, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, is the author, most recently, of The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America.
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Two Americans shot dead in Afghan Interior Ministry (Hey Obama, Afghanistan needs another apology)
reuters ^ | 2/25/2012 | Hamid Shalizi
Posted on February 25, 2012 8:36:49 AM EST by tobyhill
Two members of the U.S. military were shot dead on Saturday inside the heavily barricaded Interior Ministry in the centre of the Afghan capital, Afghan security sources said, as anti-Western protests raged for a fifth day across the country.
It was not immediately clear who killed the Americans, said one Afghan security source. They were gunned down during a scuffle, another source said.
"American and Afghan troops were present at the time of the shootout, but we are unsure who killed them," a senior Afghan security source told Reuters on condition of anonymity.
A spokesman for NATO's International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) said they were aware of "an accident" in central Kabul, but declined to give more details.
(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...
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Pentagon official apologizes for Koran burning (Taliban rejects apology)
cbs ^ | 2/24/2012 | staff
Posted on February 25, 2012 9:17:47 AM EST by tobyhill
A senior Pentagon official apologized Friday to Washington-area Muslims for the burning of Korans at a military base in Afghanistan.
Peter Lavoy, acting assistant secretary of defense for Asia and Pacific security affairs, said the military is investigating what occurred and that all 140,000 coalition troops in Afghanistan are being retrained in the handling of religious materials.
Lavoy apologized multiple times during a brief speech during prayer services at the ADAMS Center in Sterling, one of the largest mosques in the country.
"I come here today to apologize on behalf of the Department of Defense for the incident that took place in Afghanistan this week," Lavoy told worshippers, saying the burnings were done "unknowingly and improperly."
(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...
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By Andrew C. McCarthy
February 25, 2012 4:00 A.M.
We have officially lost our minds.
The New York Times reports that President Obama has sent a formal letter of apology to Afghanistan’s ingrate president, Hamid Karzai, for the burning of Korans at a U.S. military base. The only upside of the apology is that it appears (based on the Times account) to be couched as coming personally from our blindly Islamophilic president — “I wish to express my deep regret for the reported incident. . . . I extend to you and the Afghani people my sincere apologies.” It is not couched as an apology from the American people, whose frame of mind will be outrage, not contrition, as the facts become more widely known.
The facts are that the Korans were seized at a jail because jihadists imprisoned there were using them not for prayer but to communicate incendiary messages. The soldiers dispatched to burn refuse from the jail were not the officials who had seized the books, had no idea they were burning Korans, and tried desperately to retrieve the books when the situation was brought to their attention.
Of course, these facts may not become widely known, because no one is supposed to mention the main significance of what has happened here. First, as usual, Muslims — not al-Qaeda terrorists, but ordinary, mainstream Muslims — are rioting and murdering over the burning (indeed, the inadvertent burning) of a book. Yes, it’s the Koran, but it’s a book all the same — and one that, moderate Muslims never tire of telling us, doesn’t really mean everything it says anyhow.
Muslim leaders and their leftist apologists are also forever lecturing the United States about “proportionality” in our war-fighting. Yet when it comes to Muslim proportionality, Americans are supposed to shrug meekly and accept the “you burn books, we kill people” law of the jungle. Disgustingly, the Times would inure us to this moral equivalence by rationalizing that “Afghans are fiercely protective of their Islamic faith.” Well then, I guess that makes it all right, huh?
Then there’s the second not-to-be-uttered truth: Defiling the Koran becomes an issue for Muslims only when it has been done by non-Muslims. Observe that the unintentional burning would not have occurred if these “fiercely protective of their Islamic faith” Afghans had not defiled the Korans in the first place. They were Muslim prisoners who annotated the “holy” pages with what a U.S. military official described as “extremist inscriptions” in covert messages sent back and forth, just as the jihadists held at Gitmo have been known to do (notwithstanding that Muslim prisoners get their Korans courtesy of the American taxpayers they construe the book to justify killing).
Do you know why you are supposed to stay mum about the intentional Muslim sacrilege but plead to be forgiven for the accidental American offense? Because you would otherwise have to observe that the Koran and other Islamic scriptures instruct Muslims that they are in a civilizational jihad against non-Muslims, and that it is therefore permissible for them to do whatever is necessary — including scrawl militant graffiti on their holy book — if it advances the cause. Abdul Sattar Khawasi — not a member of al-Qaeda but a member in good standing of the Afghan government for which our troops are inexplicably fighting and dying — put it this way: “Americans are invaders, and jihad against the Americans is an obligation.”
Because exploiting America’s hyper-sensitivity to things Islamic advances the jihad, the ostensible abuse of the Koran by using it for secret communiqués is to be overlooked. Actionable abuse occurs only when the book is touched by the bare hands of, or otherwise maltreated by, an infidel.
As our great Iraqi ally Ayatollah Ali Sistani teaches, touching a kafir (“one who does not believe in Allah and His Oneness”) is to be avoided, because Islamic scripture categorizes infidels as equivalent to “urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, pigs, alcoholic liquors,” and “the sweat of an animal who persistently eats filth.” That is what influential clerics — not al-Qaeda but revered scholars of Islamic law — inculcate in rank-and-file Muslims.
And they are not making it up. Sistani came upon this view after decades of dedicated scriptural study. In fact, to take just one telling example (we could list many, many others), the “holy” Koran we non-Muslims are supposed to honor proclaims (in Sura 9:28), “Truly the pagans are unclean . . . so let them not . . . approach the sacred mosque.” It is because of this injunction from Allah that non-Muslims are barred — not by al-Qaeda but by the Saudi Arabian government — from entering Mecca and Medina. Kafirs are deemed unfit to set their infidel feet on the ground of these ancient cities. You don’t like that? Too bad — grin and bear it . . . and, while you’re at it, surge up a few thousand more American troops to improve life in Kandahar.
Understand this: Muslims are killing Muslims all the time. Sunnis attack Shiites, Shiites attack Sunnis. Ahmadi Muslims are attacked in sundry Islamic countries. Often, these Muslim-on-Muslim atrocities involve not only murder but also the torching of the other sect’s homes and mosques — necessarily meaning Muslims are burning Korans, and with far more mens rea than the American personnel had in Afghanistan. None of these atrocities incite global Islamic rioting — it is just Muslim-on-Muslim violence, the numbing familiarity of which calls for no comment, except perhaps to mumble that it must have something to do with how “fiercely protective of their Islamic faith” Muslims are. (Actually, it has to do with Muslims’ deeming the perceived heresies of other Muslims to be apostasy, for which sharia prescribes the death penalty.)
Also understand this: In sharia societies, non-Muslim religious articles are confiscated and destroyed every single day as a matter of policy. In Saudi Arabia, where sharia is the law of the land, where Mecca and Medina are closed to non-Muslims, government guidelines prohibit Jews and Christians from bringing Bibles, crucifixes, Stars of David, and similar artifacts emblematic of their faith into the country. When that prohibition is violated, the offending items are seized and burned or otherwise destroyed. Moreover, though Saudis deny having an official policy that bans Jews from entering the country at all, reports are rampant of travelers’ being denied visas either because they are Jewish or because their passports bear stamps indicative of prior travel to Israel.
In spite of this shameful, conscious, systematic abuse of non-Muslims and their religious articles, King Abdullah has yet to send a letter of apology to Obama. All the presidential bowing in the world will not change this, not when Muslim supremacism is the irreducible core of mainstream Islam — not al-Qaeda Islam, mainstream Islam. And where is Mr. Karzai’s apology over the Afghan soldier who just killed two Americans? That is only the latest incident in a largely unreported epidemic: our “allies” turning their weapons on their Western trainers.
On second thought, who cares if Karzai apologizes? Our troops do not belong in Afghanistan. They have given more than enough, way more. So has our country.
If our government believes the Taliban and other factions are our enemies, allied with al-Qaeda to kill Americans, then we should unleash our military to destroy them. This should not be an endless counterinsurgency experiment that prioritizes the protection of Afghan civilians and the construction of Afghan civil society; it should be a war that our vast might enables us to win rapidly and decisively.
But our government has repeatedly professed that the Taliban are not our enemies. If that is true, we lack not only the will but the cause for waging war. We should leave — now. It is immoral to keep our young men and women there as sitting ducks in a place where the people hate Americans but we are not trying to vanquish them. We routed al-Qaeda years ago. We don’t need to defeat the Taliban or waste time negotiating with them, Karzai, the warlords, and the rest. Let them have their Korans and work it out for themselves with the compassion that has been such a Religion of Peace hallmark for the last 14 centuries.
That, however, cannot be the end of it. If, according to the president, we need to apologize to Muslims because we must accept that they have such an innate, extraordinary ardor for their religion that barbaric reactions to trivial slights are inevitable, then they should not be invited to enter a civilized country. At the very least, our immigration laws should exclude entry from Muslim-majority countries unless and until those countries expressly repeal repressive sharia laws (e.g., the death penalty for apostates) and adopt American standards of non-discrimination against, tolerance of, and protection for religious minorities.
If you really want to promote freedom in Islamic countries, an immigration policy based on civil-rights reciprocity would be a lot more effective, and a lot less expensive, than dispatching tens of thousands of troops to build sharia “democracies.” It would also protect Americans from people whose countries and cultures have not prepared them for the obligations of citizenship in a free society.
— Andrew C. McCarthy, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, is the author, most recently, of The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America.
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That's an awesome article. McCarthy is always spot-on.
The double standard we're seeing play out right now is disgusting.
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The PC police that have infected our military make the average non-grunt so worried to even touch his weapon let alone have the balls to point it at a shitbag afghan..its not funny. I'm going with a whole group of non combat arms folks here in a month and am scared shitless. They treat their weapons like they're diseased. Allen has the balls to come out and tell our guys "now is not the time for revenge"...no shit, but how about telling everybody to not trust these assholes. In 06' we'd be out and the kids would pull on our vests, grab pens etc. My troops wouldn't do a whole lot until one day a kid grabbed a smoke grenade off one of my dudes. We had asps' ordered that day and from there on the little grub diggers got shitbeat if they came near us. Fuck these people.
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:). Stay safe man. And take a dump on a koran if you can.
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:). Stay safe man. And take a dump on a koran if you can.
and stir the pot more? fool!!!
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and stir the pot more? fool!!!
Someone is taking things a tad literally.
Relax Canadian, he's only joking.
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By Andrew C. McCarthy
February 25, 2012 4:00 A.M.
We have officially lost our minds.
The New York Times reports that President Obama has sent a formal letter of apology to Afghanistan’s ingrate president, Hamid Karzai, for the burning of Korans at a U.S. military base. The only upside of the apology is that it appears (based on the Times account) to be couched as coming personally from our blindly Islamophilic president — “I wish to express my deep regret for the reported incident. . . . I extend to you and the Afghani people my sincere apologies.” It is not couched as an apology from the American people, whose frame of mind will be outrage, not contrition, as the facts become more widely known.
The facts are that the Korans were seized at a jail because jihadists imprisoned there were using them not for prayer but to communicate incendiary messages. The soldiers dispatched to burn refuse from the jail were not the officials who had seized the books, had no idea they were burning Korans, and tried desperately to retrieve the books when the situation was brought to their attention.
Of course, these facts may not become widely known, because no one is supposed to mention the main significance of what has happened here. First, as usual, Muslims — not al-Qaeda terrorists, but ordinary, mainstream Muslims — are rioting and murdering over the burning (indeed, the inadvertent burning) of a book. Yes, it’s the Koran, but it’s a book all the same — and one that, moderate Muslims never tire of telling us, doesn’t really mean everything it says anyhow.
Muslim leaders and their leftist apologists are also forever lecturing the United States about “proportionality” in our war-fighting. Yet when it comes to Muslim proportionality, Americans are supposed to shrug meekly and accept the “you burn books, we kill people” law of the jungle. Disgustingly, the Times would inure us to this moral equivalence by rationalizing that “Afghans are fiercely protective of their Islamic faith.” Well then, I guess that makes it all right, huh?
Then there’s the second not-to-be-uttered truth: Defiling the Koran becomes an issue for Muslims only when it has been done by non-Muslims. Observe that the unintentional burning would not have occurred if these “fiercely protective of their Islamic faith” Afghans had not defiled the Korans in the first place. They were Muslim prisoners who annotated the “holy” pages with what a U.S. military official described as “extremist inscriptions” in covert messages sent back and forth, just as the jihadists held at Gitmo have been known to do (notwithstanding that Muslim prisoners get their Korans courtesy of the American taxpayers they construe the book to justify killing).
Do you know why you are supposed to stay mum about the intentional Muslim sacrilege but plead to be forgiven for the accidental American offense? Because you would otherwise have to observe that the Koran and other Islamic scriptures instruct Muslims that they are in a civilizational jihad against non-Muslims, and that it is therefore permissible for them to do whatever is necessary — including scrawl militant graffiti on their holy book — if it advances the cause. Abdul Sattar Khawasi — not a member of al-Qaeda but a member in good standing of the Afghan government for which our troops are inexplicably fighting and dying — put it this way: “Americans are invaders, and jihad against the Americans is an obligation.”
Because exploiting America’s hyper-sensitivity to things Islamic advances the jihad, the ostensible abuse of the Koran by using it for secret communiqués is to be overlooked. Actionable abuse occurs only when the book is touched by the bare hands of, or otherwise maltreated by, an infidel.
As our great Iraqi ally Ayatollah Ali Sistani teaches, touching a kafir (“one who does not believe in Allah and His Oneness”) is to be avoided, because Islamic scripture categorizes infidels as equivalent to “urine, feces, semen, dead bodies, blood, dogs, pigs, alcoholic liquors,” and “the sweat of an animal who persistently eats filth.” That is what influential clerics — not al-Qaeda but revered scholars of Islamic law — inculcate in rank-and-file Muslims.
And they are not making it up. Sistani came upon this view after decades of dedicated scriptural study. In fact, to take just one telling example (we could list many, many others), the “holy” Koran we non-Muslims are supposed to honor proclaims (in Sura 9:28), “Truly the pagans are unclean . . . so let them not . . . approach the sacred mosque.” It is because of this injunction from Allah that non-Muslims are barred — not by al-Qaeda but by the Saudi Arabian government — from entering Mecca and Medina. Kafirs are deemed unfit to set their infidel feet on the ground of these ancient cities. You don’t like that? Too bad — grin and bear it . . . and, while you’re at it, surge up a few thousand more American troops to improve life in Kandahar.
Understand this: Muslims are killing Muslims all the time. Sunnis attack Shiites, Shiites attack Sunnis. Ahmadi Muslims are attacked in sundry Islamic countries. Often, these Muslim-on-Muslim atrocities involve not only murder but also the torching of the other sect’s homes and mosques — necessarily meaning Muslims are burning Korans, and with far more mens rea than the American personnel had in Afghanistan. None of these atrocities incite global Islamic rioting — it is just Muslim-on-Muslim violence, the numbing familiarity of which calls for no comment, except perhaps to mumble that it must have something to do with how “fiercely protective of their Islamic faith” Muslims are. (Actually, it has to do with Muslims’ deeming the perceived heresies of other Muslims to be apostasy, for which sharia prescribes the death penalty.)
Also understand this: In sharia societies, non-Muslim religious articles are confiscated and destroyed every single day as a matter of policy. In Saudi Arabia, where sharia is the law of the land, where Mecca and Medina are closed to non-Muslims, government guidelines prohibit Jews and Christians from bringing Bibles, crucifixes, Stars of David, and similar artifacts emblematic of their faith into the country. When that prohibition is violated, the offending items are seized and burned or otherwise destroyed. Moreover, though Saudis deny having an official policy that bans Jews from entering the country at all, reports are rampant of travelers’ being denied visas either because they are Jewish or because their passports bear stamps indicative of prior travel to Israel.
In spite of this shameful, conscious, systematic abuse of non-Muslims and their religious articles, King Abdullah has yet to send a letter of apology to Obama. All the presidential bowing in the world will not change this, not when Muslim supremacism is the irreducible core of mainstream Islam — not al-Qaeda Islam, mainstream Islam. And where is Mr. Karzai’s apology over the Afghan soldier who just killed two Americans? That is only the latest incident in a largely unreported epidemic: our “allies” turning their weapons on their Western trainers.
On second thought, who cares if Karzai apologizes? Our troops do not belong in Afghanistan. They have given more than enough, way more. So has our country.
If our government believes the Taliban and other factions are our enemies, allied with al-Qaeda to kill Americans, then we should unleash our military to destroy them. This should not be an endless counterinsurgency experiment that prioritizes the protection of Afghan civilians and the construction of Afghan civil society; it should be a war that our vast might enables us to win rapidly and decisively.
But our government has repeatedly professed that the Taliban are not our enemies. If that is true, we lack not only the will but the cause for waging war. We should leave — now. It is immoral to keep our young men and women there as sitting ducks in a place where the people hate Americans but we are not trying to vanquish them. We routed al-Qaeda years ago. We don’t need to defeat the Taliban or waste time negotiating with them, Karzai, the warlords, and the rest. Let them have their Korans and work it out for themselves with the compassion that has been such a Religion of Peace hallmark for the last 14 centuries.
That, however, cannot be the end of it. If, according to the president, we need to apologize to Muslims because we must accept that they have such an innate, extraordinary ardor for their religion that barbaric reactions to trivial slights are inevitable, then they should not be invited to enter a civilized country. At the very least, our immigration laws should exclude entry from Muslim-majority countries unless and until those countries expressly repeal repressive sharia laws (e.g., the death penalty for apostates) and adopt American standards of non-discrimination against, tolerance of, and protection for religious minorities.
If you really want to promote freedom in Islamic countries, an immigration policy based on civil-rights reciprocity would be a lot more effective, and a lot less expensive, than dispatching tens of thousands of troops to build sharia “democracies.” It would also protect Americans from people whose countries and cultures have not prepared them for the obligations of citizenship in a free society.
— Andrew C. McCarthy, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute, is the author, most recently, of The Grand Jihad: How Islam and the Left Sabotage America.
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Damn, that is a good article. Spot on.
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Agree. Great article. I am embarrassed to have that man as president.
And talk about hypocrisy from the religion of peace:
Also understand this: In sharia societies, non-Muslim religious articles are confiscated and destroyed every single day as a matter of policy. In Saudi Arabia, where sharia is the law of the land, where Mecca and Medina are closed to non-Muslims, government guidelines prohibit Jews and Christians from bringing Bibles, crucifixes, Stars of David, and similar artifacts emblematic of their faith into the country. When that prohibition is violated, the offending items are seized and burned or otherwise destroyed. Moreover, though Saudis deny having an official policy that bans Jews from entering the country at all, reports are rampant of travelers’ being denied visas either because they are Jewish or because their passports bear stamps indicative of prior travel to Israel.
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I saw "rhino's" post on the G@0 board about "Act of Valor"....he can go fuck himself.
In any event......I leave you with this.
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I don't recall Christians rioting in the streets and murdering people after this (from 2009):
Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan
May 22, 2009
(CNN) -- Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday.
Afghan workers enter a walkway on March 3, 2009, at Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan.
The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan because military rules forbid troops of any religion from proselytizing while deployed there, Lt. Col. Mark Wright said.
Such religious outreach can endanger American troops and civilians in the devoutly Muslim nation, Wright said.
"The decision was made that it was a 'force protection' measure to throw them away, because, if they did get out, it could be perceived by Afghans that the U.S. government or the U.S. military was trying to convert Muslims," Wright told CNN on Tuesday.
Troops at posts in war zones are required to burn their trash, Wright said.
The Bibles were written in the languages Pashto and Dari.
This decision came to light recently, after the Al Jazeera English network aired video of a group prayer service and chapel sermon that a reporter said suggested U.S. troops were being encouraged to spread Christianity.
The military denied that earlier this month, saying much in the video was taken out of context.
"This was irresponsible and dangerous journalism sensationalizing year-old footage of a religious service for U.S. soldiers on a U.S. base and inferring that troops are evangelizing to Afghans," Col. Gregory Julian said.
The military says a soldier at Bagram received the Bibles and didn't realize he wasn't allowed to hand them out. In the Al Jazeera video, which shows the Bibles at the prayer service, an unnamed soldier says members of his church raised money for them.
The chaplain later corrected the soldier and confiscated the Bibles, Wright said.
Military officers considered sending the Bibles back to the church, he said, but they worried the church would turn around and send them to another organization in Afghanistan -- giving the impression that they had been distributed by the U.S. government.
That could lead to violence against troops or U.S. civilians, Wright said.
Al Jazeera English, a Qatar-based international news service, said its reporters tried to get a response from military officials for its story but were unable to do so.
The U.S. military air base at Bagram is home to thousands of troops from all branches of the U.S. military. The vast majority of the troops do not leave the base and are in various support roles for U.S. troops across Afghanistan.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/
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I don't recall Christians rioting in the streets and murdering people after this (from 2009):
Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan
May 22, 2009
(CNN) -- Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday.
Afghan workers enter a walkway on March 3, 2009, at Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan.
The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan because military rules forbid troops of any religion from proselytizing while deployed there, Lt. Col. Mark Wright said.
Such religious outreach can endanger American troops and civilians in the devoutly Muslim nation, Wright said.
"The decision was made that it was a 'force protection' measure to throw them away, because, if they did get out, it could be perceived by Afghans that the U.S. government or the U.S. military was trying to convert Muslims," Wright told CNN on Tuesday.
Troops at posts in war zones are required to burn their trash, Wright said.
The Bibles were written in the languages Pashto and Dari.
This decision came to light recently, after the Al Jazeera English network aired video of a group prayer service and chapel sermon that a reporter said suggested U.S. troops were being encouraged to spread Christianity.
The military denied that earlier this month, saying much in the video was taken out of context.
"This was irresponsible and dangerous journalism sensationalizing year-old footage of a religious service for U.S. soldiers on a U.S. base and inferring that troops are evangelizing to Afghans," Col. Gregory Julian said.
The military says a soldier at Bagram received the Bibles and didn't realize he wasn't allowed to hand them out. In the Al Jazeera video, which shows the Bibles at the prayer service, an unnamed soldier says members of his church raised money for them.
The chaplain later corrected the soldier and confiscated the Bibles, Wright said.
Military officers considered sending the Bibles back to the church, he said, but they worried the church would turn around and send them to another organization in Afghanistan -- giving the impression that they had been distributed by the U.S. government.
That could lead to violence against troops or U.S. civilians, Wright said.
Al Jazeera English, a Qatar-based international news service, said its reporters tried to get a response from military officials for its story but were unable to do so.
The U.S. military air base at Bagram is home to thousands of troops from all branches of the U.S. military. The vast majority of the troops do not leave the base and are in various support roles for U.S. troops across Afghanistan.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/
Thats because Christians already went through their evolution of brutality, it was called the DARK AGES, which is where these fucking filthy Muslim hodgies belong, for some reason theyre living like its the dark ages in the fucking 21th century.
NEWSFLASH MUSLIMS, you belong in an era long ago when it was OK to slaughter those that insult your religion, you dont belong with the rest of the civilized world.
Unfortunatley, I fear weve become to civilized, and if there is one thing history has taught us, every time a civilization reaches the height of its "civility (or political correctness as we call it)", a more savage culture comes along and stomps their bleeding hearts straight into the history books.
You cant fight savages with kindness and understanding, theyll just take it and use it as a weakness with which to slaughter us. Only way to beat people like these fucking monkeys is to do the only thing they understand - utter violence and destruction. After all, you cant teach monkeys to love each other.
When our troops invaded Iraq, when the locals wouldnt listen to them when they told the people to get the fuck away, the translators told them "You have to push them around, get violent with them, they dont understand words, they only understand beatings, they are used to getting beaten."
They wouldnt listen to a damn thing the troops said to them, they only would do what they were told if they were under the threat of violence. You can reason with those kinds of people, you cant give them any kind of control, theyll just abuse it.
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US Official Visits Va. Mosque To Apologize For Koran Burning
WNYW-TV ^ | February 25, 2012
Posted on February 25, 2012 11:37:59 PM EST by 2ndDivisionVet
A Defense Department official visited a Virginia mosque Friday to reiterate the White House's apologies for the burning of Korans at a US military base in Afghanistan, pledging that those responsible will be held "appropriately accountable."
Peter Lavoy, acting assistant secretary of defense for Asian and Pacific security affairs, attended services at the ADAMS Center in Sterling, Va., and told the congregation he was there to express his "sincere regret" on behalf of the Department of Defense for the incident.
On Monday, coalition forces at Bagram Air Field brought a truckload of Islamic holy books from a detention facility to an incinerator after the detainees allegedly used the texts to pass secrets and what were described as "extremist" messages to one another.
Afghans stepped in to rescue the books, though some were already burned. The incident, viewed as an affront to Muslims, sparked widespread protests, resulting in the deaths of 24 people in four days of violence. Two US troops were shot and killed by an Afghan soldier at a base in Nangarhar Province Thursday.
Lavoy said Friday that the holy books were burned "unknowingly and improperly" and that the military "neglected, out of ignorance, long-established, correct procedures for handling religious materials."
"I know that apologies are never enough and do not erase this incident," he said, adding, "We will hold people appropriately accountable."
He also noted that US commander Gen. John Allen apologized to Afghan President Hamid Karzai and to the Afghan government and people, that Defense Secretary Leon Panetta apologized and pledged to personally review results of an investigation into the incident and that President Barack Obama wrote a letter of apology to Karzai that US Ambassador Ryan Crocker delivered by hand.
The string of apologies from the Obama administration has come under harsh criticism by Republicans. Presidential candidate Newt Gingrich called the president's apology "an outrage" and a "destructive double standard," while Sarah Palin tweeted that the "US trained & protected Afghan Army can apologize for killing our soldiers yesterday."
WTF!!!! FUBO. FUMO. FULP. FUJN. FUHC.
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CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated Ryan Crocker's title. He is the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan.
The killing of two U.S. military officers by a gunman inside Afghanistan’s heavily guarded Interior Ministry on Saturday, part of an explosion of anti-American violence that has continued unabated despite a U.S. apology over the burning of Korans by U.S. troops, has complicated President Obama’s plans to accelerate the NATO troop withdrawal and hand some operations over to the new Afghan army by mid-2013.
The challenge facing Obama is even more difficult, both strategically and politically, because his administration is preparing another apology to neighboring Pakistan over the errant NATO strikes that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers last fall. This statement was to have been delivered shortly by high-ranking U.S. military and civilian officials, most likely by Joint Chiefs Chairman Martin Dempsey and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, two U.S. officials told National Journal.
The anti-American protests in Kabul have raged since early last week, when it was first reported that Korans and other religious materials had been thrown into a pit used to burn garbage at Bagram Air Field north of Kabul. At least 25 people have been killed, including two other U.S. soldiers. A U.S. military spokesman in Kabul told National Journal that the violence would not set back plans to begin handing over security to Afghan forces, despite the decision by Gen. John Allen, commander of U.S. forces, to withdraw all NATO personnel from government ministries after the shootings on Saturday. Allen had previously apologized for the burning of the Korans.
“I don’t think there’s any discussion about this affecting transition,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. “Frankly our position is this was a careless act, but we’ve already apologized for it and we want to move on.”
Whether the planned transition in Afghanistan is affected or not, the apologies over the Koran incident and the NATO strikes pose some political peril for Obama at home in an election year. Republican presidential candidates have been regularly accusing Obama of appeasement and, as former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has put it, “apologizing for America.”
On Thursday, GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich, who has grown increasingly immoderate in his statements as he has faded in the polls, called the U.S. apology to Afghan authorities over the burned Korans “astonishing’’ and undeserved. Other Republicans have not joined in the criticism as yet. Neither Mitt Romney nor Rick Santorum's campaigns responded to requests from National Journal for comment on the killings of the officers on Saturday -- underscoring not only the distance those campaigns have put between their operations and Gingrich's but their reluctance to wade into the snarled issue of U.S.-NATO operations in Afghanistan.
As one senior congressional GOP adviser told National Journal Saturday: "The military made a mistake, even if there were radical sayings written in the Korans, we should have sought the help of a local cleric on how to dispose of them. It was a stupid mistake by our military that undercut the very essence of our strategy. When similarly unfortunate events occurred, President Bush apologized as well. There are a thousand things to criticize about the president's handling of two wars. But this ain't one of them."
Whether Obama can escape similar criticism over the apology to Pakistan that his administration is quietly preparing remains to be seen.
The latter apology, linked to an official Pentagon investigation that partially blamed mistakes made by U.S. forces for the NATO incident, was put off indefinitely after the Koran incident, but U.S. officials say they still plan to deliver it in coming weeks.
The administration initially had refused to apologize for the NATO strikes. The White House, Pentagon and State Department rebuffed the U.S. ambassador to Pakistan, Cameron Munter, early on when he pressed for an immediate apology following the Nov. 27 incident. But prodded by the new Pakistani ambassador in Washington, Sherry Rehman, the State Department resurrected the idea in recent weeks, and this time the White House and Pentagon signed off on it.
As one Defense Dept official put it this week, the administration realized that something had to be done to “try move past the rough patch” with Pakistan. Last month, Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, sent a top-secret cable to Washington concluding that Taliban havens in Pakistan were jeopardizing the success of the U.S. strategy in Afghanistan, The Washington Post reported on Saturday.
With U.S.-Pakistan relations still roiled by the fatal NATO strikes and other disputes, especially the unilateral mission that killed Osama bin Laden in a Pakistani town last year, the administration has felt compelled to give Islamabad a face-saving way to resume normal ties. The United States is pushing for talks with the Taliban ahead of a planned withdrawal from neighboring Afghanistan that is to be completed in 2014. Recently the Afghan government and Pakistani Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani also called for negotiations with the Taliban.
But U.S. officials fear that without more assistance from Islamabad, the Taliban could exploit the American withdrawal from Afghanistan to wreak havoc from across the border. Relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan are also tense following the assassination of Burhanuddin Rabbani, Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s chief peace negotiator and a former Afghan president himself, last September, allegedly by a Taliban suicide bomber. Kabul blamed Pakistan for the attack. Pakistan denied it, but Islamabad has sought to support the Islamist group as a strategic asset.
President Obama now faces a crisis in which strategic challenges abroad and presidential politics at home could collide head on in the months ahead.
National Journal White House Correspondent Major Garrett contributed to this report.
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Seven US troops wounded in grenade attack in Afghanistan (Obama apology emboldens another attack...)
Herald Sun ^ | 2/26/12 | AFP
SEVEN US troops were wounded on Sunday when demonstrators protesting the burning of the Koran threw a grenade into their base in the northern province of Kunduz, police said.
''The demonstrators hurled a hand grenade at US special forces based in Imam Sahib city of Kunduz Province. As a result, seven US special forces were wounded,'' Kunduz police spokesman Sayed Sarwar Hussaini said.
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when is ghettothugbama going to demand an apology for and on behalf of our soldiers?
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US Official Visits Va. Mosque To Apologize For Koran Burning
WNYW-TV ^ | February 25, 2012
Posted on February 25, 2012 11:37:59 PM EST by 2ndDivisionVet
A Defense Department official visited a Virginia mosque Friday to reiterate the White House's apologies for the burning of Korans at a US military base in Afghanistan, pledging that those responsible will be held "appropriately accountable."
WTF? Appeaser-in-Chief at it again. Obama's gotta GO! What an asshole.
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Insult to WWII heroes: Graves of British troops smashed and desecrated by Libyan Islamists...
The U.K. Daily Mail ^ | 02/25/2012 | Staff
A furious mob has desecrated dozens of Commonwealth War Graves in a Libyan cemetery amid continuing fury in the Middle East over the burning of the Koran by U.S. soldiers. Headstones commemorating British and Allied servicemen, killed during World War II campaigns in the Western Desert, lay smashed and strewn across Benghazi Military Cemetery. Protesters rampaged through site on Friday, despite efforts by America to calm tensions sparked when it emerged U.S. soldiers had burned Muslim holy books in a pile of rubbish at a military base in Afghanistan.
President Obama has apologised to President Karzai...
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I take back nothing I have ever said about the Jihadi-in-Chief, piss and vomit be upon him.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/world/asia/afghanistan-koran-burning-protests-enter-fifth-day.html?_r=2&partner=MYWAY&ei=5065
What a freaking mess. We need to bring everyone home asap. These animals and savages are not worth the effort or lives. Especially when you have the Islamist in Chief makin g apologies.
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WTF? Appeaser-in-Chief at it again. Obama's gotta GO! What an asshole.
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Exactly what I was thinking.
When you understand that obama thinks of himself as one of them, not us, his actions are easily understood in its proper context.
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When you understand that obama thinks of himself as one of them, not us, his actions are easily understood in its proper context.
As I said before, weve become bitches in the eyes of other countries. They know they can do whatever the fuck we want Obama will just get down on his knees, offer to give them something (islands, missle defense secrets, etc), and beg for them to please be our friends.
Obama needs to go. Now.
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As I said before, weve become bitches in the eyes of other countries. They know they can do whatever the fuck we want Obama will just get down on his knees, offer to give them something (islands, missle defense secrets, etc), and beg for them to please be our friends.
Obama needs to go. Now.
He should not be here in the first place. He is one of the worst things to have have happened to this nation, and precisely at the wrong time too.
We needed a change after GWB, but the fucking opposite of what this anti-american zealot is doing.
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He should not be here in the first place. He is one of the worst things to have have happened to this nation, and precisely at the wrong time too.
We needed a change after GWB, but the fucking opposite of what this anti-american zealot is doing.
Im sure the politicial elite laugh to themselves at night.
"Haha, those idiot citizens were so sick of Bush, so what do they do? Bush was a repub, so they have to vote democrat, because Democrat is supposed to be the exact opposite of Republicans! Little did those idiots realize that not only Obama is not the exact opposite, hes just a more EXTREME version of Bush! HAHAHA!! We realliy fucked them!"
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Im sure the politicial elite laugh to themselves at night.
"Haha, those idiot citizens were so sick of Bush, so what do they do? Bush was a repub, so they have to vote democrat, because Democrat is supposed to be the exact opposite of Republicans! Little did those idiots realize that not only Obama is not the exact opposite, hes just a more EXTREME version of Bush! HAHAHA!! We realliy fucked them!"
If anyone wants reason alone not to vote for obama in 2012 - see GWB second term. When not facing re-election these psycopaths only get worse!
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Karzai’s Response to Obama’s Apology: Put U.S. Troops on Trial and Punish Them
CNSNews ^
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012
Karzai’s Response to Obama’s Apology: Put U.S. Troops on Trial and Punish Them By Terence P. Jeffrey February 26, 2012
(CNSNews.com) - Three days after President Barack Obama dispatched his ambassador to Afghanistan to hand deliver a personal letter from the president of the United States to Afghan President Hamid Karzai apologizing because U.S. forces at Bagram Air Force Base had mistakenly burnt some Korans, Karzai has responded to the gesture in a statement broadcast live on Afghan television.
Karzai, according to a BBC translation of his remarks made Sunday, told the Afghan people he was speaking to them after discussing the matter with “jihadi leaders,” “prominent scholars,” and Afghan elected officials, and that he spoke for the “pure sentiments” of the “Afghan nation” and the “Islamic world,” when he said: “We call on the US government to bring the perpetrators of the act to justice and put them on trial and punish them.”
At the same time Karzai was demanding the prosecution and punishment of U.S. troops involved in the Koran-burning incident, he conceded that the U.S. government had indicated that the Koran burning “was not deliberate.”
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Karzai’s Response to Obama’s Apology: Put U.S. Troops on Trial and Punish Them
CNSNews ^
Posted on Sunday, February 26, 2012
Karzai’s Response to Obama’s Apology: Put U.S. Troops on Trial and Punish Them By Terence P. Jeffrey February 26, 2012
(CNSNews.com) - Three days after President Barack Obama dispatched his ambassador to Afghanistan to hand deliver a personal letter from the president of the United States to Afghan President Hamid Karzai apologizing because U.S. forces at Bagram Air Force Base had mistakenly burnt some Korans, Karzai has responded to the gesture in a statement broadcast live on Afghan television.
Karzai, according to a BBC translation of his remarks made Sunday, told the Afghan people he was speaking to them after discussing the matter with “jihadi leaders,” “prominent scholars,” and Afghan elected officials, and that he spoke for the “pure sentiments” of the “Afghan nation” and the “Islamic world,” when he said: “We call on the US government to bring the perpetrators of the act to justice and put them on trial and punish them.”
At the same time Karzai was demanding the prosecution and punishment of U.S. troops involved in the Koran-burning incident, he conceded that the U.S. government had indicated that the Koran burning “was not deliberate.”
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Karzai can go fuck himself. Fortunately, I haven't seen any indication that Obama is even considering turning anybody over for this shit.
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I don't recall Christians rioting in the streets and murdering people after this (from 2009):
Military burns unsolicited Bibles sent to Afghanistan
May 22, 2009
(CNN) -- Military personnel threw away, and ultimately burned, confiscated Bibles that were printed in the two most common Afghan languages amid concern they would be used to try to convert Afghans, a Defense Department spokesman said Tuesday.
Afghan workers enter a walkway on March 3, 2009, at Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan.
The unsolicited Bibles sent by a church in the United States were confiscated about a year ago at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan because military rules forbid troops of any religion from proselytizing while deployed there, Lt. Col. Mark Wright said.
Such religious outreach can endanger American troops and civilians in the devoutly Muslim nation, Wright said.
"The decision was made that it was a 'force protection' measure to throw them away, because, if they did get out, it could be perceived by Afghans that the U.S. government or the U.S. military was trying to convert Muslims," Wright told CNN on Tuesday.
Troops at posts in war zones are required to burn their trash, Wright said.
The Bibles were written in the languages Pashto and Dari.
This decision came to light recently, after the Al Jazeera English network aired video of a group prayer service and chapel sermon that a reporter said suggested U.S. troops were being encouraged to spread Christianity.
The military denied that earlier this month, saying much in the video was taken out of context.
"This was irresponsible and dangerous journalism sensationalizing year-old footage of a religious service for U.S. soldiers on a U.S. base and inferring that troops are evangelizing to Afghans," Col. Gregory Julian said.
The military says a soldier at Bagram received the Bibles and didn't realize he wasn't allowed to hand them out. In the Al Jazeera video, which shows the Bibles at the prayer service, an unnamed soldier says members of his church raised money for them.
The chaplain later corrected the soldier and confiscated the Bibles, Wright said.
Military officers considered sending the Bibles back to the church, he said, but they worried the church would turn around and send them to another organization in Afghanistan -- giving the impression that they had been distributed by the U.S. government.
That could lead to violence against troops or U.S. civilians, Wright said.
Al Jazeera English, a Qatar-based international news service, said its reporters tried to get a response from military officials for its story but were unable to do so.
The U.S. military air base at Bagram is home to thousands of troops from all branches of the U.S. military. The vast majority of the troops do not leave the base and are in various support roles for U.S. troops across Afghanistan.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/05/20/us.military.bibles.burned/
You guys have no idea how much friggen training we get on this crap. Unless you're a retard...ur not going out trying to convert the masses. It has happened a few times early on but the dudes didn't know any better. They aren't even good muslims, let alone convertable. Our chaplains are very careful about this.
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Karzai can go fuck himself. Fortunately, I haven't seen any indication that Obama is even considering turning anybody over for this shit.
I don't believe Obama gives three grey hairs what Karzai fucking thinks.
Ain't no one getting in trouble over this.
For a people who are supposedly so hard they certainly do sound like there's a lot of sand in their vaginas.
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I don't believe Obama gives three grey hairs what Karzai fucking thinks.
Ain't no one getting in trouble over this.
For a people who are supposedly so hard they certainly do sound like there's a lot of sand in their vaginas.
To be fair, lots of sand over there, be hard to keep it out of all of their giant gaping vaginas.
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They suck......thats the best discription I can give of them. They have nothing better to do.
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When you understand that obama thinks of himself as one of them, not us, his actions are easily understood in its proper context.
personally, I love Obama. most here do. you guys voted for him and he is still the best man. Also, if he was born muslim and converted... isn't that good for christians as an example?
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Nine killed in Afghan airport bomb, NATO base attacked
Reuters ^ | February 27, 2012 | Hamid Shalizi and Amie Ferris-Rotman
Posted on February 27, 2012 2:13:56 AM EST by 2ndDivisionVet
Kabul - A suicide car bomber killed at least nine people in an attack on a military airport in eastern Afghanistan on Monday, officials said, the latest incident of violence and protests since copies of the Koran were inadvertently burned at a NATO base last week.
There was no official indication the explosion at the gates of Jalalabad airport was linked to other deadly protests and riots, although the Taliban quickly claimed responsibility for the attack as "revenge" for the Koran burning.
Anti-Western fury has deepened significantly since the desecration of the Muslim holy book at the main NATO base in Afghanistan.
Twelve people were wounded by the suicide bomb at the airport and casualties appeared to be civilians and Afghan soldiers who were guarding the gate...
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personally, I love Obama. most here do. you guys voted for him and he is still the best man. Also, if he was born muslim and converted... isn't that good for christians as an example?
Kill yourself. Only those WH seek the collapse of America love the jihadi in chief.
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Kill yourself. Only those WH seek the collapse of America love the jihadi in chief.
that's why we have the vote :)
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that's why we have the vote :)
So you are voting to collapse America, nice.
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Taliban claims responsibility for bomb attack, poisoning in Afghanistan
cnn ^ | 2/27/2012 | Nick Paton Walsh and Masoud Popalzai
Posted on February 27, 2012 6:15:24 AM EST by tobyhill
A suicide bomber detonated a car full of explosives Monday at the front gate of a military airfield in eastern Afghanistan, an attack that follows a week of deadly violence over the burning of Qurans at an American base that has strained U.S.-Afghan military relations.
At least nine people were killed and 12 wounded in the early morning explosion near the front gate of the airport in Jalalabad, Gen. Abdullah Hazim Stanikzai, the provincial police chief, said. There were no NATO casualties.
The Taliban claimed responsibility for the bombing, saying it was in retaliation for the burning of Qurans at a U.S. base last week. ,,,,
The Taliban also claimed Monday to be behind the poisoning of food at a dining facility at Forward Operating Base Torkham, near the Afghanistan-Pakistan border. It too was a retaliatory attack, the group said.
ISAF confirmed that food at the base appeared to have been contaminated over the weekend, though it was unclear if it was deliberate.
"Nobody got sick. An Afghan dining facility worker came to his leaders at the FOB and said that something had been poisoned," Maj. David Eastburn, an ISAF spokesman, said.
"The dining facility was shut down and we brought in environmental health, who found traces of chlorine bleach in the coffee and fruit. Soldiers are now eating pre-prepared rations and no one was affected. There is a full investigation that is narrowing down who was responsible."
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personally, I love Obama. most here do. you guys voted for him and he is still the best man. Also, if he was born muslim and converted... isn't that good for christians as an example?
You are a retard if you believe that. Most here do not love him and HE IS NOT THE BEST MAN. He is not even a man. He is a punk fag like most liberal jerkoffs.
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White House blames Bush for Afghanistan turmoil
Washington Examiner ^ | 2/27/12 | Charlie Spiering Commentary Staff Writer
White House Press secretary Jay Carney today reminded reporters that prior to President Obama's term in office, the Bush administration was responsible for the tumultuous lengthy engagement in Afghanistan.
"The president made clear when he was a candidate for this office and when he took this office, that unfortunately prior to his taking office, because of the focus on Iraq, and the U.S. efforts there, that the original war, if you will, in Afghanistan had been neglected, the strategy there was unclear, and that it was not properly resourced," said Carney, adding that the U.S. goals in Afghanistan would be met with President Obama's "clear eyed" policy.
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personally, I love Obama. most here do. you guys voted for him and he is still the best man. Also, if he was born muslim and converted... isn't that good for christians as an example?
Sounds exactly like another Jag/Samson account.
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that's why we have the vote :)
333 hates voting almost as much as he hates this country and his fellow citizens
he thinks you can't be trusted to vote for the "correct" person
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333 hates voting almost as much as he hates this country and his fellow citizens
he thinks you can't be trusted to vote for the "correct" person
If you voted for Rosemary's Baby Obama in 2008 - you have proven you are not to be trusted in 2012 - I agree w that.
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Anyone who "loves" a politician is a fucking idiot.
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If you voted for Rosemary's Baby Obama in 2008 - you have proven you are not to be trusted in 2012 - I agree w that.
of course you do
you hate the very essence of what this country is all about
at least you're honest enough to admit it
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Anyone who "loves" a politician is a fucking idiot.
absolutely true but good luck telling that to the guy who starts a new "Adoration" thread everytime
he falls in love with another Republican politician
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absolutely true but good luck telling that to the guy who starts a new "Adoration" thread everytime
he falls in love with another Republican politician
;D
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Carney: Apology to Karzai ‘Not Appropriate’ for Reporters to See
PJ Tatler ^ | 2/23/12 | Bridget Johnson
Posted on February 27, 2012 7:44:00 PM EST by Nachum
The White House press secretary told members of the press pool aboard Air Force One today that President Obama’s “sincere” apology to Afghan President Hamid Karzai for a Koran-burning incident “is not appropriate to show” to reporters.
Jay Carney spoke with reporters for about 20 minutes as the presidential entourage flew to Florida for a speech on energy at the University of Miami.
Obama’s letter to Karzai that included the apology was “a lengthy, three-page letter on a host of issues, several sentences of which relate to this matter,” according to the travel pool report.
“The president, following up on a telephone conversation … wrote a long letter on a variety of issues related to our bilateral engagement, including reconciliation, including the trilateral talks that we had with Pakistan last week in Islamabad,” Carney said. “He also expressed his apology for the inadvertent burning of religious materials by American personnel in Afghanistan. It is wholly appropriate given the understandable sensitivities to this issue. His primary concern as commander in chief is the safety of American men and women in Afghanistan, of our military and civilian personnel there. It’s absolutely the right thing to do.”
Carney said Karzai did not request the apology letter. Obama spoke with Karzai the day before sending the letter.
“I would note that one of my predecessors, Dana Perino, the press secretary for President George W. Bush, following an incident in which American servicemen apparently shot, did damage to a Koran in 2008,” the press secretary said. “She expressed apologies on behalf of the president. And that’s appropriate for the same reason, because our concern – this president’s concern, as was surely the case with President Bush – is the safety and security of our men and women in uniform as well as our civilians in Afghanistan.
“One of the reasons that it’s appropriate to express our sincere apologies for this incident is the kind of reaction that it could cause that risks putting our men and women in harms way, in further risk than they already are,” Carney said. “So I think that precedent is a useful one to look at.”
(Note: After this post was written, the White House pool reporter issued a correction that Carney said “sincere,” not “severe,” apologies as they first reported. It has been corrected here.)
WWWWWWWTTTTTTFFFFFFF!!!!!!!
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Charles Krauthammer: I think what's happened over the last few days is definitive evidence of how ineffective the apology has been. If I thought the apology could save one American life I'd swallow hard and say to the president to go ahead and do it. But he did do it and it did not soothe the savage mob. In fact, it intensified the violence.
We had the shooting in cold blood of the two American advisors in the Interior Ministry, happening the day after that apology. We had the grenade thrown at American soldiers in Kunduz in northern Afghanistan, the next day. And then we had this morning, as you mentioned, the suicide attack on the American base outside of Jalalabad.
So clearly it didn't have any effect whatever. But I think even more important than the embarrassment, I think of all of those wall to wall apologies, is what it does to our strategy, because our strategy is to hand over the war to the Afghans. The immediate step for us to embed advisors, civilian and military, with Afghan officials.
The problem now is that there's a small minority, a small but deadly minority, of Afghan officials who so hate the United States, or to put in a conspiratorial way, who are so infiltrated by the Taliban enemy that it is now no longer safe. So we have withdrawn our advisors, which undermines the entire strategy and puts in question the entire effort in Afghanistan.
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they could have seized and stored them indefinitely... or... better yet... given them to the team for intel purposes - let our guys dig thru them and see what they find.
The official explanation of 'the korans were accidentally burned' sounds like horse shit.
weird that you'd have all these communications and you'd destory them. IMO, they were burning the book to hurt the prisoners, and probably laughing while they did it. not necessary. it got 2 soldiers killed, very sad. just be better than the scum enemy.
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I would send in thousands of feral pigs w korans tied on to their backs to run wild and shit all over that satanic slosh they call the holy Koran.
I think I will buy a few to take to the range next time, lead be upon them.
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White House Won’t Release Obama’s 3 PAGE APOLOGY LETTER to Hamid Karzai
Gateway Pundit ^ | February 27, 2012 | Jim Hoft
Posted on February 27, 2012 10:34:15 PM EST by opentalk
White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters today that the Obama Administration will not release the president’s THREE PAGE Apology letter to Hamid Karzai. The Tatler reported:
The White House press secretary told members of the press pool aboard Air Force One today that President Obama’s “sincere” apology to Afghan President Hamid Karzai for a Koran-burning incident “is not appropriate to show” to reporters.
Jay Carney spoke with reporters for about 20 minutes as the presidential entourage flew to Florida for a speech on energy at the University of Miami. Obama’s letter to Karzai that included the apology was “a lengthy, three-page letter on a host of issues, several sentences of which relate to this matter,” according to the travel pool report....
Carney said Karzai did not request the apology letter.
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Waiting for the riots over this. Oh wait, it was over a year ago. ::)
What's funny is that liberals and Islamists constantly tell us that the words in the Koran aren't meant to be taken seriously. You know, the countless verses about jihad, slaughtering infidels and so on. They're all a joke and taken out of context....or something.
Yet the Muslims riot any time someone desecrates said holy book, which they will then claim contains infallible words. Oh well, conflicting claims is a hallmark of this alliance.