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...who killed someone. Even though he was Miles away. His crime is as serious as the fella that Killed the girl.
"no car no crime no murder" lol ::)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/04felony.html
Do the americans here agree with this?
"CRAWFORDVILLE, Fla. — Early in the morning of March 10, 2003, after a raucous party that lasted into the small hours, a groggy and hungover 20-year-old named Ryan Holle lent his Chevrolet Metro to a friend. That decision, prosecutors later said, was tantamount to murder.
The friend used the car to drive three men to the Pensacola home of a marijuana dealer, aiming to steal a safe. The burglary turned violent, and one of the men killed the dealer’s 18-year-old daughter by beating her head in with a shotgun he found in the home.
Mr. Holle was a mile and a half away, but that did not matter.
He was convicted of murder under a distinctively American legal doctrine that makes accomplices as liable as the actual killer for murders committed during felonies like burglaries, rapes and robberies. "
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I dont agree with his sentence. Im sure his motive, when he lent his car to his friend, was not to have someone die. I think he knew that his car was going to used to transport the group of friends to the site that was robbed (drug dealer's house). But How could he know that a girl would be murdered there.
He does deserve time in prision.... But not life.
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I dont agree with his sentence. Im sure his motive, when he lent his car to his friend, was not to have someone die. I think he knew that his car was going to used to transport the group of friends to the site that was robbed. But How coyld he know that a girl would be murdered.
He does deserve time in prision.... But not life.
seems like he kind of admitted that to the cops instead of keeping his mouth shut
reward = life in the slammah
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Probably admitted to the cops he was aware the "friends" would rob the house after he gave them his car... Which means he willingly participated in the disaster that followed. Dont be an immature childish moron, as if justice was going to sentence "an innocent man" for nothing. Especially in this day and age.
Arent prisons full of people who ended there "by mistake" ::)
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Oh look, when you read the ENTIRE article you can find this;
Mr. Holle, who had given the police a series of statements in which he seemed to admit knowing about the burglary, was convicted of first-degree murder. He is serving a sentence of life without the possibility of parole at the Wakulla Correctional Institution here, 20 miles southwest of Tallahassee.
Looks like i was right!
Stupid m.o.ther.fu.ck.er. Why didnt you quote this part of the article?
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Eh, if he knew it was gonna be used for a robbery, fuck him.
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Probably admitted to the cops he was aware the "friends" would rob the house after he gave them his car... Which means he willingly participated in the disaster that followed. Dont be an immature childish moron, as if justice was going to sentence "an innocent man" for nothing. Especially in this day and age.
Arent prisons full of people who ended there "by mistake" ::)
I adressed this in the post above yours. ..stupid m0therfucker ::)
Big difference in knowing about a possible robbery imo. And What actually happened. Should have gotten senmtenced for a robbery then and not murder.
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Eh, if he knew it was gonna be used for a robbery, fuck him.
So fuck him as in fuck the rest of his life without Ever giving him another chance? not even parole?
Imo he should have gotten sentenced for "robbery" not murder.
Shouldn't have lend out his car in the first place but people deserves a second chance for some stuff. if he didnt give them the cvar they would probably just have gotten another car., so I doubt it would have prevented shit.
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So fuck him as in fuck the rest of his life without Ever giving him another chance? not even parole.
Imo he should have gotten sentenced for "robbery" not murder.
Shouldn't have lend out his car in the first place but misstakes happen.
you re unemployed, scared of real life, you think you re a thug pumping your little biceps staying in your flat behind a flat screen all year long, you re immature, ignorant, and spend your whole life browsing the web for news articles about life in the US, articles you dont even understand, you jump to stupid, immature conclusions 9 times out of 10 and make a fool of your childish self and view of the world.
You re anti american yet wishes you could live here instead of your shitty soon to be muslim country.
get a fucking life. Start with a job, and meditate on this you turd;
“The felony murder rule serves important interests,” said Mr. Rimmer, the prosecutor in the Holle case, “because it holds all persons responsible for the actions of each other if they are all participating in the same crime.”
“A person who has chosen to commit armed robbery, rape or kidnapping has chosen to do something with a strong possibility of causing the death of an innocent person,” Mr. Scheidegger said. “That choice makes it morally justified to convict the person of murder when that possibility happens.”
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you re unemployed, immature, ignorant, and spend you re whole life browsing the web for news articles about life in the US, articles you dont even understand, you jump to stupid, immature conclusions 9 times out of 10.
You re anti american yet wishes you could live here instead of your shitty soon to be muslim country.
get a fucking life. Start with a job.
if you have a job and still spend 99% of your day on getbig posting negative pointless shit to Yourself sinceno one responds. That would be waaay worse you dummy lol. I guess you have tried to talk to what friends you once had before they ran away. And read the thread before you respond, at least the post above your own will you.. I guess that's asking too much
oh you relgious nut you with daddy issues lol
and reddit.com stupid. browsing looking for american articles haha
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get a fucking life. Start with a job, and meditate on this you turd;
I know what it says... Did you not read the first question?!? pay attention will you?
obviously you didn't so let me help you..
Im Asking if people Agree with it or not.
my opinion is he should have gotten sentenced for Robbery. Not matter what that stupid law says which has been removed in many countries. But I guess you know that.
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Imo he should have gotten sentenced for "robbery" not murder.
Yeah, I agree, just don't have much sympathy either way.
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Why not? He knew they were going to rob the house. Should we feel sympathetic because a robbery didn't go as planned?
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If you are the driver of a get away car in an armed bank robbery and your partner shoots a teller. You are also guilty of murder. I don't know the details of this case. If he just lent the car not knowing they were going to commit a crime he is not guilty. If he knew it was an armed robbery, fuck him.
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If you are the driver of a get away car in an armed bank robbery and your partner shoots a teller. You are also guilty of murder. I don't know the details of this case. If he just lent the car not knowing they were going to commit a crime he is not guilty. If he knew it was an armed robbery, fuck him.
big differnece in being There helping and being miles and miles away imo.
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I dont know the laws; but if he never set foot on the crime scene; how can he be charged for a murder that another person committed? I realize his car was at the crime scene; but he never set foot on the scene.
Like I said; I dont know the laws.
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big differnece in being There helping and being miles and miles away imo.
Big difference in lending your friend a car and lending your friend a getaway car knowing he's using it to commit armed robbery. ::)
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I dont know the laws; but if he never set foot on the crime scene; how can he be charged for a murder that another person committed? I realize his car was at the crime scene; but he never set foot on the scene.
Like I said; I dont know the laws.
well the law is contriversal and has been removed from different countries hence me asking if people agree with it or not (uberloser didn't obviously understand that since hes attention span is too low)
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Big difference in lending your friend a car and lending your friend a getaway car knowing he's using it to commit armed robbery. ::)
Did you not read his post? holy attention span its in the First sentence...
"If you are the driver of a get away car in an armed bank robbery"
impossible to have any sort of discussion when people don't even Read :/
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Like the US Supreme court gives a shit what some acne-scarred, unemployed, lonely, socially-alienated Eurotrash midget thinks ::)
Why don't stick to what you're good at like spent all day on the internets looking at dead bodies and jerking off in dad's basement.
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stalker two arrives just as I thought lol
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Did you not read his post? holy attention span its in the First sentence...
"If you are the driver of a get away car in an armed bank robbery"
impossible to have any sort of discussion when people don't even Read :/
You are a retard. I was responding to your post and, to top it off, he said he didn't know the law. So what exactly is the relevance of his post?
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He knew that his friends were going to rob those folks, which means under Florida law, he in turn was part of robbing gang even if he never got into the car with them. Under most states laws, any robbery that results in a death can be upgraded in sentencing/charge even if that death was unplanned. So they all get it.
I'm not very sympathetic, bunch of sleazy folks doing sleazy things. You lie down with dogs.......
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As someone who lives in the UK which has a completely pussified legal system, I fail to understand why there are so many people in America who are banged up for decades in prison when the punishments for breaking the laws are so harsh - you'd think these massive sentences (and death penalty) would be a deterrent and that per capita by default you wouldn't have as many people in prison?
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I dont know the laws; but if he never set foot on the crime scene; how can he be charged for a murder that another person committed? I realize his car was at the crime scene; but he never set foot on the scene.
Like I said; I dont know the laws.
Many states have a "birds of feather law". Basically, if your actions ultimately resulted in a crime, then the DA can pin it on you. There was a similar case in OK:
http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-news-mother-shoots-home-invaders-story,0,4223636.story
This woman shot 2 home invaders, killing one and wounding the other. The wounded man was arrested, and so was the driver (third man). The two survivors are now being charged with murder.
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You are a retard. I was responding to your post and, to top it off, he said he didn't know the law. So what exactly is the relevance of his post?
Werll I was responding to His post as you could tell? so if you respond to that you have to take into considiration what I was responding to No?
Let me repeat myself then
To me there a difference between Driving a Getaway car. (since you're basically at or close to where the crime is being committed and you play an Active role in helping peopel get away)
And lending out your car. (yes knowing a crime might be commited but not Murder, if he knew that I doubt he would have lend out his car)
If he would have Picked them Up and drove them Home after Knowing a Murder have been Commited. Then I could understand the sentence.
Do you understand me?
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stalker two arrives just as I thought lol
? you started this dumbass thread. We re not stalking you, we re answering to another of your stupid, pointless, thread, YOU STARTED FIRST. What kind of loser are you. You must be as dumb as this holle guy. Lol at knowingly lending your car to people who will commit an armed robbery thinking it would be allright, and THEN ADMITTING YOU KNEW IT to the cops. Darwin award of the year. As if that guy was going to contribute to society in any kind of positive way growing up. Such level stupidity shouldnt be allowed. Dude should have gotten death penalty, less expensive.
Fact is society as a whole doesnt need people like him, or you. No wonder you take this useless moron's defense, you re as useless, childish, ignorant as him.
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according to upstanding getbiggers prison aint so bad
just gotta say goodbye to your girlfriend/wife/children
once u have that out of the way u can hang around the weight yard
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Many states have a "birds of feather law". Basically, if your actions ultimately resulted in a crime, then the DA can pin it on you. There was a similar case in OK:
http://www.kfor.com/news/local/kfor-news-mother-shoots-home-invaders-story,0,4223636.story
This woman shot 2 home invaders, killing one and wounding the other. The wounded man was arrested, and so was the driver (third man). The two survivors are now being charged with murder.
oh I see
that "birds of a feather" law must be great for getting convictions in gang related stuff in california.
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...who killed someone. Even though he was Miles away. His crime is as serious as the fella that Killed the girl.
"no car no crime no murder" lol ::)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/04felony.html
Do the americans here agree with this?
"CRAWFORDVILLE, Fla. — Early in the morning of March 10, 2003, after a raucous party that lasted into the small hours, a groggy and hungover 20-year-old named Ryan Holle lent his Chevrolet Metro to a friend. That decision, prosecutors later said, was tantamount to murder.
The friend used the car to drive three men to the Pensacola home of a marijuana dealer, aiming to steal a safe. The burglary turned violent, and one of the men killed the dealer’s 18-year-old daughter by beating her head in with a shotgun he found in the home.
Mr. Holle was a mile and a half away, but that did not matter.
He was convicted of murder under a distinctively American legal doctrine that makes accomplices as liable as the actual killer for murders committed during felonies like burglaries, rapes and robberies. "
Thats the stupidest fucking argument i have heard in a long time... the prosecutors claim was “No car, no consequences. No car, no murder.”
So next time someone kills someone, they should go arrest the owner of a hotel,and the murderer's mom and dad? because "no mother and father, no unprotected sex.no sleazy motel, no unprotected. no unprotected sex, no murderer son. no murderer son, no murder " . more shame is on the 12 member of the jury, what ar ethe odds of 12 fucking morons in the jury stand all at once ???
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? you started this dumbass thread. We re not stalking you, we re answering to another of your stupid, pointless, thread, YOU STARTED FIRST. What kind of loser are you. You must be as dumb as this holle guy. Lol at knowingly lending your car to people who will commit an armed robbery thinking it would be allright, and THEN ADMITTING YOU KNEW IT to the cops. Darwin award of the year. As if that guy was going to contribute to society in any form of positive way.
Fact is society as a whole doesnt need people like him, or you. No wonder you take this useless moron's defense, you re as useless, childish, ignorant as him.
you're were adressing something that was Already adressed in the post Above your Minutes before You posted it. Thinking you posted something that no one knew.. And then calling me stupid for not adressing it.. see the irony?
And Yes I dont think he should spend the entire rest of his life rotting away in jail. Punished? Yes. Life in prison? no.
keep on topic. It's not That hard stalker.
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So fuck him as in fuck the rest of his life without Ever giving him another chance? not even parole?
Imo he should have gotten sentenced for "robbery" not murder.
Shouldn't have lend out his car in the first place but people deserves a second chance for some stuff. if he didnt give them the cvar they would probably just have gotten another car., so I doubt it would have prevented shit.
You thieves always stick together.
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Thats the stupidest fucking argument i have heard in a long time... the prosecutors claim was “No car, no consequences. No car, no murder.”
So next time someone kills someone, they should go arrest the owner of a hotel,and the murderer's mom and dad? because "no mother and father, no unprotected sex.no sleazy motel, no unprotected. no unprotected sex, no murderer son. no murderer son, no murder " . more shame is on the 12 member of the jury, what ar ethe odds of 12 fucking morons in the jury stand all at once ???
Looking at your avatar... are you black by any chance?
It's funny how uneducated, unemployed, spoonfed by a single mom, fatherless, lazy SOCIALIST people from the whole world reunite behind the same banners.
You thieves always stick together.
/end of thread.
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Thats the stupidest fucking argument i have heard in a long time... the prosecutors claim was “No car, no consequences. No car, no murder.”
they seem to think that was the only car on the planet at the time. And there would have been No way on ever getting their hands on another car..
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As someone who lives in the UK which has a completely pussified legal system, I fail to understand why there are so many people in America who are banged up for decades in prison when the punishments for breaking the laws are so harsh - you'd think these massive sentences (and death penalty) would be a deterrent and that per capita by default you wouldn't have as many people in prison?
Drugs and the poor. Most of our criminals are there because of the mandatory minimum drug laws and crimes arising from that trade. The lore of quick money to folks that never had it will always beat out any penalty.
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Cali has been destroyed by gang culture. This is a way of locking up a lot of scumbags in one go. Before this they would all blame each other and unless could prove who did exactly what, a bunch or all could walk. I bet this guy has more felonies on his rap sheet than "swede" has acne scars on his hobbit face.
It's fair enough; you to rob someone, go to jack a car and one of your buddies rapes or kills someone in the course of it, then you're all guilty.
A balding loser in some isolated village where they all eat meatballs has no understanding of how this works out here. Should stick to jacking off to ogrish vids and leave American legal system to more educated people.
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Are you black?
It's funny how uneducated, unemployed, lazy people from the whole world reunite behind the same banners.
lol, wtf does that have to do with anything ? it doesnt make you "cool" to just blabber some nonsense shit, either offer some opinion or keep quiet ... your post didnt even make any sense ::)
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Cali has been destroyed by gang culture. This is a way of locking up a lot of scumbags in one go. Before this they would all blame each other and unless could prove who did exactly what, a bunch or all could walk.
It's fair enough; you to rob someone, go to jack a car and one of your buddies rapes or kills someone in the course of it, then you're all guilty.
A balding loser in some isolated village where they all eat meatballs has no understanding of how this works out here. Should stick to jacking off to ogrish vids and leave American legal system to more educated people.
He looks like a gang member ::)
so if this fella had No previous convictions (we dont know) you still think he should be put away For Life? For lending out his car?
Helooks like a geek that lend out his car to his scary friends which he doesn't dare to say no to.
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lol, wtf does that have to do with anything ? it doesnt make you "cool" to just blabber some nonsense shit, either offer some opinion or keep quiet ... your post didnt even make any sense ::)
so...you re black?
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lol @ uberman modifying his post ... oh brother ::)
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so...you re black?
are canadians black? since they thought the law was retarded??
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so...you re black?
marlo stanfield is a fictional character from a tv show about black people
a lot of white people watch it
so could just be idolizing the character and be white
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so...you re black?
lol, you had my attention for about 33 seconds, and you lost it by being a retard
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lol @ uberman modifying his post ... oh brother ::)
He modified several earlier, was getting confused with the old your and you're conundrum ;D
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He looks like a gang member ::)
so if this fella had No previous convictions (we dont know) you still think he should be put away For Life? For lending out his car?
Helooks like a geek that lend out his car to his scary friends which he doesn't dare to say no to.
So he should be set free because "swede" the unemployed, mentally unstable, snuff and scat loving shut-in from the internet thinks he looks like a geek.
You need to get a job and a real life. Your only reality is pixelated.
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Harsh sentences stop the criminal activity, ask any American. :D
Ask any American, there is no better way to show that killing is wrong than killing the worst offenders of law. :D
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marlo stanfield is a fictional character from a tv show about black people
a lot of white people watch it
so could just be idolizing the character and be white
Do you idolise Omar Little, since you love negro schlong?
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He doesn't look unhappy..... :)
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He modified several earlier, was getting confused with the old your and you're conundrum ;D
;D , with mine he finally settled with "you re"
so...you re black?
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So he should be set free because "swede" the unemployed, mentally unstable, snuff and scat loving shut-in from the internet thinks he is a geek.
You need to get a job and a real life. Your only reality is pixelated.
Wonferful conclusion retard.
It's amazing how hard it is to actually read the thread lol.
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He doesn't look unhappy..... :)
that wouldn't help him only make things worse, for the rest of his life.... because gang laws are beign abused.
NO CAR NO CRIME lol
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Do you idolise Omar Little, since you love negro schlong?
by far the coolest guy in the show was chris partlow
scary ferocious nignog killa
killing people with his bare hands
none of the other characters even came close
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As someone who lives in the UK which has a completely pussified legal system, I fail to understand why there are so many people in America who are banged up for decades in prison when the punishments for breaking the laws are so harsh - you'd think these massive sentences (and death penalty) would be a deterrent and that per capita by default you wouldn't have as many people in prison?
Recidivism, plain and simple. Many times the harsh sentences/fines are pled down to minor or lesser jail terms or probation, or time served. When they get out or get the lesser charges, they have that "I can get away with it again." mentality. Then there are the folks who have nothing to lose. But they fail to remember the system wide and vast, and they feed the system.
It is not the man who has nothing to lose one must fear, but the man who is willing to make sure you lose it all. And the US Judicial System is that "man". In bed with the Penial System, the politicians, and LE, everything is tied together. The final player is the criminal who feeds this gigantic miltiheaded "organism".
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Harsh sentences stop the criminal activity, ask any American. :D
Ask any American, there is no better way to show that killing is wrong than killing the worst offenders of law. :D
Prison industry is big bucks, you have a massive labour force and they work for pittance, guess what? They're never late either ;)
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by far the coolest guy in the show was chris partlow
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Prison industry is big bucks, you have a massive labour force and they work for pittance, guess what? They're never late either ;)
well, 9 out of 10 black people need a structure that "gives" them a job, too, as they re unable to contribute to the normal society.
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he was ....
marlo was pretty cool too
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Looking at your avatar... are you black by any chance?
It's funny how uneducated, unemployed, spoonfed by a single mom, fatherless, lazy SOCIALIST people from the whole world reunite behind the same banners.
/end of thread.
so...you re black?
well, 9 out of 10 black people need a structure that "gives" them a job, too, as they re unable to contribute to the normal society.
Are the majority of canadians black/criminals since they thought the law was stupid? and that has to make them as "stupid" as me right?
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#1 - when the cops approach you and ask Qs, you immediately do one thing - ask for an attorney.
Dude tried to talk his way out of it. badddd idea!
Lawyer up. Let the attorney issue a statement saying "the robbers stole the car without permission, my client had no knowledge of this".
At that point, it's the word of this guy against 3 murderers. He doesn't get charged with anything.
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The United States equates for 25% of the Worlds prison population, the whole World. Even when crime has gone down, prison populations have increased. People who make money from the contracting of prison labour lobby for harsh sentencing, its a multi-million dollar industry.
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Nobody should be in prison for life without parole, unless you are a psychiatric patient that is too dangerous and can't be treated effectively. But in that case the prison is called a hospital..
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Nobody should be in prison for life without parole, unless you are a psychiatric patient that is too dangerous and can't be treated effectively. But in that case the prison is called a hospital..
at least when you havent done anything..
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at least when you havent done anything..
When you haven't done anything you should get 20 yrs max...
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#1 - when the cops approach you and ask Qs, you immediately do one thing - ask for an attorney.
Dude tried to talk his way out of it. badddd idea!
Lawyer up. Let the attorney issue a statement saying "the robbers stole the car without permission, my client had no knowledge of this".
At that point, it's the word of this guy against 3 murderers. He doesn't get charged with anything.
"Sure, you can have an attorney, here is the number for the public defender"
and guess who the public defender's office works for?
Rob, one of the many reasons why many people are criminals, is because they think are slicker/smarter than normal folks or the police. Doing the smart thig like you said, doesn't go thru the average criminal mind..."sure, I'll talk", but due to feeling guilty, and a sense of ego, they usually eff it up for themselves.
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When you haven't done anything you should get 20 yrs max...
NO CAR NO CRIME NO MURDER NO GUILT!!!!
;D
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"Sure, you can have an attorney, here is the number for the public defender"
and guess who the public defender's office works for?
Rob, one of the many reasons why many people are criminals, is because they are slicker/smarter than normal folks or the police. Doing the smart thig like you said, doesn't go thru the average criminal mind..."sure, I'll talk", but due to feeling guilty, and a sense of ego, they usually eff it up for themselves.
good point. I've watched enough NYPD Blue & Law and order to know the popo will lie their asses off. If they're at your door, and youre not the one who called them, they just want to close a case and up their numebrs, and they'll fck anyone over to do it. The Wire was good too. Many cops are good but some just see everyone as criminals.
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NO CAR NO CRIME NO MURDER NO GUILT!!!!
;D
I think the guy who sold him the car should get life too....
without parole of course...
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good point. I've watched enough NYPD Blue & Law and order to know the popo will lie their asses off. If they're at your door, and youre not the one who called them, they just want to close a case and up their numebrs, and they'll fck anyone over to do it. The Wire was good too. Many cops are good but some just see everyone as criminals.
It should read, "because they think that they are slicker/smarter than normal people.
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I think the guy who sold him the car should get life too....
without parole of course...
what the fella that owns the brand of whatever car is was? NO PAROLE. and maybe the fellas who layed the pavement? NO PAVEMENT NO ROAD NO CAR NO CRIME NO MURDER!
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Like the US Supreme court gives a shit what some acne-scarred, unemployed, lonely, socially-alienated Eurotrash midget thinks ::)
Why don't stick to what you're good at like spent all day on the internets looking at dead bodies and jerking off in dad's basement.
Alex aren't you in the same spot - the unemployed/midget part
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the greatest rite you have ... shut your mouth.thats why casey anthony is walking around
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Just again shows how fucked up the justice system is in this country is....
But let's let all the murderers, rapists, baby killers, etc etc etc go free after 10 years..... ::)
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Eh, if he knew it was gonna be used for a robbery, fuck him.
I agree... He knew a crime was going to take place and he put himself in it as an accomplice.
He deserves punishment.
I don't know if "Life" is the right call... Maybe 20 years or something like that.
But he certainly isn't innocent.
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...who killed someone. Even though he was Miles away. His crime is as serious as the fella that Killed the girl.
"no car no crime no murder" lol ::)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/us/04felony.html
Do the americans here agree with this?
not sure what the problem is ??? he's scum. his friends are scum. a young girl is dead because of their actions. life without parole sounds about right to me.
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The father shouldn't be totally free of blame or guilt either - after all his daughter would be alive if he had a real job instead of being a drug dealer and hoarding huge amounts of cash he "earns" tax-free while other working citizens pay his share of taxes.
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To me there a difference between Driving a Getaway car. (since you're basically at or close to where the crime is being committed and you play an Active role in helping peopel get away)
And lending out your car. (yes knowing a crime might be commited but not Murder, if he knew that I doubt he would have lend out his car)
If he would have Picked them Up and drove them Home after Knowing a Murder have been Commited. Then I could understand the sentence.
The getaway driver would not know a murder was committed either, since he's just sitting in his car outside the house, so I dont see the big "difference"
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The getaway driver would not know a murder was committed either, since he's just sitting in his car outside the house, so I dont see the big "difference"
hes There. Driving them away from a crime. Being there and Not being there is no difference to you? :)
oh well, topic has been covered. Some people agree, some don't and some cant figure out how to read to save their lifes.
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hes There. Driving them away from a crime. Being there and Not being there is no difference to you? :)
oh well, topic has been covered. Some people agree, some don't and some cant figure out how to read to save their lifes.
Not really. How do you really define "being there?" The driver can claim he wasn't technically at the crime scene since he was outside of the house. Even the guys inside the house can who did not commit the murder can claim they weren't "there" at the murder-scene, only committing a robbery. And what about guys who order crimes to be committed by hiring criminals, and sit at home far away form the crime scene? They aren't "there" during the crime either but they won't get any slack.
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How's this scenario one. Two guys rob a bank with guns. They agree we won't kill anyone unless we are forced to. One guy kills the teller. (In the US they are both guilty of murder)
Scenario two: Two guys rob a bank. One goes in with a gun. The get away guy doesn't have a weapon. The robber in the bank kills the teller. (In the US they are both guilty of murder)
Scenario three: We are going to rob a drug dealer. Can we use your car to commit this crime because I can't commit this crime without it? Sure go ahead. Hey, we killed the drug dealer. (In the US depending on state and rightly so he's guilty of murder too)
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Scenario two: Two guys rob a bank. One goes in with a gun. The get away guy doesn't have a weapon. The robber in the bank kills the teller. (In the US they are both guilty of murder)
These guys would actually get the same sentence in the US...?
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How's this scenario one. Two guys rob a bank with guns. They agree we won't kill anyone unless we are forced to. One guy kills the teller. (In the US they are both guilty of murder)
Scenario two: Two guys rob a bank. One goes in with a gun. The get away guy doesn't have a weapon. The robber in the bank kills the teller. (In the US they are both guilty of murder)
Scenario three: We are going to rob a drug dealer. Can we use your car to commit this crime because I can't commit this crime without it? Sure go ahead. Hey, we killed the drug dealer. (In the US depending on state and rightly so he's guilty of murder too)
But of course if person C orders or plans the robbery and intended to get a share of the proceeds he is innocent because "he was not there" according to swede lol ::)
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this guy would NOT have lent his car for free without being promised a portion of the robbery proceeds.
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he should be persecuted for breaking & entering and thats it.
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big differnece in being There helping and being miles and miles away imo.
mobsters would agree with you...
fact is he knew they were going to rob the ppl, fact is when you rob ppl sometimes shit doesnt go as planned and ppl die...so knowing both of these he knew that by lending them his car somebody could end up hurt or even dead...
I agree its kinda shitty but he made his own bed, we all play by the same rules here.
I love your logic that it may have happened anyway so he should get a lesser sentence. I guess that makes his crime less offensive?
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Probably admitted to the cops he was aware the "friends" would rob the house after he gave them his car... Which means he willingly participated in the disaster that followed. Dont be an immature childish moron, as if justice was going to sentence "an innocent man" for nothing. Especially in this day and age.
Arent prisons full of people who ended there "by mistake" ::)
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Oh look, when you read the ENTIRE article you can find this;
Looks like i was right!
Stupid m.o.ther.fu.ck.er. Why didnt you quote this part of the article?
Your fucking clueless beyond repair.
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I love your logic that it may have happened anyway so he should get a lesser sentence. I guess that makes his crime less offensive?
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My comment was basing the punishment on the notion that "no car no crime" is stupid since the car didn't kill anyone. It was just transportation and Im sure they would have gotten there somehow anyway.
And lending your car to a friend isn't a crime.. apparently he Knew what was supposed to go on though. I guess that's a crime..
But I agree with canada.
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this guy would NOT have lent his car for free without being promised a portion of the robbery proceeds.
you have no clue about that do you?
They might have showed up and said we're going to take your car.. he might not have had a choice. Maybe scary friends, maybe he was a bitch. maybe not. we Don't Know. I dont you you don't.
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hes There. Driving them away from a crime. Being there and Not being there is no difference to you? :)
There is no difference.
For felony murder, the felony must be an inherently dangerous one, such as burglary, arson, robbery, rape, or kidnapping.
So, why is being there or not being there make no difference?
The reason is, that the death that occurs during an inherently dangerous felony is a foreseeable outgrowth of the defendants' felonious actions. You know that during the commission of an inherently dangerous felony, a murder is foreseeable. So, whether you drive the getaway car, conspire with others who actually commit the inherently dangerous felony, or act as an accomplice - you still assisted in the inherently dangerous felony. The death was a foreseeable outgrowth of such assistance. Your assistance was a part of the reason why the person died and it was foreseeable that such assistance could lead to such a murder. To reiterate, there is no difference between being there or not being there because the focus is on whether or not you assisted in an inherently dangerous felony that resulted in a foreseeable murder.
The purpose of such a law? TO STOP INHERENTLY DANGEROUS FELONIES from occurring. I take it after reading such an article, American's (who did not already know the felony murder law) will think twice about assisting in any way to an inherently dangerous felony. That my friend, would be a wonderful result.
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There is no difference.
For felony murder, the felony must be an inherently dangerous one, such as burglary, arson, robbery, rape, or kidnapping.
So, why is being there or not being there make no difference?
The reason is, that the death that occurs during an inherently dangerous felony is a foreseeable outgrowth of the defendants' felonious actions. You know that during the commission of an inherently dangerous felony, a murder is foreseeable. So, whether you drive the getaway car, conspire with others who actually commit the inherently dangerous felony, or act as an accomplice - you still assisted in the inherently dangerous felony. The death was a foreseeable outgrowth of such assistance. Your assistance was a part of the reason why the person died and it was foreseeable that such assistance could lead to such a murder. To reiterate, there is no difference between being there or not being there because the focus is on whether or not you assisted in an inherently dangerous felony that resulted in a foreseeable murder.
The purpose of such a law? TO STOP INHERENTLY DANGEROUS FELONIES from occurring. I take it after reading such an article, American's (who did not already know the felony murder law) will think twice about assisting in any way to an inherently dangerous felony. That my friend, would be a wonderful result.
Finally a decent response. Agreed with the last part but still. No parole? not even after 15 years or something?