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...these mountain photographers, almost. And what's to their protection? A Whistle. Talk about raw balls.
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No pussy is able to run fast enough when Bear attacks protects it's territory 8)
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...these mountain photographers, almost. And what's to their protection? A Whistle. Talk about raw balls.
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FFS these people are stupid.
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Sure there's someone nearby with a slug gun. You would have to be a stupid liberal not to.
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...these mountain photographers, almost. And what's to their protection? A Whistle. Talk about raw balls.
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Jumping down a tall building with no parachute is not showing balls - its called stupidity - annoying and invading the space of an Apex predator who happend to be at the top of the foodchain is also called yes you guessed it right... stupidity.
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If they have a silverback gorilla with them that would thwart any bear attack and actually send the bear running for mercy :D
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Just Teddy bears..
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Just Teddy bears..
Even that's 'nuff for most pussies though
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If they have a silverback gorilla with them that would thwart any bear attack and actually send the bear running for mercy :D
Would love to see that shit.
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:D
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...these mountain photographers, almost. And what's to their protection? A Whistle. Talk about raw balls.
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A gorilla would have stopped it...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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A gorilla would have stopped it...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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He thought he belonged with them. ;D
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Guy is just chillin with a silver back. Must be nice, but that gorilla could easily snap his neck.
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I posted all of these videos already... ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Hot! :P
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winny the pooh
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If they have a silverback gorilla with them that would thwart any bear attack and actually send the bear running for mercy :D
No way. A grizzly would rip the gorilla apart. Youre talking a 1500 pound monster vs a 450 pound monkey.
The gorilla is really strong etc, but the grizzly has HUGE claws, HUGE teeth and an uncanny appetite and killer instinct. The bear would seriously maul the gorilla.
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If they have a silverback gorilla with them that would thwart any bear attack and actually send the bear running for mercy :D
The question is, what would happen.
That bear on the left, Silverback on the right, those photographers and their tent in the middle.
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No way. A grizzly would rip the gorilla apart. Youre talking a 1500 pound monster vs a 450 pound monkey.
The gorilla is really strong etc, but the grizzly has HUGE claws, HUGE teeth and an uncanny appetite and killer instinct. The bear would seriously maul the gorilla.
I would pick the Gorilla. Some fo them can reach 500 pounds also. And the biggest difference is that they have "hands". Would probably just grab the grizzlys face and Rip it apart. And that would be the end of that.
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Zoo lions catch a big bird.
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Maybe it was a papabear?
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fucking hell!!!
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No way. A grizzly would rip the gorilla apart. Youre talking a 1500 pound monster vs a 450 pound monkey.
The gorilla is really strong etc, but the grizzly has HUGE claws, HUGE teeth and an uncanny appetite and killer instinct. The bear would seriously maul the gorilla.
Oh fuck, this post had to come from Cock Train.
Don't even get me started. I will be posting my Gorilla Vs Bear analyses that I have been working on for 3 years now. It goes for 20 pages and has enormous evidence to back it up and reasonable speculations and conclusions.
Let's just say that Cock Train is wrong about this, which is not surprising since he doesen't know shit about fighting in general as his MMA posts demonstrates, and his ignorance about human fighting extends into the animal kingdom as well. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Cock Train's ignorance starts with his statements about bears being "1,500 lbs monsters". Actually, grizzlies average 800 lbs with half that weight being bodyfat, and only the largest Kodiak bears and polar bears would weight in at 1,500 lbs. Black bears are much smaller at around 350 lbs. And mountain gorillas in the wild can be up to 500 lbs with almost no fat in their bodies.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The gorilla vs bear topic comes up on almost every steroid/bodybuilding board, I wonder why that is.
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Don't even get me started. I will be posting my Gorilla Vs Bear analyses that I have been working on for 3 years now. It goes for 20 pages and has enormous evidence to back it up and reasonable speculations and conclusions.
An excercise in futility, gorilla whisperer. An alpha brown bear or polar bear would be too much for the largest, most aggressive silverback.
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Hahahahaha!- A 20 page postion paper backed up by 3 years worth of conjecture on Gorilla vs Bear. I have seen and heard of some epic wastes of time during my internet travels, but that one takes the cake!
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Don't even get me started. I will be posting my Gorilla Vs Bear analyses that I have been working on for 3 years now. It goes for 20 pages and has enormous evidence to back it up and reasonable speculations and conclusions.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA AAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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This killer tried to kill me just last week. I barely escaped. Get it. . . barely escaped.
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This is what size can do. I'm sorry for every gorilla that crosses the path with a huge bear.
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Oh fuck, this post had to come from Cock Train.
Don't even get me started. I will be posting my Gorilla Vs Bear analyses that I have been working on for 3 years now. It goes for 20 pages and has enormous evidence to back it up and reasonable speculations and conclusions.
Let's just say that Cock Train is wrong about this, which is not surprising since he doesen't know shit about fighting in general as his MMA posts demonstrates, and his ignorance about human fighting extends into the animal kingdom as well. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Looks like a hit a nerve.
Nice meltdown Victor. I actually have been sending you into full meltdown mode lately. Looks like I own you.
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<< insert Suckmens'manhood's long-winded 3 paragraph google search of "silverback attributes">>
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I remember reading and seeing pictures of the aftermath of a battle between leapard and silverback. They killed each other! Maybe I'll dig it up. A grizzly bear or a Kodiak would be significantly stronger than a leopard.
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I wonder how much they paid Ronnie to be in that clip for ???
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I remember reading and seeing pictures of the aftermath of a battle between leapard and silverback. They killed each other! Maybe I'll dig it up. A grizzly bear or a Kodiak would be significantly stronger than a leopard.
are you saying all silverbackshave equal abilities and they all react the same to everything that pose a threat? Or what would it prove if it did happen..
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are you saying all silverbackshave equal abilities and they all react the same to everything that pose a threat? Or what would it prove if it did happen..
Oh oh it's going to become a debate of the silverbacks skill. Lol
A leapard is far weaker than a Kodiak, so even if the weakest silverback is the equal of a leapard, I highly doubt the strongest silverbacks will be able to make up the gap to defeat a kodiak
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Grizzley/Kodiak > Silverback.
End of debate.
Hopefully end of annoying thread too.
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You can tell that article was fake: "850 pound black bear", they don't get that big.
"27 inch phallus"---hahahaha
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Oh oh it's going to become a debate of the silverbacks skill. Lol
hell no. about as interesting as the stupid cartoon arguments lol "superman vs bla bla bla" would have could have should have.
Well, the cartoon arguments are more stupid since its just play pretend. At least these animals exists. And no one just drew them and Pretended what they could and couldn't do. And then people argue about it lol. reminds me of .....religion.
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hell no. about as interesting as the stupid cartoon arguments lol "superman vs bla bla bla" would have could have should have.
Well, the cartoon arguments are more stupid since its just play pretend. At least these animals exists. And no one just drew them and Pretended what they could and couldn't do. And then people argue about it lol. reminds me of .....religion.
STFU you unemployed hobbit
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<< insert Suckmens'manhood's long-winded 3 paragraph google search of "silverback attributes">>
Actually, it is you who stalks every MMA thread I start or post on and then meltdown epically to everything I say. Remember my Machida Vs Jones fight analyses, to which you responded beggining with "Fuck you" and then proceeded to call me all sorts of shit over an MMA opinion? ;) I own your mind, Cockl Train, and we both know it. ;)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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<< insert Suckmens'manhood's long-winded 3 paragraph google search of "silverback attributes">>
I have read 27 books on gorillas and other primates and watched literally hundreds of hours of scientific documentaries on them. I have also been to Rwanda and spent 3 weeks studying them. I think that the amount of knowledge I have on gorillas surpasses what one can gain from just reading Wikipedia and googling the word "gorilla".
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I remember reading and seeing pictures of the aftermath of a battle between leapard and silverback. They killed each other! Maybe I'll dig it up. A grizzly bear or a Kodiak would be significantly stronger than a leopard.
There is no evidence whatsoever that any adult male gorilla has ever been killed by a leopard. Period. There was a case of a very large leopard at close to 300 lbs who ambushed and killed a black back - a gorilla before puberty. So basically, an abnormally large leopard killed a gorilla of primary school age. Who gives a shit? Does this mean an average leopard at 200 lbs would be able to kill a mountain gorilla at 450 lbs? The leopard wouldn't even try, because instinctivelly it understands what would happen if it did. In fact, lowland gorillas are smaller than mountain gorillas and live close to lions who are much larger than leopards, and lions don't even try hunting gorillas even when there are none of their prey around and they are starving. What does that tell you?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Grizzley/Kodiak > Silverback.
End of debate.
Hopefully end of annoying thread too.
Actually:
Mountain gorilla >>>>>>>>>>> any bear under 1,200 lbs, which includes 99% of grizzlies and 90% of Kodiak bears.
I don't think you idiots understand just how powerful gorillas are, and how effective their morphology is for fighting.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Actually, neither would or have met in the wild. And, Grizzlies, Kodiaks are effective killers---they may forage, but they also kill for their food. Gorilla's don't .
So, even though, they would never meet in the wild, the animal that is used to killing, would probably have the upperhand.
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Actually, neither would or have met in the wild. And, Grizzlies, Kodiaks are effective killers---they may forage, but they also kill for their food. Gorilla's don't .
So, even though, they would never meet in the wild, the animal that is used to killing, would probably have the upperhand.
I agree that if a gorilla and a bear met, the bear would be the aggressor, but it does not follow the gorilla wouldn't fight after attacked. All animals fight to live. Even buffalo, who are graminous animals, fight their predators when attacked. Also, gorillas are nasty when enraged. The expression "going ape shit" exists for a reason...and the gorilla is actually more formidably armed than the bear. The bear has as it's only weapons claws that wouldn't do any damage to the gorilla unless the bear swiped at the throat. The gorilla has two 2" canines and a bite pressure powerful enough to perforate trees until the pith, arms that can bash with the power of a sledge hammer and dexterous, human-like hands that can use rocks and sticks as weapons or grab limbs and tear them apart. In facts, gorillas have been seen throwing rocks during fights.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I've seen King Kong.
I've seen Winnie the Pooh.
Just saying.
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Looks like a hit a nerve.
Nice meltdown Victor. I actually have been sending you into full meltdown mode lately. Looks like I own you.
Oh fuck, this post had to come from Cock Train.
Don't even get me started. I will be posting my Gorilla Vs Bear analyses that I have been working on for 3 years now. It goes for 20 pages and has enormous evidence to back it up and reasonable speculations and conclusions.
Let's just say that Cock Train is wrong about this, which is not surprising since he doesen't know shit about fighting in general as his MMA posts demonstrates, and his ignorance about human fighting extends into the animal kingdom as well.
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I agree that if a gorilla and a bear met, the bear would be the aggressor, but it does not follow the gorilla wouldn't fight after attacked. All animals fight to live. Even buffalo, who are graminous animals, fight their predators when attacked. Also, gorillas are nasty when enraged. The expression "going ape shit" exists for a reason...and the gorilla is actually more formidably armed than the bear. The bear has as it's only weapons claws that wouldn't do any damage to the gorilla unless the bear swiped at the throat. The gorilla has two 2" canines and a bite pressure powerful enough to perforate trees until the pith, arms that can bash with the power of a sledge hammer and dexterous, human-like hands that can use rocks and sticks as weapons or grab limbs and tear them apart. In facts, gorillas have been seen throwing rocks during fights.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Gorilla canines are more blunt, bears are like big dogs.
look under Gorillas
http://skullduggery.com/Lessons/0960-3.pdf (http://skullduggery.com/Lessons/0960-3.pdf)
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Ronnie destroying Lee Priest in that clip.
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I just spent a half hour watching youtube videos of animals trying to kill other animals :D
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i just think that when it came down to it the bear would rip the gorilla to shreds. :-\ ???
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There is no evidence whatsoever that any adult male gorilla has ever been killed by a leopard. Period. There was a case of a very large leopard at close to 300 lbs who ambushed and killed a black back - a gorilla before puberty. So basically, an abnormally large leopard killed a gorilla of primary school age. Who gives a shit? Does this mean an average leopard at 200 lbs would be able to kill a mountain gorilla at 450 lbs? The leopard wouldn't even try, because instinctivelly it understands what would happen if it did. In fact, lowland gorillas are smaller than mountain gorillas and live close to lions who are much larger than leopards, and lions don't even try hunting gorillas even when there are none of their prey around and they are starving. What does that tell you?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
"George Schaller reported that a silverback gorilla and a leopard were both found dead from mutually inflicted wounds"
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"George Schaller reported that a silverback gorilla and a leopard were both found dead from mutually inflicted wounds"
Sources? If they were found dead, how do you know they killed each other? Maybe the injuries in the body of the gorilla were caused by another gorilla. Gorillas have fangs, and the injuries from fangs can resemble those from claws on certain circumstances.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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George Schaller was a photographer and gorilla/primate expert that worked for National Geographic. So he's certainly credible. I think a guy that actually worked with live gorillas in the wild is certainly capable of determining how the animals died.
So the question should be, can your gorillas even defeat leopards more than 50% of the time, before they can think about taking on the awesome power of a Grizzly. It would be insulting to Kodiaks and Polar bears to insinuate that a gorilla is in the same league as they are--the equivalent of Dana White giving Brock Lesnar the title after 4 fights with tier-b fighters.
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i have long been a Bear advocate in this debate but Suck has some good arguments and has obviously done a great deal of research into the matter, probably more so than even i. so idk.
oh and leopards typically do not fuck with gorillas in the wild. gorillas are much heavier and stronger and typically it is the leopard who ends up running away.
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i have long been a Bear advocate in this debate but Suck has some good arguments and has obviously done a great deal of research into the matter, probably more so than even i. so idk.
oh and leopards typically do not fuck with gorillas in the wild. gorillas are much heavier and stronger and typically it is the leopard who ends up running away.
SMM doesn't have extensive first hand experience in the wild with gorillas--as National Geographic photographer and primate expert George Schaller does.
Also, "leopards typically do not fuck with gorillas in the wild" is meaningless. Many animals try to avoid conflict if possible. A video was posted of a bear being run off by dogs. By your logic this would mean a dog is tougher than a bear--which of course is nonsense. We DO however have a reported incident of a leopard being the equal of a gorilla.
Therefore, the assertion that a gorilla could beat a grizzly, much less a kodiak is rediculous and insulting to bears.
I will concede that a gorilla may be able to defeat a black bear--albeit with difficulty.
Kodiaks are in another league.
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A large male grizzly can take a .357 magnum to the head several times without any skull penetration (I know this because one of the wardens was mauled during a release and his .357 didn't do sh**)... So I have no choice but to give this fight, very easily, to a grizzly of the aforementioned size. They can run faster, they are 3 times the size, 6 inch claws... the Grizz wins.
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SMM doesn't have extensive first hand experience in the wild with gorillas--as National Geographic photographer and primate expert George Schaller does.
Also, "leopards typically do not fuck with gorillas in the wild" is meaningless. Many animals try to avoid conflict if possible. A video was posted of a bear being run off by dogs. By your logic this would mean a dog is tougher than a bear--which of course is nonsense. We DO however have a reported incident of a leopard being the equal of a gorilla.
Therefore, the assertion that a gorilla could beat a grizzly, much less a kodiak is rediculous and insulting to bears.
I will concede that a gorilla may be able to defeat a black bear--albeit with difficulty.
Kodiaks are in another league.
you are wrong.leopards do not mess with gorillas generally because they know the gorillas can fuck them up. your little dog video is irrelevant to this discussion -there are also plenty of divers who have swum with and 'fought off' great whites and survived - all it means is it wasnt interested. if it wished to the bear could have devastated any dogs.
but yeah i still have to give the edge to a kodiak, polar, or large grizzly to a gorilla - just too much size advantage.
oh and a decent .357 mag load will DEFINITELY penetrate its skull. maybe not stop it in its tracks depending on shot placement, but it can certainly enter its skull
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you are wrong.leopards do not mess with gorillas generally because they know the gorillas can fuck them up. your little dog video is irrelevant to this discussion -there are also plenty of divers who have swum with and 'fought off' great whites and survived - all it means is it wasnt interested. if it wished to the bear could have devastated any dogs.
but yeah i still have to give the edge to a kodiak, polar, or large grizzly to a gorilla - just too much size advantage.
oh and a decent .357 mag load will DEFINITELY penetrate its skull. maybe not stop it in its tracks depending on shot placement, but it can certainly enter its skull
You either believe bears can beat gorillas or you don't. Quit this mealy-mouthed fence-sitting bullshit
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If they have a silverback gorilla nasser with them that would thwart any bear attack and actually send the bear running for mercy :D
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Zoo lions catch a big bird.
i thought that the male must eat first :-X
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you're know to make errors sherief...
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you're know to make errors sherief...
no.. male lions do eat first in the wild because they are the leaders and the protectors of the pride.. in the zoo their role as protectors is not there and so females may deal with them as their equal!!..
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George Schaller was a photographer and gorilla/primate expert that worked for National Geographic. So he's certainly credible. I think a guy that actually worked with live gorillas in the wild is certainly capable of determining how the animals died.
So the question should be, can your gorillas even defeat leopards more than 50% of the time, before they can think about taking on the awesome power of a Grizzly. It would be insulting to Kodiaks and Polar bears to insinuate that a gorilla is in the same league as they are--the equivalent of Dana White giving Brock Lesnar the title after 4 fights with tier-b fighters.
I am still waiting for the sources. And you haven't answered my question: if they were found dead, then how can you possibly know they killed each other? Encyclopedia Britannica especifically states that leopards have been rumored to prey on gorillas, but that there is no evidence that an adult male mountain gorilla has ever been killed by one.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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A large male grizzly can take a .357 magnum to the head several times without any skull penetration (I know this because one of the wardens was mauled during a release and his .357 didn't do sh**)... So I have no choice but to give this fight, very easily, to a grizzly of the aforementioned size. They can run faster, they are 3 times the size, 6 inch claws... the Grizz wins.
1. Can you supply evidence that any grizzly has survived multiple shots from a .357 cal Magnum? I find that hard to believe, since the skull of a bear is only about twice as thick as that of a human and the brain behind it is equally fragile.
2. Grizzlies are not 3 times the size of gorillas; they are less than twice the size, and half their bodyweight is fat compared to the gorilla which has very little bodyfat. An average mountain gorilla at 450 lbs actually has the power advantage over the average 800 lbs bear.
3. Running fast doesen't mean shit unless if it is to run away from the fight, in which case the gorilla wins by default. Can a sprinter beat a pro MMA fighter in a fight? No, even though he can run faster.
4. A bear's claws would not cause any lethal damage to the gorilla unless it hit the carotide artery on the neck or poked the gorillas eyes out. Both are unlikely to happen in a fight. The gorillas canines and biting pressure, it's freakish arm strength and dexterous hands are more formidable weapons than the bear's paw swipes.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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There is no evidence whatsoever that a leopard has ever killed a silverback, but siberian tigers hunt and kill bears all the time. These are usually brown bears, which are smaller than grizzlies, but Russians used to pit grizzlies against siberian tigers back in the 19th century and in many cases the tigers won.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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There is no evidence whatsoever that a leopard has ever killed a silverback, but siberian tigers hunt and kill bears all the time. These are usually brown bears, which are smaller than grizzlies, but Russians used to pit grizzlies against siberian tigers back in the 19th century and in many cases the tigers won.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
you are talking as if leopards are comparable to tigers ::)
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Gorilla canines are more blunt, bears are like big dogs.
look under Gorillas
http://skullduggery.com/Lessons/0960-3.pdf (http://skullduggery.com/Lessons/0960-3.pdf)
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lol the bear being a huge bodybuilder in a club talking shit, but when he facea couple of 150lbs boxer/mma fighters with tough guy attitudes he backs down, lol typical :D
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you are talking as if leopards are comparable to tigers.
Of course not. But grizzlies are 800 lbs compared to only 450 lbs for gorillas, so the size difference is the same between siberian tigers vs grizzlies and leopards vs gorillas. The largest siberian tigers are 600 lbs whilst the largest grizzlies are up to 1,300 lbs. Mountain gorillas are 450 lbs whilst the largest leopards are about 300 lbs. So the comparison stands. And siberian tigers have actually killed grizzlies, but leopards have never been seen killing gorillas.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Gorilla canines are more blunt, bears are like big dogs.
look under Gorillas
http://skullduggery.com/Lessons/0960-3.pdf (http://skullduggery.com/Lessons/0960-3.pdf)
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Dogs 1, bears 0
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Yeah, gorillas canines are so blunt that they can perforate the trunks of trees until they reach the pith. And wood is a lot harder than the flesh of a bear. STFU.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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A computer simulation done by experts on what would happen in a fight between a gorilla and a leopard. Gorilla by decimation.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I'm going to add jaguar to the mix---jag will take out a gorilla, as the jag kills by biting thru the skull, and it has one of highest bite force indexes in the world---animals that have bone crushing jaws like the jag and spotted Hyenas, have higher bite force, Higher even than lions...
On the leopard v gorilla, there have been accounts of Burmese pythons killing and swallowing leopards---how big the leopards were, I don't know.
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I am still waiting for the sources. And you haven't answered my question: if they were found dead, then how can you possibly know they killed each other? Encyclopedia Britannica especifically states that leopards have been rumored to prey on gorillas, but that there is no evidence that an adult male mountain gorilla has ever been killed by one.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
The expert opinion of a National Geographic photographer--someone familiar with the bite markings of each animal--should be sufficient, but I will search for more definitive evidence. The fact that Britannica says that indicates there's probably more evidence indicating the same.
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1. Can you supply evidence that any grizzly has survived multiple shots from a .357 cal Magnum? I find that hard to believe, since the skull of a bear is only about twice as thick as that of a human and the brain behind it is equally fragile.
2. Grizzlies are not 3 times the size of gorillas; they are less than twice the size, and half their bodyweight is fat compared to the gorilla which has very little bodyfat. An average mountain gorilla at 450 lbs actually has the power advantage over the average 800 lbs bear.
3. Running fast doesen't mean shit unless if it is to run away from the fight, in which case the gorilla wins by default. Can a sprinter beat a pro MMA fighter in a fight? No, even though he can run faster.
4. A bear's claws would not cause any lethal damage to the gorilla unless it hit the carotide artery on the neck or poked the gorillas eyes out. Both are unlikely to happen in a fight. The gorillas canines and biting pressure, it's freakish arm strength and dexterous hands are more formidable weapons than the bear's paw swipes.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
First of all a Kodiak--not a grizzly or polar bear should be used as the exemplar of bear mightiness.
Kodiaks, despite being slightly smaller than polar bear in terms of weight, have much thicker skulls, and are covered with dense fur and fat.
It is thought that, as polar bear habitat shrinks, they will lose out to kodiaks as they are forced to compete with them in the same niche environment.
You said that when stripped of their fat, bears of comparable in lean muscle mass to gorillas, however what you failed to mention is
this layer of fat actually assist fighting, not hinder it. Similarly, the Chinese Shar-pei was bred to have excessive layers of fat folds, to protect it from grievous wounds by other dogs.
Kodiaks weigh 1000-1200 pounds, and a silverback standing upright would barely stand taller than a Kodiak's SHOULDER. Standing upright, the massive Kodiak is around 10' tall--dwarfing all silverback gorillas.
(http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww131/schamah/Other/kodiak_bear_2.jpg)
Silverbacks have a powerful bite, but their bite is nullified because a silverback has a short muzzle and dull teeth, that wouldn't be capable of penetrating this kind of dense fat layer. That is assuming a gorilla would get past the Kodiak's claws first...
(http://d6tcb1qb2rg5x.cloudfront.net/services/image.aspx/media/images/product/53990-02-L.JPG-x)
Kodiak bears have claws approaching 5" long!!! A gorilla's lean muscle mass would work against it, as it stuggles to grapple with the neckless bear. The kodiak would tear through it's flesh, raking it with it's claws until it dies.
(http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110126-upright-ape-whalen-01a.grid-6x2.jpg)
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A computer simulation done by experts on what would happen in a fight between a gorilla and a leopard. Gorilla by decimation.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Leopards weigh around 200 pounds. The fact that someone thought this would be a good fight indicates that gorillas are thought of a 'lightweights'.
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First of all a Kodiak--not a grizzly or polar bear should be used as the exemplar of bear mightiness.
Kodiaks, despite being slightly smaller than polar bear in terms of weight, have much thicker skulls, and are covered with dense fur and fat.
It is thought that, as polar bear habitat shrinks, they will lose out to kodiaks as they are forced to compete with them in the same niche environment.
You said that when stripped of their fat, bears of comparable in lean muscle mass to gorillas, however what you failed to mention is
this layer of fat actually assist fighting, not hinder it. Similarly, the Chinese Shar-pei was bred to have excessive layers of fat folds, to protect it from grievous wounds by other dogs.
Kodiaks weigh 1000-1200 pounds, and a silverback standing upright would barely stand taller than a Kodiak's SHOULDER. Standing upright, the massive Kodiak is around 10' tall--dwarfing all silverback gorillas.
(http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww131/schamah/Other/kodiak_bear_2.jpg)
Silverbacks have a powerful bite, but their bite is nullified because a silverback has a short muzzle and dull teeth, that wouldn't be capable of penetrating this kind of dense fat layer. That is assuming a gorilla would get past the Kodiak's claws first...
(http://d6tcb1qb2rg5x.cloudfront.net/services/image.aspx/media/images/product/53990-02-L.JPG-x)
Kodiak bears have claws approaching 5" long!!! A gorilla's lean muscle mass would work against it, as it stuggles to grapple with the neckless bear. The kodiak would tear through it's flesh, raking it with it's claws until it dies.
(http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110126-upright-ape-whalen-01a.grid-6x2.jpg)
makes sense, the loose skin and fat of the Kodiak would only make it more difficult for the Silverback to inflict any vital damage. any direct swipe from the Kodiac's 5" claws onto the lean muscle of the Silverback would be devastating.
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makes sense, the loose skin and fat of the Kodiak would only make it more difficult for the Silverback to inflict any vital damage. any direct swipe from the Kodiac's 5" claws onto the lean muscle of the Silverback would be devastating.
It was said that gladiators were actually kinda bulky-fat. Due to their diets and due to the fact that the fat added as padding for blows, and protected internal organs from sharp stabs.
Think of someone like Andy Whitfield (that played Spartacus) getting a real life slice from a sword versus someone like Hacksaw Jim Duggin.
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d3d_1330202542
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I'm going to add jaguar to the mix---jag will take out a gorilla, as the jag kills by biting thru the skull, and it has one of highest bite force indexes in the world---animals that have bone crushing jaws like the jag and spotted Hyenas, have higher bite force, Higher even than lions..
Well, as the Jaguar charges the Gorilla, the Grizzly grabs the Jaguar by the legs, while the Burmese Python slithers around the gorillas right leg.
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Grizzley/Kodiak > Silverback.
End of debate.
Hopefully end of annoying thread too.
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SMM has been owned into primate oblivion in this thread.
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ronnie really let himself go this year