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Former senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) on Sunday defended a statement he made last October in which he said that he “almost threw up” when he read John F. Kennedy’s 1960 Houston address on the role of religion in public life.
The statement by Santorum marks the GOP contender’s latest defense of his long-held views on the separation of church and state, although in his Sunday appearance he doubled down on the colorful language he employed in his October speech at a New Hampshire college.
In remarks last year at the College of Saint Mary Magdalen in Warner, N.H., Santorum had told the crowd of J.F.K.’s famous 1960 address to the Greater Houston Ministerial Association, “Earlier in my political career, I had the opportunity to read the speech, and I almost threw up. You should read the speech.”. . .
. . . On Sunday, ABC’s George Stephanopoulos asked Santorum whether he stood by his statement last year, noting that Santorum’s rival, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney (R), delivered an address on religion during the 2008 campaign that garnered comparisons to Kennedy’s address.
Santorum defended his remarks, telling Stephanopoulos that “the first line, first substantive line in the speech, says, ‘I believe in America where the separation of church and state is absolute.’”
“I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute,” Santorum said. “The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country.”. . .
. . .Later in the interview, Stephanopoulos asked Santorum, “You think you wanted to throw up?”
“Well, yes, absolutely,” Santorum replied. “To say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes you throw up. What kind of country do we live that says only people of non-faith can come into the public square and make their case? That makes me throw up.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/santorum-says-he-almost-threw-up-after-reading-jfk-speech-on-separation-of-church-and-state/2012/02/26/gIQA91hubR_blog.html?hpid=z1
He as usual mischaracterizes JFK's speech. The Republicans have absolutely gone off the deep end. They are certifiably insane.
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here's the problem - and the reason our forefathers went out of their way to separate chruch and state....
Santorum only wants to use HIS religion to make law. Ask him about using sharia law as the basis for things.
The moment you open up ONE group to having this kind of power, you give it to all of them.
And that's why the founders wanted religion kept out of lawmaking.
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Rick "Ahmadinejad" Santorum
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Rick "Ahmadinejad" Santorum
LOL.
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So basically JFK assured the people that the pope wouldn't be a factor in his politics. Santorum has pretty much promised us the pope or Opus Dei will be an important deciding factor in a Santorum administration.
ooh, sounds great... what on earth could be the problem lol...
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So basically JFK assured the people that the pope wouldn't be a factor in his politics. Santorum has pretty much promised us the pope or Opus Dei will be an important deciding factor in a Santorum administration.
ooh, sounds great... what on earth could be the problem lol...
Well, JFK was the first Catholic president in U.S. history....him being influenced by the Pope or other Catholic higher-ups was an actual concern.
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Well, JFK was the first Catholic president in U.S. history....him being influenced by the Pope or other Catholic higher-ups was an actual concern.
true, should it not be a concern today?
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No......Santorum is making the case that all view points have shot in public discourse. Separation of church and state only refers to the US having an official religion such as England had. The founders were christian despite the best efforts of revisionist historians.
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true, should it not be a concern today?
Yes. Someone being religious and faithful is fine so as long as a persons faith is kept separate from decision making. But then you have the gray area like the 10 Commandments....but then again those are pretty common sense anyways. So, some religious guy wants to push abstinence only sex ed or ban it all together when he's president or in congress bc pre-marital sex is outlawed by his faith....that shit shouldn't happen.
There needs to be a separation, no doubt.
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He won't...something like that would never get pushed through.
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Rick "Ahmadinejad" Santorum
Haha! Great one.
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No......Santorum is making the case that all view points have shot in public discourse. Separation of church and state only refers to the US having an official religion such as England had. The founders were christian despite the best efforts of revisionist historians.
You have some more explaining to do if you're going to defend Santorum on what he's said in this area. If Santorum is just talking about all views having a shot in public discourse, then why was Santorum so distgusted with JFK's speech? In that speech he says the same thing.
But let's look at the main point of what JFK said and you tell me why this is so disturbing to Rick "Opus Dei" Santorum:
"Whatever issue may come before me as president — on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject — I will make my decision in accordance with these views, in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise."--JFK
JFK was basically telling the people, hey I'm hear to be your president, not a puppet of the pope. This disturbs Santorum so bad he wants to puke?
And JFK wasn't talking about the seperation of church and state outside of the context it's legally viewed. So this isn't about JFK being a history revisionist. Most of what he said goes with what Jefferson said.
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true, should it not be a concern today?
LMFAOO!!!!! are you fucking kidding?
YOU VOTED FOR OBAMA WITH NO CONCERN WHETHER HE WOULD BE INFLUENCED FROM REV. WRIGHT - REMEMBER? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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LMFAOO!!!!! are you fucking kidding?
YOU VOTED FOR OBAMA WITH NO CONCERN WHETHER HE WOULD BE INFLUENCED FROM REV. WRIGHT - REMEMBER? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Dude ::) Keep this in context please. Absolutely nowhere did Obama suggest what JFK said was wrong or that he would make his decisions in office at discretion of his church. At least nobody ever pointed that out to me. I would have flipped out and never voted Obama if he had suggested that. These are valid questions we have about Santorum because of what he's said. This is about Santorum, not Obama. Chill and keep it on topic.
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LMFAOO!!!!! are you fucking kidding?
YOU VOTED FOR OBAMA WITH NO CONCERN WHETHER HE WOULD BE INFLUENCED FROM REV. WRIGHT - REMEMBER? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Ah, yes.
The same Obama whose economic policy of spreading the wealth and attacking success is based on his interpretation of "for unto whomsoever much is given, of him sall be much required". Obama even speaks to Jesus.
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Dude ::) Keep this in context please. Absolutely nowhere did Obama suggest what JFK said was wrong or that he would make his decisions in office at discretion of his church. At least nobody ever pointed that out to me. I would have flipped out and never voted Obama if he had suggested that. These are valid questions we have about Santorum because of what he's said. This is about Santorum, not Obama. Chill and keep it on topic.
False - Obama has invoked Jesus as the basis of his polices many times. He was in that hatefest church every week and those of us who brought it up were repeatedly shouted down and told it was of no concern.
Yes, Santorums' remarks make we wince, but sorry - payback is a fucking bitch.
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Obama has stated that he prays to God. That he uses Biblical scripture to determine how he will govern certain aspects of the economy and who knows what else.
Yet, that will not prevent some here from voting for him. AGAIN!!!
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False - Obama has invoked Jesus as the basis of his polices many times. He was in that hatefest church every week and those of us who brought it up were repeatedly shouted down and told it was of no concern.
Yes, Santorums' remarks make we wince, but sorry - payback is a fucking bitch.
Oh, this is now just about payback ::) You're fucking sick in the head... and many presidents have invoked Jesus... That's not what this is about you fucking dumbshit.
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Obama has stated that he prays to God. That he uses Biblical scripture to determine how he will govern certain aspects of the economy and who knows what else.
Yet, that will not prevent some here from voting for him. AGAIN!!!
Many presidents have said they pray to god and go to church and all that shit... again, that's not what this is about...
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You go get em 3333, make sure Santorum gets it for max payback... That'll show us... ::)
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You go get em 3333, make sure Santorum gets it for max payback... That'll show us... ::)
I could care less who gets us payaback in November. If Bernie Madoff were running for POTUS I would vote for that over this sick demented pofs obama.
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I could care less who gets us payaback in November. If Bernie Madoff were running for POTUS I would vote for that over this sick demented pofs obama.
So what the hell are you doing in this thread? Here we are yet again pushing the notion that I'm not qualified to be a part of the public vetting on these candidates because I voted for Obama... I'm supposed to just shut the fuck up huh or be called a hypocrite.
Again, you're comments about Obama in this thread don't even fucking apply to the point of the thread. Presidents talking about Jesus, not new!!! Candidates saying JFK's promise to not let the church force his hand in office was a mistake, that's new! It's a valid point we can talk about and not the same thing as a president talking about their faith which has happend by many.
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So what the hell are you doing in this thread? Here we are yet again pushing the notion that I'm not qualified to be a part of the public vetting on these candidates because I voted for Obama... I'm supposed to just shut the fuck up huh or be called a hypocrite.
Again, you're comments about Obama in this thread don't even fucking apply to the point of the thread. Presidents talking about Jesus, not new!!! Candidates saying JFK's promise to not let the church force his hand in office was a mistake, that's new! It's a valid point we can talk about and not the same thing as a president talking about their faith which has happend by many.
What Santorum said is wincing, but again - HOW DID WE GET HERE? ? ?
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It also makes me wonder a bit about when and who Santorum first told this stuff to.. He said this to catholics while in Rome in 2002! I have only seen quotes from what he said. If anyone has the full thing, I'd like to see exactly what he said while in Rome.
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What Santorum said is wincing, but again - HOW DID WE GET HERE? ? ?
Well, go for your max vengeance... get it out of your system... Teach those Obama voters you hate so much a lesson. All we're doing here right now is vetting the candidates and trying to get the best guy for the job AND the best guy to beat Obama. If you just want the best guy to piss off libs, whatever. ::)
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3333, why didn't you attack me when I brought this up in the other thread? You didn't have any problems with me talking about it then, but all of a sudden I'm a fucking hypocrite today for talking about it? WTF?
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Well, go for your max vengeance... get it out of your system... Teach those Obama voters you hate so much a lesson. All we're doing here right now is vetting the candidates and trying to get the best guy for the job AND the best guy to beat Obama. If you just want the best guy to piss off libs, whatever. ::)
I want RP, but would settle for Zodiak Killer if he could beat obama in the polls.
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3333, why didn't you attack me when I brought this up in the other thread? You didn't have any problems with me talking about it then, but all of a sudden I'm a fucking hypocrite today for talking about it? WTF?
Because I was busting your balls. Relax Chief.
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I want RP, but would settle for Zodiak Killer if he could beat obama in the polls.
You say this over and over and over and over. We all know it very well now, you can stop saying it, we have it memorized lol. What's wrong with others talking about this stuff? If you don't give a shit, that's your business, don't post in the thread if you don't give a rats ass who wins lol...
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Because I was busting your balls. Relax Chief.
bullshit, no you were not. I thought you were kidding at first but after reading the whole post, you were not kidding. I've read way to much of your shit to not know by now. You were serious when you jumped me in this thread over Obama.
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LOL: "The only difference between Sharia Santorum and Mullah Omar is that Santorum can't grow a beard and the Mullah can't rock a sweater-vest."
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Obama has stated that he prays to God. That he uses Biblical scripture to determine how he will govern certain aspects of the economy and who knows what else.
Yet, that will not prevent some here from voting for him. AGAIN!!!
There is a problem with this? Yet, there isn't a problem when other politicians claims God talks to them and tells them what to do?
Perhaps in your Jeus universe the hypocrisy of this won't stand out.
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There is a problem with this? Yet, there isn't a problem when other politicians claims God talks to them and tells them what to do?
Perhaps in your Jeus universe the hypocrisy of this won't stand out.
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Poor baby.... photoshop meltdown I see.
You really haven't had a happy day in your life have you? No one can be so bitter and self loathing otherwise.
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and when judges start letting muslims stone each other in muslim neighborhoods...
well, maybe poor ricky can at least not feel sick. after all, religion can be in lawmaking right? Wait, it has to be HIS religion?
GTFO
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Because I was busting your balls. Relax Chief.
Not really. You just got backed in a fucking corner where you could lie/cry/whine your way out when challenged and tried the old "just kidding" excuse you have used ad nauseam.
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There is a problem with this? Yet, there isn't a problem when other politicians claims God talks to them and tells them what to do?
Perhaps in your Jeus universe the hypocrisy of this won't stand out.
Yes, there is you liberal moron.
Liberals and Democrats have condemened the GOP over the years for being too religious. Putting fears into the minds of the people by painting the Republicans as these religious zealots who will change laws at a whim based on the Bible. Do you get it now, you stupid troll? It is what the left has always complained about and what they use constantly to ridicule any GOP nominee that professed any faith in GOD.
Now a stupid moronic liberal, such as yourself, sits in the oval office and states that he prays to the same GOD that some in the GOP claim they believe in. The same God that is called a myth by the same people who hold the same political idealogy. That same idiot in the oval office claims that he will do what many of you criticized the GOP of TRYING to do. TO CHANGE PUBLIC POLICY ACCORDING TO WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS OR ACCORDING TO HIS OWN ERRONEOUS INTERPRETATION.
Yet you morons don't see your hypocrisy. All of the sudden it's fine for a politician to pray to a mythical figure and to apply that god's teachings to the economic situation that faces this country.
A Republican that does the same thing is considered a whack job. A Dem does it, "OH, what's wrong with it? Others have done it!"
You are an idiot, you nutless fag.
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^^ Look at the meltdown this Tinkerbell is going through. HAHAHAHAHA
Two brain cells due to God's Inbreeding Program and one of them devoted to Jesus, and this is what we get. Hypocrisy is like a bear trap when you get your foot stuck in it little retardario.
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^^ Look at the meltdown this Tinkerbell is going through. HAHAHAHAHA
Two brain cells due to God's Inbreeding Program and one of them devoted to Jesus, and this is what we get. Hypocrisy is like a bear trap when you get your foot stuck in it little retardario.
You calling anyone tinkerbelle is priceless considering your affinity for obama, barney frank, et al.
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You calling anyone tinkerbelle is priceless considering your affinity for obama, barney frank, et al.
I'm not the one with shirtless pics of Barney Frank on my hard drive. That would be you. What kind of man would keep photos of a naked fag on his hard drive. Tell us please since you have first hand experience.
I heard he is marrying his boyfriend. Are you upset about that? I know you have a thing for him. Does your imaginary girlfriend know about your little secret picture stash of him?