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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Vince G, CSN MFT on February 27, 2012, 07:36:30 AM
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I've always thought that some AirSoft Guns could possibly be converted into real guns. Well it appears that the ATF thinks its also possible.
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Are you a retard...are u. The fucking thing doesn't have the parts....its not the same. Please kill yourself now. The ONLY thing you could do is remove the rails or any of the picitinny style stuff and you might be able to use some of it on a real system...Explain to me oh gunsmith of getbig how a bb and a 5.56/223 round are the same and would fit int the same barrel? This disqualifies you from any further debate on anything.
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Are you a retard...are u. The fucking thing doesn't have the parts....its not the same. Please kill yourself now. The ONLY thing you could do is remove the rails or any of the picitinny style stuff and you might be able to use some of it on a real system...Explain to me oh gunsmith of getbig how a bb and a 5.56/223 round are the same and would fit int the same barrel? This disqualifies you from any further debate on anything.
Awesome.
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This also illustrates how retarded the ATF is...if that guy was ATF.
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This has got to be the most absurd thing I have seen in a long time.
What about the firing pin and gas tube?
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I've always thought that some AirSoft Guns could possibly be converted into real guns. Well it appears that the ATF thinks its also possible.
The ATF officer is an idiot, as hh already said, you cannot use the upper reciever/barrel for ANYTHING. The lower reciever is going to be equally as worthless. Anyone with ANY firearms knowledge can tell that.
Vince, sometimes, you need to dig a little deeper than some government retard justifying a seizure. They seized those weapons because they had no red tip, and they probably thought it was some sort of smuggling scheme, now theyre having to explain their fuck up to the citizens.
There is absolutley NO WAY to convert that toy into a weapon, without replacing practically everything (upper reciever, lower reciever). Yeah, you can take the rail system and mount it on a real firearm, but you can buy those legally so who gives a fuck.
Its even more retarded for him to say you can turn it into a "machine gun".
What a tool.
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Vince - is this a relative of yours?
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Epic thread backfire.
Folks, this is proof that Obama voters are the most intelligent in the nation. :-\
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Epic thread backfire.
Folks, this is proof that Obama voters are the most intelligent in the nation. :-\
Vince checks all the boxes for the typical obams drone.
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Are you a retard...are u. The fucking thing doesn't have the parts....its not the same. Please kill yourself now. The ONLY thing you could do is remove the rails or any of the picitinny style stuff and you might be able to use some of it on a real system...Explain to me oh gunsmith of getbig how a bb and a 5.56/223 round are the same and would fit int the same barrel? This disqualifies you from any further debate on anything.
lol
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It figures that the resident genius, Vince, would leave out the follow up to the story. Watch this.
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Vince - can you post a video of a gunsmith doing an actual conversion?
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This has got to be the dumbest thread I have ever seen posted by far.
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http://pjmedia.com/blog/agents-of-incompetence-atf-dodges-foia-still-has-seized-bb-guns-part-iv/?singlepage=true
It was only a month ago that a bizarre story broke in the Pacific Northwest, as Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers trumpeted their seizure of what they claimed were more than two dozen machine guns disguised as toys.
The problem with the CBP claim was that the items seized were 16 WE TTI (WE Tech) M4A1 and 14 WE TTI (WE Tech) M4 CQBR gas blowback Airsoft rifles that shoot plastic BBs.
They really were toys.
But instead of admitting they can’t tell a toy gun from a real one, CBP turned these Airsoft rifles over to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), and the agency agreed that these pot-metal made, plastic BB-shooting plinkers were honest-to-God firearms.
To put it mildly, things got interesting.
An Airsoft expert from England dismissed the claim as absurd. In the U.S., AirSplat expert Jon Dibblee — who was once Sgt. Jon Dibblee, a U.S. Army infantryman — categorically denied that the WE Tech M4s could be made into machine guns, an expert opinion supported by a gunsmith specializing in the AR rifle who examined another WE Tech in great detail. The gunsmith determined:
The WE TTI M4s lack any sort of functional gas tube, which is integral to an AR15’s operation.
The upper receiver of an AR15 fits onto the lower of the WE TTI M4.
The stock trigger pack in the WE TTI cannot strike the firing pin of a AR15 bolt.
The body of the WE TTI lower is several mils thinner than an AR15 lower, and shims would be needed for any AR trigger pack to work.
The trigger pack of an AR15 appears to be able to fit onto the lower receiver of a WE TTI M4, one of the AR15 trigger pack retaining pins is impossible to insert without major modification, and the hammer isn’t operable with the WE TTI lower.
In short, multiple experts examined the dubious ATF claim and found that the WE Tech rifles confiscated by the CBP and slated for destruction by the ATF cannot be converted to machine guns, or any other kind of working firearm.
Customs has refused to answer questions addressed to them about the seizure, referring all claims to the ATF. As a result, Pajamas Media filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request with the ATF, asking in part for:
Documentation relating to the determination. … [C]opies of written documentation and video or photographic evidence showing how ATF technicians were able to convert the lower to fire real ammunition, and information of what occurred when the converted weapon was fired. … [C]opies of email and print communications within the ATF regarding this issue, and copies of email and print communications between ATF and CBP related to this issue.
The ATF’s written response to the FOIA request was less than helpful. Instead of providing information about the WE Tech rifles seized from Airsoft Outlet Northwest at the Port of Tacoma, Washington, ATF responded with what appeared to be a clumsy bait-and-switch:
We would like to bring to your attention our oversight on the subject of your request in our letter dated April 13, 2010; Springfield, Inc instead of record pertaining to Airsoft rifles intercepted by Customs and Border Protection; as maintained by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).
Perhaps an expert in FOIA law can explain this interesting redirection to those of us less versed in the finer points of the legalities, but it would seem quite bizarre that an agency subject to FOIA requests has the authority to randomly determine that the requester really wanted something entirely different … and entirely useless. Airsoft Outlet Northwest’s Ben Martin confirmed receiving apparently identical information in response to their FOIA request as well.
Instead of providing reasonable, simple answers to reasonable, simple questions (along the lines of “how did the ATF come to the determination that these Airsoft rifles were machine guns?”), the agency passed along a series of heavily redacted documents about:
Sigma Airsoft silencers (not WE Tech Airsoft rifles)
seized in Phoenix, AZ (not Tacoma, WA)
in 2004 (not 2009-10)
I’m sure that the three more or less complete documents they provided about Airsoft pistol silencers seized in 2004 by the Phoenix Field Division are of interest to someone. But they do not help us in the least when it comes to understanding the ATF’s determination that the WE Tech Airsoft rifles still being sold openly around the country are easily converted into fully automatic machine guns, and at a fraction of the cost the U.S. military pays for the real thing.
Pajamas Media has been in contact with Averill P. Graham, chief of the ATF’s Disclosure Division. We have communicated that the FOIA information they provided “about an entirely unrelated incident in the desert Southwest” did not answer the questions about Airsoft Outlet NW’s WE Tech rifles, or about any of the other Airsoft toys and accessories purchased by the company being held hostage by the government.
Chief Graham has asked us to return the documentation they sent, and promises to pull their file on our original request and “see what happened.” Perhaps this additional attempt will bear more fruit … but I wouldn’t suggest holding your breath.
Hope is not lost for Airsoft Outlet Northwest, however. The government recently released some of the $20,000 in inventory they’d seized, including 15 other Airsoft machine guns made by WE Tech and 20 bolt-action Airsoft guns. Perhaps with some patience — and a bit of tenacity — the ATF and Customs can finally be convinced to return these toys to their rightful owners.
Getting them to admit they were laughably wrong may be an entirely different matter.
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Bump for Vince.
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Bump.
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bump for re-hearing
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Bump for Vince.
For what??? I stand by my post. I think that some Airsoft guns are built so much like real guns that its possible that it could be converted....even worse, someone could add orange tips to real weapons and smuggle them into the U.S. as Airsoft guns.
Its a sticky situation, and some ATF agents are in agreement with me....so fuck you
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For what??? I stand by my post. I think that some Airsoft guns are built so much like real guns that its possible that it could be converted....even worse, someone could add orange tips to real weapons and smuggle them into the U.S. as Airsoft guns.
Its a sticky situation, and some ATF agents are in agreement with me....so fuck you
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For what??? I stand by my post. I think that some Airsoft guns are built so much like real guns that its possible that it could be converted....even worse, someone could add orange tips to real weapons and smuggle them into the U.S. as Airsoft guns.
Its a sticky situation, and some ATF agents are in agreement with me....so fuck you
Hmmmmm....... ;D
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Remove Vince's stars now
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For what??? I stand by my post. I think that some Airsoft guns are built so much like real guns that its possible that it could be converted....even worse, someone could add orange tips to real weapons and smuggle them into the U.S. as Airsoft guns.
Its a sticky situation, and some ATF agents are in agreement with me....so fuck you
Pay attention folks. This is the mental capacity of many Obama supporters. No wonder the nation is messed up.
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For what??? I stand by my post. I think that some Airsoft guns are built so much like real guns that its possible that it could be converted....even worse, someone could add orange tips to real weapons and smuggle them into the U.S. as Airsoft guns.
Its a sticky situation, and some ATF agents are in agreement with me....so fuck you
No fuck you, the tolerances for an airsoft gun are a hell of a lot different than those for an actual firearm, hell look at things designed for airsoft guns their are disclaimers not to use on real firearms. But please stand by your post, better yet why not make a video of your converted airsoft gun. I want to see it explode in your hands
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BUMP ;)
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BUMP ;)
Zomg this thread, this thread, zomg. I had forgotten. How can anyone possibly be this ignorant?
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BUMP ;)
Slow day? Can't find anything to meltdown over Obama this morning so you digging up 2 year old threads?
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His speech is tonight listing all the shit we won't do ad all the shit Isis won't have to worry about...tomorrow will be fun.
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;D
Allah Akbar!!!
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His speech is tonight listing all the shit we won't do ad all the shit Isis won't have to worry about...tomorrow will be fun.
Unlike 99% of the liberal idiots on this board jerking off to O-FAG's speech - I will be lifting and busting my ass in the gym.
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Vince Vindicated? ::)
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Vince Vindicated? ::)
Venom Vince Vindicated
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Venom Vince Vindicated
Vindicated Venom Vince
Vindicated Vince Versace
Vindicated Venom Vince Versace?
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Venom Vince Vee Vindicator
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Funny - if it was so easy - why are not the fellow thuggies in the hood converting airsoft into real guns to use in the streets? ;)
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Funny - if it was so easy - why are not the fellow thuggies in the hood converting airsoft into real guns to use in the streets? ;)
Notice he didn't fire it, guess he likes his hand
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Zomg this thread, this thread, zomg. I had forgotten. How can anyone possibly be this ignorant?
whats the best is that vince actually served in the military. I bet he couldnt even tell how a gun works let alone why his posts in this thread are so stupid.
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whats the best is that vince actually served in the military. I bet he couldnt even tell how a gun works let alone why his posts in this thread are so stupid.
There's a lot of youtube and liveleak videos out there showing people converting those airsofts into real weapons. And yes I served in the military so I know how a gun works you dumb bastard.
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There's a lot of youtube and liveleak videos out there showing people converting those airsofts into real weapons. And yes I served in the military so I know how a gun works you dumb bastard.
please link us to a video where a person converts an airsoft gun to a functioning gun and shows them shooting it.
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There's a lot of youtube and liveleak videos out there showing people converting those airsofts into real weapons. And yes I served in the military so I know how a gun works you dumb bastard.
Yeah a 3 month stint as a cook in Navy, you are an expert ::)
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Pure 100% bullshit. These parts are not interchangeable. An air soft lower cannot be fit to a working upper and function, in the case of an AR15. For pistols the fire control parts are compatible. Severe injury would result. Just look up the SAMMI specs for modern ammunition and the pressures involved.
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please link us to a video where a person converts an airsoft gun to a functioning gun and shows them shooting it.
Are you too lazy to go to youtube and use the search function????
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Are you too lazy to go to youtube and use the search function????
I actually looked and couldnt find a single one....
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There is only one way to settle this, Vince you convert an airsoft gun into a real firearm and post a video of your hand being turned into hamburger. You see we kill to birds with one store the myth is disproven and you won't be able to post anymore
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There is only one way to settle this, Vince you convert an airsoft gun into a real firearm and post a video of your hand being turned into hamburger. You see we kill to birds with one store the myth is disproven and you won't be able to post anymore
Boom. ;)
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There is only one way to settle this, Vince you convert an airsoft gun into a real firearm and post a video of your hand being turned into hamburger. You see we kill to birds with one store the myth is disproven and you won't be able to post anymore
Nice ;D
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LOL@OP ITT.
Converting airsoft guns. ::)
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Vince Vindicated?
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Vince Vindicated?
Are you loco?
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Are you loco?
Si. So is Vince Vindicated yet? Or did he lose a hand to a modified airsoft gun?
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Si. So is Vince Vindicated yet? Or did he lose a hand to a modified airsoft gun?
Since he is not responding, he must have blown his hand off.
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Since he is not responding, he must have blown his hand off.
Will Vince recover? Vince, really sorry about your hand!
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Si. So is Vince Vindicated yet? Or did he lose a hand to a modified airsoft gun?
He is about as vindicated as he is straight.
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He is about as vindicated as he is straight.
Como? Homo? ???
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Como? Homo? ???
El es muy Homo. Yuck!!!!
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Bump