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Just curious to hear the opinions of those who are backing Ms. Fluke and the admins fight?
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Just curious to hear the opinions of those who are backing Ms. Fluke and the admins fight?
Because the communist leftists say so.
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Its not a fucking right.
Whats next? Hand soap is a fucking right? Because otherwise you can get sick?
Liposuction? Cause excess fat can cause disease?
Where does it end?
People do not have the "right" of the government to pay for their ENTIRELY OPTIONAL bc, its not like its something that if you dont have it, something bad is going to happen. Those people make the choice to sleep with who they do - it is not their right to have others pay for their lifestyle. Its utter bullshit.
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Who said it was a right?
Is the group healthcare you pay for a right?
Is someone else's group healthcare that they pay for anyone else business?
If your health insurance doesn't provide something you want then what is the problem with trying to get them to provide it
why would anyone have a problem with that?
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Who said it was a right?
Is the group healthcare you pay for a right?
Is someone else's group healthcare that they pay for anyone else business?
If your health insurance doesn't provide something you want then what is the problem with trying to get them to provide it
why would anyone have a problem with that?
Because filthy pigs like Sandra Fluke think it is a right to fuck whoever they want, whenever they want with contraceptive methods paid for on OUR dime. See, leftist windbags such as yourself can't have a coherent discussion on this topic without misdirecting the issue. This is about economics and personal choice. Does Lisa Ann have the right to get gangbanged on a daily basis? Absolutely. God bless her. Should I pay for Lisa Ann's birth control pills? Hell the fuck no.
And Straw, Lisa Ann is a female porn star who does straight pornographic films. You probably have never heard of her and watching her in action would probably make you nauseous because she doesn't have a penis.
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Because filthy pigs like Sandra Fluke think it is a right to fuck whoever they want, whenever they want with contraceptive methods paid for on OUR dime. See, leftist windbags such as yourself can't have a coherent discussion on this topic without misdirecting the issue. This is about economics and personal choice. Does Lisa Ann have the right to get gangbanged on a daily basis? Absolutely. God bless her. Should I pay for Lisa Ann's birth control pills? Hell the fuck no.
And Straw, Lisa Ann is a female porn star who does straight pornographic films. You probably have never heard of her and watching her in action would probably make you nauseous because she doesn't have a penis.
why do you think they you would be paying the monthly premium on the group health plan that is available to the students of Georgetown?
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why do you think they you would be paying the monthly premium on the group health plan that is available to the students of Georgetown?
Besides the fact that a Catholic University shouldn't have to provide contraceptive services through any health plan, who do you think will end up footing the bill when all is said and done?
When something becomes a "right", everyone else bears the burden of financing that "right"-- And in this case the inevitable result will be higher health insurance premiums for the rest of us from our individual providers ( or through the massive tax hikes on the way via Osamacare).
And even more to the point, are condoms $3000 dollars/ month? How about the morning after pill?
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Besides the fact that a Catholic University shouldn't have to provide contraceptive services through any health plan, who do you think will end up footing the bill when all is said and done?
When something becomes a "right", everyone else bears the burden of financing that "right"-- And in this case the inevitable result will be higher health insurance premiums for the rest of us from our individual providers ( or through the massive tax hikes on the way via Osamacare).
And even more to the point, are condoms $3000 dollars/ month? How about the morning after pill?
you haven't explained why you think you are paying the health insurance premium for the students at Georgetown?
Who said condoms cost $3000 a month
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you haven't explained why you think you are paying the health insurance premium for the students at Georgetown?
Who said condoms cost $3000 a month
Actually I did. Maybe you should invest in reading comprehension classes.
And Sandra Fluke said that contraceptive methods can cost people like her $3,000 out of pocket monthly.
I wasn't aware that condoms were that expensive. Or maybe, As Rush said-- she is having that much sex.
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Actually I did. Maybe you should invest in reading comprehension classes.
And Sandra Fluke said that contraceptive methods can cost people like her $3,000 out of pocket monthly.
I wasn't aware that condoms were that expensive. Or maybe, As Rush said-- she is having that much sex.
she did not say 3000 month :D
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Who said it was a right?
Is the group healthcare you pay for a right?
Is someone else's group healthcare that they pay for anyone else business?
If your health insurance doesn't provide something you want then what is the problem with trying to get them to provide it
why would anyone have a problem with that?
She's not trying only to get her plan to carry a specific service. She wants the government to mandate all carriers be required to carry a service regardless of their or anybody else's opinion.
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She's not trying only to get her plan to carry a specific service. She wants the government to mandate all carriers be required to carry a service regardless of their or anybody else's opinion.
Racist post reported.
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since when it's a right..
the right to own a gun is a right..this country is beyond fucked up
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She's not trying only to get her plan to carry a specific service. She wants the government to mandate all carriers be required to carry a service regardless of their or anybody else's opinion.
And as you know there is plenty of precedent for that, much of which was sponsored, championed, endorsed and signed into law by Republicans just a few years ago
btw - do you have any links to her testimony or what she actually said. I googled it but all I can find the is Limbaugh stuff
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since when it's a right..
the right to own a gun is a right..this country is beyond fucked up
no one ever said it was a right
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Racist post reported.
Racist post re-reported.
Clearly were just racist against sluts who want us to pay for their (rediculously high costs... 3000!? WTF!? How many men is that bitch fucking to have to pay that much for contraception?!) meds.
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no one ever said it was a right
YES SHE DID!!! She wants it to be a government MANDATE otherwise were fucking with her "rights as a woman".
That is a RIGHT, you know, when someone wants to MANDATE that EVERY INSURANCE COMPANY OFFERS IT or it VIOLATES HER RIGHTS. ::) :-\
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since when it's a right..
the right to own a gun is a right..this country is beyond fucked up
You're so sexy when your self righteous. ;)
You can be my Sandra Fluke any day of the week. ;D
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You're so sexy when your self righteous. ;)
You can be my Sandra Fluke any day of the week. ;D
oh go fluke yourself zippy...Gonna be in nyc in 3 weeks for the half marathon in queens then I'll head over to astoria for greek food wanna come ;D
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oh go fluke yourself zippy...Gonna be in nyc in 3 weeks for the half marathon in queens then I'll head over to astoria for greek food wanna come ;D
Very much. 8)
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You're so sexy when your self righteous. ;)
You can be my Sandra Fluke any day of the week. ;D
LOL - giving up so easily ?
how about a little clarification on why you think you're personally paying the group health insurance premiums at Georgetown
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Sounds like George is gonna be making some "Bow chicka wow wow"
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LOL - giving up so easily ?
how about a little clarification on why you think you're personally paying the group health insurance premiums at Georgetown
Sigh... Youre arguing semantics trying to not look like an idiot - her stated GOAL, is for government to MANDATE that contraceptives have to be covered by health insurance, that means EVERYONES premiums will go up in order for her and women like her to be able to fuck as much as they want on OUR dime. Thats the point, you fucking idiot.
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she did not say 3000 month :D
Georgie seems like the kind of guy who prides himself on knowing the facts so he must have verified that somewhere
It couldn't be that Fluke testified that contraception costs $1000 per school year so $3000 over the 3 year period of law school and then decided that = 3k a month for condoms
that would just be stupid and I don't think he would do that intentionally
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Sounds like George is gonna be making some "Bow chicka wow wow"
haha shock..we like to jab each other, we've known each other not from here for a long time...totally smart good man
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Sigh... Youre arguing semantics trying to not look like an idiot - her stated GOAL, is for government to MANDATE that contraceptives have to be covered by health insurance, that means EVERYONES premiums will go up in order for her and women like her to be able to fuck as much as they want on OUR dime. Thats the point, you fucking idiot.
excellent work
can you provide me a source or a link because I haevn't been able to find it yet everyone seems to know exactly what she said
thanks
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LOL - giving up so easily ?
how about a little clarification on why you think you're personally paying the group health insurance premiums at Georgetown
Who's talking to you?
Are you jealous that a female temporarily had my attention for 2 posts?
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Craig Bannister at CNSNews.com did the math and found that “At a dollar a condom if she shops at CVS pharmacy’s website, that $3,000 would buy her 3,000 condoms – or, 1,000 a year.” Divide 1,000 by 365, and it seems Ms. Fluke wants us to believe Georgetown girls are “having sex 2.74 times a day, every day, for three straight years.” Considering that my friends and I (male and female alike) managed to survive four years of college without having any sex, I don’t think the Georgetown kids cutting down a little is too much to ask
Further, the Weekly Standard’s John McCormack notes:
Birth control pills can be purchased for as low as $9 per month at a pharmacy near Georgetown’s campus. According to an employee at the pharmacy in Washington, D.C.’s Target store, the pharmacy sells birth control pills–the generic versions of Ortho Tri-Cyclen and Ortho-Cyclen–for $9 per month. ”That’s the price without insurance,” the Target employee said. Nine dollars is less than the price of two beers at a Georgetown bar
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Who's talking to you?
Are you jealous that a female temporarily had my attention for 2 posts?
take your time Georgie
I'm sure you don't get much attention from women so enjoy it while you can
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And as you know there is plenty of precedent for that, much of which was sponsored, championed, endorsed and signed into law by Republicans just a few years ago
btw - do you have any links to her testimony or what she actually said. I googled it but all I can find the is Limbaugh stuff
I could care less, it's wrong when either side does it.
I believe the 3G is over the period of a 3 year law degree, not sure.
how about a little clarification on why you think you're personally paying the group health insurance premiums at Georgetown
He didn't say that, you made it up.
And obviously if the government mandates it for all plans, we're obviously all paying for it - at least people covered with a plan.
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Straw- One google search entitled "Sandra Fluke transcript" yielded the following: PS Do you know how to tie your shoes, or do you need one of us to do that for you as well?
http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/02/23/transcript-sandra-fluke-testifies-on-why-women-should-be-allowed-access-to-contraception-and-reproductive-health-care/ (http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/02/23/transcript-sandra-fluke-testifies-on-why-women-should-be-allowed-access-to-contraception-and-reproductive-health-care/)
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Craig Bannister at CNSNews.com did the math and found that “At a dollar a condom if she shops at CVS pharmacy’s website, that $3,000 would buy her 3,000 condoms – or, 1,000 a year.” Divide 1,000 by 365, and it seems Ms. Fluke wants us to believe Georgetown girls are “having sex 2.74 times a day, every day, for three straight years.” Considering that my friends and I (male and female alike) managed to survive four years of college without having any sex, I don’t think the Georgetown kids cutting down a little is too much to ask
Further, the Weekly Standard’s John McCormack notes:
Birth control pills can be purchased for as low as $9 per month at a pharmacy near Georgetown’s campus. According to an employee at the pharmacy in Washington, D.C.’s Target store, the pharmacy sells birth control pills–the generic versions of Ortho Tri-Cyclen and Ortho-Cyclen–for $9 per month. ”That’s the price without insurance,” the Target employee said. Nine dollars is less than the price of two beers at a Georgetown bar
I guess if an idiot draws that conclusion it must be true and we must assume that's what she meant in her testimony
It is pretty damn funny to watch Repubs getting so upset about an issue that they fully supported by MANDATE just a few years ago
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I guess if an idiot draws that conclusion it must be true and we must assume that's what she meant in her testimony
It is pretty damn funny to watch Repubs getting so upset about an issue that they fully supported by MANDATE just a few years ago
In other words, you have no coherent response or rebuttal, no rational person can defend Sandra Fluke's crusade and you're contemplating suicide.
God's speed Straw.
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Straw- One google search entitled "Sandra Fluke transcript" yielded the following: PS Do you know how to tie your shoes, or do you need one of us to do that for you as well?
http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/02/23/transcript-sandra-fluke-testifies-on-why-women-should-be-allowed-access-to-contraception-and-reproductive-health-care/ (http://www.whatthefolly.com/2012/02/23/transcript-sandra-fluke-testifies-on-why-women-should-be-allowed-access-to-contraception-and-reproductive-health-care/)
Thanks Georgie
Now we can all read the shocking demands of this communist and see exactly why Rush felt justified in calling her a slut and a prostitute:
“Leader [Nancy] Pelosi, members of Congress, good morning. And thank you for calling this hearing on women’s health and for allowing me to testify on behalf of the women who will benefit from the Affordable Care Act contraceptive coverage regulation
“My name is Sandra Fluke, and I’m a third-year student at Georgetown Law School. I’m also a past-president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ. And I’d like to acknowledge my fellow LSRJ members and allies and all of the student activists with us and thank them so much for being here today.
(Applause)
“We, as Georgetown LSRJ, are here today because we’re so grateful that this regulation implements the non-partisan medical advice of the Institute of Medicine.
“I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraceptive coverage in its student health plan. And just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously-affiliated hospitals and institutions and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens.
“We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women.
“Simultaneously, the recently announced adjustment addresses any potential conflict with the religious identity of Catholic or Jesuit institutions.
“When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected by this lack of contraceptive coverage.
“And especially in the last week, I have heard more and more of their stories. On a daily basis, I hear yet from another woman from Georgetown or from another school or who works for a religiously-affiliated employer, and they tell me that they have suffered financially and emotionally and medically because of this lack of coverage.
“And so, I’m here today to share their voices, and I want to thank you for allowing them – not me – to be heard.
“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy.
“One told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn’t afford that prescription. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.
“Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using contraception because she and her husband just couldn’t fit it into their budget anymore. Women employed in low-wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the same choice.
“And some might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that’s just not true.
“Women’s health clinic provide a vital medical service, but as the Guttmacher Institute has definitely documented, these clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing, and women are being forced to go without the medical care they need.
“How can Congress consider the [Rep. Jeff] Fortenberry (R-Neb.), [Sen. Marco] Rubio (R-Fla.) and [Sen. Roy] Blunt (R-Mo.) legislation to allow even more employers and institutions to refuse contraception coverage and then respond that the non-profit clinics should step up to take care of the resulting medical crisis, particularly when so many legislators are attempting to de-fund those very same clinics?
“These denial of contraceptive coverage impact real people.
“In the worst cases, women who need these medications for other medical conditions suffer very dire consequences.
“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.
“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.
“When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.
“In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.
“For my friend and 20% of the women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription. Despite verifications of her illness from her doctor, her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.
“After months paying over $100 out-of-pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore, and she had to stop taking it.
“I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of the night in her final exam period she’d been in the emergency room. She’d been there all night in just terrible, excruciating pain. She wrote to me, ‘It was so painful I’d woke up thinking I’ve been shot.’
“Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary as a result.
“On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she was sitting in a doctor’s office, trying to cope with the consequences of this medical catastrophe.
“Since last year’s surgery, she’s been experiencing night sweats and weight gain and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary. She’s 32-years-old.
“As she put it, ‘If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no choice at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies simply because the insurance policy that I paid for, totally unsubsidized by my school, wouldn’t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.’
“Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that come with having menopause at such an early age – increased risk of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis – she may never be able to conceive a child.
“Some may say that my friend’s tragic story is rare. It’s not. I wish it were
“One woman told us doctors believe she has endometriosis, but that can’t be proven without surgery. So the insurance has not been willing to cover her medication – the contraception she needs to treat her endometriosis.
“Recently, another woman told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome and she’s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it.
“Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown’s policy, she hasn’t been reimbursed for her medications since last August.
“I sincerely pray that we don’t have to wait until she loses an ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these women are taken seriously.
“Because this is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends: A woman’s reproductive health care isn’t a necessity, isn’t a priority.
“One woman told us that she knew birth control wasn’t covered on the insurance and she assumed that that’s how Georgetown’s insurance handle all of women’s reproductive and sexual health care. So when she was raped, she didn’t go to the doctor, even to be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections, because she thought insurance wasn’t going to cover something like that – something that was related to a woman’s reproductive health.
“As one other student put it: ‘This policy communicates to female students that our school doesn’t understand our needs.’
“These are not feelings that male fellow student experience and they’re not burdens that male students must shoulder.
“In the media lately, some conservative Catholic organizations have been asking what did we expect when we enroll in a Catholic school?
“We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success.
“We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of ‘cura personalis‘ – to care for the whole person – by meeting all of our medical needs.
“We expected that when we told our universities of the problem this policy created for us as students, they would help us.
“We expected that when 94% of students oppose the policy the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for – completely unsubsidized by the university.
“We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that we should have gone to school elsewhere.
“And even if that meant going to a less prestigious university, we refuse to pick between a quality education and our health. And we resent that in the 21st century, anyone think it’s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.
“Many of the women whose stories I’ve shared today are Catholic women. So ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for the access to the health care we need.
“The President of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and the universities appreciate the modifications to the rule announced recently. Religious concerns are addressed and women get the health care they need. And I sincerely hope that that is something we can all agree upon.
“Thank you very much.”
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In other words, you have no coherent response or rebuttal, no rational person can defend Sandra Fluke's crusade and you're contemplating suicide.
God's speed Straw.
translation for morons = Fluke never said, implied, suggested etc.. that woman needed 3k worth of condoms or the woman were having sex 2.74 times per day
in fact as you can see most of her testimony is about the prophylactic benefits of contraception which have nothing to do with sex
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I could care less, it's wrong when either side does it.
I believe the 3G is over the period of a 3 year law degree, not sure.
He didn't say that, you made it up.
And obviously if the government mandates it for all plans, we're obviously all paying for it - at least people covered with a plan.
not true
he provided this pathetic scenario
Because filthy pigs like Sandra Fluke think it is a right to fuck whoever they want, whenever they want with contraceptive methods paid for on OUR dime. See, leftist windbags such as yourself can't have a coherent discussion on this topic without misdirecting the issue. This is about economics and personal choice. Does Lisa Ann have the right to get gangbanged on a daily basis? Absolutely. God bless her. Should I pay for Lisa Ann's birth control pills? Hell the fuck no.
And Straw, Lisa Ann is a female porn star who does straight pornographic films. You probably have never heard of her and watching her in action would probably make you nauseous because she doesn't have a penis.
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not true
he provided this pathetic scenario
Uh...exactly. Like I said, you made it up.
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Uh...exactly. Like I said, you made it up.
I wish I made it up
that would be better than someone actually believing that they personally have to pay this womans insurance premium
Georgie is just parroting the belief of his hero Rush who seems to believe the exact same thing
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:). Why should the desires of this communist slut ho bag supercede the rights of georgetown?
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:). Why should the desires of this communist slut ho bag supercede the rights of georgetown?
Why don't you ask the Republicans who supported mandated contraception with no exemption for religious employers
those people actually enacted laws where Fluke did nothing more than offer a personal opinion in a public hearing
why don't you ask the president of Georgetown how he feels about it since you seemed so concerned for them
http://www.georgetown.edu/message-civility-public-discourse.html
Dear Members of the Georgetown Community:
There is a legitimate question of public policy before our nation today. In the effort to address the problem of the nearly fifty million Americans who lack health insurance, our lawmakers enacted legislation that seeks to increase access to health care. In recent weeks, a question regarding the breadth of services that will be covered has focused significant public attention on the issue of contraceptive coverage. Many, including the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, have offered important perspectives on this issue.
In recent days, a law student of Georgetown, Sandra Fluke, offered her testimony regarding the proposed regulations by the Department of Health and Human Services before a group of members of Congress. She was respectful, sincere, and spoke with conviction. She provided a model of civil discourse. This expression of conscience was in the tradition of the deepest values we share as a people. One need not agree with her substantive position to support her right to respectful free expression. And yet, some of those who disagreed with her position – including Rush Limbaugh and commentators throughout the blogosphere and in various other media channels – responded with behavior that can only be described as misogynistic, vitriolic, and a misrepresentation of the position of our student.
In our vibrant and diverse society, there always are important differences that need to be debated, with strong and legitimate beliefs held on all sides of challenging issues. The greatest contribution of the American project is the recognition that together, we can rely on civil discourse to engage the tensions that characterize these difficult issues, and work towards resolutions that balance deeply held and different perspectives. We have learned through painful experience that we must respect one another and we acknowledge that the best way to confront our differences is through constructive public debate. At times, the exercise of one person’s freedom may conflict with another’s. As Americans, we accept that the only answer to our differences is further engagement.
In an earlier time, St. Augustine captured the sense of what is required in civil discourse: "Let us, on both sides, lay aside all arrogance. Let us not, on either side, claim that we have already discovered the truth. Let us seek it together as something which is known to neither of us. For then only may we seek it, lovingly and tranquilly, if there be no bold presumption that it is already discovered and possessed."
If we, instead, allow coarseness, anger – even hatred – to stand for civil discourse in America, we violate the sacred trust that has been handed down through the generations beginning with our Founders. The values that hold us together as a people require nothing less than eternal vigilance. This is our moment to stand for the values of civility in our engagement with one another.
Sincerely,
John J. DeGioia
President
Georgetown University
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Why don't you ask the Republicans who supported mandated contraception with no exemption for religious employers
those people actually enacted laws where Fluke did nothing more than offer a personal opinion in a public hearing
why don't you ask the president of Georgetown how he feels about it since you seemed so concerned for them
http://www.georgetown.edu/message-civility-public-discourse.html
IT DOESNT MATTER WHICH SIDE SUPPORTS IT - ITS WRONG.
The Republicans were wrong then, then Democrats are wrong now.
Your argument is bullshit. Both sides were in the wrong.
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IT DOESNT MATTER WHICH SIDE SUPPORTS IT - ITS WRONG.
The Republicans were wrong then, then Democrats are wrong now.
Your argument is bullshit. Both sides were in the wrong.
ok "it's wrong" because you believe it's wrong
meanwhile the government is involved in regulating commerce and has been since day 1
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Who said it was a right?
Is the group healthcare you pay for a right?
Is someone else's group healthcare that they pay for anyone else business?
If your health insurance doesn't provide something you want then what is the problem with trying to get them to provide it
why would anyone have a problem with that?
The left is saying its a right, when you force someone to pay your arent trying to get them to cover it you are FORCING them to pay for it.
making it your right, they dont have a choice in the matter is the point.
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And as you know there is plenty of precedent for that, much of which was sponsored, championed, endorsed and signed into law by Republicans just a few years ago
btw - do you have any links to her testimony or what she actually said. I googled it but all I can find the is Limbaugh stuff
that doesnt make it ok straw, you rant and rave over how bad the reps are but then you use them for justification?
really?
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that doesnt make it ok straw, you rant and rave over how bad the reps are but then you use them for justification?
really?
I'm pointing out their protests are bullshit since they not only had no problem with it before but actually promoted it before
you can't have it both ways
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ok "it's wrong" because you believe it's wrong
meanwhile the government is involved in regulating commerce and has been since day 1
This is somehow commerce? The gov mandating what a private company HAS to offer?
Whats next? Telling Target they have to offer insurance?
I dont know why I bother even talking with you, you have some asinine justification for everything, and youll never admit youre wrong, so all thats going on is Im wasting my time.
So, go fuck yourself.
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The left is saying its a right, when you force someone to pay your arent trying to get them to cover it you are FORCING them to pay for it.
making it your right, they dont have a choice in the matter is the point.
where are you getting the idea that Fluke or anyone else is asking/demanding that someone be forced to pay for their insurance?
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This is somehow commerce? The gov mandating what a private company HAS to offer?
Whats next? Telling Target they have to offer insurance?
I dont know why I bother even talking with you, you have some asinine justification for everything, and youll never admit youre wrong, so all thats going on is Im wasting my time.
So, go fuck yourself.
LOL - all out of ideas so now it's on to personal insults
you don't believe health insurance companies are part of commerce?
I assume you're aware that the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. South-Eastern Underwriters Association that the federal government could regulate insurance companies under the authority of the Commerce Clause in the U.S. Constitution and that insurance currently enjoy and exemption from anit-trust laws (repeal of which would go a long way to eliminating all the current problems).
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LOL - all out of ideas so now it's on to personal insults
you don't believe health insurance companies are part of commerce?
I assume you're aware that the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. South-Eastern Underwriters Association that the federal government could regulate insurance companies under the authority of the Commerce Clause in the U.S. Constitution and that insurance currently enjoy and exemption from anit-trust laws (repeal of which would go a long way to eliminating all the current problems).
Regulating the companies is one thing, mandating that individuals purchase products and services from said companies, under penalty of law, and being forced to enter into a contract by force, is a whole separate altogether, especially on the federal level.
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Regulating the companies is one thing, mandating that individuals purchase products and services from said companies, under penalty of law, and being forced to enter into a contract by force, is a whole separate altogether, especially on the federal level.
I assume you're not referrring to Georgetown anymore ?
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it's not a right, IMO. just like tampons and toilet paper aren't a right.
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it's not a right, IMO. just like tampons and toilet paper aren't a right.
who said it was a right ?
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I'd rather pay a thousand a year for birth control, then the 600 a month for EACH child that gets made and becomes a welfare recipient.
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I'd rather pay a thousand a year for birth control, then the 600 a month for EACH child that gets made and becomes a welfare recipient.
How are you going to make sure she uses the rubbers? Are Obamas team of African Ball Washers going to double up as a Jimmy Patrol?
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I'm pointing out their protests are bullshit since they not only had no problem with it before but actually promoted it before
you can't have it both ways
by this logic the left cant ever complain about shit either since there is always an instance of shit like this, right?
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where are you getting the idea that Fluke or anyone else is asking/demanding that someone be forced to pay for their insurance?
they are demanding that certain things be covered under insurance, do you really not see that issue?
I mean seriously, you dont have to agree with it but dont be so dull that you dont see what the issue is for others...
for the love of shit man.
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How are you going to make sure she uses the rubbers? Are Obamas team of African Ball Washers going to double up as a Jimmy Patrol?
I would assume that if someone applies for free birth control of some sort that they plan on using it... Wouldn't you?
I mean, women go get BC scripts from their doctors specifically so they do not get knocked up.
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I would assume that if someone applies for free birth control of some sort that they plan on using it... Wouldn't you?
I mean, women go get BC scripts from their doctors specifically so they do not get knocked up.
I know a lot of dingbats who can't be trusted to even put the gas cap back on after fueling up the car.
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I'd rather pay a thousand a year for birth control, then the 600 a month for EACH child that gets made and becomes a welfare recipient.
Tu Do you honestly think that mandating employers cover birth control will help lower the amount of unwanted pregnancy?
honestly, if they arent willing to walk down to the corner store to buy a pack a condoms you think they are going to now?
It isnt that contraception is to expensive or out of the reach of these ppl, its that they simply dont use contraception...
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I know a lot of dingbats who can't be trusted to even put the gas cap back on after fueling up the car.
No disagreement from me, but that doesn't take away from the fact that at least trying to be responsible enough to not get knocked up and cause me more of a tax burden is a good thing.
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I would assume that if someone applies for free birth control of some sort that they plan on using it... Wouldn't you?
I mean, women go get BC scripts from their doctors specifically so they do not get knocked up.
Wouldnt you assume that a person who doesnt want to become pregnant would also use contraception?
why then do we have so many elective abortions?
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LOL - all out of ideas so now it's on to personal insults
you don't believe health insurance companies are part of commerce?
I assume you're aware that the Supreme Court ruled in United States v. South-Eastern Underwriters Association that the federal government could regulate insurance companies under the authority of the Commerce Clause in the U.S. Constitution and that insurance currently enjoy and exemption from anit-trust laws (repeal of which would go a long way to eliminating all the current problems).
If you cant understand the difference between regulating to ensure fair business practices, and telling companies what goods or services they HAVE to offer consumers(considering thats what youre indicating), well... like I said, waste of my time.
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it's flat bull shit. as well as government funded abortions, government funded contraceptive, government funded single mommy money, etc... fucking bull shit. and well-fair—let's not forget well-fair—the most abused sack of shit government program ever.
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Wouldnt you assume that a person who doesnt want to become pregnant would also use contraception?
why then do we have so many elective abortions?
I would guess that to them they are either.
1. Correcting a mistake.
or
2. Their birth control failed them somehow.
Again, I'm not 100 percent sure on the matter... nor does it matter to me... Would also rather pay 300 bucks for an abortion than for 18 years of child welfare as well.
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I would guess that to them they are either.
1. Correcting a mistake.
or
2. Their birth control failed them somehow.
Again, I'm not 100 percent sure on the matter... nor does it matter to me... Would also rather pay 300 bucks for an abortion than for 18 years of child welfare as well.
for the purpose of this argument the reasoning doesnt matter the point you made is that by giving them access to free contraception it would limit the amount of support we have to give to unplanned children.
The point however doesnt exactly land as it isnt that this individuals cant use or dont have access to contraception its that they simply dont use it. So having somebody pay for the option of them using it while they arent going to use isnt going to change anything.
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Very much. 8)
Get a room. lol :D
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Sandra Fluke is the modern day Monica Lewinsky. She will never live this down.
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for the purpose of this argument the reasoning doesnt matter the point you made is that by giving them access to free contraception it would limit the amount of support we have to give to unplanned children.
The point however doesnt exactly land as it isnt that this individuals cant use or dont have access to contraception its that they simply dont use it. So having somebody pay for the option of them using it while they arent going to use isnt going to change anything.
Well, there's certainly no access to birth control is there?
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Well, there's certainly no access to birth control is there?
are you fuking serious?
these ppl cant walk to the corner store for condoms?
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are you fuking serious?
these ppl cant walk to the corner store for condoms?
It's not free. That's the point.
Even in your poorest areas people have to pay to get to the planned parenthood locations to get them.
Then that's condoms. Prescription birth control is certainly an entirely different and harder to get item. Especially when broke.
None of that changes the fact that I would much rather pay for someone's prescription BC than to pay for a welfare baby.
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It's not free. That's the point.
Even in your poorest areas people have to pay to get to the planned parenthood locations to get them.
Then that's condoms. Prescription birth control is certainly an entirely different and harder to get item. Especially when broke.
None of that changes the fact that I would much rather pay for someone's prescription BC than to pay for a welfare baby.
LMFAO so they can afford smokes, drugs and alcohol but they cant afford contraception?
I understand your logic but you see it doesnt hold true b/c the price isnt whats prohibiting them from using contraception...
ITS THAT THEY SIMPLY DONT USE IT!!!
so the fact that you force somebody to pay for the option of them to use it wont help the problem youre trying to help!!!
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LMFAO so they can afford smokes, drugs and alcohol but they cant afford contraception?
I understand your logic but you see it doesnt hold true b/c the price isnt whats prohibiting them from using contraception...
ITS THAT THEY SIMPLY DONT USE IT!!!
so the fact that you force somebody to pay for the option of them to use it wont help the problem youre trying to help!!!
I'm not saying my ideal is perfect, but that's what it is... You got a better idea?
I'm trying to reduce welfare and what not... What's your plan?
Just simply eliminate it completely? You think that's realistic?