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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: SmoofCat on March 08, 2012, 10:05:54 AM
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Needed to make its own thread for the topic, since the masteron thread has somehow transitioned into an alcohol-narcotic and hormone thread:
Many troglodytes, the ones who give hormones a bad name, never realize. The Chris Benoits. The Titus type.
U don't think you too can be a monster? Try mixing 200 mg
Tren ace w OxyContin and some alcohol, maybe add in some cocaine. I mean who cares? You're blacked out at this point.
Tell me where u wake up, if u wake up at all. Psych ward, Icu or jail.
I've seen it all fellas. I'm 25 but I have seen the deaths in the sport. I see the walking dead which is worse. I see walking dead who post here too.
Narcotics + alcohol + hormones : morgue, hospital icu , psych ward or jail
Fuck losing a relationship like I hear so often on this site, "I lost my Girl because of the tren crazies". I'm talking about your life gone or changed permanently because of one night u will never remember.
So please be cautious . I Am so adamant in my warnings because too often hormones to hand in hand with opiate pain killers. U know the 5'9 270 8 percent gym rat dealer in every gym who is red in the face and he is the walking dead, and he sells tren ace and of course OxyContin. You all know what I mean. And I urge you all to be introspective and realize if u are slipping down a bad path. And do not rationalize. You can change at the beginning , but once u are not getting out of bed without your narcotics, doing TNT shot 1 hour before lifting with a line of oxy, this is when you are walking dead.
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I was into the pain killers for awhile. It happend when I was in my very early twenties. I was a dangerous person amped up on hormones, oxycotin, and on weekends I would get blacked out drunk. I got into quite a bit of trouble. Thank god I never ended up doing time or killing anyone. A total ticking time bomb with my health and with violence and all the other crap alcohol brings.
I won't even use tren now. I'm very careful about the things I do. I watch my blood pressure, I'm careful about what I eat. I barely drink anymore. I'm glad I got that very reckless phase of my life over early when my body could still bounce back from it.
Narcotics are the devil. If you're having problems you need to get help before it completely destroys your life. Get help from a doctor go to detox whatever you have to do.
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great post. This whole "lifestyle" is a slippery fucking slope. By taking steroids it removes that common sense gene when it comes to other harsher drugs.
People figure, fuck it, if I am taking test, let me try coke or something else. The steroids themselves give people a superhero complex. The fact you can go from zero to muscle hero in 16 weeks give people this idea that they are indestructable.
Truth is they are not.
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great post. This whole "lifestyle" is a slippery fucking slope. By taking steroids it removes that common sense gene when it comes to other harsher drugs.
People figure, fuck it, if I am taking test, let me try coke or something else. The steroids themselves give people a superhero complex. The fact you can go from zero to muscle hero in 16 weeks give people this idea that they are indestructable.
Truth is they are not.
That's exactly how I felt. Plus I was young 21-22 years old. I felt invincible. I ruined 2 years of my life though. I was a complete jackass all the time. I treated people like shit. I let my parents down. I was a danger to people. I feel ashamed when I look back at some of things I was doing.
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I was into the pain killers for awhile. It happend when I was in my very early twenties. I was a dangerous person amped up on hormones, oxycotin, and on weekends I would get blacked out drunk. I got into quite a bit of trouble. Thank god I never ended up doing time or killing anyone. A total ticking time bomb with my health and with violence and all the other crap alcohol brings.
I won't even use tren now. I'm very careful about the things I do. I watch my blood pressure, I'm careful about what I eat. I barely drink anymore. I'm glad I got that very reckless phase of my life over early when my body could still bounce back from it.
And as I said on the masteron thread, only the smart ones are introspective enough to realize.
The overwhelming majority of drug addicts - hormone and narcotic- never, ever realize. You can have an intervention on a drug addict, no hormones involved. But how do you get through to a Craig Titus? how do you get through to Benoit? For god sakes, noone could even get through to that zyzz character, and he was.. Well, I don't know the word for him.
All on narcotics and hormones. You can intervene on an addict w no hormones , but how do u intervene on superman? We all think we're superman on 100 mg tren ace 100 mg primo and god knows what else!
Only the smartest ones on hormones who have fallen into narcotics can get out.
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great post. This whole "lifestyle" is a slippery fucking slope. By taking steroids it removes that common sense gene when it comes to other harsher drugs.
People figure, fuck it, if I am taking test, let me try coke or something else. The steroids themselves give people a superhero complex. The fact you can go from zero to muscle hero in 16 weeks give people this idea that they are indestructable.
Truth is they are not.
And they hide it. And most deal to suppoort it. I have heard of the g4p thing, but i know not a
Fucking thing about it. It goes againsy the air i
Breathe. But how else do you support 500 dollar a day habit of narcotic and hormone?
3 options: born rich; g 4 p; deal drugs. And for some reason the born rich ones
Often fall into all 3 categories because narcotics
+ hormones ruins their brains, and they start acting manic; drug induced psychosis; axis I.
The dealers, reshippers, the ones who
Get their commissions from referrals and sell narcotics locally and pray on less knowledgable board members.
Get big has been a good environment. The best board on the planet. I just hope anyone who needs help gets it and knows there are members here who they can talk to, And I hope conversely that the predators on this board realize that this board had a higher collective IQ than any other.
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good to see a informative post explaining the potential problems with integrating too many compounds. rather tan a gh15 bullshit post for once. telling guys to get on everything and anything. we post like this to keep shit in perspective.
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good to see a informative post explaining the potential problems with integrating too many compounds. rather tan a gh15 bullshit post for once. telling guys to get on everything and anything. we post like this to keep shit in perspective.
U FUCKIN NUT. GH15 HAS SAID THIS EXACT THING BEFORE TOO.
AND I AGREE WITH IT.
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U FUCKIN NUT. GH15 HAS SAID THIS EXACT THING BEFORE TOO.
AND I AGREE WITH IT.
I thought he said Deer meat cures all
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Thankfully I've always been smart enough to realise that narcotics are NOT the way to go. Most I've done is some weed and some mushrooms. I considered MDMA at one point, but I'd much rather spend my money on more tren/anavar/masteron/other AAS than MDMA or even alcohol. Fuck that shit.
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I thought he said Deer meat cures all
dont forget pineapple juice
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what's TNT that i hear about so often?
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what's TNT that i hear about so often?
Test, NPP or Nandrolone, Tren ?
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alcohol is a shitty drug, not only that but it stresses th ehell out of the liver and i abuse orals too much so i rather refrain.
to me, i'll take anadrol any day of the week over alcohol.
weed, and certain amphetamines are great though :)
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Kinda sad to see that alchohol is legal when it destroyes so many lifes/families...
I myself drink perhaps 3-4 times a year, and when i do its very little.
aas>anything else
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Dude this shit sounds so fucking awesome! Lol so crazy I cant pass this shit up. Do you think I need to have someone with me on my first trip so I don't do something stupid lol
I did, my friend had tripped many times before so I kinda felt "safe" with him. Any time bad thoughts would pop up he'd tell me it's normal and to just think about other stuff. The mind is such an amazing thing. I remember I'd pinned my glutes two hours before I tripped and when I remembered that, I got a really sharp pain in my ass which lasted until I thought about something else!
Also, be sure to have a notepad there. I wrote shit like "I am twirling in space, like a beautiful ballerina." ;D ;D
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alcohol is a shitty drug, not only that but it stresses th ehell out of the liver and i abuse orals too much so i rather refrain.
to me, i'll take anadrol any day of the week over alcohol.
weed, and certain amphetamines are great though :)
Yeah amphetamines, the unspoken drug in the sport. We all do it, but rarely do u hear of it.
Because 5 iu gh before bed and you don't want to wake up and that clen really isn't doing it this morning, then you inject another 5 iu and you fall asleep in the shower.
Enter amphetamine
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what's TNT that i hear about so often?
Injected as a pre workout often 1-2
Hours
Before
Workout .
Top chef tnt really changed the game
For me . But it's not a year round drug and obviously you may be doublin up on certain compounds
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I wouldn't blame any of that shit on tren, tren at 80mg a day by itslef for a first run is mellow as fuck
don't drink, don't do drugs and you won't have any of those problems
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I wouldn't blame any of that shit on tren, tren at 80mg a day by itslef for a first run is mellow as fuck
don't drink, don't do drugs and you won't have any of those problems
Thank you, someone finally said it.
You can easily take 100mg of Tren-a a day, make it 150mg and you won't have any mental issues unless a few other factors are at play.
1. You already have mental issues.
2. You have a rec drug problem.
3. You are susceptible to the power of suggestion. --- this is this biggest one of all. If you read and hear about "Tren Trips" enough times it'll happen to you.
Reminds me of a guy I knew yrs ago who used to sell GNC vitamins to these teenagers at the gym and told them it was Dbol but they should be careful so that they didn't roid rage. A few wks later one of them told him they were all killing it in the gym and he felt like he was about to rip someone's head off....true story.
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Thank you, someone finally said it.
You can easily take 100mg of Tren-a a day, make it 150mg and you won't have any mental issues unless a few other factors are at play.
1. You already have mental issues.
2. You have a rec drug problem.
3. You are susceptible to the power of suggestion. --- this is this biggest one of all. If you read and hear about "Tren Trips" enough times it'll happen to you.
Reminds me of a guy I knew yrs ago who used to sell GNC vitamins to these teenagers at the gym and told them it was Dbol but they should be careful so that they didn't roid rage. A few wks later one of them told him they were all killing it in the gym and he felt like he was about to rip someone's head off....true story.
lol, i believe you, ive seen grape juice beeing given to 14year old kids and they would get drunk, the mind sure is an awesome thing
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lol, i believe you, ive seen grape juice beeing given to 14year old kids and they would get drunk, the mind sure is an awesome thing
Lol I remeber the first "ped" I ever tried were the brutal andro poppers back when I was 16. I war roid raging all over the place lol. I wanted to beleive so bad I was on steroids.
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Lol I remeber the first "ped" I ever tried were the brutal andro poppers back when I was 16. I war roid raging all over the place lol. I wanted to beleive so bad I was on steroids.
We're all more susceptible to suggestion when we're young, but when it comes to steroids it seems to creep into adulthood just as much. It's not surprising though, most have been conditioned to think "Roid Rage" is real, and with stories like Benoit it gives the idea possible validity....if you don't know any better. I mean come on, the guy was an oxy/coke head and who knows what else...of course he was insane.
Most guys who've used steroids for years on end, not all but most will tell you roid rage is a myth...there are exceptions but there's normally something else going on that should be considered. Even so, I truly believe if most guys would just sit back and relax when they start feeling "wired" or "raged" because of gear, sit back, relax and think about what you've actually put into your body. Recognize what it is, use a little logic and you'll probably start laughing at yourself at the idea that you were raging.
In most cases, the idea of roid rage is about as valid as water having the ability to make you drunk. It can't, no matter how bad you believe or want it to be.
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Guys, no post that promote or insinuate the promotion of rec drug use in any way. Please see amendments added to rules section if you have questions.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=144441.0
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Shrooms and tripping once in awhile are a totally different thing than being physically addicted to narcotics. Not being able to get out of bed in the morning without doing a line of something or injecting something is a terrible way to live life. Spending hundreds of dollars a day on a habit is completely different than using a hallucinogen a few times a year for recreational purposes.
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Shrooms and tripping once in awhile are a totally different thing than being physically addicted to narcotics. Not being able to get out of bed in the morning without doing a line of something or injecting something is a terrible way to live life. Spending hundreds of dollars a day on a habit is completely different than using a hallucinogen a few times a year for recreational purposes.
That very well may be true, but having them connected on a steroid board in any way that even insinuates a pro rec drug mentality is not a good thing and only perpetuates a stereotype that I am so sick of it literally gives me a headache.
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Tren doesn't make me angry, I guess I am weird.
I was prescribed oxycontin for a while, it made me feel great, and I came off it without issues.
I used to be addicted to cocaine, but I decided to stop one day when I looked at myself and realized
how big of a mess I was.
I haven't been into alcohol since college.... that is one thing that would make me act weird, black out, or do
things I normally wouldn't do. For some reason strong drugs don't make me behave that strangely, but
alcohol is one thing I can see myself losing control on.
I guess we are all wired differently.
I know that oxy has destroyed the lives of every person that I know that has started using it.
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That very well may be true, but having them connected on a steroid board in any way that even insinuates a pro rec drug mentality is not a good thing and only perpetuates a stereotype that I am so sick of it literally gives me a headache.
... what the... I made an anti rec drug
Thread and now people are here talking about using drugs in a good light...
It's not good. Respect your bodies and minds guys. U think mushrooms + tren ends well ? Ever seen "one flew
Over cuckoo nest"?
You can be your Own divine version of jack . But no here's Johnny, more
Like bucket list is how this story ends
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I don't think mushrooms actually affect your body, just your mind. I was on tren both times I did it, and both were good experiences. Just my 2 cents, do whatever you want to your body. I personally will NEVER do anything other than weed and mushrooms, and I haven't done those in months either.
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Tren doesn't make me angry, I guess I am weird.
I was prescribed oxycontin for a while, it made me feel great, and I came off it without issues.
I used to be addicted to cocaine, but I decided to stop one day when I looked at myself and realized
how big of a mess I was.
I haven't been into alcohol since college.... that is one thing that would make me act weird, black out, or do
things I normally wouldn't do. For some reason strong drugs don't make me behave that strangely, but
alcohol is one thing I can see myself losing control on.
I guess we are all wired differently.
I know that oxy has destroyed the lives of every person that I know that has started using it.
Know, you're not weird. Most people can use Tren or any steroid without any anger issues. Some people just think they can't...it's all in their head.
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Needed to make its own thread for the topic, since the masteron thread has somehow transitioned into an alcohol-narcotic and hormone thread:
Many troglodytes, the ones who give hormones a bad name, never realize. The Chris Benoits. The Titus type.
U don't think you too can be a monster? Try mixing 200 mg
Tren ace w OxyContin and some alcohol, maybe add in some cocaine. I mean who cares? You're blacked out at this point.
Tell me where u wake up, if u wake up at all. Psych ward, Icu or jail.
I've seen it all fellas. I'm 25 but I have seen the deaths in the sport. I see the walking dead which is worse. I see walking dead who post here too.
Narcotics + alcohol + hormones : morgue, hospital icu , psych ward or jail
Fuck losing a relationship like I hear so often on this site, "I lost my Girl because of the tren crazies". I'm talking about your life gone or changed permanently because of one night u will never remember.
So please be cautious . I Am so adamant in my warnings because too often hormones to hand in hand with opiate pain killers. U know the 5'9 270 8 percent gym rat dealer in every gym who is red in the face and he is the walking dead, and he sells tren ace and of course OxyContin. You all know what I mean. And I urge you all to be introspective and realize if u are slipping down a bad path. And do not rationalize. You can change at the beginning , but once u are not getting out of bed without your narcotics, doing TNT shot 1 hour before lifting with a line of oxy, this is when you are walking dead.
This is a very good topic you brought up smoof.
I've had drug and alcohol problems since I was in my early teens and only last year did I decide I had enough. It got to the point where I had to be taking something to feel normal.
I haven't touched a thing in like 6 months but I did start steroids as soon as I stopped everything else hoping this will be my new and only addiction. I know if I go back I'll be twice as fucked. I'm afraid to be one of those guys you mentioned ...I know I'm more than capable of becoming one of them.
Thank you for bringing this up.
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Great thread.
Rec drugs are not to be toyed with. I have used a lot of stuff in my past and don't recommend anyone use hard drugs for any reason. I used to think a Valium here and there wouldn't hurt, but today i realize that you need to fix the underlying problem rather than cover it up.
I've never had a drug problem, but i do have many friends and close relatives who do and it's painful to watch people throw their lives away for a quick high.
I fully back Arnold on the drug rules, as long as these threads stay informative i have no issue with discussing this subject.
This is indeed a touchy subject and I'm glad we have enough mature members around to provide people proper advice before they ruin their lives.
8)
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... what the... I made an anti rec drug
Thread and now people are here talking about using drugs in a good light...
It's not good. Respect your bodies and minds guys. U think mushrooms + tren ends well ? Ever seen "one flew
Over cuckoo nest"?
You can be your Own divine version of jack . But no here's Johnny, more
Like bucket list is how this story ends
mushrooms and tren ? have you ever tried mushrooms? they are just about the safest drug in terms of user behavior despite maybe weed and x.
you called your girl a troglodyte for thinking steroids were evil.
but your kinda being one with your feelings towards drugs.
out of curiosity.. do you think alcohol is a drug ? how about caffiene ?
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mushrooms and tren ? have you ever tried mushrooms? they are just about the safest drug in terms of user behavior despite maybe weed and x.
you called your girl a troglodyte for thinking steroids were evil.
but your kinda being one with your feelings towards drugs.
out of curiosity.. do you think alcohol is a drug ? how about caffiene ?
I don't think you can really put steroids in the same category of discussion. For that matter, I'm not even a fan of steroids being called drugs...because they're not drugs. By the definition of a drug they're not drugs.
How do we define drugs?
*Any substance used to treat a physical or mental condition and alters the body’s normal function
*Substances that affect the central nervous system causing a physical or mental addiction
Obviously steroids can be used to treat a condition, but they cannot alter the body's normal function nor affect the central nervous system in the above manner. Weed, X, mushrooms and alcohol....all tie in better to the definition of a drug far more than an anabolic steroid.
I know, I can already predict it....someone will say steroids do alter the body's normal function because you normally can't carry that much muscle mass. True, but that's not altering the body's normal function....all steroid do is enhance hormones and natural traits you already possess....that's it. If we break it down to its nuts and bolts that's really all there is to it.
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Needed to make its own thread for the topic, since the masteron thread has somehow transitioned into an alcohol-narcotic and hormone thread:
Many troglodytes, the ones who give hormones a bad name, never realize. The Chris Benoits. The Titus type.
U don't think you too can be a monster? Try mixing 200 mg
Tren ace w OxyContin and some alcohol, maybe add in some cocaine. I mean who cares? You're blacked out at this point.
Tell me where u wake up, if u wake up at all. Psych ward, Icu or jail.
I've seen it all fellas. I'm 25 but I have seen the deaths in the sport. I see the walking dead which is worse. I see walking dead who post here too.
Narcotics + alcohol + hormones : morgue, hospital icu , psych ward or jail
Fuck losing a relationship like I hear so often on this site, "I lost my Girl because of the tren crazies". I'm talking about your life gone or changed permanently because of one night u will never remember.
So please be cautious . I Am so adamant in my warnings because too often hormones to hand in hand with opiate pain killers. U know the 5'9 270 8 percent gym rat dealer in every gym who is red in the face and he is the walking dead, and he sells tren ace and of course OxyContin. You all know what I mean. And I urge you all to be introspective and realize if u are slipping down a bad path. And do not rationalize. You can change at the beginning , but once u are not getting out of bed without your narcotics, doing TNT shot 1 hour before lifting with a line of oxy, this is when you are walking dead.
Think you're post spoke to MANY on getbig, including me.
I almost shouted "amen!" after I was finished reading.
I've never been addicted but have partied at a professional level (this means I COULD HAVE CROAKED)
Mixing ANYTHING other then weed with anabolics is BAD for your HEALTH/MIND and FREEDOM.
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Bro's I have some personal exp. with all this stuff, and this time it's I who need some advice. I am talking to this girl who is on 5 percacets a day and does xanax and her family is super codependent and is a huge part of the problem. I really care about her, I have known her for 10 years and me and her sister were really close, she had a kid with my friend in 2001 and I adore them both, they are really good people considering their upbringing, small shithole indian res. type of scenario. I want to help this girl but I don't have much of a chance considering she is 500 miles away and I work 5 days a week with never 2 days off in a row to go see her. I might go see her taking a 4 day vaca from work to go up to her shithole town that she hates, away from my awesome town that she loved when she was here. What can I do to get her of that shit. I once took 30 hydro's in 40 hours, but I had a 4th degree scald on my hand it was a 9.5/10 for pain. I can't imagine taking that type of shot when I am just normal. How do you help someone. I feel like I would be trying to wrestle an angel out of the clutches of 100 demons in hell. I don't have any Idea what I'm going to do. Please help me out what can I say or do to get her off that shit?
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Recovered alcoholic and drug abuser here............it`s great to be clean and sober...........wasted 33 years of my life drinking and abusing every drug imaginable.
It`s a lot of fun for a little while until it takes over every facet of your life,and your life becomes a fucking nightmare.
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Yeah amphetamines, the unspoken drug in the sport. We all do it, but rarely do u hear of it.
Because 5 iu gh before bed and you don't want to wake up and that clen really isn't doing it this morning, then you inject another 5 iu and you fall asleep in the shower.
Enter amphetamine
I don't. I go back to sleep!
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mushrooms and tren ? have you ever tried mushrooms? they are just about the safest drug in terms of user behavior despite maybe weed and x.
you called your girl a troglodyte for thinking steroids were evil.
but your kinda being one with your feelings towards drugs.
out of curiosity.. do you think alcohol is a drug ? how about caffiene ?
Tbombz calm down. I used troglodyte for purposes of humor and get the fuck out of here with those 2 questions.
Saw my best friend die this past summer from mixing 200mg tren ace w the smallest amount of cocaine the night before. He died in the gym bathroom after we had a heavy leg session. On the floor of the bathroom staal, dead.
Another of my friends died under one month later from almost the same
Combo and he used to drink.
They both had supplement contracts, and invites to nationals. Why do u argue with me t bombs about a subject like this?
If you like to mix drugs and alcohol w your small hormone stack be my guest. And
Frankly if you can't see that my message was positive, a message of hope
In this sport which has so much darkness in it, then something really is not clicking in your head
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Tbombz calm down. I used troglodyte for purposes of humor and get the fuck out of here with those 2 questions.
Saw my best friend die this past summer from mixing 200mg tren ace w the smallest amount of cocaine the night before. He died in the gym bathroom after we had a heavy leg session. On the floor of the bathroom staal, dead.
Another of my friends died under one month later from almost the same
Combo and he used to drink.
They both had supplement contracts, and invites to nationals. Why do u argue with me t bombs about a subject like this?
If you like to mix drugs and alcohol w your small hormone stack be my guest. And
Frankly if you can't see that my message was positive, a message of hope
In this sport which has so much darkness in it, then something really is not clicking in your head
Damn they both had heart attacks? If you don't mind could you explained what actually happend. I'm sorry to hear that man.
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Damn they both had heart attacks? If you don't mind could you explained what actually happend. I'm sorry to hear that man.
One was on 200 mg tren ace daily along w some clen every morning, he was taking a 2 month break from GH for a major photo shoot (would have seen this kid on tv al
Last every other commercial break by now of he had done this). The local fame and the modeling contract got to his head along w the whores and money it came with. He starts partying , at first just a bit. He is massive, 6'1", 235 lb and 6 percent at highest. Slowly his physique gets smaller, more like a model And the partying starts to catch up. This was July 4th when I really noticed he had lost 10 lbs and something was wrong.
By August. 1st the guy who was benching 315 on incline for 12 reps and used to never let anyOne spot him was now doing 225 and struggling to get 15. He was a shell of his former self and one day while on the elliptical his Nose just started bleeding out of nowhere.
It was later that week that we went to the gym, and he told me he did "one bump" of cocaine the night before. He was strong in the workout, had just upped his tren to 200 mg. I showered and got out, went to take a piss and noticed his foot under the stall. He wore these black converse low tops and his feet were size 13 or something so I knew it was him. Stall was locked, so I just looked under and blood was coming for
His ear and nostril. No pulse.
Paramedics found an 8 ball of cocaine in his locker along w unidentified pills, which they assumed were narcotics, but I knew were halo.
This happens all the time . Narcotics will fucking kill you if you are on hormones . Or u end up in psych ward or icu or jail then prison w a black mask over your head like Titus every time u are moved from your cell.
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One was on 200 mg tren ace daily along w some clen every morning, he was taking a 2 month break from GH for a major photo shoot (would have seen this kid on tv al
Last every other commercial break by now of he had done this). The local fame and the modeling contract got to his head along w the whores and money it came with. He starts partying , at first just a bit. He is massive, 6'1", 235 lb and 6 percent at highest. Slowly his physique gets smaller, more like a model And the partying starts to catch up. This was July 4th when I really noticed he had lost 10 lbs and something was wrong.
By August. 1st the guy who was benching 315 on incline for 12 reps and used to never let anyOne spot him was now doing 225 and struggling to get 15. He was a shell of his former self and one day while on the elliptical his Nose just started bleeding out of nowhere.
It was later that week that we went to the gym, and he told me he did "one bump" of cocaine the night before. He was strong in the workout, had just upped his tren to 200 mg. I showered and got out, went to take a piss and noticed his foot under the stall. He wore these black converse low tops and his feet were size 13 or something so I knew it was him. Stall was locked, so I just looked under and blood was coming for
His ear and nostril. No pulse.
Paramedics found an 8 ball of cocaine in his locker along w unidentified pills, which they assumed were narcotics, but I knew were halo.
This happens all the time . Narcotics will fucking kill you if you are on hormones . Or u end up in psych ward or icu or jail then prison w a black mask over your head like Titus every time u are moved from your cell.
Please repeat please read this post. Then read it slowly again.
Young dum-dums, MIXING NARCOS with ANABOLICS and BOOZE/BEER can KILL YOU.
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Bro's I have some personal exp. with all this stuff, and this time it's I who need some advice. I am talking to this girl who is on 5 percacets a day and does xanax and her family is super codependent and is a huge part of the problem. I really care about her, I have known her for 10 years and me and her sister were really close, she had a kid with my friend in 2001 and I adore them both, they are really good people considering their upbringing, small shithole indian res. type of scenario. I want to help this girl but I don't have much of a chance considering she is 500 miles away and I work 5 days a week with never 2 days off in a row to go see her. I might go see her taking a 4 day vaca from work to go up to her shithole town that she hates, away from my awesome town that she loved when she was here. What can I do to get her of that shit. I once took 30 hydro's in 40 hours, but I had a 4th degree scald on my hand it was a 9.5/10 for pain. I can't imagine taking that type of shot when I am just normal. How do you help someone. I feel like I would be trying to wrestle an angel out of the clutches of 100 demons in hell. I don't have any Idea what I'm going to do. Please help me out what can I say or do to get her off that shit?
Its very noble of you in trying to help your friend out but the truth is that the person themselves has got to want to stop their drug use. Its not until people experience the negative impact the drugs take on their lives that they realize that they should stop. When they wanna stop but they can't is when they will need you to be there the most.
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Its very noble of you in trying to help your friend out but the truth is that the person themselves has got to want to stop their drug use. Its not until people experience the negative impact the drugs take on their lives that they realize that they should stop. When they wanna stop but they can't is when they will need you to be there the most.
Problem is hormones give many superman complex, especially on one drug ... Tren ace.
And opiate pain killers take away your moral compass. They also make you crazy; drug induced psychosis, otherwise known as drug induced psychotic disorder; axis I.
Give superman drug induced psychosis and we all know what comes next.
Some can smoke marijuana. I don't suggest it, but I hve seen some good, high level bodybuilders smoke marijuana to alleviate hormone sides, and they are still ok at the end of the day.
But the party stops there. Even Arnold stopped drinking beer and smoking weed in the early 70s because he realized he was edging on 260 and we all know what happened next, after he got on parabolan and dropped the beer (Arnold used to drink a lot of beer early on in his early early 20s when he was over 250).
But that is talking about aesthetics!
I am talking about your life. And Arnold was the smartest bb of all time. He could handle a little beer. Could he handle narcotics? No.
Mushrooms? Lol. What the fuck is mushrooms. My friends and I spoke of mushrooms in 8th grade, this is honestly the first time I have heard the mention of mushrooms in 13 years. That stuff is not healthy even if it won't kill you.
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One was on 200 mg tren ace daily along w some clen every morning, he was taking a 2 month break from GH for a major photo shoot (would have seen this kid on tv al
Last every other commercial break by now of he had done this). The local fame and the modeling contract got to his head along w the whores and money it came with. He starts partying , at first just a bit. He is massive, 6'1", 235 lb and 6 percent at highest. Slowly his physique gets smaller, more like a model And the partying starts to catch up. This was July 4th when I really noticed he had lost 10 lbs and something was wrong.
By August. 1st the guy who was benching 315 on incline for 12 reps and used to never let anyOne spot him was now doing 225 and struggling to get 15. He was a shell of his former self and one day while on the elliptical his Nose just started bleeding out of nowhere.
It was later that week that we went to the gym, and he told me he did "one bump" of cocaine the night before. He was strong in the workout, had just upped his tren to 200 mg. I showered and got out, went to take a piss and noticed his foot under the stall. He wore these black converse low tops and his feet were size 13 or something so I knew it was him. Stall was locked, so I just looked under and blood was coming for
His ear and nostril. No pulse.
Paramedics found an 8 ball of cocaine in his locker along w unidentified pills, which they assumed were narcotics, but I knew were halo.
This happens all the time . Narcotics will fucking kill you if you are on hormones . Or u end up in psych ward or icu or jail then prison w a black mask over your head like Titus every time u are moved from your cell.
Goddamn man :-[
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Mushrooms? Lol. What the fuck is mushrooms. My friends and I spoke of mushrooms in 8th grade, this is honestly the first time I have heard the mention of mushrooms in 13 years. That stuff is not healthy even if it won't kill you.
Exactly that shit is fun when you're in highschool. Once you get to a certain age I don't see the point in fooling with any of that anymore.
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Problem is hormones give many superman complex, especially on one drug ... Tren ace.
And opiate pain killers take away your moral compass. They also make you crazy; drug induced psychosis, otherwise known as drug induced psychotic disorder; axis I.
Give superman drug induced psychosis and we all know what comes next.
Some can smoke marijuana. I don't suggest it, but I hve seen some good, high level bodybuilders smoke marijuana to alleviate hormone sides, and they are still ok at the end of the day.
But the party stops there. Even Arnold stopped drinking beer and smoking weed in the early 70s because he realized he was edging on 260 and we all know what happened next, after he got on parabolan and dropped the beer (Arnold used to drink a lot of beer early on in his early early 20s when he was over 250).
But that is talking about aesthetics!
I am talking about your life. And Arnold was the smartest bb of all time. He could handle a little beer. Could he handle narcotics? No.
Mushrooms? Lol. What the fuck is mushrooms. My friends and I spoke of mushrooms in 8th grade, this is honestly the first time I have heard the mention of mushrooms in 13 years. That stuff is not healthy even if it won't kill you.
No disagreement here but my response was to stacked's friend regarding opiate and benzo use solely.
But I'm sure someone is less likely to wanna quit certain drugs/narcotics when they're already feeling invincible from the hormone use. You're on top of the world so why the hell would you listen to anyone's advice??...you feel like you're above everyone even god himself and the delusions drugs can add only multiply this effect.
Fuck that!
Plus the strain on your body......no way.
Just say no kids lol
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Lol, you don't smoke mushrooms, you eat them. They have no actual effect on your body, it's all on the mind! I 100% agree with the rest of your posts, though.
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Lol, you don't smoke mushrooms, you eat them. They have no actual effect on your body, it's all on the mind! I 100% agree with the rest of your posts, though.
I've done them plenty of times but just remember that the mind can have a great effect on the body. I never had a bad trip but my buddy thought he was gonna have a heart attack once...lol. Was most likely just a panic attack.
That psylocin and psylocybin is a poison bro...they grow on cow shit and fungus lol
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Lol, you don't smoke mushrooms, you eat them. They have no actual effect on your body, it's all on the mind! I 100% agree with the rest of your posts, though.
I Don't know anything about mushrooms I have never spoken to anyone about them in 13 years I have only met one person who takes mushroom and acid and drugs like that and he is 6 foot 135, 26 year old now lives with grandma. I actually dont care how u take mushroom acid or whatever , smoke or inject, I don't care it Is the kind of thing I know nothing about for a reason, I have no interest in drugs especially weird shit like this. I would rather fuck a 250 pound Girl that has the face of slin pimp than use a psycho delic.
Why would anyone want to take these , I just googled it. It sounds weird and shit like that doesn't sound like it goes well w heavy hormones sorry fellas I dont think you want a "bad trip" on 100 mg tren ace daily . That's playin w fire. Maybe not physically dangerous if you say so but this is playing w fire. Child's play really.
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this thread has really taken a turn for the worse. wanting to keep discussion of drugs not related to bodybuilding off this board is perfectly understandable, but all this misinformation and fear mongering about those other drugs is not.
smoof, sorry to hear about your friends. not sure why you wont answer my question about whether you think alcohol and caffiene are drugs though.
i wont even get into the kind of shit i have done and still do in regards to rec drugs, both by themselves and mixed with hormones.
lets just say that the human body is extremely resilient and can handle a whole lot more than any textbook would ever give it credit for.
with that being said, certain drugs like cocaine and crystal meth are far more dangerous than other drugs that have basically zero potential for physiological harm like mushrooms and marijuana.
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and smoof, you really seem caught up on the idea of roid rage. thats one of the biggest reasons why roids have such a negative stigma and its also one of the biggest half truths/lies about roids as well.
if tren makes you act wrong, thats on you. most people act perfectly fine on most drugs. i know for myself personally it doesnt matter how many mg's of tren or test or whatever i take, its not going to change my personality.
you know what they say " if your an asshole roids will make you a bigger asshole" ..otherwise you should be just fine
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and smoof, you really seem caught up on the idea of roid rage. thats one of the biggest reasons why roids have such a negative stigma and its also one of the biggest half truths/lies about roids as well.
if tren makes you act wrong, thats on you. most people act perfectly fine on most drugs. i know for myself personally it doesnt matter how many mg's of tren or test or whatever i take, its not going to change my personality.
you know what they say " if your an asshole roids will make you a bigger asshole" ..otherwise you should be just fine
Very much agree with the roid rage comments. There's no steroid that can alter your personality or bring out something that's not already there.
Big cycles, small cycle or no cycles....I was always the same person with the same thoughts and actions regardless.
As for rec drugs, obviously this changes things, especially opiates, coke, X and things of that nature. As for mushrooms, I really don't know anything about them. Weed, never cared for it, tried it when I was young but that was it....I was 19 or so the last time....never was my thing. It does seem to have an effect on people's personalities though...obviously not in a rage sense but it does seem to alter the way people deal and handle with things...at least people I've seen.
Last thing....alcohol, definitely a drug in every possible definition of a drug. Caffeine as well but not nearly to the extent of alcohol.
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If steroids do not alter your mood than consider yourself lucky just like those who don't get gyno, acne, hair loss, high bp etc. Some people must be predisposed to issues with increased anger/agression, you can't just discredit this because you personally do not experience this.
Obviously theres a difference in feeling extra irritable/agressive and then actually acting on it. You should be able to control yourself and its a lot easier to do so when you're not on other mind altering substances.
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and smoof, you really seem caught up on the idea of roid rage. thats one of the biggest reasons why roids have such a negative stigma and its also one of the biggest half truths/lies about roids as well.
if tren makes you act wrong, thats on you. most people act perfectly fine on most drugs. i know for myself personally it doesnt matter how many mg's of tren or test or whatever i take, its not going to change my personality.
you know what they say " if your an asshole roids will make you a bigger asshole" ..otherwise you should be just fine
No I do not believe in roid rage.
I do however believe that mixing narcotics / alcohol and hormones leads to disaster.
And fuck your caffeine question t bombz. You think i don't see where you're going with this? Read the above statement, that is my message. I'm not here spreading misinformation. I said I know Nothing about psychedelics.
But I do know about narcotics. And I know about hormones. And I know the two don't mix and can lead to disaster, including alcohol.
The real fucking question is why do you have such a beef w this thread that has such a positive message? Fuck is your issue ? For real what the fuck is your issue bombz ?
I didn't make this thread about drugs like weed and mushrooms . Others brought that shit up. Let me repeat. hormones + narcotics / alcohol: big fucking problem
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If steroids do not alter your mood than consider yourself lucky just like those who don't get gyno, acne, hair loss, high bp etc. Some people must be predisposed to issues with increased anger/agression, you can't just discredit this because you personally do not experience this.
Obviously theres a difference in feeling extra irritable/agressive and then actually acting on it. You should be able to control yourself and its a lot easier to do so when you're not on other mind altering substances.
Yes, some steroids can increase aggression, but aggression in of itself is not a bad thing. What we do with it is what makes it right or wrong. With that in mind, there is no steroid that has the ability to alter our perception of right and wrong, take away our freewill or cause us to act in a way that we would not otherwise.
There's a difference in aggression and mind-altering, and every study on the mind-altering effects of steroids has shown such effects are so small that they cannot be measured if they exist at all.
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anger and aggression are controllable unless youve got an actual neurological disorder that causes uncontrollable outbreaks.
one chooses how they behave. on drugs and off drugs. you always make a conscience choice.
saying "oh its just my personality" or "oh its the combination of drugs im on causing me to act this way" or "the alcohol made me say it" are all cop outs.
smoof, i dont have a beef with your original post. i dont really have "beef", at all, ever. just not me dude. i do however voice my opinion when i think people are spreading misinformation and/or negativity. in this case negativity and misinformation towards drugs. absolutely we should all be cautious.
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anger and aggression are controllable unless youve got an actual neurological disorder that causes uncontrollable outbreaks.
one chooses how they behave. on drugs and off drugs. you always make a conscience choice.
saying "oh its just my personality" or "oh its the combination of drugs im on causing me to act this way" or "the alcohol made me say it" are all cop outs.
smoof, i dont have a beef with your original post. i dont really have "beef", at all, ever. just not me dude. i do however voice my opinion when i think people are spreading misinformation and/or negativity. in this case negativity and misinformation towards drugs. absolutely we should all be cautious.
You are able to make a conscious choice when you're actually aware of what you're doing. Anyone whos ever drank TOO MUCH has done something stupid that they regret. It lowers inhibitions and makes you do things you would not normally do when sober. Don't know where you're getting your information from but its not real life.
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its still comes down to a choice.
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You are able to make a conscious choice when you're actually aware of what you're doing. Anyone whos ever drank TOO MUCH has done something stupid that they regret. It lowers inhibitions and makes you do things you would not normally do when sober. Don't know where you're getting your information from but its not real life.
Yes,they alter your personality....ie. mind altering substances.
tbomz is dead wrong if he disagrees with this IMO.
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its still comes down to a choice.
I choose to belive that you are a lazy, extremely immature, spoiled, delusional know it all who in reality knows NOTHING. NOTHING.
You will be paying the price my man.
The price could be jail, your health, and yes, your sanity. The drivel you post proves thats already happening.
Oh forgot to add that you pose questions that are not related to the original post. It's you're lame attempt at appearing savvy.
Keep combining booze and hard narcotics with your anabolics tuff guy. No worries eh? Remember you said the human body is resilant organism.
We shall see...
Oh and ya post pics of yourself in FILTHY underware. ON THE INTERNET. That's sane. ::)
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Yes,they alter your personality....ie. mind altering substances.
tbomz is dead wrong if he disagrees with this IMO.
depends on how you define those terms your using
we always have a choice in how we behave
too often people use drugs as an excuse for their actions
now, that being said, before you judge a persons actions, you have to know exactly what they were thinking and what their intentions were when they behaved that way.
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depends on how you define those terms your using
we always have a choice in how we behave
too often people use drugs as an excuse for their actions
now, that being said, before you judge a persons actions, you have to know exactly what they were thinking and what their intentions were when they behaved that way.
Dude,when I was drunk,I was a friggin` lunatic.........nothing like I would be if sober............choice goes out the window when your thinking has become impaired,and rational thought is unheard of depending on how high or drunk a person gets..
I honestly don`t see how you can`t grasp this. ???
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Dude,when I was drunk,I was a friggin` lunatic.........nothing like I would be if sober............choice goes out the window when your thinking has become impaired,and rational thought is unheard of depending on how high or drunk a person gets..
I honestly don`t see how you can`t grasp this. ???
Same here man. I'm a quite polite well mannered guy when I'm sober. When I get drunk I turn into an animal. Most of the time I'm a blast to be around but anytime I've ever done something really fucked up, dangerous, immature, destructive was because of alcohol. I'm pretty she we all have our stories.
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Same here man. I'm a quite polite well mannered guy when I'm sober. When I get drunk I turn into an animal. Most of the time I'm a blast to be around but anytime I've ever done something really fucked up, dangerous, immature, destructive was because of alcohol. I'm pretty she we all have our stories.
I`m trying to forget all my stories bro,they even scare me at times thinking about them now that I`m sober.
I was fucking insane! :D
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I don't. I go back to sleep!
today, well, yeah it's still barely friday. i slept for 12 hours in the morning and then woke up for 5 hours only to go back to sleep for another 8 hours, hah!
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Yes,they alter your personality....ie. mind altering substances.
tbomz is dead wrong if he disagrees with this IMO.
Some people just love to argue even though deep down they know they're wrong...but they just keep going and going lol
btw I'm trying to forget all my stories too lol
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Narcotics are fucking stupid to abuse anyway. I was addicted to morphine for over a year and kicking it was the best thing I ever did. Most people addicted are in deep, deep denial. It usually goes something like this:
"oh I just take a few co-codamol to get to sleep, it's no big deal"
"oh I need to take more than 8 now to get to sleep because of my tolerance, it's OK though I just put them through a cold water extraction and filter it to save my liver"
"I pop a few vicodin now and then, it's pretty much the same as codeine so I don't see the problem, plus I need to take less"
"I sniff oxys at the weekends now, I hate taking all those pills!"
"Did oxys 6 days in a row but felt odd on sunday without them, not addicted though I only use them recreationally!"
"Sure I take them daily so I don't get sick but it's not as if I'm slamming heroin haha"
"Sniffed some H today, it's pretty much an identical chemical to codeine anyway and oxys are so fucking expensive"
"I'm only going to do a couple bags a few days a week"
"yeah I sniff heroin daily just to feel normal but it aint so bad, it's just like oxy nothing wrong with sniffing opiates"
"Let my mate boot me up today, I wanted to try it but don't know how to shoot myself up without him and just wanted to try it"
"Sometimes I shoot it when I'm around company but I sniff the rest of the time"
"Hardly got any left... decided to shoot it as I need far less, no point in wasting it"
"so what if im a dope feen"
FINAL STEP
COME BACK TO INTERNET FORUMS, WARN OTHER POSTERS OF WHAT NOT TO DO. LISTEN TO THEM REPEAT HOW THEY ONLY DO IT FOR FUN, OR TO SLEEP, AND TOTALLY HAVE CONTROL, DON'T WORRY
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Some people just love to argue even though deep down they know they're wrong...but they just keep going and going lol
btw I'm trying to forget all my stories too lol
I hear ya` dude! ;)
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good to see a informative post explaining the potential problems with integrating too many compounds. rather tan a gh15 bullshit post for once. telling guys to get on everything and anything. we post like this to keep shit in perspective.
gh15 said sometehing very similar, in his comprehensible,,,gh15speak,, languag.
Its funny how steroids completely change your mentality. You can look like a bloated sack of shit but on the inside, in your head you think you look like god personified.
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I wouldn't put any stock on AAS doing much to contribute to a heart attack, anyone who has a ball of yay did at least a gram the night before. Shit I did coke many times from 15 to 21, and meth about 15 to 20 times. I scored 2 goals by halftime in a soccer game when I was 15, and I had to take myslef out of the game, which I would never ever do, but I was about to have a heart attack. Then the last time I did coke at 21, which was 8 years ago, I barely did any and I almost had a heart attack. That shit is not good for your heart. Then you do too much and 30 minutes later your dead.
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great post. This whole "lifestyle" is a slippery fucking slope. By taking steroids it removes that common sense gene when it comes to other harsher drugs.
People figure, fuck it, if I am taking test, let me try coke or something else. The steroids themselves give people a superhero complex. The fact you can go from zero to muscle hero in 16 weeks give people this idea that they are indestructable.
Truth is they are not.
i can't agree. i don't see how someone can even consider taking rec drugs that is serious about getting bigger...or anyone for that matter. these are 2 different lifestyles. i have never even smoked mariujana let alone use oxy's. to me its a weak minded person that does these sorts of drugs
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i can't agree. i don't see how someone can even consider taking rec drugs that is serious about getting bigger...or anyone for that matter. these are 2 different lifestyles. i have never even smoked mariujana let alone use oxy's. to me its a weak minded person that does these sorts of drugs
I agree, if you're serious about BB and fitness, why would you even go out and party, drink and do drugs?
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I wouldn't put any stock on AAS doing much to contribute to a heart attack, anyone who has a ball of yay did at least a gram the night before. Shit I did coke many times from 15 to 21, and meth about 15 to 20 times. I scored 2 goals by halftime in a soccer game when I was 15, and I had to take myslef out of the game, which I would never ever do, but I was about to have a heart attack. Then the last time I did coke at 21, which was 8 years ago, I barely did any and I almost had a heart attack. That shit is not good for your heart. Then you do too much and 30 minutes later your dead.
Mix it with alcohol and you create cocaethylene in your system which is more cardiotoxic than either substance alone. And who knows what happens when you're already on numerous steroids since its something that hasn't been studied but I think we can assume it will add tremendous strain on your organs.
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im 27 now and used to party pretty heavy when i was 20-23, alot of booze, aas, throw x in there, coke a few times (cause this girl i wasd seeing was heavy into it), schrooms once when i was 20 and liked it lol but I do smoke weed little everyday and i like that. calms me down after a long day at work. I drink now maybe once every 3-4 months and def not the way I used to.
adderall was huge for me for a period of time, not sure how bad it is for you but woudl pop a 3 of those every wkend while drinking but would make friends and never a bda thing to say lol def put me in the best mood ever but stopped that cold turkey cause it wasd getting to a point I wanted it everyday so had to say no.
I feel now with aas, im not goig to take that extra risk with other drugs, Ill stick with my smoke but thats it. I get blood tests few times a year to make sure everything is working properly and try and be as healthy as possible
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I always see people mention how recs interfere with BB'ing goals.
I totally agree when it comes to alcohol(staying out all night, eating crap while drunk, etc)
and things like coke(don't eat or sleep), but I don't understand why painkillers are always
brought into that discussion.
Tons of bodybuilders use them, and it doesn't hurt their progress.
One of the biggest guys I know has had multiple surgeries from a serious motorcycle
accident, and takes tons of prescribed oxy's each day.... if anything, it actually
helps him make progress, he trains like an animal (I suspect not feeling any pain
can really help a guy train hard).
Obviously getting seriously addicted to them and acting like a fiend is not going to
be good for anyone and is not going to be good for making bodybuilding progress.
However, in the case of people being prescribed a large amount each month who don't
have to worry about 'scoring more dope', I don't see it screwing up progress at all.
Isn't a moderator on this very forum a heavy user of oxy? I saw him post pictures of his
oxy bottles about a hundred times.
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Dude,when I was drunk,I was a friggin` lunatic.........nothing like I would be if sober............choice goes out the window when your thinking has become impaired,and rational thought is unheard of depending on how high or drunk a person gets..
I honestly don`t see how you can`t grasp this. ???
Same here man. I'm a quite polite well mannered guy when I'm sober. When I get drunk I turn into an animal. Most of the time I'm a blast to be around but anytime I've ever done something really fucked up, dangerous, immature, destructive was because of alcohol. I'm pretty she we all have our stories.
i have no doubt you two behaved abnormally when intoxicated. did and said things you normally wouldnt have. as most people do when intoxicated. but heres the thing = you still chose to act that. no matter how intoxicated you are you can always decide to control yourself. also, most people get intoxicated knowing it is going to lower their inhibitions and change their behavior. they welcome it. they are getting intoxicated so they can be comfortable with and rationalize that behavior they normally refrain from. guys who get drunk and get in fights, they know theyre probly going to get into a fight when they get durnk and once druk they are looking for that open door to confrontation.
its always a choice. dont try to blame anyone or anything but yourself for your actions.
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i have no doubt you two behaved abnormally when intoxicated. did and said things you normally wouldnt have. as most people do when intoxicated. but heres the thing = you still chose to act that. no matter how intoxicated you are you can always decide to control yourself. also, most people get intoxicated knowing it is going to lower their inhibitions and change their behavior. they welcome it. they are getting intoxicated so they can be comfortable with and rationalize that behavior they normally refrain from. guys who get drunk and get in fights, they know theyre probly going to get into a fight when they get durnk and once druk they are looking for that open door to confrontation.
its always a choice. dont try to blame anyone or anything but yourself for your actions.
If you can find anywhere in any of my posts where I blame anyone but myself for my actions,I`ll be amazed.......amazed almost as much as I am at your stupid post! ;D
Of course I picked up the drink and drank it,never said I didn`t and this was my choice,but you still missed my point.
Most drunks and addicts drink or drug because of many psychological factors,and there are many catalysts and circumstances that some people can`t handle mentally,so they turn to booze and drugs to escape reality.
Nobody initially sets out with a master plan to become a total bum,drunk, or junkie................GE EZUS!!
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I always see people mention how recs interfere with BB'ing goals.
I totally agree when it comes to alcohol(staying out all night, eating crap while drunk, etc)
and things like coke(don't eat or sleep), but I don't understand why painkillers are always
brought into that discussion.
Tons of bodybuilders use them, and it doesn't hurt their progress.
One of the biggest guys I know has had multiple surgeries from a serious motorcycle
accident, and takes tons of prescribed oxy's each day.... if anything, it actually
helps him make progress, he trains like an animal (I suspect not feeling any pain
can really help a guy train hard).
Obviously getting seriously addicted to them and acting like a fiend is not going to
be good for anyone and is not going to be good for making bodybuilding progress.
However, in the case of people being prescribed a large amount each month who don't
have to worry about 'scoring more dope', I don't see it screwing up progress at all.
Isn't a moderator on this very forum a heavy user of oxy? I saw him post pictures of his
oxy bottles about a hundred times.
Interesting post. I'm pretty sure they're hard on the liver and kidneys I'm not sure how bad though. People who get scripts every month build up severe tolerances. I think that's one of the problems.
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I always see people mention how recs interfere with BB'ing goals.
I totally agree when it comes to alcohol(staying out all night, eating crap while drunk, etc)
and things like coke(don't eat or sleep), but I don't understand why painkillers are always
brought into that discussion.
Tons of bodybuilders use them, and it doesn't hurt their progress.
One of the biggest guys I know has had multiple surgeries from a serious motorcycle
accident, and takes tons of prescribed oxy's each day.... if anything, it actually
helps him make progress, he trains like an animal (I suspect not feeling any pain
can really help a guy train hard).
Obviously getting seriously addicted to them and acting like a fiend is not going to
be good for anyone and is not going to be good for making bodybuilding progress.
However, in the case of people being prescribed a large amount each month who don't
have to worry about 'scoring more dope', I don't see it screwing up progress at all.
Isn't a moderator on this very forum a heavy user of oxy? I saw him post pictures of his
oxy bottles about a hundred times.
Dude, oxy's are pretty much heroin made by a pharmaceutical company..they are the worst ever..your friend doesnt have any problems but ask him to stop taking them..he will actually die or end up in hospital..its the most addictive drug..ive seen plenty of friends starting to use them and get addicted to them, even smoking them, and they are fucked they cant stop, they get so fkn skinny and look like a total mess
If he's taking tons of oxys like u said, he's a drug addict, period
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Roid rage is not a myth is real. But only the androgenic stuff i guess.
For instance on test alone i'm the same but if i use proviron in the mix i became a serious asshole.
Deca, primo, eq, winstrol causes me no mental issues also. Dufine makes me a little reactive.
The worst thing for me is tribulus: i get TOTALLY insane on it, better lock me up, i lose control on my thoughts/actions completely.
I drink a couple of bears a day or some wine, usually at larger meals. More on the summer, less on the winter with no mood change whatsoever. Even when i drink a lot more just makes me laugh ;D.
Never tried those other drugs.
A close friend of mine also get's crazy and edgy on anapolon or dianabol. I know a cop that get's edgy on deca but i guess it a sugestive induced situation.
Of course some guys suffer more of these sides than others, like everything else.
Nice thread.
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Roid rage is not a myth is real. But only the androgenic stuff i guess.
For instance on test alone i'm the same but if i use proviron in the mix i became a serious asshole.
Deca, primo, eq, winstrol causes me no mental issues also. Dufine makes me a little reactive.
The worst thing for me is tribulus: i get TOTALLY insane on it, better lock me up, i lose control on my thoughts/actions completely.
I drink a couple of bears a day or some wine, usually at larger meals. More on the summer, less on the winter with no mood change whatsoever. Even when i drink a lot more just makes me laugh ;D.
Never tried those other drugs.
A close friend of mine also get's crazy and edgy on anapolon or dianabol. I know a cop that get's edgy on deca but i guess it a sugestive induced situation.
Of course some guys suffer more of these sides than others, like everything else.
Nice thread.
this proves that roid rage is a myth.
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I got AIDS from sharing my tribulus needles and my family disowned me after I stole money for my trib habit
not even once
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I got AIDS from sharing my tribulus needles and my family disowned me after I stole money for my trib habit
not even once
lmfao
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Roid rage is not a myth is real. But only the androgenic stuff i guess.
For instance on test alone i'm the same but if i use proviron in the mix i became a serious asshole.
Deca, primo, eq, winstrol causes me no mental issues also. Dufine makes me a little reactive.
The worst thing for me is tribulus: i get TOTALLY insane on it, better lock me up, i lose control on my thoughts/actions completely.
I drink a couple of bears a day or some wine, usually at larger meals. More on the summer, less on the winter with no mood change whatsoever. Even when i drink a lot more just makes me laugh ;D.
Never tried those other drugs.
A close friend of mine also get's crazy and edgy on anapolon or dianabol. I know a cop that get's edgy on deca but i guess it a sugestive induced situation.
Of course some guys suffer more of these sides than others, like everything else.
Nice thread.
So androgens cause you to have roid rage, yet the primary androgen, testosterone, the main, primary androgen doesn't cause you to have roid rage? See a problem in your comment?
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So androgens cause you to have roid rage, yet the primary androgen, testosterone, the main, primary androgen doesn't cause you to have roid rage? See a problem in your comment?
Well, he got roid rage from Tribulus. ::) ::) ::)
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I got AIDS from sharing my tribulus needles and my family disowned me after I stole money for my trib habit
not even once
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL! Great post hahahahahahaha!
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So androgens cause you to have roid rage, yet the primary androgen, testosterone, the main, primary androgen doesn't cause you to have roid rage? See a problem in your comment?
Listen there is no problem, i am telling you how i react to this components.
When on test only (with deca or eq) i stay even nicer and caring than "clean", i don't know if is the estrogen build-up that causes that or whatever. Enter the proviron and shit happens. When i use dufine i get a little agressive but it doesn't compare to tribulus.
Well, he got roid rage from Tribulus. ::) ::) ::)
It's not just roid rage, it's schizophrenia like symptoms, scary shit. Plus it ruins my liver health even in small doses.
Even massive doses of vitamin B6 can alter ones behaviour.
I am not talking about walking the streets like a mad pitbull, you stay the same but when some problem happens the wolf comes out of nowere and does his damage. Then the police comes...
If you have been jacked up for your entire life problably you don't see differences in your behaviour but if you started when you were already a grown man you see the changes. If you don't than i am happy for you, give it another shot of tren!
Stay jacked stay calm
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Listen there is no problem, i am telling you how i react to this components.
When on test only (with deca or eq) i stay even nicer and caring than "clean", i don't know if is the estrogen build-up that causes that or whatever. Enter the proviron and shit happens. When i use dufine i get a little agressive but it doesn't compare to tribulus.
It's not just roid rage, it's schizophrenia like symptoms, scary shit. Plus it ruins my liver health even in small doses.
Even massive doses of vitamin B6 can alter ones behaviour.
I am not talking about walking the streets like a mad pitbull, you stay the same but when some problem happens the wolf comes out of nowere and does his damage. Then the police comes...
If you have been jacked up for your entire life problably you don't see differences in your behaviour but if you started when you were already a grown man you see the changes. If you don't than i am happy for you, give it another shot of tren!
Stay jacked stay calm
You may very well have a problem with those items but your basis is what doesn't work. You can't say androgens cause you to have roid rage symptoms because Proviron causes this and has an androgenic nature and then say testosterone doesn't cause this when it is the androgen. That's like saying water makes me thirsty. Again, you may very well have some kind of problem with Proviron or the other things you mentioned but if that's the case there's something else going on somewhere that's playing a role.
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I'm going to get a little personal here, and I don't like exposing myself like this. But I received some amazing PMs from some guys this weekend, a huge number thanking me for this thread, telling me how it reached them, and I spent a huge amount of time responding especially to the guys who told me they needed help. I hope a few of them really opened up to their loved ones this weekend about their narcotic addictions and that will be the first step towards recovery.
I don't know much about roid rage. I know that tren ace can affect my thought process when I introduce it at too high of a dosage when I have been off it for a while. There is however no outward manifestation of the tren induce convolution of my thought process. It is all in my head. And I actually have notice that I smile and laugh a lot on high doses of trenbolone. The drug makes me feel extremely confident in myself, and I always walk around with my head way up, and I find myself slightly more engaging and personable when talking to people who I don't particularly want to talk to (girlfriend's friends, certain work/school associates, etc'). I never have had one roid rage incident in my life.
Having said all that, I used to get locked in a pitch black basement for up to 24 hours with no food or water or human contact, or anything by a man who used hormones, alcohol and cocaine. I would get beat so severely I wound up in the hospital on 5 occasions, and on a 6th, when I truly should have gone, I ended up getting stitched up by my neighbor who was an EMS, because child services had me on a watch list. I had my arm placed on the edge of a table and held down, and then cleanly broken in two by a swing of a broken piece of table, which he had coincidentally smashed the week before.
am I mad? he's dead. he was 230 lbs and appeared to be strong,and he was walking dead for 10 years before he collapsed in the grocery store.
so i guess you can say i learned early. and there is no misinformation here in this thread. you mix narcotics and alcohol with hormones and terrible things happen.
no variable of roid rage. we are not discussing roid rage. roid rage does not exist. however mix narcotics and hormones and something else happens, something called drug induced psychosis, and it is not your normal narcotic induced psychosis. something very unique happens when you mix 200 mg tren ace with a gram of cocaine or some oxy and- but not necessarily- some booze, and you don't die. you are a fucking psychopath as the walking dead in this state. and don't try to get into semantics with me on this issue!!!! i am not defending "roid rage". i do not believe in it! however, narcotics+hormones= UNIQUE drug induced psychosis!!
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^^^ Wow, that's heavy!! Sorry to hear you had to go through all that abuse.
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sounds to me like your excusing that mans behavior because he was using various drugs when he abused you.
which is bullshit. he chose to act the way he acted, he acted that way, he didnt stop himself from doing those things. doesnt matter what may have not been if he didnt do the drugs, he abused you and hes responsible for that. done.
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Dude,when I was drunk,I was a friggin` lunatic.........nothing like I would be if sober............choice goes out the window when your thinking has become impaired,and rational thought is unheard of depending on how high or drunk a person gets..
I honestly don`t see how you can`t grasp this. ???
I agree 100% I have came to had girls living with me had no idea who they are. Once i was babysitting some strippers kids I had no idea whos kids they where who to call nothing. Had girls call me cussing me because i didnt call them back after dates I had no idea who the girls where what even they are talking about. Been all over town doing shit I dont even remember. I agree people use it for and excuse but I really had no idea I dont even realise I'm still even drinking at that point. I am half native american so I guess its common in my people lol Unlike wes though I take no responsiblity for my actions lol shit happens not my fault case closed
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actually the bigger question in my mind is what the fuck is going on in these peoples mind that come hang with me and go on dates when I'm like that they have to be nuts. Granted I'm not a very dangerous drunk as far as being violent. I pretty much rarely drink anymore sometimes life not really for moral reasons like many say because I'm now 35 and my body wont take it.
Occasionaly once every 6 months I may go on a 2-5 day tear and feel terrible about it. Lifes about choices you have to have a little fun and do what you want your not here to long. If I die from drinking so be it. What actually scares me more then that is putting myself in prison or something for something foolish jail a few days who cares. You always have to remember tommoros a new day whether it be drinking ,gambling sex letting some whore run your life. No matter who you are your going to do stupid shit. I see a lot of people sit inside watch tv all there life do nothing thinking they have it all figured out because they have no problems. No shit they don't live life. I used to beat myself up a lot for doing foolish things now I realise how foolish everyone else it also. People are going to die no matter what been that way for the last 50,000 yrs will be that way for the next.
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Needed to make its own thread for the topic, since the masteron thread has somehow transitioned into an alcohol-narcotic and hormone thread:
Many troglodytes, the ones who give hormones a bad name, never realize. The Chris Benoits. The Titus type.
U don't think you too can be a monster? Try mixing 200 mg
Tren ace w OxyContin and some alcohol, maybe add in some cocaine. I mean who cares? You're blacked out at this point.
Tell me where u wake up, if u wake up at all. Psych ward, Icu or jail.
I've seen it all fellas. I'm 25 but I have seen the deaths in the sport. I see the walking dead which is worse. I see walking dead who post here too.
Narcotics + alcohol + hormones : morgue, hospital icu , psych ward or jail
Fuck losing a relationship like I hear so often on this site, "I lost my Girl because of the tren crazies". I'm talking about your life gone or changed permanently because of one night u will never remember.
So please be cautious . I Am so adamant in my warnings because too often hormones to hand in hand with opiate pain killers. U know the 5'9 270 8 percent gym rat dealer in every gym who is red in the face and he is the walking dead, and he sells tren ace and of course OxyContin. You all know what I mean. And I urge you all to be introspective and realize if u are slipping down a bad path. And do not rationalize. You can change at the beginning , but once u are not getting out of bed without your narcotics, doing TNT shot 1 hour before lifting with a line of oxy, this is when you are walking dead.
can you send the link to your masteron thread? please?
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Damn they both had heart attacks? If you don't mind could you explained what actually happend. I'm sorry to hear that man.
one of my best buddiesm he was 255 on stage, around 280-290 offseason, huge guy, and goodlooking as fuck ( no homo). one of the best kids i ever knew... he started with the whole tren,HGH test, and alcohol,then added oxy, and eventually cocaine
i was at the club 3-4 years ago, he came in, he was the life of the party, we all knew eachother, almost half the club knew us, so we hung out and shit, then he asked me if i wanted to bounce to another club with him, at that time i was talking to hot ass blonde chick who was there with her friends, so i couldnt just grab her hand and tke her with me, she wanted to be with her friends a bit longer... anyways, my boy went to the other club, my phone was on silent,i talked to the girl for the rest of the night and about 30 minutes later i took her back to my place and told her friends i'll drop her off in the morning...
next morning i wake up, i will never forget this, i took my phone out of my pocket and saw 37 missed calls and 59 new text messages... i do get quite a few texts and calls, but those #s were ver high, so i knew something was wrong... lol im kinda choking up now so i'll just get to the point without explaining more, my boy had collapsed on the stairs walking up to the other club... at the age of 27 ..RIP
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I'm going to get a little personal here, and I don't like exposing myself like this. But I received some amazing PMs from some guys this weekend, a huge number thanking me for this thread, telling me how it reached them, and I spent a huge amount of time responding especially to the guys who told me they needed help. I hope a few of them really opened up to their loved ones this weekend about their narcotic addictions and that will be the first step towards recovery.
I don't know much about roid rage. I know that tren ace can affect my thought process when I introduce it at too high of a dosage when I have been off it for a while. There is however no outward manifestation of the tren induce convolution of my thought process. It is all in my head. And I actually have notice that I smile and laugh a lot on high doses of trenbolone. The drug makes me feel extremely confident in myself, and I always walk around with my head way up, and I find myself slightly more engaging and personable when talking to people who I don't particularly want to talk to (girlfriend's friends, certain work/school associates, etc'). I never have had one roid rage incident in my life.
Having said all that, I used to get locked in a pitch black basement for up to 24 hours with no food or water or human contact, or anything by a man who used hormones, alcohol and cocaine. I would get beat so severely I wound up in the hospital on 5 occasions, and on a 6th, when I truly should have gone, I ended up getting stitched up by my neighbor who was an EMS, because child services had me on a watch list. I had my arm placed on the edge of a table and held down, and then cleanly broken in two by a swing of a broken piece of table, which he had coincidentally smashed the week before.
am I mad? he's dead. he was 230 lbs and appeared to be strong,and he was walking dead for 10 years before he collapsed in the grocery store.
so i guess you can say i learned early. and there is no misinformation here in this thread. you mix narcotics and alcohol with hormones and terrible things happen.
no variable of roid rage. we are not discussing roid rage. roid rage does not exist. however mix narcotics and hormones and something else happens, something called drug induced psychosis, and it is not your normal narcotic induced psychosis. something very unique happens when you mix 200 mg tren ace with a gram of cocaine or some oxy and- but not necessarily- some booze, and you don't die. you are a fucking psychopath as the walking dead in this state. and don't try to get into semantics with me on this issue!!!! i am not defending "roid rage". i do not believe in it! however, narcotics+hormones= UNIQUE drug induced psychosis!!
Sorry to hear this bro...........big props for sharing it with us.
I come from a background where my father was an abusive woman beating drunk and I was physically abused also but not on the same scale as you were.
You`re a strong dude to come through that and still be a positive type person which I can tell you are just by reading your posts.
All the best! ;)
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one of my best buddiesm he was 255 on stage, around 280-290 offseason, huge guy, and goodlooking as fuck ( no homo). one of the best kids i ever knew... he started with the whole tren,HGH test, and alcohol,then added oxy, and eventually cocaine
i was at the club 3-4 years ago, he came in, he was the life of the party, we all knew eachother, almost half the club knew us, so we hung out and shit, then he asked me if i wanted to bounce to another club with him, at that time i was talking to hot ass blonde chick who was there with her friends, so i couldnt just grab her hand and tke her with me, she wanted to be with her friends a bit longer... anyways, my boy went to the other club, my phone was on silent,i talked to the girl for the rest of the night and about 30 minutes later i took her back to my place and told her friends i'll drop her off in the morning...
next morning i wake up, i will never forget this, i took my phone out of my pocket and saw 37 missed calls and 59 new text messages... i do get quite a few texts and calls, but those #s were ver high, so i knew something was wrong... lol im kinda choking up now so i'll just get to the point without explaining more, my boy had collapsed on the stairs walking up to the other club... at the age of 27 ..RIP
Respect for sharing that.
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Respect for sharing that.
No Problem... my philosophhy is to always learn from the experience of others... if someone went through a bad time, or commited a mistake, i feel its much better to learn from that person and that situation, instead of me committing that same mistake and ending up with similar results...
problem nowadays is that people just read the BENIFITS of the drugs, and they dont worry about the risk of running several drugs together... There are people that will say that tonight im going to :
1)Drink alcohol to get a good buzz and feel good
2) smoke a joint to become mellow
3) but i also want to party and have have energy, so i'll do some coke
4) oh, i wanna look good too, so im already doing tren or any AAS
5) fuck, why am i a lil anxious, let me take some xanax or lorazopam
6) fuck, its 8am the next day and i need to sleep so i can hit the gym later, let me take some sleeping pills
people just take drugs with a very narrow mind and for one specific benifit of the drug, and they cant see the bigger picture, and the risk of mixing all these diff compounds together
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No Problem... my philosophhy is to always learn from the experience of others... if someone went through a bad time, or commited a mistake, i feel its much better to learn from that person and that situation, instead of me committing that same mistake and ending up with similar results...
problem nowadays is that people just read the BENIFITS of the drugs, and they dont worry about the risk of running several drugs together... There are people that will say that tonight im going to :
1)Drink alcohol to get a good buzz and feel good
2) smoke a joint to become mellow
3) but i also want to party and have have energy, so i'll do some coke
4) oh, i wanna look good too, so im already doing tren or any AAS
5) fuck, why am i a lil anxious, let me take some xanax or lorazopam
6) fuck, its 8am the next day and i need to sleep so i can hit the gym later, let me take some sleeping pills
people just take drugs with a very narros mind for one specific benifit of the drug, and they cant see the bigger picture, and the risk of mixing all these diff compounds together
Very true.....good post dude.
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one of my best buddiesm he was 255 on stage, around 280-290 offseason, huge guy, and goodlooking as fuck ( no homo). one of the best kids i ever knew... he started with the whole tren,HGH test, and alcohol,then added oxy, and eventually cocaine
i was at the club 3-4 years ago, he came in, he was the life of the party, we all knew eachother, almost half the club knew us, so we hung out and shit, then he asked me if i wanted to bounce to another club with him, at that time i was talking to hot ass blonde chick who was there with her friends, so i couldnt just grab her hand and tke her with me, she wanted to be with her friends a bit longer... anyways, my boy went to the other club, my phone was on silent,i talked to the girl for the rest of the night and about 30 minutes later i took her back to my place and told her friends i'll drop her off in the morning...
next morning i wake up, i will never forget this, i took my phone out of my pocket and saw 37 missed calls and 59 new text messages... i do get quite a few texts and calls, but those #s were ver high, so i knew something was wrong... lol im kinda choking up now so i'll just get to the point without explaining more, my boy had collapsed on the stairs walking up to the other club... at the age of 27 ..RIP
Yeah this is terrible . It's Sad this thread has so many stories now, and it's hard to read but it's so necessary.
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problem nowadays is that people just read the BENIFITS of the drugs, and they dont worry about the risk of running several drugs together... There are people that will say that tonight im going to :
1)Drink alcohol to get a good buzz and feel good
2) smoke a joint to become mellow
3) but i also want to party and have have energy, so i'll do some coke
4) oh, i wanna look good too, so im already doing tren or any AAS
5) fuck, why am i a lil anxious, let me take some xanax or lorazopam
6) fuck, its 8am the next day and i need to sleep so i can hit the gym later, let me take some sleeping pills
Excellent post man.
I know so many people just like this from back in my party days. I used to party until the sun came up all the time and we used to throw massive beach parties back when i was in college. The 6 steps you just mentioned seem to be very true and i have literally watched people go through the exact motions you just mentioned. I always had control over my drug use, but i had a lot of friends who would "create" a reason to use certain drugs on a daily basis.
Smoof, that was some real speech man and i truly appreciate you sharing all of that with us. This is the type of help a lot of guys need and sometimes reading posts from other people can hit home or help wake people up from issues in their lives. I had a very good friend growing up who went through a similar childhood as you did, his dad beat the shit out of him with a massive leather belt at least 3-5 times a day just because he was an angry drunk fuck. When we got to be 15 and i started driving we waited until his old man passed out and tied the old fuck the his sleeping chair and i drove my friend Andy to his grandparent's house about 1 hour away. The crazy part was that his old man didn't even look for him after he ran away, he just kept drinking and died in his sleep about 3 years later. Unfortunately my friend got into heavy drugs by the age of 21 and died after drinking too much and mixing it with xanax, he passed out and never woke up. I still remember his sister calling me to tell me about it, i was blown away. I still have a picture of the two of us sitting on the tailgate to my truck from when we were 16. I keep this picture framed in my study room and i look at it almost every day. He died 13 years ago next month.
I'm very lucky to have a good upbringing and good family. I grew up on a farm and was mending fences at 5 years old, but it taught me the value of hard work. Hell my grandfather was farming cotton and chunking 50 pound hay bails into his truck at 94 years old. When you are brought up tough, you are tough for life. I used to hate the fact that i did adult chores as a child but once i got older i realized it made me a much better person. My father taught me the most valuable lesson at a young age...hard work pays off.
Thanks for sharing all of this info guys, I'm sure it helped many people. It really had me thinking about my past for sure.
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Excellent post man.
I know so many people just like this from back in my party days. I used to party until the sun came up all the time and we used to throw massive beach parties back when i was in college. The 6 steps you just mentioned seem to be very true and i have literally watched people go through the exact motions you just mentioned. I always had control over my drug use, but i had a lot of friends who would "create" a reason to use certain drugs on a daily basis.
Smoof, that was some real speech man and i truly appreciate you sharing all of that with us. This is the type of help a lot of guys need and sometimes reading posts from other people can hit home or help wake people up from issues in their lives. I had a very good friend growing up who went through a similar childhood as you did, his dad beat the shit out of him with a massive leather belt at least 3-5 times a day just because he was an angry drunk fuck. When we got to be 15 and i started driving we waited until his old man passed out and tied the old fuck the his sleeping chair and i drove my friend Andy to his grandparent's house about 1 hour away. The crazy part was that his old man didn't even look for him after he ran away, he just kept drinking and died in his sleep about 3 years later. Unfortunately my friend got into heavy drugs by the age of 21 and died after drinking too much and mixing it with xanax, he passed out and never woke up. I still remember his sister calling me to tell me about it, i was blown away. I still have a picture of the two of us sitting on the tailgate to my truck from when we were 16. I keep this picture framed in my study room and i look at it almost every day. He died 13 years ago next month.
I'm very lucky to have a good upbringing and good family. I grew up on a farm and was mending fences at 5 years old, but it taught me the value of hard work. Hell my grandfather was farming cotton and chunking 50 pound hay bails into his truck at 94 years old. When you are brought up tough, you are tough for life. I used to hate the fact that i did adult chores as a child but once i got older i realized it made me a much better person. My father taught me the most valuable lesson at a young age...hard work pays off.
Thanks for sharing all of this info guys, I'm sure it helped many people. It really had me thinking about my past for sure.
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Thank you. I don't know why I exposed myself so much in this thread. Part of it is I am experiencing some emotions I have never felt before knowing I will be a father. It made me think about Getting physically abused by a 240 lb man until I was 13. He had gone off gear and shrunk down to 200 lbs and he had a shoulder surgery. He started strangling me, and I grabbed his bottle of stoli off the table and smashed it over his head and then just beat him until I knew he wasn't getting up again.
He never hit me again and was dead within 2 years of an overdose.
Been flooded with feelings about how I will never lay a hand on my kid and raise him right and never touch another drop of alcohol or drug again in my life. Because I am a physically mirror image of my father. Every feature is the same , except he had 10-15 lbs of fat and water from a poor diet and alcohol, making him 240 and me 225.
And I fear that deep inside me there may be something bad, the same evil that was in him. And I know alcohol and narcotics with the constant use of grams of hormones (he basically only used deca d bol test, not that this matters) brought it out of him. Because at 25 he was a graduate student and by all accounts a great guy, like me. Something terrible happened when I was born, induced by stress, which led to the drugs.
And I am in fear of the precedent repeating itself if I am not aware and conscious of my flaws as a human .
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Thank you. I don't know why I exposed myself so much in this thread. Part of it is I am experiencing some emotions I have never felt before knowing I will be a father. It made me think about Getting physically abused by a 240 lb man until I was 13. He had gone off gear and shrunk down to 200 lbs and he had a shoulder surgery. He started strangling me, and I grabbed his bottle of stoli off the table and smashed it over his head and then just beat him until I knew he wasn't getting up again.
He never hit me again and was dead within 2 years of an overdose.
Been flooded with feelings about how I will never lay a hand on my kid and raise him right and never touch another drop of alcohol or drug again in my life. Because I am a physically mirror image of my father. Every feature is the same , except he had 10-15 lbs of fat and water from a poor diet and alcohol, making him 240 and me 225.
And I fear that deep inside me there may be something bad, the same evil that was in him. And I know alcohol and narcotics with the constant use of grams of hormones (he basically only used deca d bol test, not that this matters) brought it out of him. Because at 25 he was a graduate student and by all accounts a great guy, like me. Something terrible happened when I was born, induced by stress, which led to the drugs.
And I am in fear of the precedent repeating itself if I am not aware and conscious of my flaws as a human .
I think we have different emotions once we realize we are bringing another life into the Earth. I don't have kids, but all of my friends who have kids started getting more strict about their lives when they knew they had a baby on the way. Many of my friends straightened up and quit going out to party once they had a bun in the oven.
I think you are right, sometimes people are driven to insanity and we never will know what drives men to do this to their children. I cannot fathom laying a hand on a young child in an abusive fashion. The part that i cannot understand and it's perhaps the most troublesome part of all this, is that "something" had to change in these people's minds to drive them to do such things to their children. My mother is a Psychology Professor and this is a subject that drives her nuts. She always said that after she had a child she was so protective of the child that she barely let anyone else touch us as infants. Yet somewhere deep inside, there is an evil that cannot be explained. THAT is what scares me...there must be something that led to the drugs and booze, after the drugs and booze addiction kicks in, men tend to get mean.
I'm glad you are speaking about this and i wish you the best of luck with your child. At least you are aware of these traits and can watch out for any strange feelings. My mother once showed me an article that was based on a bunch of Central American women and these women were dumping their babies in a river to protect them from evil...weird.
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I'm going to get a little personal here, and I don't like exposing myself like this. But I received some amazing PMs from some guys this weekend, a huge number thanking me for this thread, telling me how it reached them, and I spent a huge amount of time responding especially to the guys who told me they needed help. I hope a few of them really opened up to their loved ones this weekend about their narcotic addictions and that will be the first step towards recovery.
I don't know much about roid rage. I know that tren ace can affect my thought process when I introduce it at too high of a dosage when I have been off it for a while. There is however no outward manifestation of the tren induce convolution of my thought process. It is all in my head. And I actually have notice that I smile and laugh a lot on high doses of trenbolone. The drug makes me feel extremely confident in myself, and I always walk around with my head way up, and I find myself slightly more engaging and personable when talking to people who I don't particularly want to talk to (girlfriend's friends, certain work/school associates, etc'). I never have had one roid rage incident in my life.
Having said all that, I used to get locked in a pitch black basement for up to 24 hours with no food or water or human contact, or anything by a man who used hormones, alcohol and cocaine. I would get beat so severely I wound up in the hospital on 5 occasions, and on a 6th, when I truly should have gone, I ended up getting stitched up by my neighbor who was an EMS, because child services had me on a watch list. I had my arm placed on the edge of a table and held down, and then cleanly broken in two by a swing of a broken piece of table, which he had coincidentally smashed the week before.
am I mad? he's dead. he was 230 lbs and appeared to be strong,and he was walking dead for 10 years before he collapsed in the grocery store.
so i guess you can say i learned early. and there is no misinformation here in this thread. you mix narcotics and alcohol with hormones and terrible things happen.
no variable of roid rage. we are not discussing roid rage. roid rage does not exist. however mix narcotics and hormones and something else happens, something called drug induced psychosis, and it is not your normal narcotic induced psychosis. something very unique happens when you mix 200 mg tren ace with a gram of cocaine or some oxy and- but not necessarily- some booze, and you don't die. you are a fucking psychopath as the walking dead in this state. and don't try to get into semantics with me on this issue!!!! i am not defending "roid rage". i do not believe in it! however, narcotics+hormones= UNIQUE drug induced psychosis!!
Thanks for sharing man... alot of people on this board have been through alot...
here is a link to another thread ( no im not whoring my thread), it has some great posts in it:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=416442.0
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I just went through this thread again and wanted to give my thoughts on the roid rage thing.
I think that people who experience 'roid rage' are already angry people to begin with, and the
hormones just make it worse. In my opinion, most drugs(hormones included) just magnify whatever
traits you already have.
I have never experienced roid rage in the ten years that I have been using AAS.
When I was young and stupid, I would be on hormones while also using GHB and cocaine. Not once
did I act aggressive, or do anything other than try to have a good time. I can't stand conflict, and
I don't enjoy being angry.... so even on drugs, that part of my personality remains the same.
I avoided fights even when someone was trying to instigate something, and I just had no interest
in being 'that guy'. Every time I saw a roided out douche when I was out partying, I just laughed
at their bulging eyes and hardcore stare, while they tried to intimidate every male in the room.
If you are a frustrated and angry person while sober and off hormones, you will probably have
those issues magnified if you use recs or hormones.
Just my opinion.
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I just went through this thread again and wanted to give my thoughts on the roid rage thing.
I think that people who experience 'roid rage' are already angry people to begin with, and the
hormones just make it worse. In my opinion, most drugs(hormones included) just magnify whatever
traits you already have.
I have never experienced roid rage in the ten years that I have been using AAS.
When I was young and stupid, I would be on hormones while also using GHB and cocaine. Not once
did I act aggressive, or do anything other than try to have a good time. I can't stand conflict, and
I don't enjoy being angry.... so even on drugs, that part of my personality remains the same.
I avoided fights even when someone was trying to instigate something, and I just had no interest
in being 'that guy'. Every time I saw a roided out douche when I was out partying, I just laughed
at their bulging eyes and hardcore stare, while they tried to intimidate every male in the room.
If you are a frustrated and angry person while sober and off hormones, you will probably have
those issues magnified if you use recs or hormones.
Just my opinion.
I totally agree with this.
If you have issues without steroids, you will have bigger issues with steroids. Throw some other drugs in the mix for an already emotionally unstable person, and you have a ticking time bomb waiting to explode any time.
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i did the combination for a long time. Since i started with hgh i stopped doing coke, ofcourse gains are 10 times better!! Now i only drink once a month, try to stick to beer and no hard liqoirs... bacardi and testostrone is a killer combo, you'll def get into a fight.. hahaha
edit: add some tren and you're done;) haha
See... i dont agree with this
Its all the MENTALITY of the person. If i tell you to NOT think about a pink elephant fucking a yellow pig, what are you thinking right now about ? a pink elephant fucking a yellow pig !
There were times when i would go out with my boys and for some fucked up reason we were so high on life, my buddies would say " lets go out tonight and fuck some people up", and guess what ?9 out of 10 nights we would end up in fights those nights...and the other one night would be that the other dudes were too scared to do anything
There were some nights that 3-4 of us will go out and say "we're gonna fuck some bitches tonight", and guess what, we would leave there witha group of girls and all get laid
My point is, its all about the personality and the mentality of the person.
alot of people have heard about roid rage, so their mentality is " im gonna shoot 200mg of tren ace EOD and become a fucking psycho at the gym and my oh my if someone starts to get on my nerves, i will fuck them up"... and guess what? 3 days later some twink asks to "jump in" a set with you and you unleash on him
its all in the MIND !!!
Ever had a panic attack? you can pretty much lay there in you bed, and jack up your heart rate to 170 bpm ! just by shit that goes in your mind... you'd have to be sprinting 2+ mins at 10+mph speed to get that heart rate
so when you say "edit: add some tren and you're done;) haha", that shows your mentality. I can see folks like you that took tren, and are at a bar, and they are like " well i took tren, and i had a drink, oh boy, its gonna happen, shit is gonna go down any minute".. so without knowing it, your asking for it. Then some poor guy accidently bumps shoulders with you, and you smash a bottle in his head... when i say YOU i dont mean you personally, i have buddies just like that..
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I don't denny the power of sugestion but at least in my case i have some personality changes with some specific steroid/steroid combinations.
Doctors say that the worst drug to increase violence is alcohol: I know this but when i drink to much i just laugh and laugh and never ever i had been agressive on it. With some steroids i can't say the same.
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The Problem in modern society is, that it is expected of you to be an A-player at all times in every field.
If you're out to party and you're tired from work, you're a bore. If you have a shitty day at work, people start wondering if you don't take your job serious enough, you will get problem s with the wife if you are too exhausted or don't earn enough, and overall you need to look great, be in shape and so on.
Nobody ever says anything about your drug use if it helps you to reach expectations or overperform. They rather drive you deeper into it .
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If there ever was a scam, it's roid rage. If there was ever an idea that affects people by the power of suggestion to the ultimate degree, it's once again roid rage.
There's two things:
*Roid rage is used by anti-steroid people as a scare tactic...despite supporting evidence.
*Roid rage is claimed by performance enhancers because the idea has been beaten into their brain...however, that doesn't make it real.
Of course, some like to say "well, maybe it's not real for me but I know what I take XYZ steroid I have a problem." Really, do you? Based on what we know about steroids from this aspect, that's like saying "well, water may quench your thirst but I know when i drink it I get dehydrated." Or if we use a drug "well, Tylenol may help your headache but it gives me bigger longer lasting erections." That's all fine and well, but obviously impossible and no one would make claims like that, but that's exactly the kind of claims people make when it comes to roid rage.
Impossible cannot exist just because you believe hard enough.
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The Problem in modern society is, that it is expected of you to be an A-player at all times in every field.
If you're out to party and you're tired from work, you're a bore. If you have a shitty day at work, people start wondering if you don't take your job serious enough, you will get problem s with the wife if you are too exhausted or don't earn enough, and overall you need to look great, be in shape and so on.
Nobody ever says anything about your drug use if it helps you to reach expectations or overperform. They rather drive you deeper into it .
yes.
alot of people are very tempermental and sensitive about fucking with their mood(s)/the mood/energy of an atmosphere or environment.. bar scene, the club, professional environment, family, ect. everything is compartmentalized in a sense and if you bring one into the other its as if your intruding on their space so to speak.
we have our funny rules , do this at that time, that at the other time, and that other thing at another time. right now were doing this. you cant be doing that. be happy ! be sad ! dont think that, think this. dont move that way, move this way. talk this way. dress this way.
its called societal norms !
we are supposed to be happy at parties because happy people party for the reason of getting more happy, everyones trying to be happy and your weighin it down with your sorrows ! ;D fucking crybaby
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If there ever was a scam, it's roid rage. If there was ever an idea that affects people by the power of suggestion to the ultimate degree, it's once again roid rage.
There's two things:
*Roid rage is used by anti-steroid people as a scare tactic...despite supporting evidence.
*Roid rage is claimed by performance enhancers because the idea has been beaten into their brain...however, that doesn't make it real.
Of course, some like to say "well, maybe it's not real for me but I know what I take XYZ steroid I have a problem." Really, do you? Based on what we know about steroids from this aspect, that's like saying "well, water may quench your thirst but I know when i drink it I get dehydrated." Or if we use a drug "well, Tylenol may help your headache but it gives me bigger longer lasting erections." That's all fine and well, but obviously impossible and no one would make claims like that, but that's exactly the kind of claims people make when it comes to roid rage.
Impossible cannot exist just because you believe hard enough.
1. every post is interesting on this last page. very deep thoughts, very interesting concepts brought up.
2. i want to address this topic again, of roid rage. the only people who get "roid rage" are people who used to lose their temper before they started using steroids. i have never seen a good person ruined by steroids. i have never even seen a personality really change, other than a gain of confidence. the only time i have seen a person ruined is by narcotics. and i have seen plenty of bodybuilders go down this path, because narcotics have a unique interaction with hormones. i don't even care to see a study backing or disputing my point. i have never been more certain of something in my life.
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1. every post is interesting on this last page. very deep thoughts, very interesting concepts brought up.
2. i want to address this topic again, of roid rage. the only people who get "roid rage" are people who used to lose their temper before they started using steroids. i have never seen a good person ruined by steroids. i have never even seen a personality really change, other than a gain of confidence. the only time i have seen a person ruined is by narcotics. and i have seen plenty of bodybuilders go down this path, because narcotics have a unique interaction with hormones. i don't even care to see a study backing or disputing my point. i have never been more certain of something in my life.
I agree, but when it comes to what you said here:
"the only people who get "roid rage" are people who used to lose their temper before they started using steroids"
I still wouldn't call that roid rage.
Those people are already assholes. Yes, steroids can increase aggression and if you're an asshole and you use steroids you might be a more aggressive asshole...but the steroids did not change your personality. They did not create the anger or desire for violent behavior or outburst.
I think you'd agree with this...I'm stating it the way I did for others.
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I agree, but when it comes to what you said here:
"the only people who get "roid rage" are people who used to lose their temper before they started using steroids"
I still wouldn't call that roid rage.
Those people are already assholes. Yes, steroids can increase aggression and if you're an asshole and you use steroids you might be a more aggressive asshole...but the steroids did not change your personality. They did not create the anger or desire for violent behavior or outburst.
I think you'd agree with this...I'm stating it the way I did for others.
totally agreed.
but add in narcotics, and even a very good person who has never had an issue with temper or violence once in their life can fall into some very weird behavior.
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totally agreed.
but add in narcotics, and even a very good person who has never had an issue with temper or violence once in their life can fall into some very weird behavior.
Yep, that's true. But it's true with or without steroids. An exgirlfriend of mine, she was as normal, calm and as sweet as can be...she got hooked on roxies and oxy...turned her into a lunatic and caused some major problems in my life.
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Great thread man.
I can't tell you much about rec drugs because i never smoke even a cigarette or touched alcohol in my life but i see what it does to my friends. You sometimes say that a 20yo bodybuilder looks like he's 40 right? Well i have friends that never trained and never did AAS are about my age (27) and look like 50 and when you bring the subject up they get defensive and say it's only this and only that, i just use it for this and that and i look at their faces all fucked up, aged like hell all out of shape and i feel sorry for them.
You might find this funny but my friends who train with me at the gym and ask for hook ups i only give it to them if they stop drinking at least while they're on. Some of them agree and at least while i'm with them they don't drink and feel kinda embarassed if someone rats them out if they slip when i'm not around. ;D