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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: El Diablo Blanco on March 15, 2012, 09:51:43 AM
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I've been injecting 1/2 ml daily of a top chef's tren A. For the first few days, I've been sleeping normal, noticed I was more focused, just king of streamlined. But the last two nights have been fucking hell. Yesterday was the worst. The night before I slept ok but restless, not many hours and felt like shit all day. Yesterday I was exhausted, barely keep my eyes open. I was falling asleep sitting up. Thought I would have a good night's sleep but as soon as I laid down It went to the shitter. I just laid there with my eyes closed and boiling hot. The house was cold but I had my ceiling fan on and my tower fan on and was having head sweats. I would close my eyes and dream about some odd shit. Think I was sleeping for a while and look at the clock and only 10 minutes had passed. Had to piss, so I get up take a piss, go back to bed, "fall asleep" wake up having to piss and look at the clock and only 15 minutes has passed. I am lying there hot, sweaty head and it went like this all night. I pissed about 8 or 9 times. I would wake up every 10-20 minutes thinking that maybe a couple hours passed and I would be wrong. it would be 1:30, then 1:45, then close my eyes, think I was sleeping, look at the clock and it was 1:50. What the fuck! only 5 minutes has passed? All night until the morning. Now I am sitting on my couch and eyes closing and I feel like shit. I skipped my tren for today and thinking of skipping for a couple more days.
But is this worth it? Is it worth it feeling so fucking awfull?
I am not on GH since I have a tupperware in the fridge with bunk GH and GH that gives me hives.
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It's normal, I was like that too. It gets better, don't worry.
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die for us bitch 8)
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die for us bitch 8)
That's what I felt like last night. One of the longest nights ever. I felt like morning was never going to come.
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what is your body fat mon of steele?
i did not get this reaction from his tren whatsoever, and I straight up ABUSE it as you know.
i am so sorry about the GH. obviously this is the difference. i am on 20 iu of real blues. i honestly do not love running tren without GH, but i get nowhere near thhe kinds of sides you just described, even at a 150 mg daily (never done 200 without gh).
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Body fat is not where I want it to be. By the time I get to where I want to be I am looking at being probably 25-30 pounds lighter. GH would help for sure. Looking to order online soon. Thinking of trying rips. I might stop the tren until I get the rips in and try again.
what is your body fat mon of steele?
i did not get this reaction from his tren whatsoever, and I straight up ABUSE it as you know.
i am so sorry about the GH. obviously this is the difference. i am on 20 iu of real blues. i honestly do not love running tren without GH, but i get nowhere near thhe kinds of sides you just described, even at a 150 mg daily (never done 200 without gh).
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you'll get passed it. stick with it.
GH sure helps you sleep better on tren! Still vivid dreams as hell. So much so that I accidentally kicked my girl last week and last night I punched her. Apparently there are lots of fights in my dreams.... I have to sleep on the couch now :-/
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Body fat is not where I want it to be. By the time I get to where I want to be I am looking at being probably 25-30 pounds lighter. GH would help for sure. Looking to order online soon. Thinking of trying rips. I might stop the tren until I get the rips in and try again.
I know you posted and indicated that you were against t3 use but t3 and tren right now is droping weight off me very fast. Ive had to lower my t3 dose because my diet is right on and I dont need as much t3, no sense in losing 1-2lbs a day.
As far as the tren goes, it will pass. I go through this phase everytime I go back on tren and bump the dose past prior use. It usually passes in 2-3 weeks, if you just tough it out you will enjoy the cycle.
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welcome to tren world :) try to inject tren at nigth at the same time every day, yes low body fat will help with sweat, if you dont have gh to fight with insomnia try low dose zopiclone is drug to treat insomnia
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I always find that if I introduce tren gradually it is better tolerated. Just start on 50 or even 25 and make the difference in dosage up with some masteron or more masteron if you are already taking it. Each week gradually take the dosage up 50/75/100. I find if I start too high it is hard for you to tolerate the sides but if you increase gradually the body gets used to it and can tolerate more and more.
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I always find that if I introduce tren gradually it is better tolerated. Just start on 50 or even 25 and make the difference in dosage up with some masteron or more masteron if you are already taking it. Each week gradually take the dosage up 50/75/100. I find if I start too high it is hard for you to tolerate the sides but if you increase gradually the body gets used to it and can tolerate more and more.
i dunno. this advice works for a real beginner, but 25-50 mg of tren ace will do basically nothing for me, and i kind of assume mon of steele has been around the block too .
the problem with tren ace, especially the specific tren ace that mon of steele has, is that the good tren ace gives serious sides if you are on no GH. if you are on GH, even 4 iu daily, then you won't get many sides.
so mon of steele, why don't you just shoot 2 vials daily of the taitropins and get the 4 iu from it? do you think something is that bad in them?
it makes no sense to me, because the blues he sent out were more like 4-6iu per vial, and they give no welt type sides. everyone has unanimously reported that the blues work perfectly (and that they are, well, blues..)
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The Tais messed me up real good. Real bad itcjy welts. I stopped taking them and the welts are finally almost gone. Took about a week
i dunno. this advice works for a real beginner, but 25-50 mg of tren ace will do basically nothing for me, and i kind of assume mon of steele has been around the block too .
the problem with tren ace, especially the specific tren ace that mon of steele has, is that the good tren ace gives serious sides if you are on no GH. if you are on GH, even 4 iu daily, then you won't get many sides.
so mon of steele, why don't you just shoot 2 vials daily of the taitropins and get the 4 iu from it? do you think something is that bad in them?
it makes no sense to me, because the blues he sent out were more like 4-6iu per vial, and they give no welt type sides. everyone has unanimously reported that the blues work perfectly (and that they are, well, blues..)
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i dunno. this advice works for a real beginner, but 25-50 mg of tren ace will do basically nothing for me, and i kind of assume mon of steele has been around the block too .
the problem with tren ace, especially the specific tren ace that mon of steele has, is that the good tren ace gives serious sides if you are on no GH. if you are on GH, even 4 iu daily, then you won't get many sides.
so mon of steele, why don't you just shoot 2 vials daily of the taitropins and get the 4 iu from it? do you think something is that bad in them?
it makes no sense to me, because the blues he sent out were more like 4-6iu per vial, and they give no welt type sides. everyone has unanimously reported that the blues work perfectly (and that they are, well, blues..)
He sounds like an experienced anabolics user in general but not an experienced tren user. For this reason I say introduce it in gradually over time he will increase the dose to a more normal level! But it's no good to anyone getting those sort of sides just cos he started the doseages too high for him. It seems there is a correlation between the amount of time you spend on tren and your tolerance to it. It's far better he starts like this and stays on it rather than just do a week on higher dose and jacks it completely.
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Who cares about morning coming? Sounds awesome, just sit and cotemplate the universe.
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Who cares about morning coming? Sounds awesome, just sit and cotemplate the universe.
Because it has fucked up my day today. I am so useless. Can't think, feeling sick, crazy headache. Losing that sleep is not cool, especially for me. I am a big guy. Need my rest. I guess smaller guys can survive it but for me sleep is essential, more than anything else.
The type of sleep was weird. I was too tired to keep my eyes open but time barely moved. It was weird to close my eyes, think I was sleeping look at the clock and only 5 minutes passed. It is almost surreal. Now sitting upright I am nodding off. I am scared to drive my car and fall asleep but I'll need to soon.
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Because it has fucked up my day today. I am so useless. Can't think, feeling sick, crazy headache. Losing that sleep is not cool, especially for me. I am a big guy. Need my rest. I guess smaller guys can survive it but for me sleep is essential, more than anything else.
The type of sleep was weird. I was too tired to keep my eyes open but time barely moved. It was weird to close my eyes, think I was sleeping look at the clock and only 5 minutes passed. It is almost surreal. Now sitting upright I am nodding off. I am scared to drive my car and fall asleep but I'll need to soon.
do you use prami? that shit did the exact same thing to me each time i took it
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do you use prami? that shit did the exact same thing to me each time i took it
Prami? what is that?
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Mon, that is kind of odd. I don't get many sides now on 10iu of novos, but the first couple times I ran tren I did it with no GH and certainly had some sleeplessness. But I would wake up after four hours REFRESHED. I was ready to go man.
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Prami? what is that?
pramipexole, stuff to lower your prolactin or some shit
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Sounds shitty man. That's why I avoid tren and stick to higher doses of masteron. Poor mans tren. I'm missing out on the gains but also the misserable sides.
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use prami at night before bed, you take that stuff early morning and yes, youll feel sick all day lol
im thinking of adding tren into my mix right now, sucks cause I have to use prami with any progesterone increasing drugs
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how long do you guys run tren?
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Been on tren 9 weeks in varying doses, it gets a hell of alot better.
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pramipexole pretty much eliminated all my tren sides.
I couldn't use tren at all, I tried many times and would always give up within 2 weeks.
I tried pramipexole with it, and now I can tolerate as much as I want.
I am using 50mg daily right now, I was using 100mg ED for a while at the end of 2011,
even tried 200mg ED for the last week of the cycle with no negative effects.
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I've been injecting 1/2 ml daily of a top chef's tren A. For the first few days, I've been sleeping normal, noticed I was more focused, just king of streamlined. But the last two nights have been fucking hell. Yesterday was the worst. The night before I slept ok but restless, not many hours and felt like shit all day. Yesterday I was exhausted, barely keep my eyes open. I was falling asleep sitting up. Thought I would have a good night's sleep but as soon as I laid down It went to the shitter. I just laid there with my eyes closed and boiling hot. The house was cold but I had my ceiling fan on and my tower fan on and was having head sweats. I would close my eyes and dream about some odd shit. Think I was sleeping for a while and look at the clock and only 10 minutes had passed. Had to piss, so I get up take a piss, go back to bed, "fall asleep" wake up having to piss and look at the clock and only 15 minutes has passed. I am lying there hot, sweaty head and it went like this all night. I pissed about 8 or 9 times. I would wake up every 10-20 minutes thinking that maybe a couple hours passed and I would be wrong. it would be 1:30, then 1:45, then close my eyes, think I was sleeping, look at the clock and it was 1:50. What the fuck! only 5 minutes has passed? All night until the morning. Now I am sitting on my couch and eyes closing and I feel like shit. I skipped my tren for today and thinking of skipping for a couple more days.
But is this worth it? Is it worth it feeling so fucking awfull?
I am not on GH since I have a tupperware in the fridge with bunk GH and GH that gives me hives.
use your comon sense
if a certain product doesn't fit you, stop using it
you can still look awesome without tren
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anything over 600 mg a week fast your sit belt... i couldnt sleep for 4 days, solution.... add benzo or good old gh or both and youll be fine
tren rules!! ;D
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Last night I took some Nyquil. That shit helped me a lot. Problem with Nyquil is I never wake up refreshed but at least I feel normal today.
What's the deal above with Stavios? Shows him as a guest. Did his account get closed?
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I guess he deleted his account or something.
Odd.
He is a good dude.
8)
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no stop, it's only going to get worse, it sounds like you have bad side effects to the drug.
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about the trensomnia stuff, i honestly just smoke weed and never have problems sleeping. it's safer than any fucking prescription sleeping meds, ill never go that route... no painkillers and any shit like that for me... just whore moans and kush.
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about the trensomnia stuff, i honestly just smoke weed and never have problems sleeping. it's safer than any fucking prescription sleeping meds, ill never go that route... no painkillers and any shit like that for me... just whore moans and kush.
HAHAHA. YES! My man!
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I've been injecting 1/2 ml daily of a top chef's tren A. For the first few days, I've been sleeping normal, noticed I was more focused, just king of streamlined. But the last two nights have been fucking hell.
A few suggestions:
1. Shoot the Tren in the morning. I found that if I wait until the afternoon or night to do it, my sleep is disturbed way more.
2. If you're not going to use GH, get some Unisom or other non-addictive, over-the-counter sleep medication to get you through the first several weeks.
3. Do cardio. The reason why you feel like you are cooking from the inside out is because your bodyfat is too high. There is a big difference in how you feel on Tren why you've got quite a bit of extra bodyfat, and how you feel when you are lean.
4. Stick with it. I see a lot people complaining about sides from Tren and other compounds, but almost always these complaints are posted within the first week of use. What most people don't realize is that your body will adapt over time so the sides and overall shitty feeling will start to diminish within the first few weeks. After that, you'll start feeling a lot better on a daily basis and may even be ready to increase your dosage at that point if you want.
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Sounds shitty man. That's why I avoid tren and stick to higher doses of masteron. Poor mans tren. I'm missing out on the gains but also the misserable sides.
Do you ever have problems with prostate health? or take anything for it?
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it's weird because I was feeling that for about 2 weeks, and then you start working out so hard, eating so much and your GH elevates, pretty soon you are back to sleeping like a baby. until week 6 or 7 when you start to break out on your back and shoulders, I would kill for some accutane right now
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about the trensomnia stuff, i honestly just smoke weed and never have problems sleeping. it's safer than any fucking prescription sleeping meds, ill never go that route... no painkillers and any shit like that for me... just whore moans and kush.
thank you!!! lol was just about to post that...I smoke and never have issues with sleeping lol
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the moment you stop trenbolona usage ...you start regressing,, you may not notice it very fast ,, but take picture after 20-30 days...youwil see your surface ...you actual lean muscle is going down down ,, you know the song of bruce ...im going down down down down ,,
moment you stop trenbolona your physiqe losing dimentions of lean muscle ,, the seperation is reduced and muscles get fatter ,, it is hard to explain but easy to see in pictures,, take pictures same pose...and you will see how your chest suddenly doesnt look as big or as thick or as popping or as seperated...and its true to other body parts ,, so you may be 219 lb ....but when you were 205lb on that trenbolona....thoe 205 lb looked much better ..bigger...larger... leaner and more quality ofo muscle and seperation
rememebr friends! if you cant see it ....its not there,, you cant walk in street tell the whores,,, excuse me miss but i realy do have muscle its just hiden under my 38 inch waist or you realy cansee my upper back seperation but it needs to be in the right light lol,, it doesnt work this way
in bodybuild you NEED to see it ! ,, and inorder to see it trenbolona is major maor part of the equation ,,
the only thing that sperate good physiqe from great physiqe is ....taking out the gh
when you take out the gh and leave in the trenbolona...you get your good physiqe that had some water on it and blurred the lines to some degre...into great physiqe that is shredded within weeks...
then you have to go bck on hgh...so the process of mutatition can continue...since you dont want to walk dry 5-6 % alwys ...you want to grow at 6-8% with hgh in the blood
gh15 approved
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I've been injecting 1/2 ml daily of a top chef's tren A. For the first few days, I've been sleeping normal, noticed I was more focused, just king of streamlined. But the last two nights have been fucking hell. Yesterday was the worst. The night before I slept ok but restless, not many hours and felt like shit all day. Yesterday I was exhausted, barely keep my eyes open. I was falling asleep sitting up. Thought I would have a good night's sleep but as soon as I laid down It went to the shitter. I just laid there with my eyes closed and boiling hot. The house was cold but I had my ceiling fan on and my tower fan on and was having head sweats. I would close my eyes and dream about some odd shit. Think I was sleeping for a while and look at the clock and only 10 minutes had passed. Had to piss, so I get up take a piss, go back to bed, "fall asleep" wake up having to piss and look at the clock and only 15 minutes has passed. I am lying there hot, sweaty head and it went like this all night. I pissed about 8 or 9 times. I would wake up every 10-20 minutes thinking that maybe a couple hours passed and I would be wrong. it would be 1:30, then 1:45, then close my eyes, think I was sleeping, look at the clock and it was 1:50. What the fuck! only 5 minutes has passed? All night until the morning. Now I am sitting on my couch and eyes closing and I feel like shit. I skipped my tren for today and thinking of skipping for a couple more days.
But is this worth it? Is it worth it feeling so fucking awfull?
I am not on GH since I have a tupperware in the fridge with bunk GH and GH that gives me hives.
dont stop it bro.stopping tren should never be an option just cause some managable sides lol .. just deal with the sides they well subside .and when they do up it to 100 mg ed. and i noticed just as everyone else stated soon as ur bodyfat gets real low enough the sweats stop too... and so what u wake up a bunch times to go to the bathroom thats just the trens way of telling u to keep checking that mirror man cause ur body is changing by the minute !! ;D
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I started a trensomnia thread along time ago. you can search it in the search box. I can only handle 300mg of ttren but it still works fine. but I still have some trensonnia. and I know I shoulodn't preach this and I get a legit prescirption anyway but xanax works the best for me. But if you do not have a prescription for it I wouldn't use it. It is super addictive but effective when dealing with trensomnia same with klonopin. most benzos will do the trick but this is kind of against the rules to post scehduled meds that are addictive are no joke. try some melatonin first.Nyquil will work but like you said you will wake up with a dry mouth feeling groggy!I never feel like that on benzos. Not preaching benzo usage it just works for me! I take it for other reasons too. just wokrs great for trensomnia. xanax is a scedule 4 drug and AAS is a schedule 3 drug so actually roids are a more highly scheduled narcotic. not sure why. roids are not addictive in my eyes
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what is your body fat mon of steele?
i did not get this reaction from his tren whatsoever, and I straight up ABUSE it as you know.
i am so sorry about the GH. obviously this is the difference. i am on 20 iu of real blues. i honestly do not love running tren without GH, but i get nowhere near thhe kinds of sides you just described, even at a 150 mg daily (never done 200 without gh).
Same here. Bumped it to 700 for the past week and no sides at all
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I started a trensomnia thread along time ago. you can search it in the search box. I can only handle 300mg of ttren but it still works fine. but I still have some trensonnia. and I know I shoulodn't preach this and I get a legit prescirption anyway but xanax works the best for me. But if you do not have a prescription for it I wouldn't use it. It is super addictive but effective when dealing with trensomnia same with klonopin. most benzos will do the trick but this is kind of against the rules to post scehduled meds that are addictive are no joke. try some melatonin first.Nyquil will work but like you said you will wake up with a dry mouth feeling groggy!I never feel like that on benzos. Not preaching benzo usage it just works for me! I take it for other reasons too. just wokrs great for trensomnia. xanax is a scedule 4 drug and AAS is a schedule 3 drug so actually roids are a more highly scheduled narcotic. not sure why. roids are not addictive in my eyes
x2, but still the damn night sweats, and the side effects of tren just aren't worth it imo.
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I started a trensomnia thread along time ago. you can search it in the search box. I can only handle 300mg of ttren but it still works fine. but I still have some trensonnia. and I know I shoulodn't preach this and I get a legit prescirption anyway but xanax works the best for me. But if you do not have a prescription for it I wouldn't use it. It is super addictive but effective when dealing with trensomnia same with klonopin. most benzos will do the trick but this is kind of against the rules to post scehduled meds that are addictive are no joke. try some melatonin first.Nyquil will work but like you said you will wake up with a dry mouth feeling groggy!I never feel like that on benzos. Not preaching benzo usage it just works for me! I take it for other reasons too. just wokrs great for trensomnia. xanax is a scedule 4 drug and AAS is a schedule 3 drug so actually roids are a more highly scheduled narcotic. not sure why. roids are not addictive in my eyes
I'm sure you sleep like a baby lol
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the moment you stop trenbolona usage ...you start regressing,, you may not notice it very fast ,, but take picture after 20-30 days...youwil see your surface ...you actual lean muscle is going down down ,, you know the song of bruce ...im going down down down down ,,
moment you stop trenbolona your physiqe losing dimentions of lean muscle ,, the seperation is reduced and muscles get fatter ,, it is hard to explain but easy to see in pictures,, take pictures same pose...and you will see how your chest suddenly doesnt look as big or as thick or as popping or as seperated...and its true to other body parts ,, so you may be 219 lb ....but when you were 205lb on that trenbolona....thoe 205 lb looked much better ..bigger...larger... leaner and more quality ofo muscle and seperation
rememebr friends! if you cant see it ....its not there,, you cant walk in street tell the whores,,, excuse me miss but i realy do have muscle its just hiden under my 38 inch waist or you realy cansee my upper back seperation but it needs to be in the right light lol,, it doesnt work this way
in bodybuild you NEED to see it ! ,, and inorder to see it trenbolona is major maor part of the equation ,,
the only thing that sperate good physiqe from great physiqe is ....taking out the gh
when you take out the gh and leave in the trenbolona...you get your good physiqe that had some water on it and blurred the lines to some degre...into great physiqe that is shredded within weeks...
then you have to go bck on hgh...so the process of mutatition can continue...since you dont want to walk dry 5-6 % alwys ...you want to grow at 6-8% with hgh in the blood
gh15 approved
This is why gh15 is so important to getbig. The man is poet genious. You make tren sound so damn good. I'm going to try it again one of these days. I will do it right this time.
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This is why gh15 is so important to getbig. The man is poet genious. You make tren sound so damn good. I'm going to try it again one of these days. I will do it right this time.
It really is though. I could live without eq, deca, drol, dbol, var, winny, npp, mast... but tren is fucking irreplacable. It's just so damn powerful and makes being big and lean a joke.
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It really is though. I could live without eq, deca, drol, dbol, var, winny, npp, mast... but tren is fucking irreplacable. It's just so damn powerful and makes being big and lean a joke.
I took it on and off a few years ago. I would do it for awhile stop and then like gh15 says you get fatter or something. I was hooked on the tren look. I would hop right back on. I went through a bunch of bottles about 12-15 bottles. When they were gone I never bought tren again. When I came off I felt really weird mentally for awhile. I must of had a bad flucuation in hormones. I felt clinically depressed for about 2-3 months. I remeber being at a gorgeous restraunt sitting outside in the son with my gf and just feeling fucken misserable. I should have felt great. The day is burned in my mind for some reason.
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does that sound worth it Mak, feeling like that?
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I was worried about the Trensomia since I have trouble sleeping anyways.... First time ever running it... doing 100 mg everyday(yes some may say its too much for first time use). Starting to get crazy pumps, veins showing up in random places, muscles look more full.... I have been sweating my ass off beat sleep hasn't been much of a problem. Although I'm prescribed 50 mg of Valium daily :) Go to your doc and tell him you are experience some bad anxiety and it's affecting your daily life. He will most likely put you on klonopin or generic name clonzeapam.... not as long of a half life as valium but it should do the trick... also try some benadryl if you dont go that route... i used to take ambien but it stopped working.... before that benadryl did the trick for me... try it out...
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This is why gh15 is so important to getbig. The man is poet genious. You make tren sound so damn good. I'm going to try it again one of these days. I will do it right this time.
Yeah the man always reminds everyone of the fundamentals. Thank God gh15's back.
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I'm sure you sleep like a baby lol
you know I do-lol. the trouble is getting out of bed.
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A few suggestions:
1. Shoot the Tren in the morning. I found that if I wait until the afternoon or night to do it, my sleep is disturbed way more.
This and the other suggestions from 202-Freak are the best way to handle the neg effects of Tren.
Two others I would add are (1) drink more water daily and before you go to bed and (2) take a Night time excedren to help you sleep and Thin your blood.
tren works your body double time and for that reason you need to hydrate more, especially if you are on Equipona which thickens your blood.
Don't stop, drop dose down for a day or so then ramp back up using advice in this thread.
Adapt, mutate, blot out the sun.
War
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Tren have a unique effect in one's physique but if you are not competing (and even if you were) there are lot's of alternative steriods: primobolan, winstrol, proviron/masteron, equipoise...
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Yes, continue doing the drugs that are causing harm to your body.
HTH.
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Yes, continue doing the drugs that are causing harm to your body.
HTH.
lol
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This is why gh15 is so important to getbig. The man is poet genious. You make tren sound so damn good. I'm going to try it again one of these days. I will do it right this time.
EVERYONE likes GH15. This is a fact and no one wants him to leave. He gives great info and is a cool cat. It's just when the other "elves" jump into threads and attack people, post bullshit etc... that it ruins everything. Gh15 does give great feedback and info.
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EVERYONE likes GH15. This is a fact and no one wants him to leave. He gives great info and is a cool cat. It's just when the other "elves" jump into threads and attack people, post bullshit etc... that it ruins everything. Gh15 does give great feedback and info.
speak for yourself and the gimmick is many people.
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speak for yourself and the gimmick is many people.
alex is frastrated that he can not pin point who gh15 is and never will be ,, i am protectd so well ,, i have such powerfeul suppliers who protect me who actualy are honest and decent and supply good service....that alex haev smoke coming through his nose and ears...
i have elfs who protect me ,, i have the truth who protect me i have washington dc who protect me
gh15 approved
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alex is frastrated that he can not pin point who gh15 is and never will be ,, i am protectd so well ,, i have such powerfeul suppliers who protect me who actualy are honest and decent and supply good service....that alex haev smoke coming through his nose and ears...
i have elfs who protect me ,, i have the truth who protect me i have washington dc who protect me
gh15 approved
drops monocle into Cognac
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Dropped the tren down to below the 1/2 ml mark and the sides are not bad. That night I had the bad sides it was closer to 100mg/1ml. Seems like I need to cruise and up it slowly