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Godfather fans?
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Definitely. Fredo was the weak link. You saw how pussified he was compared to his brothers. He was like the retarded son with a dash of feminine tendencies. The Corleone jester.
He had to go.
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Fredo had an illness as a baby (you see a brief scene). I think the virus and/or high fever effected his brain. He grew up to be mentally slow.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Definitely. Fredo was the weak link. You saw how pussified he was compared to his brothers. He was like the retarded son with a dash of feminine tendencies. The Corleone jester.
He had to go.
I heard he actually had kennedy genes,
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He went against the familia didn`t he ?
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He went against the familia didn`t he ?
Never take sides against the family!
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yes...the retard needs death!
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Fredo enjoyed watching Superman in action down in the Cuban porn houses...he was a Corleone schmoe.
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Anyway,it was nothing personal.............str ictly business! ;)
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"You BROKE my heart Fredoooo"
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I loved the part where Fredo told Michael that he was upset that he was passed over for the position of Don in the family
Michael: "It's the way pa wanted it".
Fredo: "But it's not the way I wanted it...I'm smart........not like how everyone says...."
great scene that sums up everything about Fredo.
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Yes It was needed, la costra nostra is strong and more valuable then family...
Dumb Fredo almost had mikey killed , so he fucked up and needed to be put to rest permanently
Derek Anthony reminds me alot of Fredo Corleone
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Also the scene where Fredo is supposed to be guarding his father, don Corleone..... and when his father is shot in the street while buying oranges, he fumbles with the gun, drops it and then starts to cry...THATS THE SCENE WHEN YOU FIRST LEARN WHAT A FUCK-UP FREDO IS
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Jay-z shot his own brother as well however he didn't die , but his brother never wore his jeans again, Jayz had to make an example out of him to his family
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Jay-z shot his own brother as well however he didn't die , but his brother never wore his jeans again, Jayz had to make an example out of him to his family
Is that actually true?..LOL
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Is that actually true?..LOL
I think it was over some cracke jack jewlary
We used to fight every night
but I never would suffer
just smile my big brother's
tryna make me tougher
As we grew fussing and fighting continued
as I plundered through ya stuff
and snuck ya clothes to school
Got intense real intense
as we got older
Never believed it would lead
to be popped in one in ya shoulda
Where my rings? Knew you had it
'cause you took too long
as Mickey, Andy, and the girl that bought it looked on
Huffin' and puffin' gun in my hand
told you step outside
Hoping you said no but you hurt my pride
made our way down the steps
maybe you thought it was just a threat
or maybe ya life was just that crazy
and you was beggin' for death
try to justify this in my young mind
but ya drillin' it
and my ego hurt combined
drove me berzerk
Saw the devil in your eyes
high off more than weed
confused I just closed
my young eyes and squeezed
What a sound
opened my eyes just in time
to see ya stumbling to the ground
Damn what the fuck I done now
runnin' around in a circle
thinking I'm assed out
hot gun burnin' my waist
ran straight to Jazz' house
Like a stranger damn I just shot my guy
and ran off into the night as if it was not my guy
Left the scene how could I go out that way
Still you asked to see me in the hospital ya next day
You must live me
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he could have sent his brother to italy or someplace to live. Just pick a new country. If you ever come back to USA, yous a dead man.
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Jay Z ain't no Corleone
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A tad harsh to kill him, should have just kept him out of the loop like he was after Cuba.The actor who played Fredo, John Cazale,was actually with Meryl Streep during his last years and filmed his scenes in The DeerHunter first, as he was dying of cancer, he died at 42 (4 years after Godfather 2) before the film was released :'(
(http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2008/10_posthumous/cazale.jpg)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2656/3763208283_54754796b7_o.jpg)
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Every movie John Cazale appeared in was nominated for best picture...
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either way it came back to haunt him, in part 3 when he has a heart attack after the massacre he starts yelling, "Fredo", then he confesses to the Bishop
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either way it came back to haunt him, in part 3 when he has a heart attack after the massacre he starts yelling, "Fredo", then he confesses to the Bishop
Also at the end of Godfather III he is sitting in the Garden and drops dead like his father did....in the end, all that stuff he did to people, all the killing, killing his own brother...getting his own daughter killed.....it meant nothing in the end...you get old..and you die..thats it...and he died alone and suffering for all that he did
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Boat of peace ::)
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I loved the part where Fredo told Michael that he was upset that he was passed over for the position of Don in the family
Michael: "It's the way pa wanted it".
Fredo: "But it's not the way I wanted it...I'm smart........not like how everyone says...."
"... like DUMB!"
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Every movie John Cazale appeared in was nominated for best picture...
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This!
Godfather I & II
The Conversation
The Deer Hunter
Dog Day Afternoon
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Also at the end of Godfather III he is sitting in the Garden and drops dead like his father did....in the end, all that stuff he did to people, all the killing, killing his own brother...getting his own daughter killed.....it meant nothing in the end...you get old..and you die..thats it...and he died alone and suffering for all that he did
Wow, the daughter dying was his Karma
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guys , it's a movie ;D
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guys , it's a movie ;D
Wrong, it's way more then that my friend, it"s a work of art 8)
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What do you think Vito would say about killing Fredo? In my opinion there's your answer. Michael went too far and that's why he ended up the way he did.
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There was no part III.
I refuse to acknowledge that movie.
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I never saw any of them :o
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What do you think Vito would say about killing Fredo? In my opinion there's your answer. Michael went too far and that's why he ended up the way he did.
Same thing he told Sonny...."you never take sides against the family".
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I never saw any of them :o
Blasphemy!!!
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There was no part III.
I refuse to acknowledge that movie.
It does pale by comparison,but not a bad flick.........can`t hold a candle to the other two though.
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Wes, in college I once spent an entire day in bed watching Godfather I and II, Goodfellas and A Clockwork Orange with this girl who was 5'9" milky skin, great legs and ass (small boobs), and okay face. It was a moviefuckfest like no other.
LOL ;D
Great flicks,and she sounds pretty nice too ! ;)
EDIT: If you threw Casino in there too,you coulda` came without even fucking her! :D
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Wes, in college I once spent an entire day in bed watching Godfather I and II, Goodfellas and A Clockwork Orange with this girl who was 5'9" milky skin, great legs and ass (small boobs), and okay face. It was a moviefuckfest like no other.
That's awesome, I watched Godfather 1,2,3, Scarface, and King of New York in one day, didn have the chick though
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She was very nice.
A girl who is far more attractive than her facial looks would suggest, if you understand. She was sexy as hell and cool to boot.
It didn't hurt my opinion of her that I once got her drunk and joked about anal sex, and she said: "I've never tried that. Have you?"
Me: "Not yet."
Her: "you won't be able to say that tomorrow."
:D
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Definitely. Fredo was the weak link. You saw how pussified he was compared to his brothers. He was like the retarded son with a dash of feminine tendencies. The Corleone jester.
He had to go.
This.
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It does pale by comparison,but not a bad flick.........can`t hold a candle to the other two though.
The only thing good about III were Sofia Coppola's lips
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It didn't hurt my opinion of her that I once got her drunk and joked about anal sex, and she said: "I've never tried that. Have you?"
Me: "Not yet."
Her: "you won't be able to say that tomorrow."
So did her strap-on hurt? ;D
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He didn't have a choice. He was a victim of his position. That's what The Godfather series is about.
ITT: Guys who say Lou Cabratsi.
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The only thing good about III were Sofia Coppola's lips
Yes sir,I agree wholeheartedly! :D
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He didn't have a choice. He was a victim of his position. That's what The Godfather series is about.
ITT: Guys who say Lou Cabratsi.
He sleepz wit de fitches.
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I wept when Lou was eliminated. :(
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Also loved the part in Godfather One where Sonny sees that his sister was beat up by her husband and he gets so angry he bites his own hand,,,then he goes out in the street and absolutely destroys his brother in law...I love the part also when the brother-law was trying to hold on to some bars and sonny bit his hand so he would let go.....classic street fight...
Sonny was a crazy mother-fucker!!!!....however his temper was his downfall in the end
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Also loved the part in Godfather One where Sonny sees that his sister was beat up by her husband and he gets so angry he bites his own hand,,,then he goes out in the street and absolutely destroys his brother in law...I love the part also when the brother-law was trying to hold on to some bars and sonny bit his hand so he would let go.....classic street fight...
Sonny was a crazy mother-fucker!!!!....however his temper was his downfall in the end
He also bites the brother in law's hand in that scene too lol to get him to let go of the railing so he can beat his ass some more lol loved Sonny!
The only thing I loved about part 3 was the end when Michael is all old and dies on that lawn chair, I dunno why was just such a simple scene but yet so powerful, lives a crazy life with a dramatic tragedy when he loses his daughter then like everyone else he just dies on his lawn chain.
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He also bites the brother in law's hand in that scene too lol to get him to let go of the railing so he can beat his ass some more lol loved Sonny!
The only thing I loved about part 3 was the end when Michael is all old and dies on that lawn chair, I dunno why was just such a simple scene but yet so powerful, lives a crazy life with a dramatic tragedy when he loses his daughter then like everyone else he just dies on his lawn chain.
He died miserable.....there's no coming back from killing your own brother
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Also loved the part in Godfather One where Sonny sees that his sister was beat up by her husband and he gets so angry he bites his own hand,,,then he goes out in the street and absolutely destroys his brother in law...I love the part also when the brother-law was trying to hold on to some bars and sonny bit his hand so he would let go.....classic street fight...
Sonny was a crazy mother-fucker!!!!....however his temper was his downfall in the end
yes that was my favourite part, although Sonny gets it bad, the successor came from his lineage after Michael, Vincent (Andy Garcia) in part 3 was Sonny's son. If you guys remember when Sonny is banging some girl against the door at the beginning of part 1, that is Vincents mom
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Yes Fredo had to go
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Never take sides against the family!
this^^^la famiglia č pių importante
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Most "Definately"
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This!
Godfather I & II
The Conversation
The Deer Hunter
Dog Day Afternoon
"The Conversation" is the best of the lot...
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He should have laid a trap.
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He should have laid a trap.
Trannys were hard to find back then.
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"The Conversation" is the best of the lot...
I don't know, better than the Godfathers?
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I don't know, better than the Godfathers?
Yes...better than the Godfather series...most don't like it because there is less overt violence...but it is a better movie.
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Yes...better than the Godfather series...most don't like it because there is less overt violence...but it is a better movie.
thats hard to believe
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thats hard to believe
Why is it hard to believe?
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Fredo suffered brain damage from his illness as a baby. Pneumonia. Very high fever. Brain damage.
But Fredo was working with Roth to kill Michael.
Getting passed over upset Fredo.
"They said you were being tough on the negotiations." - Fredo
Fredo is referring to the Cuba casino deal. Two million dollar buy-in. Michael knows that the revolution is going to succeed. Castro in. Batista out.
"They said that there was going to be something at the end of this for me." - Fredo
"I've always taken care of you." - Michael
"Taken care of me? You're my younger brother and you're taking care of me? I'm the older brother and I was passed over. It's not the way I wanted it! I can do things. I'm smart. Not like everybody says. Not dumb. I'm smart and I want respect!" - Fredo
As dumb as he was, Fredo had to know the information Johnny Olla was asking about the compound was going to lead to an assassination attempt on Michael.
I feel sorry for his what happened to him when he was a baby. However, he had to know they were going to bump off Michael. And if he didn't, he's not just slow. He's a super retard.
Don't blame Michael for getting the job done.
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Fredo suffered brain damage from his illness as a baby. Pneumonia. Very high fever. Brain damage.
But Fredo was working with Roth to kill Michael.
Getting passed over upset Fredo.
"They said you were being tough on the negotiations." - Fredo
Fredo is referring to the Cuba casino deal. Two million dollar buy-in. Michael knows that the revolution is going to succeed. Castro in. Batista out.
"They said that there was going to be something at the end of this for me." - Fredo
"I've always taken care of you." - Michael
"Taken care of me? You're my younger brother and you're taking care of me? I'm the older brother and I was passed over. It's not the way I wanted it! I can do things. I'm smart. Not like everybody says. Not dumb. I'm smart and I want respect!" - Fredo
As dumb as he was, Fredo had to know the information Johnny Olla was asking about the compound was going to lead to an assassination attempt on Michael.
I feel sorry for his what happened to him when he was a baby. However, he had to know they were going to bump off Michael. And if he didn't, he's not just slow. He's a super retard.
Don't blame Michael for getting the job done.
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I disagree..you don't get the job done on your own brother....he could have exiled him...also Michael's own son was really close to Fredo....and also if you paid attention, during the scene when Michael's wife admits to Michael that she had an abortion, it is hinted that Michael's own children are suffering psychologically and seeing a psychiatrist as well
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There is no scene where it is said that Anthony is seeing a psychiatrist.
None.
It is not even hinted at.
All Kay says is "look at your son."
Michael says "Anthony's fine."
I have the five disc DVD set and the very rare fan assembled 588 minute set of the three films.
I know them all pretty much verbatim.
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Fredo was involved in a plot to kill Michael. How much he knew is debatable.
"You guys lied to me. Don't call me again." - Fredo, in bed, and on the phone after the Michael assassination attempt.
It was Johnny Olla calling him.
Having said that, he still deserved to die. If one of my brothers tried to kill me and failed, I would most definitely kill him without hesitation.
Michael does the right thing in waiting for his mother to die first.
If Fredo had any sense of honor, or of manhood, he would have killed himself like Frankie "Five Angels" Pentangeli did.
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I disagree..you don't get the job done on your own brother....he could have exiled him...also Michael's own son was really close to Fredo....and also if you paid attention, during the scene when Michael's wife admits to Michael that she had an abortion, it is hinted that Michael's own children are suffering psychologically and seeing a psychiatrist as well
There is a cause involved, Mike is the head of an Empire that will eventually be a billion dollar empire, thousands rely on his decisions, and that being the case he must make unbiased decisions to be worthy of leadership., he cannot view his brother's actions as "his brothers actions,he must view them as someone's actions against the cause, so in order for things not to crumble in the future the right decision must be made, resulting in a stable foundation of his Empire with the strongest of all as the leader, Had to be done
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Also loved the part in Godfather One where Sonny sees that his sister was beat up by her husband and he gets so angry he bites his own hand,,,then he goes out in the street and absolutely destroys his brother in law...I love the part also when the brother-law was trying to hold on to some bars and sonny bit his hand so he would let go.....classic street fight...
Sonny was a crazy mother-fucker!!!!....however his temper was his downfall in the end
I loved it when he grabbed the garbage can and smashes him. ;D
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Yes...better than the Godfather series...most don't like it because there is less overt violence...but it is a better movie.
Sorry. Wrong. This is a tired old argument that a lot of cineastes roll out on occasion for some kind of film 'credibility.' The Conversation is a fine film, and Hackman is superb, but it is not better than The Godfather, or Two. Those two will admired, watched, and cited as long as cinema stays in a recognizable format.
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There is a cause involved, Mike is the head of an Empire that will eventually be a billion dollar empire, thousands rely on his decisions, and that being the case he must make unbiased decisions to be worthy of leadership., he cannot view his brother's actions as "his brothers actions,he must view them as someone's actions against the cause, so in order for things not to crumble in the future the right decision must be made, resulting in a stable foundation of his Empire with the strongest of all as the leader, Had to be done
very good point..well taken...but Michael basically lost all of his humanity there.....killing your brother is always over the top...which is why the Cain and Abel story in the bible is of such prominence....Michael totally lost his soul once that deed was done...I do not think his father, the Don, would have approved of it..Michael's father was a thinker..Sonny was crazy and tempermental....Fredo was an idiot and probably not cut out for being a mobster....Michael should have been better than all of them...it made no sense to kill your half-retarded brother..plus he alienated his other "brother" Tom.
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There is no scene where it is said that Anthony is seeing a psychiatrist.
None.
It is not even hinted at.
All Kay says is "look at your son."
Michael says "Anthony's fine."
I have the five disc DVD set and the very rare fan assembled 588 minute set of the three films.
I know them all pretty much verbatim.
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Fredo was involved in a plot to kill Michael. How much he knew is debatable.
"You guys lied to me. Don't call me again." - Fredo, in bed, and on the phone after the Michael assassination attempt.
It was Johnny Olla calling him.
Having said that, he still deserved to die. If one of my brothers tried to kill me and failed, I would most definitely kill him without hesitation.
Michael does the right thing in waiting for his mother to die first.
If Fredo had any sense of honor, or of manhood, he would have killed himself like Frankie "Five Angels" Pentangeli did.
it is hinted at...
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I loved it when he grabbed the garbage can and smashes him. ;D
so did I..funny as heck and shows how crazy Sonny was....looking at that scene with a different spin, I wonder if THAT was a sort of dry run.....seeing if Sonny would come if the Brother-in -Law beat up the sister...which then set up the later assassination....because they knew Sonny would come again..OR did they notice that sonny came the first time so they set him up the second time....
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so did I..funny as heck and shows how crazy Sonny was....looking at that scene with a different spin, I wonder if THAT was a sort of dry run.....seeing if Sonny would come if the Brother-in -Law beat up the sister...which then set up the later assassination....because they knew Sonny would come again..OR did they notice that sonny came the first time so they set him up the second time....
It's because he went batshit in public instead of handling it quietly. It became public knowledge that smacking the sis around was Sonny's hotbutton and they made him jump like a marionette with it.
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very good point..well taken...but Michael basically lost all of his humanity there.....killing your brother is always over the top...which is why the Cain and Abel story in the bible is of such prominence....Michael totally lost his soul once that deed was done...I do not think his father, the Don, would have approved of it..Michael's father was a thinker..Sonny was crazy and tempermental....Fredo was an idiot and probably not cut out for being a mobster....Michael should have been better than all of them...it made no sense to kill your half-retarded brother..plus he alienated his other "brother" Tom.
very good points as well, Cain and Able is not the same scenario, although when someone kills there brother Cain and Able come to mind, however there are many stories in the Bible where someone kills their brother, the one I find closes to this scenario is when King Solomon kills his brother after he inherits the throne from his Father "King David"