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On March 16th, President Obama signed a new Executive Order which expands upon a prior order issued in 1950 for Disaster Preparedness, and gives the office of the President complete control over all the resources in the United States in times of war or emergency.
The National Defense Resources Preparedness order gives the Executive Branch the power to control and allocate energy, production, transportation, food, and even water resources by decree under the auspices of national defense and national security. The order is not limited to wartime implementation, as one of the order's functions includes the command and control of resources in peacetime determinations.
Section 101. Purpose. This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended (the "Act").
(b) assess on an ongoing basis the capability of the domestic industrial and technological base to satisfy requirements in peacetime and times of national emergency, specifically evaluating the availability of the most critical resource and production sources, including subcontractors and suppliers, materials, skilled labor, and professional and technical personnel; - White House
Additionally, each cabinet under the Executive Branch has been given specific powers when the order is executed, and include the absolute control over food, water, and other resource distributions.
Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:
(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;
(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;
(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;
(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and
(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.
(e) "Food resources" means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. "Food resources" also means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton, hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.
Executive Orders created for national defense and national preparedness are not new in American history, but in each instance they brought about a Constitutional crisis that nearly led standing Presidents to hold dictatorial power over the citizenry. During the Civil War, President Lincoln halted freedom of speech and freedom of the press, while at the same time revoking Habeas Corpus and the right to a fair trial under the sixth amendment. During World War I, when Congress refused to grant Woodrow Wilson extended power over resources to help the war effort, he invoked an Executive Order which allowed him complete control over businesses, industry, transportation, food, and other economic policies.
In both cases, it was only after the death of each President that full Constitutional powers were restored to the citizens of the United States.
The economy of the United States is based on the free flow of resources, energy, and the rights of consumers to buy and sell as they see fit. Any interference in this economic process quickly leads to shortages, rising prices, and civil unrest. The purpose of President Obama signing this new Executive Order is yet unclear, however, it may coincide with information coming out of Israel yesterday that plans for a tactical or strategic strike on Iran are accelerating. Oil prices in Europe rose over $3 a barrel for Brent crude after the Israeli actions, and US oil prices rose $2 for WTI.
The Obama administration appears to be preparing for a long drawn out war in the Middle East, or at the very least, an expected crisis that will require the need to override Constitutional authority and claim dominion over all resources in the United States under the guise of national defense. With the rise in Disaster Preparedness growing for both individuals and states leading up to yesterday's Executive Order, the mood of the nation points strongly towards some event or disaster that will require massive preparations on a national as well as local scale.
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Obama Executive Order: Peacetime Martial Law!
B4IN.net ^ | March 17, 2012 | Chris Kitze
Posted on March 17, 2012 9:36:10 PM EDT by csd
This Executive Order was posted on the WhiteHouse.gov web site on Friday, March 16, 2012, under the name National Defense Resources Preparedness. In a nutshell, it's the blueprint for Peacetime Martial Law and it gives the president the power to take just about anything deemed necessary for "National Defense", whatever they decide that is. It's peacetime, because as the title of the order says, it's for "Preparedness". A copy of the entire order follows the end of this story.
Under this order the heads of these cabinet level positions; Agriculture, Energy, Health and Human Services, Transportation, Defense and Commerce can take food, livestock, fertilizer, farm equipment, all forms of energy, water resources, all forms of civil transporation (meaning any vehicles, boats, planes), and any other materials, including construction materials from wherever they are available. This is probably why the government has been visiting farms with GPS devices, so they know exactly where to go when they turn this one on.
Specifically, the government is allowed to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate. They decide what necessary or appropriate means.
(Excerpt) Read more at b4in.net ...
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Ouch....
I keep saying it, theyre prepping for something big.....
I was just lol'ing about something like this with my friends a couple weeks ago, that a war will be manufactured and then Obama will declare emergency powers and stay in office a 3rd term, then he'll reorganize the US in to the 1st "world empire", lulz.
He has a reason to pass something like this. They dont just do this unless theyre worried about something.
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If this were GWB the left would explode!
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NDAA, this, him just passing the bill outlawing free speech in the presence of the SS, SOPA, PIPA... what are they passing all these things for? (Yes I realize SOPA and PIPA didnt pass, yet. They will. Theyll re-word them and issue them as something else)
What the hell is coming down the pipe that theyre so scared of that theyre passing bills that give when, added together, give them basically unlimited power over the public? And why the fuck are we letting them?
We didnt even hear about this until he fucking signed it!
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NDAA, this, him just passing the bill outlawing free speech in the presence of the SS, SOPA, PIPA... what are they passing all these things for? (Yes I realize SOPA and PIPA didnt pass, yet. They will. Theyll re-word them and issue them as something else)
What the hell is coming down the pipe that theyre so scared of that theyre passing bills that give when, added together, give them basically unlimited power over the public? And why the fuck are we letting them?
We didnt even hear about this until he fucking signed it!
I am convinced that Obama is the perfect foil for the NWO as his being black insulates him from rebuke and he gets the 50 percent of absolute morons and idiots in this country running cover for him no matter what based on racial solidarity.
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NDAA, this, him just passing the bill outlawing free speech in the presence of the SS, SOPA, PIPA... what are they passing all these things for? (Yes I realize SOPA and PIPA didnt pass, yet. They will. Theyll re-word them and issue them as something else)
What the hell is coming down the pipe that theyre so scared of that theyre passing bills that give when, added together, give them basically unlimited power over the public? And why the fuck are we letting them?
We didnt even hear about this until he fucking signed it!
notice how these things are never up for debate and always happen on a Friday night?
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What worries me more is that the really bad ones fly through congress with almost no votes against...
The fact that congress is railroading things like NDAA through with barely any no's is what really bothers me.... Its like theyre drawing a line between us and them and people wont even see it.
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What worries me more is that the really bad ones fly through congress with almost no votes against...
The fact that congress is railroading things like NDAA through with barely any no's is what really bothers me.... Its like theyre drawing a line between us and them and people wont even see it.
my last acquisition entails farm land in the catskills or adirondacks in NYS. Hve everythig else. I really don't see anything good in the next 10 years.
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Here's the actual order if anyone's interested:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness
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Here's the actual order if anyone's interested:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness
The Congress needs to reign in this power mad freak ASAP.
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If this were GWB the left would explode!
Hey, drop the left right bullshit finally. We can go back and forth over that crap all day and night. Some would want us to spend our time doing exactly that. Stop fucking promoting it for fucking sake. You're right about a lot of this shit but you're not going to be convincing the masses here by ending everything with "the commie left did it" bullshit.
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Hey, drop the left right bullshit finally. We can go back and forth over that crap all day and night. Some would want us to spend our time doing exactly that. Stop fucking promoting it for fucking sake. You're right about a lot of this shit but you're not going to be convincing the masses here by ending everything with "the commie left did it" bullshit.
Hugo - why did Bush leave office w 23 percent approval? Hint hint . . . .
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Hugo - why did Bush leave office w 23 percent approval? Hint hint . . . .
I have a confession to make... My real name is actually Hugo Chavez.
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I have a confession to make... My real name is actually Hugo Chavez.
starting in 2005, the GOP started to get sick to death of bush bullshit and stopped him on Harriet meirs, Dubai ports, amnesty for illegals, TARP 1, and some other shit.
So far the hard leftists and libs have not o much as said a freaking peep about anything Obama has done and won't do so in a second term either.
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starting in 2005, the GOP started to get sick to death of bush bullshit and stopped him on Harriet meirs, Dubai ports, amnesty for illegals, TARP 1, and some other shit.
So far the hard leftists and libs have not o much as said a freaking peep about anything Obama has done and won't do so in a second term either.
Ok, I admit, I am actually the real Hugo Chavez. I'm sick right now and I'm in Cuba getting the best treatment I can but hopefully I will get better soon.
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Ok, I admit, I am actually the real Hugo Chavez. I'm sick right now and I'm in Cuba getting the best treatment I can but hopefully I will get better soon.
You know I am right on this.
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BREAKING NEWS: Obama Executive Order: Peacetime Martial Law Signed 3/16/2012
Journal of Constitutional Reset from Virginia ^ | 3/18/2012 | Constitutional Reset
Posted on March 18, 2012 6:48:33 AM EDT by VaConstitution
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness
The usurper BHO is stiff arming our 'You keep the change.' plans with the full force of the usurped government.
On the worst days of King George's madness he never had such presumptuous conceit as is ordinary for BHO & crew. This execution of this EO was prepared for by the NDAA and the unPatriot Act. Now you can know the tree by its fruit. With BHO's 'Preparedness' EO you now have 'War is Peace'.
BHO's executive order establishes Crony Communism in the United States. All other law but 'commissar' whim is ordered ephemeral under the appetite of the 'commissars' now. The government's officers have shed their oath-bound-official-capacity and have made themselves into vain idols conceiting the ultimate authority over all property and human activity.
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You know I am right on this.
I also occasionally eat twinkies and was upset at the news that the company recently declared bankruptcy. :'(
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Hey, drop the left right bullshit finally. We can go back and forth over that crap all day and night. Some would want us to spend our time doing exactly that. Stop fucking promoting it for fucking sake. You're right about a lot of this shit but you're not going to be convincing the masses here by ending everything with "the commie left did it" bullshit.
DITTO!!!
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I am convinced that Obama is the perfect foil for the NWO as his being black insulates him from rebuke and he gets the 50 percent of absolute morons and idiots in this country running cover for him no matter what based on racial solidarity.
Since when does being black insulate you from rebuke?
I regularly get pillaried, ...even when I'm not even doing anything wrong.
...and when the heck did Palin supporters run cover for him based on racial solidarity? ;D
I won't deny there are probably large amounts of people who support him for no other reason than the fact that he's Black,
...but at the same time, there are probably equally large, if not greater numbers of people who oppose him for that very same reason as well.
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Code Pinko and their ilk have been pretty quiet the last 3 years. ::)
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Obama signed a new Exec. Order in the night that allows him to take over all libertys 3/16/12
Posted by Americanmom on March 17, 2012 at 12:00pm
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Did you know that King O. signed a new exec. order that let's the goverment take over now if they choose?
"Planning martial Law in advance of CANCELING the election?” "
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness
The Exec.Order allows the nationalization of pretty much the entire USA even in peacetime if he desires. They can, under this order, restrict civilian travel by any mode, including (probably) foot travel. They can ration food. They can restrict water usage, even from private wells. They can ration any and all drugs, including OTC and vitamins. They can collectivize farms. They can take over all energy production, including home solar units.
It also allows for drafting civilians. If they have need of your skills, they can compel you to work for no compensation.
All this not in a time of war, but in time of “National Emergency” (several EO national emergency states already in place) or even in Peacetime
controlling the food:
That’s in there:
Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:
(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;
(e) “Food resources” means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. “Food resources” also means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton, hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.
(f) “Food resource facilities” means plants, machinery, vehicles (including on farm), and other facilities required for the production, processing, distribution, and storage (including cold storage) of food resources, and for the domestic distribution of farm equipment and fertilizer (excluding transportation thereof).
They can take charge of all aspects of food production and processing.
control energy:
PART II - PRIORITIES AND ALLOCATIONS
Sec. 201 ...
(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to ALL FORMS of energy; ...
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PART VIII - GENERAL PROVISIONS
Sec. 801. Definitions.
(b) "Energy" means all forms of energy including petroleum, gas (both natural and manufactured), electricity, solid fuels (including all forms of coal, coke, coal chemicals, coal liquification, and coal gasification), solar, wind, other types of renewable energy...
control working for no money:
Sec. 502. Consultants. The head of each agency otherwise delegated functions under this order is delegated the authority of the President under sections 710(b) and (c) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(b), (c), to employ persons of outstanding experience and ability without compensation and to employ experts, consultants, or organizations. The authority delegated by this section may not be redelegated
Here’s your Civilian Military Force (Brown Shirts?)
PART V - EMPLOYMENT OF PERSONNEL
Sec. 501. National Defense Executive Reserve. (a) In accordance with section 710(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(e), there is established in the executive branch a National Defense Executive Reserve (NDER) composed of persons of recognized expertise from various segments of the private sector and from Government (except full time Federal employees) for training for employment in executive positions in the Federal Government in the event of a national defense emergency.
(b) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall issue necessary guidance for the NDER program, including appropriate guidance for establishment, recruitment, training, monitoring, and activation of NDER units and shall be responsible for the overall coordination of the NDER program. The authority of the President under section 710(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(e), to determine periods of national defense emergency is delegated to the Secretary of Homeland Security.
TELL EVERYONE, NOW IS THE TIME TO PEACEFULLY LET YOUR VOICES BE HEARD!
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Can one obama thug defendthis?
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Mhhh... so we're stuck inside a bad 1984 LSD trip?
3333 - cock your gun and keep the gold close to your heart. :)
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Another Obama Power Grab-breathtaking presidential powers over key sectors of the economy
FrontPage Magazine ^ | March 19, 2012 | Joseph Klein
The Obama administration issued a new executive order last Friday entitled “National Defense Resources Preparedness.” The Executive Order cited the powers granted to the president by the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended, and the president’s constitutional authority as commander-in-chief as the basis for asserting more breathtaking presidential powers over key sectors of the U.S. economy, not only during wars and national emergencies, but also during peacetime.
The new executive order gives the president and his executive branch agency heads far more power than was contemplated by Congress in the Defense Production Act (“Act”).
At least, the definition of “national defense” in both the Act and executive order are the same:
programs for military and energy production or construction, military or critical infrastructure assistance to any foreign nation, homeland security, stockpiling, space, and any directly related activity. Such term includes emergency preparedness activities conducted pursuant to title VI of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. 5195 et seq., and critical infrastructure protection and restoration.
The difference lies in how much discretion the president has to intervene in and control major portions of the economy if he or his delegated agency heads believe it is appropriate to do so to promote the national defense.
The Act authorizes the president to prioritize contract performance and to “allocate materials, services, and facilities in such manner, upon such conditions, and to such extent as he shall deem necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense.” The executive order follows this statutory grant as far as it goes, but then goes much further, particularly with respect to the energy industry.
Part II of Obama’s executive order (“Priorities and Allocations”) delegates to a broad array of executive agency heads the president’s authority over contract prioritization and allocation of materials, services and facilities across all major segments of the private sector economy, including agriculture, “all forms of energy,” “health resources,” “all forms of civil transportation,” “water resources,” and a catch-all for “all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.”
The executive order delegates to the agency heads, with policy and oversight responsibilities affecting all these different industries, the authority to “issue regulations to prioritize and allocate resources and establish standards and procedures by which the authority shall be used to promote the national defense, under both emergency and non-emergency conditions.” Their authority is be exercised to support programs deemed by the secretary of defense, secretary of energy or secretary of homeland security to be necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense.
The Defense Production Act does not purport to affect so many industries. For example, nowhere are “health resources” even mentioned, much less defined, in the Act, as it is in the executive order.
The executive order is particularly over-reaching concerning the energy industry sector. When setting forth the president’s powers with respect to “the allocation of, or the priority performance under contracts or orders…relating to, materials, equipment, and services in order to maximize domestic energy supplies,” the Defense Production Act places strict conditions on the exercise of such powers.
Specifically, the Act states that the statutory authority to exercise such presidential powers:
may not be used to require priority performance of contracts or orders, or to control the distribution of any supplies of materials, services, and facilities in the marketplace, unless the President finds that—
(A) such materials, services, and facilities are scarce, critical, and essential—
(i) to maintain or expand exploration, production, refining, transportation;
(ii) to conserve energy supplies; or
(iii) to construct or maintain energy facilities; and
(B) maintenance or expansion of exploration, production, refining, transportation, or conservation of energy supplies or the construction and maintenance of energy facilities cannot reasonably be accomplished without exercising the authority specified in paragraph (1) of this subsection.
The Obama administration’s executive order skips right over the special statutory limitations on its executive authority to intervene in the energy industry sector. Instead, the Obama administration gives itself the direct authority to centrally manage the entire energy industry, encompassing fossil fuels and all forms of alternative energy, whenever and however it deems “necessary” or “appropriate” to promote the national defense.
In short, with its executive order in hand, the anti-fossil fuel Obama administration will have unfettered powers to manage “all forms of energy,” including its “production, conservation, use, control, and distribution.” Energy Secretary Steven Chu will be able to direct the allocation of private resources to the Obama administration’s green energy projects and clamp down further on fossil fuel production without having to worry about Congress getting in the way.
Chu can decide, for example, that the current level of carbon fuel production and usage in this country is creating a risk of global climate change, resulting severe storm damage that could conceivably imperil our national defense. He has the authority to make such a determination and issue regulations on his own initiative under the executive order. Forget about the Environmental Protection Agency. The Obama administration has found a better shortcut to impose cap and trade type restrictions through “allocation” of “energy resources” so long as the Energy Secretary determines in writing that it is an “appropriate” means to “promote “national defense” (which, don’t forget, includes “energy production” as part of its definition).
The executive order grants to the president’s executive branch agency heads the authority to manage much of the rest of the economy as well, if deemed “appropriate” to “promote” national defense under programs approved by the secretary of defense, secretary of energy or secretary of homeland security. This includes health care (or, as the executive order refers to it, “health resources”). The term “health resources,” by the way, means “drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment required to diagnose, mitigate or prevent the impairment of, improve, treat, cure, or restore the physical or mental health conditions of the population.”
Thus, Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius will have even more power than Obamacare provides her to prioritize and allocate all the nation’s “health resources” as she sees fit, including under “non-emergency conditions,” as long as it can be justified as “appropriate” to “promote” the broadly defined “national defense.”
In addition to citing the Defense Production Act, the Obama administration also bases its far-reaching grab for power over the American economy on the president’s constitutional powers as commander-in-chief. The problem for Obama is that another Democratic president, Harry Truman, tried such an assertion of power during wartime and was slapped down by the Supreme Court. In a 1952 case, Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. 579 (1952) – decided two years after the original Defense Production Act and while the Korean War was still underway – the Supreme Court held that the president did not have inherent constitutional powers to direct the secretary of commerce to take possession of and operate most of the nation’s steel mills. “The order cannot properly be sustained as an exercise of the President’s military power as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces,” the Supreme Court concluded.
President Obama has once again grossly overstepped the bounds of his authority. While not yet posing a threat of all-out martial law, as some have suggested, Obama’s latest executive order represents another blatant move of his toward centralized government control of the American economy.
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Glen Beck pointed out that this has been in place since the Korean war and never used. He said Bush1 and Bush 2 each updated it twice. Beck did not say if clinton did or not.
His co-host seemed to complain about it, but Beck brought some levity to the matter. It's been in place since 1959.
And unless you have been bitching about the readiness act under Bush (and yes, many of you did), your bitching about it now is just political bullshit.
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Glen Beck pointed out that this has been in place since the Korean war and never used. He said Bush1 and Bush 2 each updated it twice. Beck did not say if clinton did or not.
His co-host seemed to complain about it, but Beck brought some levity to the matter. It's been in place since 1959.
And unless you have been bitching about the readiness act under Bush (and yes, many of you did), your bitching about it now is just political bullshit.
Normally when Obama does shit late on a Friday night its not a good thing.
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Normally when Obama does shit late on a Friday night its not a good thing.
i dont like the bill either. i was one of the CTer bitching about it when Bush did it. It's shady as fck. I'm only pointing out what Beck said today. He dislikes obama, but he was pretty rational about this.
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Glen Beck pointed out that this has been in place since the Korean war and never used. He said Bush1 and Bush 2 each updated it twice. Beck did not say if clinton did or not.
His co-host seemed to complain about it, but Beck brought some levity to the matter. It's been in place since 1959.
And unless you have been bitching about the readiness act under Bush (and yes, many of you did), your bitching about it now is just political bullshit.
Imagine that here.
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Imagine that here.
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From what I understand the difference w what obama did is that he expanded to this non-emergency things.
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Yeah - all objections are racist to the regime.
Got it.
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From what I understand the difference w what obama did is that he expanded to this non-emergency things.
I agree its not a good thing.
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Yeah - all objections are racist to the regime.
Got it.
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I know youre just trolling him..
But the fact is the moment we stop questioning the government, EVERYTHING about them, is the moment that we lose our country.
Our job as citizens is to question EVERYTHING they do and take nothing they give us at face value, because history teaches us that every single government has the possibility of turning hostile to its citizens, the US is no different.
So while your mocking of 333 for trolling is the lulz, its not really conducive to keeping the government honest, because lets face it, the ideal way for a government to become oppresive is for its own citizens to ridicule and discredit those who speak out against the government or question them.
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I know youre just trolling him..
But the fact is the moment we stop questioning the government, EVERYTHING about them, is the moment that we lose our country.
Our job as citizens is to question EVERYTHING they do and take nothing they give us at face value, because history teaches us that every single government has the possibility of turning hostile to its citizens, the US is no different.
So while your mocking of 333 for trolling is the lulz, its not really conducive to keeping the government honest, because lets face it, the ideal way for a government to become oppresive is for its own citizens to ridicule and discredit those who speak out against the government or question them.
I am all for questioning the government. What i am not for is selling out my common sense and integrity in doing so. if Chicken Little 33333 would practice some intellectual honesty and integrity he would go farther with his message.
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I am all for questioning the government. What i am not for is selling out my common sense and integrity in doing so. if Chicken Little 33333 would practice some intellectual honesty and integrity he would go farther with his message.
I feel he's right in questioning Obama's BC, as there is enough of things not adding up to bring up legitimate questions, however I think there is more important things to worry about because as long as the atmosphere that "anyone who questions Obama is a crazy man" that they have created exists, the media wont go near it and its a waste of time.
But something definatley stinks with his documents, enough that should warrant investigation. But I dont think itll go anywhere, theyll just come up with better forgeries. Itll never be exposed, which is a shame, but really forged documents do not prove he was born in another country, could be as simple as they couldnt find his original BC so they had to steal one from a dead person. Who knows.
The implications of having someone hold office and all the policies he railroaded through be fraudulent, well I dont think anyone is ready to deal with that can of worms.
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I feel he's right in questioning Obama's BC, as there is enough of things not adding up to bring up legitimate questions, however I think there is more important things to worry about because as long as the atmosphere that "anyone who questions Obama is a crazy man" that they have created exists, the media wont go near it and its a waste of time.
But something definatley stinks with his documents, enough that should warrant investigation. But I dont think itll go anywhere, theyll just come up with better forgeries. Itll never be exposed, which is a shame, but really forged documents do not prove he was born in another country, could be as simple as they couldnt find his original BC so they had to steal one from a dead person. Who knows.
The implications of having someone hold office and all the policies he railroaded through be fraudulent, well I dont think anyone is ready to deal with that can of worms.
You know what is most funny - I freely admit i post of a lot of silly shit. But I also post TONS of very good stuff too.
I get attacked for posting the silly shit, and those silly ones are the threads with the most action. When I try to get a discussion going on the serious stuff - the same people who attAck me for the silly shit - never say boo about the srious stuff.
And funny too - not one single obama voter has yet to admit they got conned on obamacare.
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As far as this bill goes, its not the same it has been, so yeah its a huge cause of concern, its one thing to have emergency powers in time of war, its another altoghether to have them in times of peace.
So yes 240, this is a big fucking deal. Never has a president been able to just take control of the country under the guise of "defense" during peacetime.
Emergency Executive decisions in wartime? Absolutley, shit happens on the fly, you cant wait for a session of congress to convene when shits going down NOW.
Peace time? Absolutley fucking not, its just a way for them (whichever president decides to use it) to decide they can do whatever the fuck they want without dealing with the system of checks and balanced under the guise of "defense". Obama has taken Bush's M.O. and gone 1000000x farther, and for the worse.
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I feel he's right in questioning Obama's BC, as there is enough of things not adding up to bring up legitimate questions, however I think there is more important things to worry about because as long as the atmosphere that "anyone who questions Obama is a crazy man" that they have created exists, the media wont go near it and its a waste of time.
But something definatley stinks with his documents, enough that should warrant investigation. But I dont think itll go anywhere, theyll just come up with better forgeries. Itll never be exposed, which is a shame, but really forged documents do not prove he was born in another country, could be as simple as they couldnt find his original BC so they had to steal one from a dead person. Who knows.
The implications of having someone hold office and all the policies he railroaded through be fraudulent, well I dont think anyone is ready to deal with that can of worms.
Either there is legit evidence of him not being born here or there is not. So far, none of the arguments for him not being born here have panned out. Simple as that. I have given everyone of the arguments an unbiased initial look. After further review and research, none of them have been proven significant enough to warrant me changing my position and if you took the time to follow the arguments in detail on some of the threads you would see lunacy of the birther position. Essentially cherry picking info, making your mind up first then only paying attention to info that is deemed supported of the initial belief. Basically a ridiculous way of finding the truth. That in its self deserves ridicule and i make no apologies for it.
As for whether or not something "stinks", no i don't think so because if something actually stunk, the SHIT would have been found by now. (not to say i don't think it should be ignored) What you do have is IDIOTS like the cold case posse and ignorant morons who see it as gospel.
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I wonder who Barry thinks he's going to get to do this. Federal law enforcement would last about a week against the Texas National Guard.....we're not mobilizing against our own people. The retards doing Occupy aren't the same as moving against Tea Partiers or even the folks who went to John Stuarts deal. Oddly barry and chewbacca sent this out today.....yeah we're still not voting for him.
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Maybe your right.
It’s great that the Age of Hope & Change has been such a boon to the guns and ammo business, but in light of alarming preparations to impose martial law, this is ominous:
As many as 450 million rounds of .40-caliber ammunition are being produced for U.S. government agencies by ATK of Minnesota.
The order comes under an indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement for HST bullets.
“We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40-caliber duty ammunition for (Homeland Security), ICE,” said Ron Johnson, president of ATK’s Security and Sporting group. “The HST is a proven design that will continue to serve those who keep our borders safe.”
Whatever Homeland Security plans to do with this potent hollow-point ammo, it won’t be keeping our borders safe, if the past three years are any guide. More likely it will be keeping the Regime safe from “terrorists” — i.e., those of us still American enough not to be on board with “fundamental transformation.”
Obama’s Weather Underground friends, who launched his political career, estimated that 25 million “diehard capitalists” would have to be “eliminated” before Hopey Change could be imposed on the USA in all its utopian splendor. That gives Homeland Security 18 rounds for each of us.
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.......so true.
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Either there is legit evidence of him not being born here or there is not. So far, none of the arguments for him not being born here have panned out. Simple as that. I have given everyone of the arguments an unbiased initial look. After further review and research, none of them have been proven significant enough to warrant me changing my position and if you took the time to follow the arguments in detail on some of the threads you would see lunacy of the birther position. Essentially cherry picking info, making your mind up first then only paying attention to info that is deemed supported of the initial belief. Basically a ridiculous way of finding the truth. That in its self deserves ridicule and i make no apologies for it.
As for whether or not something "stinks", no i don't think so because if something actually stunk, the SHIT would have been found by now. (not to say i don't think it should be ignored) What you do have is IDIOTS like the cold case posse and ignorant morons who see it as gospel.
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Where do you get im a birther?
Im talking about the documents being falsified, no where does that have anything to do with where he was born.
I want to know why some of the documents are questionable, I dont really give a fuck about where he was born.
And no, its not "either theres evidence or not", cause thats completely discounting other reasons that documents may have been forged that have nothing to do with where he was born, its not just a complete dismissive case cause the documents themselves dont provide evidence he wasnt born here, its a completely different case.
Thats my stance. I dont think he was born in Kenya, but if those documents are suspect than there is a reason for that, and I want to know why.
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Where did you get I was calling you a Birther?
And what evidence is there that documents have been falsified?
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Where did you get I was calling you a Birther?
And what evidence is there that documents have been falsified?
I think the fact that the records could not be found, the document having a weird 2 digit date stamp, and not really matching anything else is enough evidence for an investigation.
I dont get why you simply want to dismiss everything because it has no proof he was born elsewhere, what of the other concerns of possible false documents that has nothing to do with a foreign birth?
You act like no one should care that the docs may be suspect because it doesnt prove he was born in Kenya or whatever.
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I think the fact that the records could not be found, the document having a weird 2 digit date stamp, and not really matching anything else is enough evidence for an investigation.
the 2 digit postal stamp would be weird IF...... there was no policy by the post office to allow 2 digit year stamps and or the USPO wasn't there. Additionally, we are talking about finding documents that are 32 years old and we will never have the thousands upon thousands of mail in 1980 from Hawaii that 99.99999% likely no longer exists along with the manual postal stamps. Investigation over at this point until something better comes along.
I dont get why you simply want to dismiss everything because it has no proof he was born elsewhere, what of the other concerns of possible false documents that has nothing to do with a foreign birth?
Incorrect. I am not dismissing everything simply because there is no proof he was born elsewhere (that's flawed logic). I am dismissing he was born elsewhere because there IS proof he was born here.
You act like no one should care that the docs may be suspect because it doesnt prove he was born in Kenya or whatever.
That's not my intention to give you that impression. I think people should care. They just shouldn't stupid about it which is what 99% of Birthers are. The "other" docs and the CCP's case has been refuted soundly and based on the long list of unanswered question about their "investigation" makes them object of ridicule and points to the whole thing being more like a book publicity scam.
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Obama Preps for a ‘Non-Emergency’ Named Iran
http://noisyroom.net/blog ^ | 3.18.12 | Terresa Monroe-Hamilton
Posted on March 19, 2012 9:40:15 PM EDT by Whenifhow
On Friday, the 16th, Obama signed a new Executive Order into being and this one’s timing is very curious. Ed Morrissey (whom I highly respect) of Hot Air says that it is simply a reissue of an EO that is 18 years old, that was issued in 1994 by Bill Clinton – EO (12919). I find myself mostly in agreement with Morrissey. The EO is vague and far-reaching. Basically Morrissey points out that it simply adds the DHS to the mix of departments and is apparently just an update.
From Hot Air: In fact, that’s almost entirely what it is. The original EO dealing with national defense resources preparedness was issued in 1939 (EO 8248) according to the National Archives. It has been superseded a number of times, starting in 1951 by nearly every President through Bill Clinton, and amended twice by George W. Bush.
I find the following to be of significant relevance:
Obama has added to Section 201(b) the phrase “under both emergency and non-emergency conditions.” In 12919, though, the duties of the Cabinet Secretaries were not limited to emergency situations in Section 201(b), either. And in both EOs, section 102 specifically notes that the EO is intended to ensure defense preparedness “in peacetime and in times of national emergency.”
So, is this a signal that Obama could use his powers during a ‘non-emergency?’ I would certainly not put it past him.
Take an in-depth look at it though, because it is a significant threat to our constitutional rights. It could open the way for ‘soft martial law.’ From Examiner.com:
On March 16th, President Obama signed a new Executive Order which expands upon a prior order issued in 1950 for Disaster Preparedness, and gives the office of the President complete control over all the resources in the United States in times of war or emergency.
The National Defense Resources Preparedness order gives the Executive Branch the power to control and allocate energy, production, transportation, food, and even water resources by decree under the auspices of national defense and national security. The order is not limited to wartime implementation, as one of the order’s functions includes the command and control of resources in peacetime determinations.
And:
Additionally, each cabinet under the Executive Branch has been given specific powers when the order is executed, and include the absolute control over food, water, and other resource distributions.
That gives the President sweeping powers and should raise the alarm level in all Americans – those with a survival instinct any way.
When I first saw the Executive Order, it gave me great pause. In fact, my blood ran cold and I assumed that I was hearing that he was getting ready to declare martial law. I’m all for conspiracies, but let’s pick the right one. Not a feint to the right, when they are really dodging to the left (far left that is).
Ask yourself, why was this issued now and why this Executive Order? Three and a half years into Obama’s presidency… Nothing is what it seems in this administration, so let’s noodle on this shall we?
If you were a Progressive Marxist who was desperate to retain your hold on power in the Presidency and your numbers were dropping like a ten ton stone, what would you do? Ah, now we start looking for the real motivations here. If he follows history and the actions of past leaders, he would go to war if all else failed. Enter Iran. See the graphic below from STRATFOR:
Click here for a larger image… http://www.noisyroom.net/blog/naval.jpg
Very, very interesting. This is STRATFOR’s Naval Update Map from March 14th, 2012. (http://www.stratfor.com/image/us-naval-update-map-march-14-2012) If you were a gambler, you would call this a strategic ‘tell.’ Watch the other hand. Observations from a friend on another forum:
There are now 5 US and French carriers postured for war with Iran. If the French have a helicopter carrier in the area…that would make 6.
Desert Storm naval power was launched from the decks of 4 US carriers. Four nuclear powered large carriers are present in the mix at this time. Plus “helicopter carriers” that carry full complements of Marines and enough jets for limited strikes or general fleet defense.
http://www.history.navy.mil/wars/dstorm/sword-shield.htm
Everyone (US and Anglo/Euro/Arab Allies) is moving Subs, Frigates, Destroyers, Cruisers, Mine Warfare Ships, and Mine Hunting Air assets into the region.
The Israeli Navy passed two of their 13 large surface combatants south through the Suez Canal this week, apparently escorting a French Fleet Resupply Vessel (1 of 4 the French possess). The Israeli ships included one of their three largest corvettes and an accompanying medium missile boat, making a movement into the Red Sea not seen since 2009, when they sent a pair of much smaller (and less capable) vessels through the Canal.
Purposes? Well, if a French supply vessel were carrying critically anticipated wartime replenishment for the nuclear powered French Carrier Charles DeGaulle…someone might think that ship required escort during a time of imminent hostilities. And if every other Allied escort vessel were already east of the Suez, somebody asked the Israelis for their help. Which might indicate a little more prior coordination between Israel and the US than is being admitted in public.
Of course, the Israelis may be moving the vessels to protect their Red Sea base at Eilat, but why would they need to…unless they anticipate fireworks? The Israeli vessels are primarily equipped as SAM and SSM mission craft. Plus the usual mix of ASW, EW, guns, torpedos, CIWS. Could be useful if you were going to tee off on Palestinian forces in the Sinai and anticipated the Egyptians disputing the action…
Of course if you had passed a Dolphin submarine or two through the Canal as part of that surface movement, you’d have your national nuclear deterrent / precision strike capability a lot closer to Iran and protected in waters dominated by the worlds largest friendly naval armada…wouldn’t you? In which case, the “escort” of the French vessel was merely cover for action…to actually escort Israeli strike capability to a better postured location.
Meanwhile, US naval activity with the remainder of our carriers is…busy. There is a high level of readiness, with several amphibious carriers currently visiting the Pacific or out to sea in the Atlantic accompanying 2 more super carriers actively conducting workups…as opposed to being tied up in port. Announced Exercises and training qualifications are happening at a busy pace…and have been for the last month or so. If war comes, this country is postured to put 7-8 nuclear carriers against the problem. That’s a fairly high rate of readiness during more normal times.
In other words, US carrier availability is at about the highest potential level of availability as is possible. Everything that can sail is postured to do so or already off our coasts. No accident.
Meanwhile, the US continues to apply pressure to Iran’s economic carotid artery...
Everything fits together if you look at it right. Syria, Israel, Iran, the US… Obama is not incompetent, he does everything for a reason. He’s getting ready to dance in the Middle East, but he’s not doing it for our friend and ally Israel. No, he’s in reelection mode and he wants a whole bevy of issues swept under the carpet and a war is the perfect distraction. I don’t think he has any intention of ‘winning’ it – this is just so he can finish what he started in the US – ‘change’ the Marxist way that is.
I believe that World War III has already begun. This war will not just be Iran and the US – it will be a World War with allies on both sides of the aisle. Guess which side Russia, China, Venezuela and N. Korea will be on? This could well be not only a cyber war, but a nuclear war. Do not fool yourself into thinking that we will be safe from the war because we have an ocean between ‘us’ and ‘them.’ That is no longer true.
So why issue an EO that was already out there, merely updated with new agencies and the inclusion of non-emergency situations? My take, he’s getting everything organized for a non-emergency named Iran. With the chaos of the American Spring coming, Depression economics in place with high unemployment, inflation and an eminent stock market crash, the timing will be perfect this fall to go to war and bring the top down on America. But don’t worry, they’ll at least call it an emergency… You know just so they can finally be rid of that old, dusty document called the Constitution.
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From Atlas Shrugs: (the Executive Order)
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com
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Why Obama’s Latest Executive Order is Scary
scottfactor.com ^ | 03/20/2012 | Gina Miller
This past Friday afternoon brought a new executive order from the White House. It was titled, “National Defense Resources Preparedness.” This order sent the blogosphere and conservative news followers into a terrified frenzy. I even sent out an e-mail to many on my blast list with a link to the order on the White House website, because it is an alarming thing in light of the current communist administration in Washington.
Many people are convinced that this means Barack Obama (or whatever his name is) is setting up a situation to declare peacetime martial law in America. In fact, one of the first columns to appear in the wake of Obama’s signing of the order was on Canada Free Press. Its title was, “Obama Executive Order: Peacetime Martial Law!”
I read the executive order, and the term “martial law” was not included in it. However, the order was very disturbing, but we have to look back in our history to see that this executive order is not a new one. It has almost identical wording to an executive order signed by President Bill Clinton in 1994, but Obama’s order revokes President Clinton’s order in its entirety.
As WND’s Drew Zahn reported, President Eisenhower created the first version of this kind of executive order in 1958, and the previous version after President Clinton’s was by President George W. Bush in 2003, but President Bush’s order was mainly concerned with replacing terminology and names of departments that had been revised and created, and delegating authority to the Department of Homeland Security, which had previously not existed.
Obama’s and President Clinton’s executive orders claim to derive their power from the Cold War era Defense Production Act of 1950. I tried to find an online copy of the text of the original Act as signed in 1950, but with my limited searching, I only found an incomplete one. The Act has been amended numerous times since 1950, no doubt increasing its power each time.
Obama’s order gives the executive branch of our government, with all its agencies and secretaries, powers to commandeer most major areas of the private sector for the nebulously defined purposes of “national defense,” even during peacetime. This includes power over all forms of energy, energy use, control and distribution; all water sources in the United States; all food sources, which includes production facilities, factories, farms and farm equipment; health resources, which includes all aspects of the health care industry from drugs to diagnostic equipment to medical facilities; and civil transportation, which includes control over all movement of people and forms of transportation in the United States, and all storage and repair facilites.
WND’s Drew Zahn, in his piece from Sunday, provided a balanced look at this executive order. He noted the fear of many who saw this as a massive power grab by the Obama administration, but he went on to show that this order is basically just a revision of President Clinton’s order from 1994 to update changes in government agency structure, and he quoted from an article by Ed Morrissey from HotAir.com.
At Hot Air, Mr. Morrissey concluded his piece by saying,
“Indeed — but all of that was equally true before Obama issued an update to a 73-year-old effort that changed nothing about his executive authority and power. To the extent that we’re all more aware of it, that’s good, but we shouldn’t act as though this was an Obama novelty, and we really shouldn’t jump to conspiracy-think conclusions without understanding the history of these EOs.”
That would be all well and good, if we were dealing with a run-of-the-mill Democrat or Republican in the White House, but we’re not. Here is the distinction: Barack Obama is the most lawless president in American history. There have been bad presidents, and most of them have acted extra-constitutionally when you consider the strict limits on the executive branch, and the federal government as a whole, and how most presidents have overreached those limits. But, we have never seen such blatant disregard for the limits on the authority of the executive branch as we have seen under this mystery man, Obama. We have never seen a president spit on the authority of the co-equal branches of the federal government as we have seen under Obama. We have never seen such disdain for the United States Constitution and the rights and freedoms of the American people as we have seen under Obama.
That is what makes this latest executive order incarnation more alarming to many Americans. Today we have situations we did not have under Presidents Clinton and Bush. One difference is that there was no violent, moronic Occupy movement during their terms. The Occupy movement represents Obama’s army of useful, street idiots. It is precisely those kinds of people rioting in the streets that can easily be imagined to “cause” a situation in which the federal government under Obama decides to take a martial law-type action against the American people.
While we must keep a level perspective on the fact that this type of executive order has existed at least since the 1990s, it is still unnerving to see it being given a dusting-off update under the communist regime in Washington at this particular time.
The fact is that the United States Constitution, for all intents and purposes, is dead, and it desperately needs to be resurrected and enforced. The federal government long ago broke loose from the very limited scope of its power and authority. Long ago, the federal government trampled into the realm of the authority of the several states and the people. The major source of authority in the United States was originally intended to be reserved for the people and the states, not the federal government, whose powers were meant to be few and limited.
Ms. Publius Huldah, a retired litigation attorney in Tennessee, wrote an excellent, must-read piece titled, “Model Nullification Resolutions for State Legislatures” in which she outlines a superb set of declarations for putting the federal government back in its proper place, if only the states would have the will to do so.
She opens the proposal,
“Resolved, That the States composing the United States of America are not united on the principle of unlimited submission to the federal government; but that, with the Constitution for the United States, they established a federal government for limited purposes only. That they delegated to this federal government only limited and enumerated powers; and reserved, each State to itself, all remaining powers, along with the right to their own self-government.
That whenever the federal government assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force.”
She notes that the State Constitution of Tennessee,
"… acknowledges the Principle that the doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind."
Indeed, the very beginning of the United States of America was most certainly one of extreme resistance to the arbitrary power and oppression by King George III of England, and our forefathers with a fierce and bloody revolution threw off those shackles. Now, less than 240 years later, we have abandoned the precious founding documents that our forefathers fought so hard to bring to life.
Beginning in earnest in the early part of the 20th century, it has been a long, gradual and steady chipping away of the rights of the states and the people by the federal government that has led us to the point where we now see an administration poised to seize absolute power over the states and the people of America. It has become clear that the Congress and the Courts have no will to stand up to the tyrant Obama and his henchmen in the various agencies and czarships of the executive branch. That leaves the last bastions against the current federally tyranny being the states themselves and then the people.
One major problem with the states standing against the federal government, is that in too many cases, the federal government holds money strings over the states. Countless millions and billions of federal taxpayer dollars are given to the states for various purposes, and with that money, the federal government has leverage over the states. If you do not cooperate with the will of the federal government, you have the threat of federal funding being denied. Basically, if you take their money, they own you.
We also see that almost every time a state has undertaken to enforce laws that, for instance, protect the integrity of elections, curb the illegal alien invasion, or protect its citizens from the unconstitutional Obamacare legislation, the federal government, through the lawless Obama Justice Department, brings lawsuits against the states, and somehow, the Justice Department manages to find willing accomplices in the federal courts to impose the Obama regime’s will on the states. We are fast approaching a point at which the states will have to either take a firm stand against, or fully give in to, the tyranny of the federal government under Barack Obama.
I also have dreadful thoughts about the upcoming presidential election that I have shared with you before on this broadcast. I can see potential for the greatest case of election fraud in the history of the United States. I can see results-changing, undetectable, voting machine hacks on a grand scale, and I can see any number of ways our newly-outsourced U.S. election results reporting—now in international hands—has serious potential for fraud. And, of course, I can see the foot soldier fraudsters on the ground committing voter fraud till they’re blue in the face—especially since this communist regime under Obama is hell-bent on preventing common-sense voter ID laws from being enacted. In other words, I can see Obama being “reelected” just like Vladimir Putin was “reelected.”
Regardless—and back to the topic of this broadcast—the current executive order signed by Obama on Friday is indeed scary, simply because of who Obama and his friends are. We are dealing with a breed of radical, anti-American, anti-freedom, anti-Constitution revolutionaries in our executive branch and throughout the Congress and the Courts, and we most certainly do have cause for alarm at this supposedly innocent “updating” of an already tyrannical, unconstitutional executive order.
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