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Getbig Bodybuilding Boards => Steroids Info & Hardcore => Topic started by: SamsonD on March 22, 2012, 07:03:20 PM
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I need some help here fellas. I totally get the reasons behind cycles like what nosleep just posted. Low test high anabolics like primo, etc. But aren't we talking about very slow steady(yes quality though) gains?
I don't know any pro or even national level bodybuilders, so all I know are rumors and what not that get posted on the boards. Anyway, it seems like a gram of test is a cruise for top guys. How do they get away with it and why can't I? Is it all GH? How does GH keep the bloofyness away with test? I have read over and over again about this, but never heard why it works.
The reason for this scatterbrained post is that I need to pack on some serious size and pronto. I'm going to compete in the next few weeks and after that I am going on an all out mass phase. I'm 5 10 so I need to be a super heavy to be competitive on the national stage(I think). I'll most likely hit the stage at 210 or less. I want to hit the stage next year at 220-225, and the year after at 240+. Yes I know that is lofty goals, but that is what I'm aiming for. If I even get half that it would be OK.
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IT'S ALL GH. THEY SAY A GRAM OF TEST, BUT FORGET TO SAY 10IU GH. GH THINS U IN BUT THICKEN U OUT.
AS FOR GAINS SLOWER? NOOOOO I NOTICED EQ & PRIMO E FASTER THAN TEST E.
IF I WAS A COMPETITOR IN UR CASE. 15 IU GH ED, PRIMO 900/EQ 600/NPP 600/TEST 200. WHEN DIETING.....1 GRAM TREN A, 1 GRAM MAST P, 1 GRAM EQ THEN SWITCHED TO 1 GRAM PRIMO ACE. 20IU GH ED.
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IT'S ALL GH. THEY SAY A GRAM OF TEST, BUT FORGET TO SAY 10IU GH. GH THINS U IN BUT THICKEN U OUT.
AS FOR GAINS SLOWER? NOOOOO I NOTICED EQ & PRIMO E FASTER THAN TEST E.
IF I WAS A COMPETITOR IN UR CASE. 15 IU GH ED, PRIMO 900/EQ 600/NPP 600/TEST 200. WHEN DIETING.....1 GRAM TREN A, 1 GRAM MAST P, 1 GRAM EQ THEN SWITCHED TO 1 GRAM PRIMO ACE. 20IU GH ED.
OK, I kinda like that, and other than the primo not that pricey actually. You think I could get away with 15-20IU four days per week(training days) with slin, instead of 15 ED?
On that kind of cyle would you ever rotate GH out?
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OK, I kinda like that, and other than the primo not that pricey actually. You think I could get away with 15-20IU four days per week(training days) with slin, instead of 15 ED?
On that kind of cyle would you ever rotate GH out?
I KNOW NOTHING OF SLIN AND AM TOTALLY GOING TO AVOID IT, BUT YES 15-20 IU ON WORKOUT DAYS TAPERING UP WOULD BE SICK.
AS FOR PRIMO, IT'S REALLY NOT THAT EXPENSIVE.
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Depends how lean you are,, and previous cycle history ,, no one can just give you the maic potion,, someone with extensive knowledge who knows more about you and can see your physique ,, knows your diet(i.e how your body works) can give you some good insight,,,
Also how many compounds have you experimented with some compounds will take some experience to really benefit from them ,,, while others on first time experimentation can cause great transformations will little sides
In any case if you are trying to blow up asssuming you are 10% bf at the moment and weigh 190... if you have ran 2 -3 cycles already I would say a cycle of 600mg Test P... 400mg Masteron... 225 mg Tren A could get you into a safe 200 at 6% if diet training and rest is all above optimal after 8weeks... Then you can drop the tren switch to 1gram of test e and add 5IU a day for 4 weeks.... then run 10IU for 4 weeks... then back down to 5 IU for 4 weeks,,, after this 20 week blast you should be at 220 7-8% bf if done properly a cruise should be in order of 300 Prop or 400 test e 2IU gh (optional) and reasses goals
This is all theoretical if one was in a country were aas was legal ofcourse
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Soooo, I ran two 12 week cycles a couple years in a row, and this last 14 months or so I've been blasting cruising.
Always test and eq or deca, mostly eq in increasing amounts. A couple times I threw in some tren ace at 300 per week.
That got me up to 250 with visible abs. I'm contest dieting right now and am 3 weeks out weighing 217. 300 prop/700 tren/500 mast and 10iu per day of novos.
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i dont think i would ever want to run more than 500mg test ever
just throw in more anabolics ;D
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oh sorry brotha I miss read the post I thought you were wanting to get into a stage weight of 220s I assumed you were 180 190 ,, seems fine if you stop making progress re assess dont fix it if it aint broke
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i dont think i would ever want to run more than 500mg test ever
just throw in more anabolics
WOW ,,another 1 gram tren user
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Soooo, I ran two 12 week cycles a couple years in a row, and this last 14 months or so I've been blasting cruising.
Always test and eq or deca, mostly eq in increasing amounts. A couple times I threw in some tren ace at 300 per week.
That got me up to 250 with visible abs. I'm contest dieting right now and am 3 weeks out weighing 217. 300 prop/700 tren/500 mast and 10iu per day of novos.
What doses where u on when u got to 250 with abs?
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I KNOW NOTHING OF SLIN AND AM TOTALLY GOING TO AVOID IT, BUT YES 15-20 IU ON WORKOUT DAYS TAPERING UP WOULD BE SICK.
If using more then 15 iu a day some say even 10 you must accompany it with slim because the Gh will cause your bs to be excessively high at those amounts. Followed by carbs and boom bs in the 130s 140s
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What doses where u on when u got to 250 with abs?
1200mg sust/600mg EQ/300mg tren ace per week. And I should mention that when I say "abs" I don't mean ripped six pack, just that you can see them. I was probably 12-14%bf. I want to be 250+ and 10% or less this next "offseason".
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slow and steady gains is all there is. you think taking 100mg of superdrol the gains will stay with you once you come off? look at how big pro bodybuilders are when completely dry, munzer level of dry. they go from 25 inch arms to 20 inch arms. real quality muscle takes years to build up.
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1200mg sust/600mg EQ/300mg tren ace per week. And I should mention that when I say "abs" I don't mean ripped six pack, just that you can see them. I was probably 12-14%bf. I want to be 250+ and 10% or less this next "offseason".
Thats still crazy good where u on hgh at the time? After my cut I want to get bigger but feel like i'll gain mostly fat if not on hgh but that shit is expensive!
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IT'S ALL GH. THEY SAY A GRAM OF TEST, BUT FORGET TO SAY 10IU GH. GH THINS U IN BUT THICKEN U OUT.
AS FOR GAINS SLOWER? NOOOOO I NOTICED EQ & PRIMO E FASTER THAN TEST E.
IF I WAS A COMPETITOR IN UR CASE. 15 IU GH ED, PRIMO 900/EQ 600/NPP 600/TEST 200. WHEN DIETING.....1 GRAM TREN A, 1 GRAM MAST P, 1 GRAM EQ THEN SWITCHED TO 1 GRAM PRIMO ACE. 20IU GH ED.
you recommend this based on all the competitions you've done? ::)
in my experiences, nothing puts on SIZE like test. sure you are going to bloat, but that extra water weight will help you lift heavier and in the long run will build muscle. i keep it moderate weather i am gaining or leaning out. thats my safe bet
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yea the 200 Test is definitely questionable as far as primo goes,, I have nothing to say and In my personal opinion I think sticking with one Anabolic would be optimal...
BACK TO THE POINT
Samson D 1200sust 600eq 300tren.... you were on the right track
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you recommend this based on all the competitions you've done? ::)
in my experiences, nothing puts on SIZE like test. sure you are going to bloat, but that extra water weight will help you lift heavier and in the long run will build muscle. i keep it moderate weather i am gaining or leaning out. thats my safe bet
I DONT CARE ABOUT SIZE OR WEIGHT, I CARE ABOUT DIMENSIONS, LOOK, BODY FAT. TEST DISRUPTED THAT.
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unfortunately you are not correct in this statement.... testosterone does not cause fat gain... not controlling your estrogen causes fat gain, along with insulin spikes frequently (high sugar intake)...
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I dont get where the test causes fat gain stuff came from either, I get that water retention can blur some definition but ultimately its your diet that will dictate whether you get fat. Personally I love test its the only thing that makes me feel great mentally and really has very little sides
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I JUST THINK WHY USE TEST, IF YOU GOT PRIMO OR TREN OR EQ?
TEST CERTAINLY GIVES ME A WATERY LOOK EVEN AT LOW DOSES.
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tren is awesome but for me lots of sides insomnia, high heart rate etc. Eq is good but by itself its never given me much size or strength, in combo its great for increasing endurance and vascularity. Primo is just way too fucking expensive lol. Imo test+eq is a great cycle thats relatively healthy and wont bloat you too bad if you take a light ai
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tren is awesome but for me lots of sides insomnia, high heart rate etc. Eq is good but by itself its never given me much size or strength, in combo its great for increasing endurance and vascularity. Primo is just way too fucking expensive lol. Imo test+eq is a great cycle thats relatively healthy and wont bloat you too bad if you take a light ai
ID RATHER NOT TAKE AN AI.
EQ IS CHEAP, PRIMO IS NOT THAT EXPENSIVE. OBVIOUSLY NOT AS CHEAP AS TEST OR EQ, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY AFFORDABLE.
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I JUST THINK WHY USE TEST, IF YOU GOT PRIMO OR TREN OR EQ?
TEST CERTAINLY GIVES ME A WATERY LOOK EVEN AT LOW DOSES.
because test is great for gaining and retaining size. your gonna have to deal with being watery at times if you want to reach your full potential. after a few days without test in your system your body will go back to being dry and grainy.
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15 IU GH ED, PRIMO 900/EQ 600/NPP 600/TEST 200. WHEN DIETING.....1 GRAM TREN A, 1 GRAM MAST P, 1 GRAM EQ THEN SWITCHED TO 1 GRAM PRIMO ACE. 20IU GH ED.
That`s insane!!
I don`t know how you guys do it man ! :D
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I love the way I feel on test, and the sides for me on sust are not bad. If I get over 600-700mg of cyp or enanthate I get bloated really bad and need an AI. When using sust I can go over a gram, and yeah I hold a little water, but it wasn't bad.
I think I need to take a break from tren at least for a little bit, so I think this is where I will start:
700mg sust
440mg primo e
I've never run primo so I want to see what that will do for me first, and if I like it I will go up to 660 with it.
then maybe six weeks in add EQ and NPP at 600mg each and reduce test depending on how I look.
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I might just go ahead and run what nosleep suggested cause I really do like that!
Oh and either way I will run 10-15iu GH PWO only, with 10-15iu slin pre. Four weeks on four weeks off.
And I want to mention that I totally agree with nosleep about liking dimension and look over size and weight. I think there has to be a balance though. I want to stay lean this year but I think you have to compromise a little if you are going to truly add stage weight. If I were to try and stay 8 weeks out at all times I would be hampering my gains, I just don't want to be a big fat watery mess. I think a medium dose of test with a bunch of anabolics is probably the right path.
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Samson thats a great plan ,, if you want to run primo strickly for the knowledge and experience to see what all the fuss is about I get it been there done that ,,, I have even tried more then 1 brand HG and a few WELL KNOWN very potent UGLs ,,, IMHO its a waste of money its a milder version of Masteron,,, and really is Not needed Back in the 70s 80s you heard of it being used extensively because masteron was not around...
If it was me I would save that cash
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hmm interesting ive only heard good things about primo. I think masteron enanthate would be a nice addition to a bulk cycle
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Masteron Is Androgenic compound that does that aromatize,, it creates the dry hard look most avg. gym rats are looking for ....
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PRIMO IS NOT A WASTE & IT'S NOT LIKE MASTERON.
GET REAL PRIMO. IT IS IT'S OWN GAME. IT'S THE BASE DRUG FOR MY CYCLES....STRICTLY DEFIANT & STRANGO THO. NO BS UGLS.
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PRIMO IS NOT A WASTE & IT'S NOT LIKE MASTERON.
GET REAL PRIMO. IT IS IT'S OWN GAME. IT'S THE BASE DRUG FOR MY CYCLES....STRICTLY DEFIANT & STRANGO THO. NO BS UGLS.
primo is got stuff but is way to pricey to be used as an important part of a cycle.. 1vial primo/week is a moderate dose and is expensive.
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I have been to turkey so I know a thing or two about real and I did say IMHO,, there is no right or wrong in that case,, and for you its a base ,, Now lets POLL 1000 bodybuilders from around the world on what the base of there cycles contain i think you would get a pretty much 1 sided answer... Alot of people her rep ugls though,, I think you guys need to focus on what i pointed at in my gh thread about generics ,,, nothing can compare to HG im sorry brotha they can come close they can be overdosed but the quality is what causes mutation
Itrain
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Nothing gives me thickness like a bit of test or dbol. You just have to watch your doses. When you start to bloat back off a little. You have to be more careful with your diet. Test prop or sustanon seem to keep me full without all the water. Plus masteron helps with the bloat.
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primo is got stuff but is way to pricey to be used as an important part of a cycle.. 1vial primo/week is a moderate dose and is expensive.
1 vial of Primo is about a gram of Primo a week. That's not the "moderate" dose. I ran Daman's at 3cc's a week and was thoroughly impressed, starting Monday I'll be running 6cc a week. The cost of the Primo is like the cost of Tren or Masteron when you factor in the MG per vial.
A gram of Primo a week would be beautiful, but even 400mg + suffices. The true magic I hear is 600mg and above. But 400mg is very productive. But like any drug, more is better. In the case of Primo, it cannot be stated more so. The sides, or lack thereof, is what makes it so great.
And I agree with everything nosleep says in regards to Primo. With these sources making it affordable, it's now the base of most of my cycles for the most part too. I'll have Daman's, Defiant's, and a tiny bit of Strango's in possession and running it around 600mg a week during blasts sounds rather fun. The noticable effects of Primo on your body's dimensions is what's great. You'll see the roundness of your shoulders take part and the overall body scheme will be more of a sculpture. In a shirt, it's not as impressive as test, but without a shirt and for overall aesthetics it's a wanna-look-good-everyday type of drug. Cannot wait to see what 600mg does on me.
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Yeah there is some good UGL's selling primo for a decent price. Barely more than tren(like ten or fifteen dollars)
I really want to acheive the look some of the euro and middle eastern competitors have like at the Worlds.
Everything I understand about those guys is low or no test, high deca, primo, dbol, drol, tren etc.
I think a serious dude could put on quality size with a large dose of test and anabolics and then transition to what nosleep and sliced are talking about when prepping.
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Ten or fifteen more but also dosed 10% more. Damans is dosed super high & it's super effective for mad cheap.
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Ten or fifteen more but also dosed 10% more. Damans is dosed super high & it's super effective for mad cheap.
Not on that train yet. Someday.
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Good quality, or better yet GREAT quality, EQ and Primo are really awesome. Far superior to testosterone in regards to quality of the muscle's apperance, and ultimately that's what we strive for.
EQ has this distinct smell though, this leathery rich smell that's just amazing if you find a great source. The source I had I ran 600mg, and ", there's no must be ran for at least 12 or 15 weeks. That is absolute bullshit.
Great quality EQ, and even Primobolan, you'll notice fast. The vascular effects of this leathery smelling EQ was just amazing. I noticed absolutely no endurance benefits whatsoever, it was just veins, round shoulders, and a horse-face look. I got my cheeks sunken in and my lip structure bones puckering out. It was a tremendously pleasing drug. I like Primo more, despite the cost difference, simply due to the fact of it's impact on the shoulders were far more noticable and EQ really thickened up my blood. Bloodwork wise, Primo has done very little damage. Honestly, eating poorly 25% of the time, or even drinking a night a week, would do far more damage than what Primo has done to me. And I mean, FAR more damage.