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I have just bought some home equipment and I'm thinking about trying to work upper body + calves 4-6 days per week. Anyone ever had success with this kind of strategy?
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i wouldnt... maybe if u just want to be fit....but Idk how you could ever be recoverd if your truly breaking down the muscle the way you should be to stimulate growth.
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you'll have the best body on the beach, but no homosexual men will find your hugeness seducing - but if that's the price you wanna pay?
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i find tren ace/gh really helps me to recover well and train my whole body 3 times in 9 days- in fact you cant not train on that combo, esp when at 700-1400mg a week of ace- but there will come a time you'll fry your cns. this happened to me after about 2 months of training like this. but there is no way if your training properly you should even be able to consider training the same muscle group 4-5 times a week, no matter what you are taking, or how much of it.
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When I was 12-16 I would workout upper body and lower every other day. Good results even tho i was probably overtraining.
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gymast's probably train every thing everyday
(http://looklikeanathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/gymnast-body.jpg)
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Shit, Im sore for a week at least after squats and deadlift, doing that crap everyday would be beyond brutal. Cardio everyday sure, but not banging tin around.
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Shit, Im sore for a week at least after squats and deadlift, doing that crap everyday would be beyond brutal. Cardio everyday sure, but not banging tin around.
someone told me when i was young that if you workout sore muscles they grow back stronger. :-\
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I did some pushups a couple days ago just to fuck around since I was too lazy to go to the gym that day. I think I did a total of 100 pushups and what surprised the hell out of me the next morning was that I was sore as FUCK in my lats. Chest and triceps were fine.
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I did some pushups a couple days ago just to fuck around since I was too lazy to go to the gym that day. I think I did a total of 100 pushups and what surprised the hell out of me the next morning was that I was sore as FUCK in my lats. Chest and triceps were fine.
Are you sure you know what "lats" are ? ???
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Are you sure you know what "lats" are ? ???
Yeah man, I couldn't believe it either. Must have been the way I was doing the pushups.
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gymast's probably train every thing everyday
(http://looklikeanathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/gymnast-body.jpg)
Gymnasts do indeed look great for not being on steroids or at least not on non-stop heavy bodybuilding cycles. Leroy Colbert is an advocate of training every muscle every day as well. He says the current 1x week training can't work without steroids.
I personally also got my best results when I knew nothing about 'bodybuilding training' and just went to the gym almost daily to do about 1 exercise per muscle group.
I'd say try it, what have you got to lose? Muscle perhaps but if you're visually losing muscle, just quit and go back to less frequent sessions. Obviously you don't want to kill yourself in the gym while doing this (which you really shouldn't be doing anyway). Train smart, not hard. Never seen a big guy train hard, seen many small guys go balls out all the time. It's sad but true, most of the time the most hardcore trainees are the smallest as well.
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gymast's probably train every thing everyday
(http://looklikeanathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/gymnast-body.jpg)
Most gymnasts are on enough shit to bulk a rhino
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I hope you don't actually believe that. They may be on stuff, but nowhere near what bodybuilders are on. They are tested a lot as well and not via a Walmart doping test. I've also yet to see the bloated/grown heads seen on bodybuilders/boxers/mma fighters etc on gymnasts ;)
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YOU ONLY GROW AT REST AND WHILE YOU SLEEP !!
More isn`t always better,better is better!
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as frequency increases, intensity needs to decrease.
you can train every muscle every day if your staying far far far away from failure. like, very far away from failure.
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I think if you do 1 set of 20 squats a day, slowly increasing weight, you will grow..
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It doesn't need to be squats or the big three only, train everything daily but like tbombz said, use your fucking brain and don't start doing triple drop sets to failure each day ;D
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as frequency increases, intensity needs to decrease.
you can train every muscle every day if your staying far far far away from failure. like, very far away from failure.
Why bother ?
Pink Dumbells anyone ? :D
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Why bother ?
Pink Dumbells anyone ? :D
noting special happens when you train to failure. "stimulate, dont annihilate" - lee haney
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noting special happens when you train to failure. "stimulate, dont annihilate" - lee haney
So I should go in and do 2 sets of barbell curls with a 50 pound barbell 7 X a week.........c`mon dude,just train everything fucking hard 1-2 X per week if you prefer,eat good,rest good and recover,and repeat.
Fuck the dumb shit!
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Train every day in the sense of...
work
active recovery
work
active recovery
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shoulders may give out first then elbow and knees - so be careful.
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well i aim to train 7 days a week but end up 6 times a week and do full body. i never ever fully recover, resting is bullshit you dont magically build by taking a day off. You build by eating more variety and amount plain and simple. Youll eat LESS and assimilate LESS if you REST
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I don't think it matters much, you are constantly breaking down muscle and rebuilding it even when completely sedentary. It's a 24-7 thing even without any direct training.
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(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yleEs15g51w/TlrawTwZSrI/AAAAAAAABQY/gnyx4k2pzcQ/s1600/tommy-lee-jones-implied-face-palm.png)
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That's not Tommy Lee Jones
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That's not Tommy Lee Jones
:D
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This week I am going to begin training body parts 2-3x every 9 days.
I have been doing each body part 1x per week for the last year, and I want to try something new.
I recently have been training higher rep with less weight, with no rest periods..... I like it quite a bit so far.
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So I should go in and do 2 sets of barbell curls with a 50 pound barbell 7 X a week.........c`mon dude,just train everything fucking hard 1-2 X per week if you prefer,eat good,rest good and recover,and repeat.
Fuck the dumb shit!
training muscles near every days has or was becoming popular in powerlifting circles I'm pretty sure you could get it to work half ass or good try it. I have also heard of people training a weak point low intensity every day kinda pumping to bring it up.
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Lasst year I increased volume and trained everything twice a week.............liked it a lot compared to everything once weekly.
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You build by eating more variety and amount plain and simple. Youll eat LESS and assimilate LESS if you REST
as the barbarian brothers used to say "there is no over-training, only under-eating"
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Thanks for the replies.
I'm not going to squat or deadlift daily, just a few upper body lifts per day. My idea is to go heavy once a week or so and the rest of the workouts would be lighter. Daily volume will be low.
Something like this (5-6 days per week)
bench 1-2 sets (1 set if i do 20-50 reps)
pull ups/chins 2 sets
rows 1-2 sets
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shoulders and arms will be done 3-4 times per week (after the main 3 exercises). 1-2 sets per session.
Maybe I also do 2x/day on some days.
Time per session: no more than 25min. Lots of short frequent workouts avoiding failure (except maybe on the heavy day).
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So I should go in and do 2 sets of barbell curls with a 50 pound barbell 7 X a week.........c`mon dude,just train everything fucking hard 1-2 X per week if you prefer,eat good,rest good and recover,and repeat.
Fuck the dumb shit!
I'm just bored with regular bodybuilding routines ;). I want to try some new stuff. I been inspired by watching youtube videos of people doing a lot of bodyweight exercises...chins, push ups etc. I want to get that athletic feeling back again and if possible also see if i can grow a bit....
I even dug up some studies on pubmed showing very rapid growth in people who trained muscle groups 6-12 times per week. Just short term studies but still.
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Would be cool if we could get a getbig experiment group going? Anyone interested? 8)
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Thanks for the replies.
I'm not going to squat or deadlift daily, just a few upper body lifts per day. My idea is to go heavy once a week or so and the rest of the workouts would be lighter. Daily volume will be low.
Something like this (5-6 days per week)
bench 1-2 sets (1 set if i do 20-50 reps)
pull ups/chins 2 sets
rows 1-2 sets
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shoulders and arms will be done 3-4 times per week (after the main 3 exercises). 1-2 sets per session.
Maybe I also do 2x/day on some days.
Time per session: no more than 25min. Lots of short frequent workouts avoiding failure (except maybe on the heavy day).
high level powerlifters have actually benched,squated and deadlifted almost daily with good results I don't think its optimal but not as stupid as one would think.
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I've trained my calves as part of my warm-up at least 3X a week for years. As long as you adequately stretch the area it has worked out well. But that's not saying shoulder joints and rotator cuffs can take that kind of workload.
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This week I am going to begin training body parts 2-3x every 9 days.
I have been doing each body part 1x per week for the last year, and I want to try something new.
I recently have been training higher rep with less weight, with no rest periods..... I like it quite a bit so far.
you'll like it.
advise- keep workouts 1/2 hr or less, less than 20-30 seconds between sets. get in get out. rest recover. hit it again in another 3 days.
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no bluntly answer your question... NO, but to be honest, I've never tried it as it would fry my CNS.
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bump
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gymast's probably train every thing everyday
(http://looklikeanathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/gymnast-body.jpg)
makes a complete mockery of the meatheads 'one body part a week' mantra ::)
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If you want a long read of exactly what i did from day to day,then have a look at this thread,i start posting on page 2,half way down (Dave S),been doing something similar now for the last year and i`m the biggest i`ve ever been.I`m coming up to my 49th birthday,not touched gear since 1993,and my arms are the one bodypart in particular thats improved.
http://forum.iron-age-classic-bodybuilding.com/index.php?topic=23697.0
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If you want a long read of exactly what i did from day to day,then have a look at this thread,i start posting on page 2,half way down (Dave S),been doing something similar now for the last year and i`m the biggest i`ve ever been.I`m coming up to my 49th birthday,not touched gear since 1993,and my arms are the one bodypart in particular thats improved.
http://forum.iron-age-classic-bodybuilding.com/index.php?topic=23697.0
You need to be a member to see the thread Shep. :(
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I thought that was just to see the pics,used to be able to read the text even if you wern`t a member.
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I thought that was just to see the pics,used to be able to read the text even if you wern`t a member.
Yeah,they changed it a short while back.
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I've trained my calves as part of my warm-up at least 3X a week for years. As long as you adequately stretch the area it has worked out well. But that's not saying shoulder joints and rotator cuffs can take that kind of workload.
yes calves and Abs are another thing. I train each muscle group 1x a week because if i do more i get shoulder problems. I have trained on a 4 day split training each muscle group 2x a week was Ok but a 3 on 1 off kills my joints. Training a muscle EVERY Day will not work for long. OK, push ups and bodyweight stuff will be OK up to a point but i think there will come a point of Burnout and no more gains. You may maintain some muscle but strength will in my opinion be lost over time.
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In a nutshell Tim,i did 1 exercise per bodypart for 50 reps a set,
chest -bench press,back-pulldowns,shoulers-press,triceps-ext,biceps-preachers,legs-squats,and i wrote the number of reps down in a book.If i did 50 reps,i added 1 and a quarter kg extra next day which dropped me down to about 40-42 reps and i managed to add an extra rep every day to the total.On squats i started with an empty bar to get used to the cardio side but within a few weeks was doing 50 reps with 2 plates a side.I never got sore at all,except after 1 month in when i upped the weight and aimed to get 15-20 reps,thats the point when i think you are taxing the CNS,and i had to do a 1 on 1 off routine.The biggest improvement was my arms,they have never been as big as they are now.At the moment i`m trying something a bit different but will go back to the 50 reps every day workout as summer approaches.Hardest part is the mental side of doing 50 reps on squats,but the funny thing is,when you get used to it,and move up the weight and drop the reps to 15-20,then 20 reps feels like a "low rep set",because the breathing is used to the 50 rep set.
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I`m just having a re-read of what i wrote on ironage,and at the 4 week mark i did a strength test on bench press,pulldowns and squats,for a 1 rep max and the squat was the biggest jump,44lb in total,but i did notice the next day i had a sore throat and a cold.When doing the 50 reps set i always felt fresh 10 mins after and great the next day.The heavier weights and 1 rep maxs are what hits the CNS.
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Interesting stuff Shep !
I know exactly what you mean about 20 reps sets feeling like low rep sets as I have done leg presses for 50 and 100 reps............unreal pain and cardiovascular agony,don`t think my lower back would allow me to squat for 50 reps though.
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If you want a long read of exactly what i did from day to day,then have a look at this thread,i start posting on page 2,half way down (Dave S),been doing something similar now for the last year and i`m the biggest i`ve ever been.I`m coming up to my 49th birthday,not touched gear since 1993,and my arms are the one bodypart in particular thats improved.
http://forum.iron-age-classic-bodybuilding.com/index.php?topic=23697.0
Thank you ;) Very interesting stuff. Will read it all. I'm definately going to do this. As mentioned I'm thinking of going heavy once a week and the rest of the workouts will be higher reps. Sets will be low so I can train almost daily.
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as the barbarian brothers used to say "there is no over-training, only under-eating"
Nonsense.
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you'll like it.
advise- keep workouts 1/2 hr or less, less than 20-30 seconds between sets. get in get out. rest recover. hit it again in another 3 days.
20 seconds? why take any rest at all?
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I`m just having a re-read of what i wrote on ironage,and at the 4 week mark i did a strength test on bench press,pulldowns and squats,for a 1 rep max and the squat was the biggest jump,44lb in total,but i did notice the next day i had a sore throat and a cold.When doing the 50 reps set i always felt fresh 10 mins after and great the next day.The heavier weights and 1 rep maxs are what hits the CNS.
Awesome information. What do you think of the idea of having one heavy day per week? I'm afraid to completely remove the heavy tension stimulus. Have you experimented with 2x/day training too?
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deplete glycogen using high reps, do a carbload and after it do low reps with heavy weight. this way you train all muscle fiber types and are having best chance for growth without assistance. 45min/workout, whole body, 4x/week is enough.
m,t,w are glycogen depleting days, th and friday are carbload, sat is a heavy workout, su is medium carbs, repeat until you'r ripped
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deplete glycogen using high reps, do a carbload and after it do low reps with heavy weight. this way you train all muscle fiber types and are having best chance for growth without assistance. 45min/workout, whole body, 4x/week is enough.
m,t,w are glycogen depleting days, th and friday are carbload, sat is a heavy workout, su is medium carbs, repeat until you'r ripped
You mean UD2.0 ;) ?
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So... Anyone getting huge off this proposed method?
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So... Anyone getting huge off this proposed method?
Basile. Assuredly.
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Awesome information. What do you think of the idea of having one heavy day per week? I'm afraid to completely remove the heavy tension stimulus. Have you experimented with 2x/day training too?
What i found was that by doing 1 set of 50 reps i felt fresh 10 mins after the workout,no soreness the next day,and usually increased by 1 rep each workout.When i increased the weight so i maxed out at 15 reps i needed to train 1 day then miss a day,and trying to train every day,even only doing 1 set was too hard.This is when you have to decide if you are a bodybuilder or a powerlifter.I had over 30 years of HIT type of training,lifted some good numbers on bench and squat,built a good physique,but always felt like i needed more size.Since i moved over to doing a high rep set done every day my size has definitely improved (especially on my arms),and my focus is no longer on can i bench press 400,but more on how many reps can i get with 200lbs.
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I forgot to mention one thing that made me try training this way,and that was seeing Sir Chris Hoy (the cyclist) on a tv advert.It showed him squatting 5 plates,his legs have got great development,so i looked for his training routine and he trains in the gym 2 times a week on squats and leg press,but does his road workout every day for 3-4 hours.Now according to bodybuilding experts training the same bodypart every day is over training,yet he trains his legs every day and has the leg strength to squat 5 plates and has got leg development that most bodybuilders would like to have.
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I use to bench every day and eat like a bird. Coincidentally I was small and weak.
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as frequency increases, intensity needs to decrease.
you can train every muscle every day if your staying far far far away from failure. like, very far away from failure.
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muscle growth comes from INTENSITY.
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Ok, I'm back.
I have been working muscle groups 3-4 times per week (some even 2x/day for specific periods) the last year and it has worked really well. Even started using it on legs. I can definately recommend it for naturals. What I have noticed is that you don't need to lift maximal weights at all to grow or get stronger.
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I also want to give a shout-out to Magnum/Disgusted. His dieting methods are the bomb.
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I have just bought some home equipment and I'm thinking about trying to work upper body + calves 4-6 days per week. Anyone ever had success with this kind of strategy?
Unless you are a professional bodybuilder training calves is totally pointless.
here is what I recommend..push/pulll
Mondays- chest and biceps
Tuesdays - cardio
Wednesdays - back and triceps
Thursday - cardio
Friday - shoulders, incline press and other muscles you felt that you didn't work enough.
Saturday - run errands with the girl friend and try to make it her day...trust me, it will make her nag less
Sunday - drink alcohol and move only to use the bathroom and get food.
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Yes! Best way to train. train for no longer then 45 minutes but with super high intensity and no longer then 30 seconds between sets and due large muscle groups like legs all on one day,same with chest. I always work one muscle group per workout it means working out more days a week but it is the best way to train.
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Even with a training split you are training other body parts. The body tires systemically and not just on the individual muscle you are trying to isolate.
Also think about the muscles involved when training. You can't train a pressing movement without triceps. You can't do a pulling movement without biceps. Doing a real delt exercise? You are working back too. Squatting you are not just training lower back, hips and legs. There are so many muscles isometrically or moving to assisting. Just squat down with 135 and feel your calf. It's working. You're abs a tight.
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Even with a training split you are training other body parts. The body tires systemically and not just on the individual muscle you are trying to isolate.
Also think about the muscles involved when training. You can't train a pressing movement without triceps. You can't do a pulling movement without biceps. Doing a real delt exercise? You are working back too. Squatting you are not just training lower back, hips and legs. There are so many muscles isometrically or moving to assisting. Just squat down with 135 and feel your calf. It's working. You're abs a tight.
True but still not the the same thing as directly doing an exercise/muscle group 3-4x/week. But definately there is overlap even when using multisplit routines.
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I did some pushups a couple days ago just to fuck around since I was too lazy to go to the gym that day. I think I did a total of 100 pushups and what surprised the hell out of me the next morning was that I was sore as FUCK in my lats. Chest and triceps were fine.
I've done this before. Same exact thing. And I was going slow and controlled too.
Your last work a lot when your scapulae aren't pinned back by the bench.
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Ok, I'm back.
I have been working muscle groups 3-4 times per week (some even 2x/day for specific periods) the last year and it has worked really well. Even started using it on legs. I can definately recommend it for naturals. What I have noticed is that you don't need to lift maximal weights at all to grow or get stronger.
Interesting concept. So you perform a full body workout, or do you train on a 7 day split? How much volume per session, like 20-25 sets?
In what sense is it working 'really well', like more mass, more detail or both? How well do you recover from this?
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I have used HFT in the past to break through a plateau in my training , mostly when looking for strength gains say in the bench press. As mentioned by a few earlier posts, I think the key is to keep it in the 70-80 % range intensity wise and avoid failure like the plague.
I don't think it would be too good for serious size gains, but for breaking through plateaus or just to change it up I have found this quite effective. I had my right shoulder "redone'' when I was 42 and I used the HFT type of workouts to help get my bench press back over 405 at a body weight of 200 lbs. I just alternated the exercises for 6 week cycles and combined with muscle memory and a lot of dedication and time,it came back.
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Interesting concept. So you perform a full body workout, or do you train on a 7 day split? How much volume per session, like 20-25 sets?
In what sense is it working 'really well', like more mass, more detail or both? How well do you recover from this?
No, usually 4 days per week either using a full body type workout or 2-way split early in the week and then back to back full body workouts later in the week.
Both strength and mass has increased. Squat up 40kg, db bench up from 45kg dbs to 57kg dbs, chins up from 25kg to 50kg, shoulder press up from 70kg to 90kg etc. All this for reps. Body feels constantly ready to go and you feel constantly pumped.
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I have used HFT in the past to break through a plateau in my training , mostly when looking for strength gains say in the bench press. As mentioned by a few earlier posts, I think the key is to keep it in the 70-80 % range intensity wise and avoid failure like the plague.
I don't think it would be too good for serious size gains, but for breaking through plateaus or just to change it up I have found this quite effective. I had my right shoulder "redone'' when I was 42 and I used the HFT type of workouts to help get my bench press back over 405 at a body weight of 200 lbs. I just alternated the exercises for 6 week cycles and combined with muscle memory and a lot of dedication and time,it came back.
Thanks for the info t-rex! This is what I read about this type of training too. That it would effect strength more than mass. But in my case it has helped mass too. I think the frequency dimension is still abit neglected in bodybuilding circles. I mean we all know/heard of guys who train chest and arms like every session and often these guys do really build up those muscle groups (even if their physique ends up unbalanced).