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Title: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2012, 11:44:31 AM
After months of searching, investigators commissioned by Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio to examine Barack Obama’s eligibility for office found Immigration and Naturalization Service travel records for foreign flights into Hawaii in 1961, only to discover that records for the week of Obama’s birth were missing.

Investigators were searching to determine if Barack Obama might have been born in a foreign country and returned to Honolulu in or around August 1961 with his mother, Ann Dunham.
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Arpaio’s team looked at databases in the National Archives and Records Administration with microfilm of INS passenger records for foreign flights arriving in Honolulu and New York City.

If Obama was not born in Hawaii, as he and the Hawaii Department of Health have been insisting, there should be INS passenger cards that the new mother filled out for herself and her infant son upon arrival in Honolulu from a Pacific Rim city or arrival in New York City from across the Atlantic.

Arpaio launched the investigation after being presented with a petition signed by 250 members of the Surprise Tea Party in Surprise, Ariz. He authorized a volunteer Cold Case Posse of former law enforcement officers and detectives in October 2011 to examine the authenticity of Obama’s long-form birth certificate and to determine Obama’s eligibility to be president under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution.

Before he was first elected Maricopa County sheriff in 1993, Arpaio spent 25 years with the Drug Enforcement Administration, including service as DEA regional director in Mexico City and special agent in charge in Phoenix. He is running for re-election to his sixth term as Maricopa County sheriff.

As WND reported, Arpaio’s team found probable cause that the document presented one year ago as Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery. WND reported yesterday that Arpaio asked Selective Service Director Lawrence Romo in a letter to produce original documentation of Obama’s Selective Service registration, noting his team’s finding that there is probable cause that it, too, was forged.

Microfilm examined

After INS passenger records for foreign flights entering the U.S. through Hawaii in a database identified as “A3573″ were found, Arpaio’s investigators found a second database, designated as “A3998,” with comparable INS records for foreign flights arriving at New York City’s Idlewild Airport.

One complication was that the National Archives and Records Administration, or NARA, held only the original microfilm records for INS 1961 airline passenger record. Since the original microfilm records were often the only existing copies of the passenger manifests, NARA would not permit them to be viewed by researchers. The intent was to protect the originals from being scratched or damaged, especially by placing them on a microfilm reel or copier.

Finally, NARA agreed to produce microfilm copies of 24 reels of records for the time period from July 1961 through September 1961.

Subsequently, 28 microfilm reels from A3998 records of INS passenger cards for foreign flights arriving at New York’s Idlewild Airport in August 1961 were copied by NARA and made available for examination at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.

Read the preliminary findings of Sheriff Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse investigation.

To date, researchers are waiting for the additional 1961 records for both datasets to be copied by NARA and made available for inspection at the National Archives.

Obama birth-week records missing

Investigators examining the microfilm records found only one week of INS passenger cards to be completely missing in all the records so far examined.

In some sequences of cards, the records were blurred or overlapped each other, obscuring the data.

Specifically, in Record Group A 3573, data records for Aug. 2, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961, appear to be completely missing, as if the records were removed from the database prior to the microfilm recording.

Exhibit A shows NARA Record Group A3573, Reel 184, for INS passenger records on foreign flights into Honolulu from July 28, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961.

Exhibit A: INS cards, Honolulu, July 28 to Aug. 7, 1961

Exhibit B shows NARA Record Group A3573, Reel 185, INS passenger records on foreign flights into Honolulu from Aug. 8 through Aug. 12, 1961.

Exhibit B: INS cards, Honolulu, Aug. 8 – Aug. 12, 1961

Remarkably, all INS records for the week of Obama’s birth, Aug. 1 through Aug. 7, 1961, were missing from the end of Reel 184 and were not discovered anywhere on Reel 185 or any other microfilm reel in the record group.

Exhibit C is a Photostat printout of what the end of Reel 184 looks like.

While the printout is only partial, what can be observed is one of the two or three INS cards in the records from Aug. 1, 1961. The reel ends with about 10 inches of white blurs and black space, without any other records from Aug. 1 to Aug. 7, 1961, despite the written documentation to the contrary on the microfilm reel’s box.

Exhibit C: INS cards, Reel 184, end of reel

NARA explains

In a series of emails beginning Nov. 21, 2011, investigators notified NARA archive reference specialists of the missing dates. NARA specialists in Washington, D.C., checked with the NARA employees in College Park, Md., who had made the duplicate microfilm reels for public inspection.

College Park NARA officials found the INS passenger records in Record Group A3573, Reels 184 and 185, were also missing in the original microfilm reels. No INS original paper documents could be found for 1961.

At the request of investigators, NARA archivists documented the missing records in a two-page letter. The first page of the letter can be viewed here and the second page here.

In the Feb. 6 letter, Brenda Beasley Kepley, chief of NARA’s Archives 1 Processing Section, acknowledged that passenger records for Record Group A3573, Rolls 184 and 185, covering the period July 28 through Aug. 12, 1961, had been filmed by the INS in August 1961, and the original paper records were not retained.

Kepley acknowledged that the records for the period Aug. 2 through Aug. 7, 1961, were missing. She argued that the missing data was due to poor quality control that allowed multiple cards to be fed through a document feeder and become bunched together, obscuring the images underneath.

“Apparently no quality control was done at the time of filming to check for these errors,” Kepley wrote. “Consequently, it is difficult to determine whether or not images of cards for the period August 2 through August 7 exist on Roll 184. If they do, they are unreadable.”

The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office ordered and obtained duplicate microfilm of Rolls 184 and 185 to be placed into evidence.

Investigators examining both microfilm rolls determined that the 10 inches of microfilm filled by white blurs and blank space would have been a fraction of the microfilm inches needed had records been intact for all foreign flights arriving in Honolulu Aug. 2 through Aug. 7, 1961.

While a few bunched records are observed at the end of Reel 184, investigators did not find evidence of the volume of INS passenger record cards that would have been present had the records been microfilmed.

The bunching up of several hundred INS passenger card records for the dozens of flights arriving in Hawaii Aug. 2 through Aug. 7, 1961 would have constituted a major collapse in the document feeding mechanism that could not possibly have gone unnoticed by the microfilm technicians making the archive record from the physical paper copies.

MCSO investigators concluded that the NARA explanation of bunched up and overlapping records caused by a defective document feeder was not a credible explanation for what was observed on the two microfilm reels.

Reel 185 begins with Aug. 8, 1961, with minimal and expected blank lead microfilm and with no trace of bunched or overlapping records from previous dates.

Instead, MCSO investigators have concluded that the INS passenger records for the dates Aug. 2 – Aug. 7, 1961 are missing from NARA Record Group A3575 for reasons that remain unexplained.

MCSO investigators are currently waiting for NARA to duplicate the remaining 1961 INS passenger cards in both record groups for subsequent inspection at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.

Editor’s Note: Arpaio’s team authorized WND’s Jerome Corsi to examine the INS documents at the National Archives.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/immigration-records-missing-for-week-of-obamas-birth/
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 23, 2012, 12:36:00 PM
wow.   


Yeah nothing to see here - move on.   
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Shockwave on March 23, 2012, 01:26:11 PM
Lol, everybody likes to make fun of Sheriff Joe, but the man has like 25 years with the DEA. Its not like he's some kind of amateur hour idiot.
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: magikusar on March 23, 2012, 01:31:09 PM
After months of searching, investigators commissioned by Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio to examine Barack Obama’s eligibility for office found Immigration and Naturalization Service travel records for foreign flights into Hawaii in 1961, only to discover that records for the week of Obama’s birth were missing.

Investigators were searching to determine if Barack Obama might have been born in a foreign country and returned to Honolulu in or around August 1961 with his mother, Ann Dunham.
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Arpaio’s team looked at databases in the National Archives and Records Administration with microfilm of INS passenger records for foreign flights arriving in Honolulu and New York City.

If Obama was not born in Hawaii, as he and the Hawaii Department of Health have been insisting, there should be INS passenger cards that the new mother filled out for herself and her infant son upon arrival in Honolulu from a Pacific Rim city or arrival in New York City from across the Atlantic.

Arpaio launched the investigation after being presented with a petition signed by 250 members of the Surprise Tea Party in Surprise, Ariz. He authorized a volunteer Cold Case Posse of former law enforcement officers and detectives in October 2011 to examine the authenticity of Obama’s long-form birth certificate and to determine Obama’s eligibility to be president under Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution.

Before he was first elected Maricopa County sheriff in 1993, Arpaio spent 25 years with the Drug Enforcement Administration, including service as DEA regional director in Mexico City and special agent in charge in Phoenix. He is running for re-election to his sixth term as Maricopa County sheriff.

As WND reported, Arpaio’s team found probable cause that the document presented one year ago as Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a forgery. WND reported yesterday that Arpaio asked Selective Service Director Lawrence Romo in a letter to produce original documentation of Obama’s Selective Service registration, noting his team’s finding that there is probable cause that it, too, was forged.

Microfilm examined

After INS passenger records for foreign flights entering the U.S. through Hawaii in a database identified as “A3573″ were found, Arpaio’s investigators found a second database, designated as “A3998,” with comparable INS records for foreign flights arriving at New York City’s Idlewild Airport.

One complication was that the National Archives and Records Administration, or NARA, held only the original microfilm records for INS 1961 airline passenger record. Since the original microfilm records were often the only existing copies of the passenger manifests, NARA would not permit them to be viewed by researchers. The intent was to protect the originals from being scratched or damaged, especially by placing them on a microfilm reel or copier.

Finally, NARA agreed to produce microfilm copies of 24 reels of records for the time period from July 1961 through September 1961.

Subsequently, 28 microfilm reels from A3998 records of INS passenger cards for foreign flights arriving at New York’s Idlewild Airport in August 1961 were copied by NARA and made available for examination at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.

Read the preliminary findings of Sheriff Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse investigation.

To date, researchers are waiting for the additional 1961 records for both datasets to be copied by NARA and made available for inspection at the National Archives.

Obama birth-week records missing

Investigators examining the microfilm records found only one week of INS passenger cards to be completely missing in all the records so far examined.

In some sequences of cards, the records were blurred or overlapped each other, obscuring the data.

Specifically, in Record Group A 3573, data records for Aug. 2, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961, appear to be completely missing, as if the records were removed from the database prior to the microfilm recording.

Exhibit A shows NARA Record Group A3573, Reel 184, for INS passenger records on foreign flights into Honolulu from July 28, 1961 through Aug. 7, 1961.

Exhibit A: INS cards, Honolulu, July 28 to Aug. 7, 1961

Exhibit B shows NARA Record Group A3573, Reel 185, INS passenger records on foreign flights into Honolulu from Aug. 8 through Aug. 12, 1961.

Exhibit B: INS cards, Honolulu, Aug. 8 – Aug. 12, 1961

Remarkably, all INS records for the week of Obama’s birth, Aug. 1 through Aug. 7, 1961, were missing from the end of Reel 184 and were not discovered anywhere on Reel 185 or any other microfilm reel in the record group.

Exhibit C is a Photostat printout of what the end of Reel 184 looks like.

While the printout is only partial, what can be observed is one of the two or three INS cards in the records from Aug. 1, 1961. The reel ends with about 10 inches of white blurs and black space, without any other records from Aug. 1 to Aug. 7, 1961, despite the written documentation to the contrary on the microfilm reel’s box.

Exhibit C: INS cards, Reel 184, end of reel

NARA explains

In a series of emails beginning Nov. 21, 2011, investigators notified NARA archive reference specialists of the missing dates. NARA specialists in Washington, D.C., checked with the NARA employees in College Park, Md., who had made the duplicate microfilm reels for public inspection.

College Park NARA officials found the INS passenger records in Record Group A3573, Reels 184 and 185, were also missing in the original microfilm reels. No INS original paper documents could be found for 1961.

At the request of investigators, NARA archivists documented the missing records in a two-page letter. The first page of the letter can be viewed here and the second page here.

In the Feb. 6 letter, Brenda Beasley Kepley, chief of NARA’s Archives 1 Processing Section, acknowledged that passenger records for Record Group A3573, Rolls 184 and 185, covering the period July 28 through Aug. 12, 1961, had been filmed by the INS in August 1961, and the original paper records were not retained.

Kepley acknowledged that the records for the period Aug. 2 through Aug. 7, 1961, were missing. She argued that the missing data was due to poor quality control that allowed multiple cards to be fed through a document feeder and become bunched together, obscuring the images underneath.

“Apparently no quality control was done at the time of filming to check for these errors,” Kepley wrote. “Consequently, it is difficult to determine whether or not images of cards for the period August 2 through August 7 exist on Roll 184. If they do, they are unreadable.”

The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office ordered and obtained duplicate microfilm of Rolls 184 and 185 to be placed into evidence.

Investigators examining both microfilm rolls determined that the 10 inches of microfilm filled by white blurs and blank space would have been a fraction of the microfilm inches needed had records been intact for all foreign flights arriving in Honolulu Aug. 2 through Aug. 7, 1961.

While a few bunched records are observed at the end of Reel 184, investigators did not find evidence of the volume of INS passenger record cards that would have been present had the records been microfilmed.

The bunching up of several hundred INS passenger card records for the dozens of flights arriving in Hawaii Aug. 2 through Aug. 7, 1961 would have constituted a major collapse in the document feeding mechanism that could not possibly have gone unnoticed by the microfilm technicians making the archive record from the physical paper copies.

MCSO investigators concluded that the NARA explanation of bunched up and overlapping records caused by a defective document feeder was not a credible explanation for what was observed on the two microfilm reels.

Reel 185 begins with Aug. 8, 1961, with minimal and expected blank lead microfilm and with no trace of bunched or overlapping records from previous dates.

Instead, MCSO investigators have concluded that the INS passenger records for the dates Aug. 2 – Aug. 7, 1961 are missing from NARA Record Group A3575 for reasons that remain unexplained.

MCSO investigators are currently waiting for NARA to duplicate the remaining 1961 INS passenger cards in both record groups for subsequent inspection at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.

Editor’s Note: Arpaio’s team authorized WND’s Jerome Corsi to examine the INS documents at the National Archives.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/immigration-records-missing-for-week-of-obamas-birth/

Nothing would make me laugh my ass off more than if the birthers were finally shown to be correct.  Oh man I will go drinkin
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 23, 2012, 01:36:43 PM
According to Ozmo - this is all nothing at all. 
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: OzmO on March 23, 2012, 03:36:30 PM
According to Ozmo - this is all nothing at all. 

Right now as far as i am concerned, there is nothing.  the CCP is a scam IMO.

The WND site caters to crap like this.   Too many unanswered questions regarding their investigation.    And most of the followers ignore the obvious debunks.  So its like dealing with 9/11 nutterey in my opinion. 

But we will see. 
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2012, 05:38:14 PM
Right now as far as i am concerned, there is nothing.  the CCP is a scam IMO.

The WND site caters to crap like this.   Too many unanswered questions regarding their investigation.    And most of the followers ignore the obvious debunks.  So its like dealing with 9/11 nutterey in my opinion. 

But we will see. 


You and the mainstream media.
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on March 23, 2012, 05:43:50 PM
So he's basing his evidence on microfilm that's missing from Airline transit records yet ignores the microfilm that says that Obama was born in Hawaii...... ::)
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2012, 07:51:50 PM
So he's basing his evidence on microfilm that's missing from Airline transit records yet ignores the microfilm that says that Obama was born in Hawaii...... ::)

Yes Vince, that's it. You're right. Out the 200+ investigators on this case you're the only one who figured it out....great job Vince  ::)
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 23, 2012, 07:52:48 PM
So he's basing his evidence on microfilm that's missing from Airline transit records yet ignores the microfilm that says that Obama was born in Hawaii...... ::)

Hawaii wont let anyone see the microfiche or the actual roll that the fake BC is supposedly on.
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: OzmO on March 23, 2012, 08:08:50 PM
You and the mainstream media.

Go to the CT forum and count how many media outlets  covered the story and don't pretend the post doesn't exists
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: OzmO on March 23, 2012, 08:10:25 PM
Yes Vince, that's it. You're right. Out the 200+ investigators on this case you're the only one who figured it out....great job Vince  ::)

200 investigators my ass.



What are the names the credentials of the “computer graphics experts” who validated the Cold Case Posse’s (CCP) methodology.

Have any of them ever testified in court about the authenticity of a document?

Why were these not disclosed at the press conference for reporters to interview?

What are the names the credentials of the “forensic document examiners” who validated the Cold Case Posse’s methodology.

Have any of them ever testified in court about the authenticity of a document?

Why were these not disclosed at the press conference for reporters to interview?

What computer software and settings were used for the optimization comparisons between the “control” document and the White House document?

Was it the same software used by the White House, and if not why not?

Why was this essential question glossed over in the lengthy presentation?

Was Jerome Corsi deputized by Maricopa County, or did he sign an affidavit under oath and penalty of perjury as to his examination of files at the National Archives? If not, why not?

Has WorldNetDaily agreed to sign Joe Arpaio on as a commentator for WND?

Did WorldNetDaily, Jerome Corsi, or Joseph Farah contribute funds to the CCP?
  

John Woodman, the author of a book analyzing claims about Obama birth certificate images, offered on two occasions to assist the CCP. Why was he ignored?

What is the name, and what is the investigative report into the truthfulness of the person who claimed Obama was a foreign student playing in Bill Ayers yard?

Why was Jerome Corsi, a nationally-known anti-Obama partisan, invited to speak at the Press Conference?

Why did the CCP use a computer-generated birth certificate simulation as their “control” document rather than a real birth certificate on real security paper?
  
Did the CCP contact the US Postal service regarding the date stamp on the Selective Service application? If so what was their response, and if not, why not?
  
Did the CCP contact Selective Service regarding the Obama Selective Service application?If so what was their response, and if not, why not?

Did the CCP contact the White House and request physical access to the President’s long-form birth certificate? If so what was their response, and if not, why not?
  
Did the CCP consult with Arizona’s own Vital Records agency on matters of document generation? If so what was their response, and if not, why not?
  
Why were the CCP results delayed until after the Arizona Primary, and why were they leaked to Republican Candidate Rick Santorum in advance unless they were politically motivated?
  
What exactly was the role of Mara Zebest in the production of the CCP report?

What exactly was the role of Jerome Corsi in the production of the CCP report?
  
Why was Mark Gillar, a well-known anti-Obama partisan, chosen to narrate the six short videos that constituted most of the posse’s presentation?

Why were the videos posted to Gillar’s “TeaPartyPowerHour” YouTube account, the links to which were included in the sheriff’s press release? And did Gillar help make the videos as well?
 
Was CCP leader Mark Zullo one of the Surprise, Arizona Tea Party signers of the petition that started the investigation?

Why was the page (linked to by WND) on the Surprise Tea Party web site describing the event scrubbed?
  
Did all CCP members agree to the findings? Why were none of the others introduced at the Press Conference?
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 23, 2012, 08:12:00 PM
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Flight records missing for week of Obama's birth
Times247 ^ | 3/23/12 | Jerome R. Corsi
Posted on March 23, 2012 11:07:16 PM EDT by lward99

After months of searching, investigators commissioned by Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio to examine Barack Obama’s eligibility for office found Immigration and Naturalization Service travel records for foreign flights into Hawaii in 1961, only to discover that records for the week of Obama’s birth were missing.

Investigators were searching to determine if Barack Obama might have been born in a foreign country and returned to Honolulu in or around August 1961 with his mother, Ann Dunham. ...

Read more: http://times247.com/articles/immigration-records-missing-for-week-of-obama-s-birth#ixzz1q02uVV7M

(Excerpt) Read more at times247.com ...
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: OzmO on March 23, 2012, 08:14:13 PM
You and the mainstream media.

just in case you forgot there was a CT forum.

Here's a list of the news outlets who reported it:

    ABC News
    ABS CBN
    Alamogordo Daily News
    Alaska Dispatch
    Albany Times Union
    All Voices
    Arizona Daily Star
    Arizona Daily Sun
    Arizona Republic
    Atlantic Wire
    Austin 360
    AZ Central
    AZ Family
    Asheville (NC) Citizen-Times
    Associated Press
    Atlanta Journal Constitution
    Australian Eye
    Baltimore Sun
    BCS
    Belleview News Democrat
    Bellingham Herald
    BET
    Biz Journals
    Bloomington Pantagraph
    Boston.com (owned by NY Times)
    Bradenton Herald
    Broadcast Newsroom
    Business Insider
    Canada Free Press
    Care2.com
    Calgary Sun
    Camp Verde Bugle
    Capitol Hill Blue
    Carlisle Sentinel
    Catholic Online
    CBS News
    Centre Daily Times
    Charlotte Observer
    Chicago Mag
    Chicago Reader
    Chicago Sun Times
    Chicago Tribune
    Christian Post
    Cineplex
    College News
    Color Lines
    Cypress Times
    Courthouse News Service
    Daily Beast
    Daily Caller
    Daily Herald
    Daily Mail (UK)
    Deseret News
    Detroit Daily News
    Democratic Underground
    Denver Post
    Digital Journal
    Duluth Weekly
    East Valley Tribune
    Economic Times
    El Paso Inc
    Emirates
    Eurasia Review
    Examiner.com
    Fort Worth Star Telegram
    Fox News
    Fresno Bee
    Fronteras
    Gather.com
    Global Grind
    Greenfield Daily Reporter
    Guardian (UK)
    Herald Times Reporter
    Hill, The
    Hispanically Speaking News
    Honolulu Star-Advertiser
    Hot Air
    Houma Courier
    Indian Express
    International Business Times
    Journal Register
    KAAL
    KATV
    KENS
    KGW
    KHOU
    KING
    KLTV
    KMPH
    KOWB
    KPHO (Phoenix)
    KPNX
    KSWT
    KTAR
    KVVU
    KXL
    KYMA
    Las Vegas Review-Journal
    Lexington herald Leader
    Longview Daily News
    Lubbock (TX) Online
    Macomb Daily
    Macon Telegraph
    Main Justice
    Maximum Edge
    Media Matters for America
    Mediate
    Merced Sun-Star
    Metro (UK)
    Miami Herald
    Mid Columbia Tri City Herald
    Minneapolis Star
    Mobile Tribune
    Monterrey County Herald
    Moriches Daily
    MSN Money
    MSNBC
    MyFox Los Angeles
    Myrtle Beach Online
    National Post
    National Review
    Navajo Post
    National Public Radio
    NBC San Diego
    NECN
    New American
    Nerdvana
    New York Daily News
    New York Post
    New York Times
    Newsday
    News Banner (Louisiana)
    News OK
    News On 6
    News One
    News Sentinel
    news Tribune
    News 10 (NBC)
    Newser
    NOLA
    North Cable News
    North County Times
    Northern Voices
    Official Wire
    Ology
    Op Ed News
    Oshkosh Northwestern
    Outcome Magazine
    Phoenix New Times
    Police News
    Policy Mic
    Politic 365
    Quad City Times
    Reno Gazette Journal
    Republic, The
    Root, The
    Royal Oak Daily Tribune
    Sacramento Bee
    San Francisco Chronicle
    San Jose Mercury News
    Seattle Post Intelligencer
    Seattle Times
    SF Weekly
    Slate Magazine
    Sonoran News
    Spokesman Review
    State Column
    State, The (SC)
    Stir, The
    STL Today
    Sun Herald
    Sunday Zaman
    Tbo.com
    Tecca
    Think Progress
    Toronto Sun
    Town Hall
    Tri Valley Central
    Truth Dive
    Tucson Citizen
    Tucson Weekly
    TVNZ
    U-T San Diego
    United Press International (UPI)
    Ventura County Star
    Verde Independent
    Washington Post
    Washington Times
    Wausau Daily Herald
    WHBL
    WHNS
    Wizbang
    WorldNetDaily
    WBOC
    WBRC
    WCNC
    WFAA
    WFIE
    WHBL
    WIS
    Wisconsin Rapids Tribune
    WNEM
    WNYT
    WPTV
    WRAL
    WRCB
    WSHM
    WTAM
    WTOP
    WTSP
    Yahoo
    York Daily Record
    York Dispatch
    13 ABC Action News


Just in case you are wondering if FOX news is now part of the lib conspiracy, the reason they are not covering it is because the story is GARBAGE.

Until something better and more credible comes along thats the way it will be
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
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Times247 ^ | 3/23/12 | Jerome R. Corsi
Posted on March 23, 2012 11:07:16 PM EDT by lward99

After months of searching, investigators commissioned by Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio to examine Barack Obama’s eligibility for office found Immigration and Naturalization Service travel records for foreign flights into Hawaii in 1961, only to discover that records for the week of Obama’s birth were missing.

Investigators were searching to determine if Barack Obama might have been born in a foreign country and returned to Honolulu in or around August 1961 with his mother, Ann Dunham. ...

Read more: http://times247.com/articles/immigration-records-missing-for-week-of-obama-s-birth#ixzz1q02uVV7M

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How many other flight records are missing from 1961?
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 23, 2012, 08:16:39 PM
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How many other flight records are missing from 1961?

NONE!!!   Only the week of the immaculate conception of the messiah. 
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: OzmO on March 23, 2012, 08:17:40 PM
prove it.   ::)

seriously find some other independent source not affiliated with Joe and book promo posse that says all the other records are there except those.
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: OzmO on March 23, 2012, 08:21:16 PM
Here's more:

http://www.usatoday.com/video/computer-expert-examines-arpaio-birther-documents/1484305946001 (http://www.usatoday.com/video/computer-expert-examines-arpaio-birther-documents/1484305946001)

"When I first saw it it was very convincing until we did our test and saw that, wait a minute, our scanner does the same thing."

from Ken Colburn founder and CEO of Data Doctors Computer Services & Data Forensics Labs had his technical staff look at the White House birth certificate PDF.


Sorry guys, the CCP is using your hate and ignorance about things like this to sell their book.  that's the conspiracy here.


Just like 9/11 nut jobs, when one gets debunked they run to something else.

What's next the postman's testimony?   ::)
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 23, 2012, 08:26:47 PM

Just like 9/11 nut jobs, when one gets debunked they run to something else.

What's next the postman's testimony?   ::)

That is one guys opinion.  Many others have come to the same conclusion. 
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: OzmO on March 23, 2012, 08:38:49 PM
That is one guys opinion.  Many others have come to the same conclusion. 

There's also a flat earth society.  So doe that prove the earth is flat?
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 23, 2012, 08:43:48 PM
There's also a flat earth society.  So doe that prove the earth is flat?


LOL. Yeah there are no legit concerns over the Obama fake docs.   Got it.    ::).
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Coach is Back! on March 23, 2012, 08:51:41 PM
just in case you forgot there was a CT forum.

Here's a list of the news outlets who reported it:

    ABC News
    ABS CBN
    Alamogordo Daily News
    Alaska Dispatch
    Albany Times Union
    All Voices
    Arizona Daily Star
    Arizona Daily Sun
    Arizona Republic
    Atlantic Wire
    Austin 360
    AZ Central
    AZ Family
    Asheville (NC) Citizen-Times
    Associated Press
    Atlanta Journal Constitution
    Australian Eye
    Baltimore Sun
    BCS
    Belleview News Democrat
    Bellingham Herald
    BET
    Biz Journals
    Bloomington Pantagraph
    Boston.com (owned by NY Times)
    Bradenton Herald
    Broadcast Newsroom
    Business Insider
    Canada Free Press
    Care2.com
    Calgary Sun
    Camp Verde Bugle
    Capitol Hill Blue
    Carlisle Sentinel
    Catholic Online
    CBS News
    Centre Daily Times
    Charlotte Observer
    Chicago Mag
    Chicago Reader
    Chicago Sun Times
    Chicago Tribune
    Christian Post
    Cineplex
    College News
    Color Lines
    Cypress Times
    Courthouse News Service
    Daily Beast
    Daily Caller
    Daily Herald
    Daily Mail (UK)
    Deseret News
    Detroit Daily News
    Democratic Underground
    Denver Post
    Digital Journal
    Duluth Weekly
    East Valley Tribune
    Economic Times
    El Paso Inc
    Emirates
    Eurasia Review
    Examiner.com
    Fort Worth Star Telegram
    Fox News
    Fresno Bee
    Fronteras
    Gather.com
    Global Grind
    Greenfield Daily Reporter
    Guardian (UK)
    Herald Times Reporter
    Hill, The
    Hispanically Speaking News
    Honolulu Star-Advertiser
    Hot Air
    Houma Courier
    Indian Express
    International Business Times
    Journal Register
    KAAL
    KATV
    KENS
    KGW
    KHOU
    KING
    KLTV
    KMPH
    KOWB
    KPHO (Phoenix)
    KPNX
    KSWT
    KTAR
    KVVU
    KXL
    KYMA
    Las Vegas Review-Journal
    Lexington herald Leader
    Longview Daily News
    Lubbock (TX) Online
    Macomb Daily
    Macon Telegraph
    Main Justice
    Maximum Edge
    Media Matters for America
    Mediate
    Merced Sun-Star
    Metro (UK)
    Miami Herald
    Mid Columbia Tri City Herald
    Minneapolis Star
    Mobile Tribune
    Monterrey County Herald
    Moriches Daily
    MSN Money
    MSNBC
    MyFox Los Angeles
    Myrtle Beach Online
    National Post
    National Review
    Navajo Post
    National Public Radio
    NBC San Diego
    NECN
    New American
    Nerdvana
    New York Daily News
    New York Post
    New York Times
    Newsday
    News Banner (Louisiana)
    News OK
    News On 6
    News One
    News Sentinel
    news Tribune
    News 10 (NBC)
    Newser
    NOLA
    North Cable News
    North County Times
    Northern Voices
    Official Wire
    Ology
    Op Ed News
    Oshkosh Northwestern
    Outcome Magazine
    Phoenix New Times
    Police News
    Policy Mic
    Politic 365
    Quad City Times
    Reno Gazette Journal
    Republic, The
    Root, The
    Royal Oak Daily Tribune
    Sacramento Bee
    San Francisco Chronicle
    San Jose Mercury News
    Seattle Post Intelligencer
    Seattle Times
    SF Weekly
    Slate Magazine
    Sonoran News
    Spokesman Review
    State Column
    State, The (SC)
    Stir, The
    STL Today
    Sun Herald
    Sunday Zaman
    Tbo.com
    Tecca
    Think Progress
    Toronto Sun
    Town Hall
    Tri Valley Central
    Truth Dive
    Tucson Citizen
    Tucson Weekly
    TVNZ
    U-T San Diego
    United Press International (UPI)
    Ventura County Star
    Verde Independent
    Washington Post
    Washington Times
    Wausau Daily Herald
    WHBL
    WHNS
    Wizbang
    WorldNetDaily
    WBOC
    WBRC
    WCNC
    WFAA
    WFIE
    WHBL
    WIS
    Wisconsin Rapids Tribune
    WNEM
    WNYT
    WPTV
    WRAL
    WRCB
    WSHM
    WTAM
    WTOP
    WTSP
    Yahoo
    York Daily Record
    York Dispatch
    13 ABC Action News


Just in case you are wondering if FOX news is now part of the lib conspiracy, the reason they are not covering it is because the story is GARBAGE.

Until something better and more credible comes along thats the way it will be

Big deal. He gathered the media together. It's up to them on when and where to run it. More than likely with the mainstream, somewhere on page 10 bottom corner. That list proves nothing. Where are the follow ups to the story with these agencies?
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: OzmO on March 23, 2012, 09:13:55 PM
Big deal. He gathered the media together. It's up to them on when and where to run it. More than likely with the mainstream, somewhere on page 10 bottom corner. That list proves nothing. Where are the follow ups to the story with these agencies?

It proves your assertion that there is a media conspiracy is based on ignorance. 
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: OzmO on March 23, 2012, 09:15:35 PM

LOL. Yeah there are no legit concerns over the Obama fake docs.   Got it.    ::).

When something credible pops up there will not be credible people going after it.  Until then, leave it to the loons.
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 23, 2012, 09:17:22 PM
When something credible pops up there will not be credible people going after it.  Until then, leave it to the loons.


Has even obama offered a defense of his phony SS registration doc? 
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Roger Bacon on March 23, 2012, 09:21:45 PM
just in case you forgot there was a CT forum.

Here's a list of the news outlets who reported it:


Like that means anything........  ::)
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: OzmO on March 23, 2012, 09:26:01 PM
Like that means anything........  ::)

It means everything if you think the media wasn't reporting it.  Or you can just hide behind ignorance.
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: OzmO on March 23, 2012, 09:27:15 PM

Has even obama offered a defense of his phony SS registration doc? 

He doesn't need to because it hasn't been proven phony.  No one with any credibility thinks so even your gang of talking blow hards. 
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Soul Crusher on March 23, 2012, 09:27:15 PM
It means everything if you think the media wasn't reporting it.  Or you can just hide behind ignorance.

The communist media spent more time investigating Bristol palin and Joe the plumber than they did the communist buddy of domestic terrorists Obama. 
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on March 24, 2012, 04:30:21 AM
Yes Vince, that's it. You're right. Out the 200+ investigators on this case you're the only one who figured it out....great job Vince  ::)


From what I see, birthers like you are ignoring real evidence and going off into other dimensions.  This shit you posted is meaningless.  Its not proof....its just things that fly off into another dimension.


There needs to be HARD EVIDENCE, A SMOKING GUN, SOMETHING.... not more "lights in the sky" shit but its not going to be found because he was born in Hawaii.  I think that people want to believe otherwise because they want to see and cast him as being Un-American. 
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: OzmO on March 24, 2012, 08:31:37 AM
Basically it's like this:

Some people hate OB soo much that they are willing to forgo commn sense to feed it.   That's why birthing appeals to certain people.  For example people who believed that if a democrat gets elected one of our cities would get nuked.   So I am not surprised. 
Title: Re: Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
Post by: OzmO on March 30, 2012, 03:55:39 PM
Sorry Coach,

but unless you find something credible or just stop ignoring the debunks, this birther thread is destined for the CT board.

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In a letter dated March 22, Richard S. Flahavan, Associate Director of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs with the Selective Service System responded to Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s request for an investigation of Obama’s selective service registration. Flahavan wrote:

    This Agency has no evidence that President Obama’s 1980 registration is not authentic. However, if you have any credible evidence to the contrary and believe that a Federal crime has been committed, we suggest that it be turned over immediately to the Federal Bureau of Investigation to pursue.

Its tough being a Birther. 

Here's a summary of some of their follies:

The newspaper announcements of Obama’s birth in Honolulu, something devastating to the birther mythology, were found by a birther!
   
A birther got the infamous tape of Obama’s grandmother saying she was present (somewhere) when Obama was born—a tape that in its entirety emphatically states the the President was born in Hawaii, where his father was living.
   
A birther article at The Daily Pen about a 1962 INS report led to the discovery that no US citizen departed from Kenya and arrived by plane in the US during the entire year ending June 30, 1962, covering the period when the birthers claim Obama’s mother gave birth in Kenya and flew back to the US.

Birthers citing a Hawaiian statute on the registration of out-of-state births led to the discovery that the law was passed in 1982, thereby eliminating the possibility that such registrations were authorized before then.

Birther Donald Trump finally raised so much media attention that Obama released his long-form birth certificate, cutting the ranks of the birthers almost in half.
   
Birthers digging in the Immigration files of Lolo Soetoro and Barack Obama Sr. uncovered contemporary references to Obama’s birth in Honolulu and a State Department report stating that Obama was born in Honolulu.




(birther backfires)


Now, we have further confirmation of that, from a statistical report of persons entering the United States. Surprisingly only one alien embarked from Kenya and traveled to the United States by air in the entire year ending June 30, 1962. Wow! Only 1 in a whole year: That kind of travel was REALLY UNCOMMON! Since President Obama would have been an alien under US law had he been born in Kenya, he and his alien father could not have both arrived in the US by air. (Please don’t look at the following chart YET—it’ll spoil the surprise.)

http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/74/mode/1up (http://archive.org/stream/annualreportofim1962unit#page/74/mode/1up)

So the story gets complicated with no father in the picture. The birthers have concocted an alternative out of whole cloth. They now say that Ann Dunham made the trip to Kenya alone to give the baby up for adoption. That way, baby Barack could have been the only alien.  It’s complicated for all the other reasons of the original story, but it requires a reason for adoption. One reason given for the adoption is that Ann Dunham’s family was outraged by their daughter having a mixed-race child.

Add that to the fact that Obama Sr.’s father was furious at his son for marrying a white woman. That’s really complex.

But the greatest complexity of all is not only was it impossible for Barack Obama Sr. to have flown to the United States with his new-born son. It was also impossible for his mother to have flown home either, because according to the INS report, a total of ZERO US citizens arrived in the United States from Kenya by air for the entire year ending June 30, 1962.

OK birthers, dump the air travel. You’ve got to by sea. Or maybe via Canada, yeah, Canada. Ann Obama traveled on her husband’s British passport—oops, he wasn’t there.