In your belief/opinion:
1. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
2. Do you believe in a Spiritual God and/or a Spirit World?
2. Yes there's some crazy shit going on.
In your belief/opinion:1. Yes. Lots of things happen when left unobserved. Tides go in, tides go out... who can explain that?
1. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
2. Do you believe in a Spiritual God and/or a Spirit World?
1. Yes. Lots of things happen when left unobserved. 2. I believe in God, but I do not know what God is... I'm agnostic about that ;D I do believe there is a spiritual dimension but I don't mean that in the literal sense, any physical descriptions of heaven/hell are probably allegorical.
1. Yes. Lots of things happen when left unobserved. Tides go in, tides go out... who can explain that?
2. I believe in God, but I do not know what God is... I'm agnostic about that ;D I do believe there is a spiritual dimension but I don't mean that in the literal sense, any physical descriptions of heaven/hell are probably allegorical.
1. Yes. Lots of things happen when left unobserved. Tides go in, tides go out... who can explain that?1. bill o'reilly
2. I believe in God, but I do not know what God is... I'm agnostic about that ;D I do believe there is a spiritual dimension but I don't mean that in the literal sense, any physical descriptions of heaven/hell are probably allegorical.
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1. bill o'reillydidn't want it to turn into a debate thread. much rather discuss that through PM anyway... but I think the atheist/theist argument centers around a certain conception of god that not all people ascribe to.
2. oh agnostic about that one irrationality huh? what about that first one there, faith as you outlined in the first four words.
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If it wasn't for the lax moderation I'd never have to read that :'(
In all seriousness I can't stop laughing ;D
didn't want it to turn into a debate thread. much rather discuss that through PM anyway... but I think the atheist/theist argument centers around a certain conception of god that not all people ascribe to.
To put my views plainly, I believe in a divine source... God, or whatever you wanna call it. I just don't know what the spiritual traditions mean by 'God'. Buddhism, which I accept as a true religion does not even have the concept of God, but its core teachings are essentially the same as Islam.
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I can dig this, I too feel the sense of awe and wonder and see Love as god.Yea I came across this discussion when I was
I was going to PM you but this argument is an interesting one. Lets see what people think of it's implications and the possibility that it is true.
This is a very valid argument from a neuroscience perspective. Basically if you understand or make the leap that humans will eventually be able to create consciousness, as it appears it is simply an organizational thing. Then simulated universes will actually outnumber real ones, such that it is more likely that we are a simulation. The fact that error code has been found within the equations that explain the universe is startling to me. There are only a couple people who actually understand what this man is talking about so all i can offer is conjecture. Watch the vid, its super interesting. It indicates that the universe operates on a binary code, and that error code has been inserted to reduce the loss of information just like in computers.
Yea I came across this discussion when I wassearching for muscle bearsbrowsing on youtube once, I believe it was a talk about the progress on string theory in the last decade. I don't know what to make of the clip you posted lol, but Smolin's criticism of reality not being math because of the existence of time is interesting (because you cannot take time into account in these equations). The idea that the universe is an illusion is something i've come across before..For example, Ibn El-arabi, a great Sufi of the 11th century something along the lines of "The universe is essentially imagination". Elsewhere I have come across the idea that what collapses the wave function in quantum mechanics is consciousness, and therefore you need consciousness for something to exist.
I don't know what the fuck this all means, in the end you still have to make a living and pay your bills :'(
basically what he is saying is that there is a very very specific type of error blocking code embedded within the math of string theory, namely in supersymmetric things (the universe is one such thing). So basically strings may be binary code and whoever designed this program (im speaking as if it were true) put an error code into the fabric of the universe, seemingly to keep things running smooth, ie the laws of physics. Some arguments were put forth about refresh rate and its maximal speed being the speed of light, but apparently we have exceeded the speed of light on two occasions now. Also, i would like to say that there is another finding which is ultra interesting namely that when atoms are frozen they behave immensely different then "normal" atoms, its called exotic states and we still don't know the implications.name the exact location of the bolded peice of information, bro.
I get what your saying about sufi philosophy and illusion but I just can't dig it unless there is evidence, my mind won't allow it. Although i don't believe in ghosts etc i watch videos of that shit all the time, lol, I'm a grown ass man with the mind of a 10 year old. :D
then bostrom the neurophilosopher makes the simulation argument and it is quite convincing but a overwhelming sense of no fuck just came over me and i'm going to cease writing.. now.
1 - Yes
2 - I believe in the Big Bang Theory. Even if there is a God, where did he/she/it come from? There was not one before and suddenly there is one now? That is a Big Bang Theory all in itself.
Many people believe that God is eternal...that He always existed and always will.
name the exact location of the bolded peice of information, bro.
I don't understand how there is code found within the math of superstring theory, but your proposal that the error code has been inserted to block loss of information sounds... theistic to say the least ;D Regarding belief in this or that theory of reality- ofcourse nothing should be accepted without evidence. I don't have much to add to this debate, so i'm glad you ceased writing your run-on sentences and psuedophilosophical garbage.
Many people believe that God is eternal...that He always existed and always will.
Many people believe that God is eternal...that He always existed and always will.
why is it a "he"? And anything that exists has to originate from something, somewhere.
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110922/full/news.2011.554.html;D
this is the first occasion, it has been replicated although they won't have firm conclusions until all the data is in, apparently it will take a year or more to sift through all of the data. Neutrinos travel faster then light, no one knows how yet, at least to my knowledge.
It sounds theistic but the proposal is that humans are behind this, although it doesn't really answer any questions. It doesn't have god at the end of it like you want :D. i mean god works in mysterious way could be changed to god is a computer nerd.
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the neutrino speed has pretty much been explained...it was attributable an error caused by faulty wiring of GPS
Error Undoes Faster-Than-Light Neutrino Results
http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/02/breaking-news-error-undoes-faster.html (http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2012/02/breaking-news-error-undoes-faster.html)
According to sources familiar with the experiment, the 60 nanoseconds discrepancy appears to come from a bad connection between a fiber optic cable that connects to the GPS receiver used to correct the timing of the neutrinos' flight and an electronic card in a computer. After tightening the connection and then measuring the time it takes data to travel the length of the fiber, researchers found that the data arrive 60 nanoseconds earlier than assumed. Since this time is subtracted from the overall time of flight, it appears to explain the early arrival of the neutrinos. New data, however, will be needed to confirm this hypothesis.
interesting, I was unaware of this. So you are worth more then a shwarma pita.::)
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that makes no sense, it creates an infinite regress, no philosopher nor person of intelligence agrees with an uncaused cause.
something has to be eternal, ie always existed.
Then it had to come from somewhere. Oxygen on this planet has always existed. Where does it come from?
Then it had to come from somewhere. Oxygen on this planet has always existed. Where does it come from?
why is it a "he"? And anything that exists has to originate from something, somewhere.
People used to believe that the sun moved around the earth.
People used to believe that blood-letting helped bring balance to the body and cured disease.
People used to believe that having your picture taken would cause you to lose a part of your soul.
Beliefs are useless when held in the absence of evidence - and evil when held contrary to evidence.
So some people believe "God is eternal." So what? Since when is truth something that's up to a vote? Besides, I'll bet you money that many of those people who believe that can't answer the simple question "what is it that you believe in?" and the inevitable follow-ups "what is this God you speak of?" and "how did you gain this knowledge?"
Not sure what you mean when is truth something that's up to a vote?
Are you saying people don't vote for representatives that they believe hold their concepts of truth (ie: a baby in the womb is a person or a mass of tissue etc)?
Or are you saying that you believe God is not eternal so that is "truth?" If you don't want to believe God is eternal, that's up to you. I was just answering someone's question by telling him some people do believe God is eternal.
I mean that the truth is the truth. Even if six billion people believed that unicorns were real, it still wouldn't make unicorns real. Belief has no bearing on reality.I agree w/all of this.
People can (and do) vote using whatever criteria they feel are appropriate; often time that's no criteria at all! I don't particularly care about that, although I personally thing that it's stupid.
You said that "Many people believe that God is eternal...that He always existed and always will." That's what I was answering by pointing out that the number of people who believe that is irrelevant because their beliefs, no matter how sincere and fervently held, don't alter reality. That is, if the Christian deity doesn't exist (and I don't believe it does, but that's irrelevant) no amount of believers will cause it to magically pop into existence.
The tree doesn't make a sound unless we hear it.
By "we" do you mean humans?
The tree doesn't make a sound unless we hear it.
Yeah
What if an animal heard it?
animals dont have souls ::)
animals dont have souls ::)
Are you saying if an animal hears it, but not a human... it hasn't made a noise?
and many believe there was always matter, it always existed, always will..So maybe God = matter? :o
In your belief/opinion:
1. If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
2. Do you believe in a Spiritual God and/or a Spirit World?
To the first, yes. Why? For the same reason if you were to walk in to a room but no one was there to see you, you would still be present.
To the second, also yes. Why? One need not see some one to know they exist. For example, some people have read the New Testament and have come to believe that Christ exists. They have only read His words but never have they seen him and still, they believe. Here on a forum such as this and many others on the net, we can read the words of many, many different people. More than not, we shall never meet these folks and yet through their words we know that they exist.
As is my way, I am not come here to argue but simply to state what I hold true as best I can. Hopefully my words will resonate with those that choose to read them. If they do, then they will remain written not only here, but upon them as well. If not? No problem.
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To the first, yes. Why? For the same reason if you were to walk in to a room but no one was there to see you, you would still be present.
To the second, also yes. Why? One need not see some one to know they exist. For example, some people have read the New Testament and have come to believe that Christ exists. They have only read His words but never have they seen him and still, they believe. Here on a forum such as this and many others on the net, we can read the words of many, many different people. More than not, we shall never meet these folks and yet through their words we know that they exist.
As is my way, I am not come here to argue but simply to state what I hold true as best I can. Hopefully my words will resonate with those that choose to read them. If they do, then they will remain written not only here, but upon them as well. If not? No problem.
It's apples and oranges on your second point. If my observation resonates with you, fine, if not, may you find peace and prosper..
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