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Now I know its a good idea to check both, but what's more crucial getting blood work done or keeping on eye on blood pressure?
This is of course assuming you use hormones...discuss
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I wouldn't do anything until your pissing blood and your heart hurts. Trust me, I'm a doctor.
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none of that is really crucial if your just doing a little here and there or even really a little always. Ya people have problems from steroids but usually mega abusers and some of them would have had troubles anyways. You havent started the tren yet? shit we only have 70 days tell summer hits.
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I wouldn't do anything until your pissing blood and your heart hurts. Trust me, I'm a doctor.
LOL ;D
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none of that is really crucial if your just doing a little here and there or even really a little always. Ya people have problems from steroids but usually mega abusers and some of them would have had troubles anyways. You havent started the tren yet? shit we only have 70 days tell summer hits.
Describe a "little" lol
And should have it hopefully this week!
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under a 1gram test always they really can't even prove 400mg of test or so is harmful for longevity. Imo you could prolly run a 1gram for ever and not have that much trouble. tren maybe not. I don't think you realise some of these guys use 3-6 grams of hard adrogens and orals in high dose and don't have that much trouble related to steroids. A lot of the ones that have heart problems occasionaly would have anyways and are 250lbs+ any group of guys in the 230-300lb range will be at risk for cardiovascular system problems steroids or not. You will get an occasionaly guy on the steroids boards that has a heart attack at 40 while at 250lbs bodyweight. That would happen to a % of people anyways.
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you could prolly cruise on 400 and blast on 800-1500 and not really run into troubles if not really heavy. A lot of steroid users problems come from other drugs diuretics,pain killers really very few people die from steroids alone. orals can be rough if ran heavy. Your little 300 test 300tren isnt going to do much thats for sure maybe raise bad lipids tell you come off. tren can cause mental sides but in only 50% of users or so and usually its happens south of 300.
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you could prolly cruise on 400 and blast on 800-1500 and not really run into troubles if not really heavy. A lot of steroid users problems come from other drugs diuretics,pain killers really very few people die from steroids alone. orals can be rough if ran heavy. Your little 300 test 300tren isnt going to do much thats for sure maybe raise bad lipids tell you come off. tren can cause mental sides but in only 50% of users or so and usually its happens south of 300.
yea i dont do any of the additional drugs besides alcohol...but getting hammered 1-2 a week isnt THAT bad is it lol?....im not on orals!
and right now im under a gram a week...i imagine in the future i'll go over that, but i dont see my self ever going over 1.5-2 grams a week
btw didnt you mean the mental sides happens NORTH of 300mg lol? ;D
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Get your blood work done,
Blood pressure you can check yourself at home real easy, not worth spending out.
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Get your blood work done,
Blood pressure you can check yourself at home real easy, not worth spending out.
how often though...1-2 a year i was figuring?
and i do exactly that...got myself a nice monitor not too long ago
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how often though...1-2 a year i was figuring?
and i do exactly that...got myself a nice monitor not too long ago
Depends how many holidays you want your doctor to have lol.
I personally get this done after a couple of cycles, so if I had only done 1 cycle that year as long as i'm feeling fine and done correct PCT I won't bother.
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Depends how many holidays you want your doctor to have lol.
I personally get this done after a couple of cycles, so if I had only done 1 cycle that year as long as i'm feeling fine and done correct PCT I won't bother.
lol holidays? and the plan at first was to "cycle" but im now considering cruising after my run with tren at say 200mg test maybe a little more
but i dont foresee myself going crazy with my doses or abusing orals or anything like that
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under a 1gram test always they really can't even prove 400mg of test or so is harmful for longevity. Imo you could prolly run a 1gram for ever and not have that much trouble. tren maybe not. I don't think you realise some of these guys use 3-6 grams of hard adrogens and orals in high dose and don't have that much trouble related to steroids. A lot of the ones that have heart problems occasionaly would have anyways and are 250lbs+ any group of guys in the 230-300lb range will be at risk for cardiovascular system problems steroids or not. You will get an occasionaly guy on the steroids boards that has a heart attack at 40 while at 250lbs bodyweight. That would happen to a % of people anyways.
I had blood pressure problems at 500mg/week. That's way too much for me, I get really bloated (my face is all swollen) despite my clean diet and so on. I would imagine that having high blood pressure for longer periods of time is not that healthy.
I bet I wouldn't survive 1 gram, I couldn't handle sides of 700mg so I lowered it down in a half. At 350mg/week of test and ATD (always antiestrogen, even on this dose) I'm drugged to absolutus maximus of what my body can handle.
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Now I know its a good idea to check both, but what's more crucial getting blood work done or keeping on eye on blood pressure?
This is of course assuming you use hormones...discuss
For fuck sake man, why in the hell would you ask for medical advice on a bodybuilding forum? Do you really think it's wise? Do yourself a favor, and go to your local clinic for a annual physical. It's cheap, quick, and easy.
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blood pressure is called the silent killer for a reason, even people who don`t use aas need to pay attention to that shit.
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Ditto
Get a physical once a year...
I have some friends who haven't had one in decades....not good.
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Now I know its a good idea to check both, but what's more crucial getting blood work done or keeping on eye on blood pressure?
This is of course assuming you use hormones...discuss
jesus christ dude, i appreciate people airing on the side of caution and all, but you are ridiculously too much of a lil bitch after you started taking gear.
you have literally started a thread about every normal day to day activity, because your paranoid that something might be different cuz now you take gear
but to answer you, define the word CRUCIAL .
none of thoe are crucial, crucial is something you MUST do. You dont HAVE to do neither one of those. but both are GOOD TO DO.
and to further answer you, you can get a digital BP monitor for $50 or cheaper, and do it 2-3 times a week to monitor your BP levels, but you cant get bloodwork done weekly.
i just started TRT, i posted my lab work on the steroids section, and i will take another bloodwork in 3 months. and i dont monitor my BP, unless i feel my BP is high
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your fishing for reasons to avoid blood work :D :D :D :D
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your fishing for reasons to avoid blood work :D :D :D :D
yeah thats what this tool does. he has a fucked up answer in his head, he poses the question, and disregards all valid answers until he hears that same fucked up answer that he was looking for and feels better about that fucked up answer, cuz now someone "corroborated" it online
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Worrying too much can cause anxiety and can cause your BP to rise so you need to learn to meditate and calm down. Don't let the anxiety get to you.
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just asking damn.
i guess asking for advice from others who have been at this a lot longer than me is a bad idea ::)
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Labs twice a year. ;)
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just asking damn.
i guess asking for advice from others who have been at this a lot longer than me is a bad idea ::)
Thats like going to a job interview, getting the job and stuff, and your first day at work you start asking your coworkers about the company, and the position you got hired for and what the fuck the company even does !
my point is, before you started jabbing yourself, you shouldve done your homework, so most of the stuff you ask have already been beat to death.
most of the stuff about steroids is just common sense, but the thing is, common sense is not always common practice. For example, some folks here run 200mg tren ace ED no problem, and they advocate it. and then you have someone like man of steele or something like that , he's taking tren ace 75mg ED or EOD, and he's having panic attacks left and right ( see his thread). so what does common sense dictate to him ? that maybe tren ace is not for him, or he's dosing too high.
and most of your questions are vague or just plain old wierd. Like asking " do you guys wear more black clothes while on gear or lighter color shirts?" ..theres no simple answer to... and now back to your main question, your asking about if BP is more important or bloodwork... well both are. common sense dictates that keeping tabs on your body is a good way to know if your body is in check or not. BW and BP are like a fucking scale, they are just fucking #s which keep you on track. how often do you weight yourself? well ideally it would be good to check your BP and BW as that often too, but thats not what most people do simply because going to a doctor is expensive.
some people dont go to doctor for years, some folks like me get bloodwork done 4 times a year, because of my job and my insurance covers it.
do you see how your questions are lame? your essetially asking " guys, im adding hormones to my body which will pretty much affect all other hormones and levels in my body, is it a good idea to get bloodwork and see if its affecting me too bad"? see how lame that question is?
i hope u dont see it as a flame, but next time think before you post,i dont even respond to most of your threads cuz they questions are so lame
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I would go more often than once a year to get a physical if I could. My doctor is a cute female and she likes to check my balls for any signs of a hernia. :P
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great post Stanfield
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Ditto
Get a physical once a year...
I have some friends who haven't had one in decades....not good.
They are the primary candidates for sudden death. One could exercise everyday of their life and have their #'s off. This is the case with an older colleague at the gym who fails to accept that things are catching up with his age (57). He walks around with blood pressure 190/100. For the last 7 years refused to take any medication until this year. He was adamant he exercises 4-5 times a week, is in shape, and cycles religiously in the summer. What finally got through to him? When the doctor said you will drop dead one of these days. "Silent killer" was the key word. He has even stopped weight training heavily at the request of the doctor and any intensive cardio. He's never touched juice.
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Thats like going to a job interview, getting the job and stuff, and your first day at work you start asking your coworkers about the company, and the position you got hired for and what the fuck the company even does !
my point is, before you started jabbing yourself, you shouldve done your homework, so most of the stuff you ask have already been beat to death.
most of the stuff about steroids is just common sense, but the thing is, common sense is not always common practice. For example, some folks here run 200mg tren ace ED no problem, and they advocate it. and then you have someone like man of steele or something like that , he's taking tren ace 75mg ED or EOD, and he's having panic attacks left and right ( see his thread). so what does common sense dictate to him ? that maybe tren ace is not for him, or he's dosing too high.
and most of your questions are vague or just plain old wierd. Like asking " do you guys wear more black clothes while on gear or lighter color shirts?" ..theres no simple answer to... and now back to your main question, your asking about if BP is more important or bloodwork... well both are. common sense dictates that keeping tabs on your body is a good way to know if your body is in check or not. BW and BP are like a fucking scale, they are just fucking #s which keep you on track. how often do you weight yourself? well ideally it would be good to check your BP and BW as that often too, but thats not what most people do simply because going to a doctor is expensive.
some people dont go to doctor for years, some folks like me get bloodwork done 4 times a year, because of my job and my insurance covers it.
do you see how your questions are lame? your essetially asking " guys, im adding hormones to my body which will pretty much affect all other hormones and levels in my body, is it a good idea to get bloodwork and see if its affecting me too bad"? see how lame that question is?
i hope u dont see it as a flame, but next time think before you post,i dont even respond to most of your threads cuz they questions are so lame
vent much?
i just like to get as many different views as possible from as many people as possible...whats wrong with that?
not trying to be "lame" or "weird" bro....
i know it is a good idea to get blood work done and check your bp from time to time...which is why i bought a monitor. as for the blood work, i have just begun dabbling in hormones...so i planned on getting some done after my run with tren(12 weeks). oh and i did a 6 week run with a prohormone last year...so technically that was my first....a few months prior i had routine type blood work done and everything was good. so while i havent had any in over a year, this is only my second time running anything aas/ph related...not justifying it, just making a statement
alls i was asking was what do people feel is more important, ive heard some say bp and ive heard some say getting blood work... this board seems to have some knowledgeable/straight forward dudes so i figured why not pose the question here
just looking to further educate myself each day bro, thats all
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vent much?
i just like to get as many different views as possible from as many people as possible...whats wrong with that?
not trying to be "lame" or "weird" bro....
i know it is a good idea to get blood work done and check your bp from time to time...which is why i bought a monitor. as for the blood work, i have just begun dabbling in hormones...so i planned on getting some done after my run with tren(12 weeks). oh and i did a 6 week run with a prohormone last year...so technically that was my first....a few months prior i had routine type blood work done and everything was good. so while i havent had any in over a year, this is only my second time running anything aas/ph related...not justifying it, just making a statement
alls i was asking was what do people feel is more important, ive heard some say bp and ive heard some say getting blood work... this board seems to have some knowledgeable/straight forward dudes so i figured why not pose the question here
just looking to further educate myself each day bro, thats all
see the bold part. thats my point right there. you ask questions where there is no ONE answer. Its like asking "which one is more vital, your left testicle or your right one", there isnt really much to debate, in that case the answer is "neither/both". You asking whats more important, BP or BW.. a simple google search will show you why BP is important and why its the silent killer and why its importnant to keep it under check, and a simple google of blood work shows why all the results of the bloodwork are important to keep an eye on. each of them checks for something different.
your asking to pick one, the answer is BOTH are important. obviously its easir to keep an eye on ur BP cuz you can just do it at home, but other than that, both are EQUALLY important.
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see the bold part. thats my point right there. you ask questions where there is no ONE answer. Its like asking "which one is more vital, your left testicle or your right one", there isnt really much to debate, in that case the answer is "neither/both". You asking whats more important, BP or BW.. a simple google search will show you why BP is important and why its the silent killer and why its importnant to keep it under check, and a simple google of blood work shows why all the results of the bloodwork are important to keep an eye on. each of them checks for something different.
your asking to pick one, the answer is BOTH are important. obviously its easir to keep an eye on ur BP cuz you can just do it at home, but other than that, both are EQUALLY important.
yea i just tend to worry/overthink things. i just like to think since im not doing rec drugs, drinking all the time, abusing orals etc that im fine and blood work wouldnt be as important...but i understand it is still smart to get it checked
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yea i just tend to worry/overthink things. i just like to think since im not doing rec drugs, drinking all the time, abusing orals etc that im fine and blood work wouldnt be as important...but i understand it is still smart to get it checked
me neither, i dont do drugs, but i get bloodwork. i posted my lab work on the steroid forum from last week
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me neither, i dont do drugs, but i get bloodwork. i posted my lab work on the steroid forum from last week
everything good to go?
im sure you've been using hormones longer than me lol
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smoking and drinking and other rec drugs are just as bad as sterioids. I don't go get a physical after every 6months of chewing to tobacco or drinking and most don't either.
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smoking and drinking and other rec drugs are just as bad as sterioids. I don't go get a physical after every 6months of chewing to tobacco or drinking and most don't either.
exactly....alcohol/tobacco are far worse! ....so why am i getting shit from everyone lol!
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Don't know your age, dfresh, but if you're under 30 you'll live no matter what you do (within limits of course).
Blood pressure is a something for the long run. If youn do lotsa orals you gotta have bloodtests, not because everyone will get problems but because you can't tell upfront if you're one of the few who get messed up from it.
Liver enzymes, Kidney function and blood sugar...
To answer your PM.
take care
says dr dutch
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Don't know your age, dfresh, but if you're under 30 you'll live no matter what you do (within limits of course).
Blood pressure is a something for the long run. If youn do lotsa orals you gotta have bloodtests, not because everyone will get problems but because you can't tell upfront if you're one of the few who get messed up from it.
Liver enzymes, Kidney function and blood sugar...
To answer your PM.
take care
says dr dutch
yea im just starting to see the whole "steroids are bad for your health" thing is a little blown outta proportion lol
now if i was some drug addict/alcoholic and wanted to use hormones, then i could see it being a problem...but as others are reassuring me the more i read/ask questions....i dont need to worry too much at all about my health as long as im not running crazy doses and/or mixing in other drugs, and binge drinking all the time, etc
which is awesome to hear!
im 23 btw doc ;D
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Don't know your age, dfresh, but if you're under 30 you'll live no matter what you do (within limits of course).
Blood pressure is a something for the long run. If youn do lotsa orals you gotta have bloodtests, not because everyone will get problems but because you can't tell upfront if you're one of the few who get messed up from it.
Liver enzymes, Kidney function and blood sugar...
To answer your PM.
take care
says dr dutch
btw you mentioned if you do lots of orals you have to get blood work, what if you dont do orals, or do them but not abuse them?
basically just trying to clear up your answer as far as how important blood work is.... technically you only said you have to get it if you do lots of orals...but what if you dont, or you do use them, but not a lot of them ;)
not trying to be a pain in the ass here, but looking for clarification is all..thanks again docta!
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Worrying too much can cause anxiety and can cause your BP to rise so you need to learn to meditate and calm down. Don't let the anxiety get to you.
Very true...If you go to a doctor and get blood work done, he/she will almost always find "something" to watch etc...Then you go home and tell your wife and she starts to stress out...That alone can cause more damage to your body then anything else. In many cases, doctors have jumped the shark for the everyday person. Its all doom and gloom.
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Don't know your age, dfresh, but if you're under 30 you'll live no matter what you do (within limits of course).
Blood pressure is a something for the long run. If youn do lotsa orals you gotta have bloodtests, not because everyone will get problems but because you can't tell upfront if you're one of the few who get messed up from it.
Liver enzymes, Kidney function and blood sugar...
To answer your PM.
take care
says dr dutch
That's simply not true. I know many guys who used within limits and had serious health issues just from use of hormones within normal dosages.
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That's simply not true. I know many guys who used within limits and had serious health issues just from use of hormones within normal dosages.
That's not in contradiction with my post, friend.. :)
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deceiver: explain?
and dutch answer my last post...please ;D
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btw you mentioned if you do lots of orals you have to get blood work, what if you dont do orals, or do them but not abuse them?
basically just trying to clear up your answer as far as how important blood work is.... technically you only said you have to get it if you do lots of orals...but what if you dont, or you do use them, but not a lot of them ;)
not trying to be a pain in the ass here, but looking for clarification is all..thanks again docta!
Do bloodtests when you get weird symptoms or feel tired all day. I'd say always do liver tests after a period of orals, even when used in moderation, just to be sure.
Otherwise, don't waste too much money on tests, but then again they are cheaper than a liver transplant..
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Do bloodtests when you get weird symptoms or feel tired all day. I'd say always do liver tests after a period of orals, even when used in moderation, just to be sure.
Otherwise, don't waste too much money on tests, but then again they are cheaper than a liver transplant..
i hear you... i dont plan on really using orals too much if at all though
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That's simply not true. I know many guys who used within limits and had serious health issues just from use of hormones within normal dosages.
who says they would not have these same health issues even if they hadn't touched steroids?????
PEOPLE GET SICK!! and some do not..... some smoke a pack a day and live to 90 in good health.... others never smoke and get lung cancer....
you have a doc here in this thread , he is saying to ALL of you to not be so PARANOIDE.... lol...
and what dr.Dutch said about orals is spot on..... i never use orals anymore... except proviron.... have not touched orals in years....
so please relaxe.....lol.... stress causes high bp, anxiety, cardio disease on it's own you know lol!!!
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who says they would not have these same health issues even if they hadn't touched steroids?????
PEOPLE GET SICK!! and some do not..... some smoke a pack a day and live to 90 in good health.... others never smoke and get lung cancer....
you have a doc here in this thread , he is saying to ALL of you to not be so PARANOIDE.... lol...
and what dr.Dutch said about orals is spot on..... i never use orals anymore... except proviron.... have not touched orals in years....
so please relaxe.....lol.... stress causes high bp, anxiety, cardio disease on it's own you know lol!!!
So in other words I dont have to worry about blood work as much as I do
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So in other words I dont have to worry about blood work as much as I do
well , a doc here says to relax.... it's the other "experts" here that have you believe you are a ticking time bomb lol... ::) ::) ::)
in most cases if you feel fine..... you are probably fine... the human body has ways of telling if there is something wrong.
get water retetntion under control and thickening of the blood.... and you'll be fine....
a rare thing, an honest doc.... we should be happy to have him on getbig.. 8)
so everybody... relax! breathe........ relax!!! breath...... lol.... ;D ;D ;D
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who says they would not have these same health issues even if they hadn't touched steroids?????
PEOPLE GET SICK!! and some do not..... some smoke a pack a day and live to 90 in good health.... others never smoke and get lung cancer....
you have a doc here in this thread , he is saying to ALL of you to not be so PARANOIDE.... lol...
and what dr.Dutch said about orals is spot on..... i never use orals anymore... except proviron.... have not touched orals in years....
so please relaxe.....lol.... stress causes high bp, anxiety, cardio disease on it's own you know lol!!!
Well if heart attack with no heart issues running in family is not obvious enough for you then I'm speachless. Some of you guys just decide to go "it won't happen to me" route, your choice. Please keep it to yourself because "he had dirty gear", "he would have same issues without steroids" and so on are pathetic excuses.
Some guys are less sensitive, some guys more. Even 100mg of prop eod can fuck you up.
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Well if heart attack with no heart issues running in family is not obvious enough for you then I'm speachless. Some of you guys just decide to go "it won't happen to me" route, your choice. Please keep it to yourself because "he had dirty gear", "he would have same issues without steroids" and so on are pathetic excuses.
Some guys are less sensitive, some guys more. Even 100mg of prop eod can fuck you up.
well, people get hartattacks for no reason at all , ALL the time....
some just drop dead .... healthy .... but drop dead.... most heavy juicers i know and knew are fine... ask wes .. he is our getbig dino.. ;D ;D ;D ( i mean that in a good way , WES)
in general hart issues are very much a GENETIC problem
100 mg of Test prop eod will not fuck anybody up.... please man....
some may feel like shit and have some sides, but it will not fuck anybody up...
of all steroids test is least toxic and handled best by our bodies ... as it is naturally occuring...
you ARE being overly paranoide.....
just because you can not handle some pansy ass cycle , does not mean you set the standerd for humans in general
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everyone just take a deeeeeppp breath :D
OP and DOC i thank you for putting me at ease ;D
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everyone just take a deeeeeppp breath :D
OP and DOC i thank you for putting me at ease ;D
just common sense bro....
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just common sense bro....
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NOT the way i think lol!
being new to hormones i worry about EVERYTHING...i admit it
but i dont do anything detrimental to my health...i mean unless occasional binge drinking and smoking weed is considered that bad ;D....but if thats all i do, i dont see that as being all that bad to my health
and im not looking for an easy way out or anything like some seem to think, but if i got a DOCTOR telling me dont worry too much about blood work etc then i sure as hell am gonna get at least a little cocky haha ;D
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NOT the way i think lol!
being new to hormones i worry about EVERYTHING...i admit it
but i dont do anything detrimental to my health...i mean unless occasional binge drinking and smoking weed is considered that bad ;D....but if thats all i do, i dont see that as being all that bad to my health
and im not looking for an easy way out or anything like some seem to think, but if i got a DOCTOR telling me dont worry too much about blood work etc then i sure as hell am gonna get at least a little cocky haha ;D
dude.... look at the Rolling Stones and go and tell me drugs are bad for a person! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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dude.... look at the Rolling Stones and go and tell me drugs are bad for a person! ;D ;D ;D ;D
i take it they(like most from that era) were on loads of good stuff haha ;D
serious question btw... im 23 so they were a little before my time :D
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i take it they(like most from that era) were on loads of good stuff haha ;D
serious question btw... im 23 so they were a little before my time :D
lol i am 32 , also before my time... but they still rock!! legends!
anyway my point was , and still is.... just use common sense.... lol...
steroids when used smart will not harm you...
being a pro, health comes second... it's all about choices....
having said that most guys are know are still fine.... and i knew some big abusers.... hell little old me used a fair bit of PED's lol...
and in the late 90's early 2000's alot of the top bb's in the netherlands were friends or collegues of mine....i little gym way up North lol.... the dutchies here will know what i am talking about;)
most went NABBA ... Universe, these kinds of shows.... as ifbb was and is not very smart for euro guys....
some big, big dudes.... 6'1 140 kilo off season and 120 on stage....another one 6'5, 150 kilo offseason and 126 on stage...
also a lot of light heavies.... all top 3 at nabba Universe....
and these dudes also LOVED the Rave Party's here in the Netherlands.. lol big drug users....
i am talking XTC, GHB, COKE... also before training.... a little COKE....
my buddy who i am still helping was a ifbb world championship competitor... but got screwed over once so badly!!!! he never wants to compete for ifbb again.... he took 3rd place once... but was stripped of his placing due to diuretics use.... the egyptian fella also failed the test but was not stripped of his title.... why o why??? and these egyptian dudes also loved snorting coke btw.... lol...
anyway i am rambling again lol... but most of these dudes are ok!!! 1 had hart problems, but he knew that his whole life... he had the same thing Arnold had done... a new valve...
another one got killed, shot by his friend..... during a drugdeal... lol.... huge basterd! 6'2 and 130 kilos... legit 55 cm arms.... did not help him dodging bullets though ;D ;D ;D
and this is all almost a decade ago.... most are retired now, but still training and using....just not that extreme anymore....
some people can think i do not know what i am talking about , but i do.... and i just call it like i see it....
like i said , i CHOSE not to compete....anymore... as i saw the cult how it was.... in the late 90's it was allready very , very corrupted....
look at the details above..... and tell me steroids are the problem.... what you see is???
narcotics! drugdealing! violence! criminals! killing! and i am not even telling the stories about the woman.... lol....
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lol i am 32 , also before my time... but they still rock!! legends!
anyway my point was , and still is.... just use common sense.... lol...
steroids when used smart will not harm you...
being a pro, health comes second... it's all about choices....
having said that most guys are know are still fine.... and i knew some big abusers.... hell little old me used a fair bit of PED's lol...
and in the late 90's early 2000's alot of the top bb's in the netherlands were friends or collegues of mine....i little gym way up North lol.... the dutchies here will know what i am talking about;)
most went NABBA ... Universe, these kinds of shows.... as ifbb was and is not very smart for euro guys....
some big, big dudes.... 6'1 140 kilo off season and 120 on stage....another one 6'5, 150 kilo offseason and 126 on stage...
also a lot of light heavies.... all top 3 at nabba Universe....
and these dudes also LOVED the Rave Party's here in the Netherlands.. lol big drug users....
i am talking XTC, GHB, COKE... also before training.... a little COKE....
my buddy who i am still helping was a ifbb world championship competitor... but got screwed over once so badly!!!! he never wants to compete for ifbb again.... he took 3rd place once... but was stripped of his placing due to diuretics use.... the egyptian fella also failed the test but was not stripped of his title.... why o why??? and these egyptian dudes also loved snorting coke btw.... lol...
anyway i am rambling again lol... but most of these dudes are ok!!! 1 had hart problems, but he knew that his whole life... he had the same thing Arnold had done... a new valve...
another one got killed, shot by his friend..... during a drugdeal... lol.... huge basterd! 6'2 and 130 kilos... legit 55 cm arms.... did not help him dodging bullets though ;D ;D ;D
and this is all almost a decade ago.... most are retired now, but still training and using....just not that extreme anymore....
some people can think i do not know what i am talking about , but i do.... and i just call it like i see it....
like i said , i CHOSE not to compete....anymore... as i saw the cult how it was.... in the late 90's it was allready very , very corrupted....
look at the details above..... and tell me steroids are the problem.... what you see is???
narcotics! drugdealing! violence! criminals! killing! and i am not even telling the stories about the woman.... lol....
yea bro im not looking to go pro and get as massive as possible. i mean eventually i'll probably venture up to 2g of gear a week....maybe, but i have not and will not get caught up with drugs/alcohol and have it change my life...call it cliche but its something i pride myself in never getting involved with, yes ive tried stuff, and i still drink here and there, but you know what im saying....IM NOT AN ABUSER/ADDICT!
as i've said before steroids will my drug ;D....and of course i'll still drink here and there but no more than 1-2 a week if that. thanks again for keeping it real with me brotha
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lol i am 32 , also before my time... but they still rock!! legends!
anyway my point was , and still is.... just use common sense.... lol...
steroids when used smart will not harm you...
being a pro, health comes second... it's all about choices....
having said that most guys are know are still fine.... and i knew some big abusers.... hell little old me used a fair bit of PED's lol...
and in the late 90's early 2000's alot of the top bb's in the netherlands were friends or collegues of mine....i little gym way up North lol.... the dutchies here will know what i am talking about;)
most went NABBA ... Universe, these kinds of shows.... as ifbb was and is not very smart for euro guys....
some big, big dudes.... 6'1 140 kilo off season and 120 on stage....another one 6'5, 150 kilo offseason and 126 on stage...
also a lot of light heavies.... all top 3 at nabba Universe....
and these dudes also LOVED the Rave Party's here in the Netherlands.. lol big drug users....
i am talking XTC, GHB, COKE... also before training.... a little COKE....
my buddy who i am still helping was a ifbb world championship competitor... but got screwed over once so badly!!!! he never wants to compete for ifbb again.... he took 3rd place once... but was stripped of his placing due to diuretics use.... the egyptian fella also failed the test but was not stripped of his title.... why o why??? and these egyptian dudes also loved snorting coke btw.... lol...
anyway i am rambling again lol... but most of these dudes are ok!!! 1 had hart problems, but he knew that his whole life... he had the same thing Arnold had done... a new valve...
another one got killed, shot by his friend..... during a drugdeal... lol.... huge basterd! 6'2 and 130 kilos... legit 55 cm arms.... did not help him dodging bullets though ;D ;D ;D
and this is all almost a decade ago.... most are retired now, but still training and using....just not that extreme anymore....
some people can think i do not know what i am talking about , but i do.... and i just call it like i see it....
like i said , i CHOSE not to compete....anymore... as i saw the cult how it was.... in the late 90's it was allready very , very corrupted....
look at the details above..... and tell me steroids are the problem.... what you see is???
narcotics! drugdealing! violence! criminals! killing! and i am not even telling the stories about the woman.... lol....
Tell the stories! Bring it on!
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Tell the stories! Bring it on!
well...
if you think male top bb are sick.....
females are even worse.... of all the females i knew... 80% had eating disorders.....
they all got passed around from one bb to another...lol! orgies.... whatever...
in the end, everybody was fucking everybody....
most are very disturbed , insecure , and unstable people really....
also behind the scenes at shows.... the males usually were cool with each other.... but females.... :-X
also these females stop at nothing to achieve a 1st place... fucking male judges....or supplement company owners....
and even fitness level... means:
primo, clen, t3, winnie, rec drugs ofcourse.... all kinds of "fatburners" which usually means amfetamines....
i would never EVER date some fitness whore.....90% are all the same.... sick in the head!
you should get your woman as far away from bodybuilding/fitness as possible....
once in the gym i used to work out... there was this bb... a champ... he and is new girl.. a "fitness" competitor.... well they were there to train.... after working out we would all sit and drink some coffee at the bar.... always was very nice....great atmosphere....
well after like 30 minutes they left and said goodbye.... but i was not looking at them at the moment... and i heard a deep voice saying "goodbye"... so i said see ya tomorrow bro! only to find out it was his new bitch that said "goodbye" with a deep and manly voice.... sounded more manly then him!! lololol!!
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well...
if you think male top bb are sick.....
females are even worse.... of all the females i knew... 80% had eating disorders.....
they all got passed around from one bb to another...lol! orgies.... whatever...
in the end, everybody was fucking everybody....
most are very disturbed , insecure , and unstable people really....
also behind the scenes at shows.... the males usually were cool with each other.... but females.... :-X
also these females stop at nothing to achieve a 1st place... fucking male judges....or supplement company owners....
and even fitness level... means:
primo, clen, t3, winnie, rec drugs ofcourse.... all kinds of "fatburners" which usually means amfetamines....
i would never EVER date some fitness whore.....90% are all the same.... sick in the head!
you should get your woman as far away from bodybuilding/fitness as possible....
once in the gym i used to work out... there was this bb... a champ... he and is new girl.. a "fitness" competitor.... well they were there to train.... after working out we would all sit and drink some coffee at the bar.... always was very nice....great atmosphere....
well after like 30 minutes they left and said goodbye.... but i was not looking at them at the moment... and i heard a deep voice saying "goodbye"... so i said see ya tomorrow bro! only to find out it was his new bitch that said "goodbye" with a deep and manly voice.... sounded more manly then him!! lololol!!
Gold, pure gold!
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