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or are they ballsy?
think about it, could you make up your mind right now to kill yourself and follow through not knowing whats going to happen on "the otherside?" most people think suiciders are pussies for not being able to deal with thier issues. i beg to differ and think that is an extremely ballsy move, one i can never make no matter how hard life gets.
thoughts?.....
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I think that if you do this kinda thing you have severe mental issues and should be pitied rather than anything else.
God knows what gets people to this stage in their life but thankfully no-one I know or care about has ever done this.
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saw a documentary about the golden gate bridge infamous for so many go there to jump off and kill themselves which made me wonder how they do it. but yeah most have mental issues i suppose.
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Very, very, very complicated topic. Not one that you can simply generalise AT ALL.
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i coudlnt do it.
but...
if i was riddled with cancer, knew i'd be dead in a month... was in 24/7 pain and nausea... and could just lie on a beach and take a handful of painkillers and check out with the sunset, well then it might make sense.
IMO, a lot of people on their deathbed probably up the dose to check out and end the pain. My guess is that death is pretty damn painless. I took a spill in my yard the other day - went head over heels when changing an outside light bulb... bees flew out, the chair i was standing on fell, and i was out for a minute in the yard. If i had died, I woudlnt' have felt a thing. Just changing light one minute, life knocked out of me the next. it's fast. probably just like going to sleep.
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I think if you leave kids/wife/family behind than you would be a coward cause its your responsibility to take care of them. If you're single with no one depending on you than I wouldn't consider them cowards nor brave. No one chooses to be born but taking your own life for some reason remains taboo. I say fuck it do what you want.
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it's fast. probably just like going to sleep.
We'd like to think so anyway. I'm guessing for most there's probably more suffering involved.
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I don't really think so. A buddy of mine killed himself. It devastated the whole town. He had more balls than anyone I ever met. Little guy but the best defense end I've ever seen especially for his size. State champ wrestler to. He tied himself to a tree set himself on fire :-[ He was a nut got hooked on pills and his mother passed from brain cancer. He couldn't take it anymore.
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I think that if you do this kinda thing you have severe mental issues and should be pitied rather than anything else.
God knows what gets people to this stage in their life but thankfully no-one I know or care about has ever done this.
By the way, I don't get it why the word pity raises so strong emotions in some people. Just a hint to that direction and you get people who will say "I don't need your pity man!". How is pity different from sympathy anyway?
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saw a documentary about the golden gate bridge infamous for so many go there to jump off and kill themselves which made me wonder how they do it.
I could never go that way. I'll take the exit bag.
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saw a documentary about the golden gate bridge infamous for so many go there to jump off and kill themselves which made me wonder how they do it. but yeah most have mental issues i suppose.
Dude, that documentary was awesome. That one dude with long hair, when he jumps, he just hopped on the edge and stood up and fell. He looked like a doll. Most of the other people flailed around, he took it like a pro. Then that one dude who survived, you could tell he is still a mess. Anyways, suiciders are pussies.
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Anyways, suiciders are pussies.
Hardly.
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By the way, I don't get it why the word pity raises so strong emotions in some people. Just a hint to that direction and you get people who will say "I don't need your pity man!". How is pity different from sympathy anyway?
Exactly!
Pity is not patronising or arrogant.
When I say the word I mean empathy or sympathy.
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or are they ballsy?
think about it, could you make up your mind right now to kill yourself and follow through not knowing whats going to happen on "the otherside?" most people think suiciders are pussies for not being able to deal with thier issues. i beg to differ and think that is an extremely ballsy move, one i can never make no matter how hard life gets.
thoughts?.....
its a bit of both... noone commits suicide because they are happy. people commit suicide because they gave up on life ( for whatever reason), nd cant handle it like a man... but i never understood they saying " he took the easy way out"... its not easy. its takes gutys to stare a gun down and pulling the trigger. or going on a roof and jumping off.
i sometimes think about death ( after having some really close encounters, which i wont get to today, maybe sometime down the road i'll vent). The part that i cant wrap my head around is the moment of death. what happens? is it like you fall asleep? or is it painful? i cant understand when people say he died peacefully, how can that be? if your heart stops, isnt that painful? isnt it like a heart attack? you pretty much die because blood and oxygen stop circulating...or when people die in their sleep, what happens at that momemnt? do you know its happening? is it like pitch black and you and boom thats it? no i have not been drinking lol
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The part that i cant wrap my head around is the moment of death. what happens? is it like you fall asleep? or is it painful? i cant understand when people say he died peacefully, how can that be? if your heart stops, isnt that painful? isnt it like a heart attack? you pretty much die because blood and oxygen stop circulating...or when people die in their sleep, what happens at that momemnt? do you know its happening? is it like pitch black and you and boom thats it? no i have not been drinking lol
It's gotta be miserable, no matter how it happens.
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Or maybe just stupid.
I know what's going to happen "on the other side:" jack shit. Nothing. Non-existence.
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people without problems don't kill them self - hope this helps
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or are they ballsy?
think about it, could you make up your mind right now to kill yourself and follow through not knowing whats going to happen on "the otherside?" most people think suiciders are pussies for not being able to deal with thier issues. i beg to differ and think that is an extremely ballsy move, one i can never make no matter how hard life gets.
thoughts?.....
Cowards
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https://www.google.ca/search?q=suicide+victims+brains&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
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they could be one of many different things. extremely faithful. extremely hopeful. extremely tormented. extremely depressed. etc.
it would be a rare case where the word "coward" applies though, i think.
in fact im finding it very difficult to think up a possible possibilty where it would.
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its a bit of both... noone commits suicide because they are happy. people commit suicide because they gave up on life ( for whatever reason), nd cant handle it like a man... but i never understood they saying " he took the easy way out"... its not easy. its takes gutys to stare a gun down and pulling the trigger. or going on a roof and jumping off.
i sometimes think about death ( after having some really close encounters, which i wont get to today, maybe sometime down the road i'll vent). The part that i cant wrap my head around is the moment of death. what happens? is it like you fall asleep? or is it painful? i cant understand when people say he died peacefully, how can that be? if your heart stops, isnt that painful? isnt it like a heart attack? you pretty much die because blood and oxygen stop circulating...or when people die in their sleep, what happens at that momemnt? do you know its happening? is it like pitch black and you and boom thats it? no i have not been drinking lol
I wonder the same thing...
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its a bit of both... noone commits suicide because they are happy. people commit suicide because they gave up on life ( for whatever reason), nd cant handle it like a man... but i never understood they saying " he took the easy way out"... its not easy. its takes gutys to stare a gun down and pulling the trigger. or going on a roof and jumping off.
i sometimes think about death ( after having some really close encounters, which i wont get to today, maybe sometime down the road i'll vent). The part that i cant wrap my head around is the moment of death. what happens? is it like you fall asleep? or is it painful? i cant understand when people say he died peacefully, how can that be? if your heart stops, isnt that painful? isnt it like a heart attack? you pretty much die because blood and oxygen stop circulating...or when people die in their sleep, what happens at that momemnt? do you know its happening? is it like pitch black and you and boom thats it? no i have not been drinking lol
is it even possible to die ? :)
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Or maybe just stupid.
I know what's going to happen "on the other side:" jack shit. Nothing. Non-existence.
Thats probably why they do it. You don't think devout christians or other religious people commit suicide do you? It mostly people who don't believe, and just want to end the pain/problems.
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It mostly people who don't believe, and just want to end the pain/problems.
Agreed. End it.
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They aren't cowards, unless you've been in their shoes, shut your fucking face.
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After coming very close to offin myself several times I often wondered later whether I had the balls to keep living or I just didn't have the balls to do it. Going through that kind of depression definitely made me a lot more mentally stronger.
I don't really think so. A buddy of mine killed himself. It devastated the whole town. He had more balls than anyone I ever met. Little guy but the best defense end I've ever seen especially for his size. State champ wrestler to. He tied himself to a tree set himself on fire :-[ He was a nut got hooked on pills and his mother passed from brain cancer. He couldn't take it anymore.
Damn, setting yourself on fire is a ballsy way to kill yourself. Shotgun / handgun is insta death.
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They aren't cowards, unless you've been in their shoes, shut your fucking face.
X2 they are some tough bastards it takes balls to take yourself out...
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After coming very close to offin myself several times I often wondered later whether I had the balls to keep living or I just didn't have the balls to do it. Going through that kind of depression definitely made me a lot more mentally stronger.
Damn, setting yourself on fire is a ballsy way to kill yourself. Shotgun / handgun is insta death.
Thats the key I think. You have to be either terminally ill/ tremendous pain, or mentally ill (severe depression) Normal people don't kill themselves.
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This guy that I used to work with (strip ) committed suicide about 5 month ago .
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Thats the key I think. You have to be either terminally ill/ tremendous pain, or mentally ill (severe depression) Normal people don't kill themselves.
Correct. The severe depression aspect is no fucking joke.
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This guy that I used to work with (strip ) committed suicide about 5 month ago .
PIP
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How?
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My brother is a paramedic.
Most suicides by hanging the victim is found with scratches all over their neck and often broken fingers as they try to get out of the noose once the realisation of what they done hits them.
Most people hang themselves to kill themselves in Belfast.
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How?
The last time he went to get his eyebrows done they stripped his face clean off.
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How?
Shot himself .
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Shot himself .
Damn.
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How?
Probably slit his wrists over some stupid whore.
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Damn.
I would think that shooting yourself would be the easiest way.
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I would think that shooting yourself would be the easiest way.
Fast, but FUCK. So violent.
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Fast, but FUCK. So violent.
Violent for the people that discover your body? Sure. Quick and Painless for those involved.
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Violent for the people that discover your body? Sure. Quick and Painless for those involved.
alexis arguello shot himself in the chest, ive read its pretty common among female suicides
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I don't really think so. A buddy of mine killed himself. It devastated the whole town. He had more balls than anyone I ever met. Little guy but the best defense end I've ever seen especially for his size. State champ wrestler to. He tied himself to a tree set himself on fire :-[ He was a nut got hooked on pills and his mother passed from brain cancer. He couldn't take it anymore.
damn, thats hard core.
1. depression is a bitch, but there is help via medication etc.
2. when prolonged living is prolonged dying, then its ok to kill yourself
3. RARELY are things so serious that you should to kill yourself.
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My brother is a paramedic.
Most suicides by hanging the victim is found with scratches all over their neck and often broken fingers as they try to get out of the noose once the realisation of what they done hits them.
Most people hang themselves to kill themselves in Belfast.
Erotic asphyxiation.
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alexis arguello shot himself in the chest, ive read its pretty common among female suicides
Too risky. Easy to miss the heart with a chest shot.
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My brother is a paramedic.
Most suicides by hanging the victim is found with scratches all over their neck and often broken fingers as they try to get out of the noose once the realisation of what they done hits them.
Sounds like a painful way to go.
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I would guess shotgun to the face/magnum to the temple, would be the surest ways. Even then people have been known to survive.
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In the mouth, toward the brain. Sure thing.
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1. get a spray tan
2. go to flordia and look for a fat mexican neighborhood watch fag
3. hit him in the dick
4. RUN NEEGA RUN
surest way to kill self
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1. get a spray tan
2. go to flordia and look for a fat mexican neighborhood watch fag
3. hit him in the dick
4. RUN NEEGA RUN
surest way to kill self
;D
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Erotic asphyxiation.
INXS
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Go to Juarez, Mexico, and openly sell coke on the corner: "Drogas, putos! Ondele!"
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no they arent cowards
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or are they ballsy?
think about it, could you make up your mind right now to kill yourself and follow through not knowing whats going to happen on "the otherside?" most people think suiciders are pussies for not being able to deal with thier issues. i beg to differ and think that is an extremely ballsy move, one i can never make no matter how hard life gets.
thoughts?.....
Takes immense courage to end ones life - period
Human Beings always love to attack others - and when people committ suicide is a perfect example - it's not bad enough a human being took his life as he was suffering deeply, but others feel the need (especially religous people) to insult the memory of there life by calling them cowards. This act of calling someone who took his own life a COWARD is in fact an act of Cowardice - as the person is no longer here to defend themselves. In Japan, taraditionally for samurais, The taking of ones life is considred an honorable way to die after shaming oneself in battle. Western cultures are fucked up, they have created a system whereby everyone dislikes everyone else and people can't help but attack everybody and everything around them. The average person has little good to say about others, but heaps scorn on pretty much everything around him. Unfortunately modern man is a miserable creature - those who commit suicide just couldn't tolerate this fact a moment longer.
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Some intelligent responses in this thread, good stuff.
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the people who say suiciders are pussies must be real badasses ::)
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the people who say suiciders are pussies must be real badasses ::)
Same kind of people who think that "being a man" or "being strong" is holding all your emotions back and being a stoic c unt. Anybody who's actually strong isn't afraid to show some emotion i.e.cry etc.
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Same kind of people who think that "being a man" or "being strong" is holding all your emotions back and being a stoic c unt. Anybody who's actually strong isn't afraid to show some emotion i.e.cry etc.
Thats Homo talk you fucking sissy, now grap hold of your Nutsack and Man up for fuck sake, talking all that Homosexual nonsense.
real Men Don't Cry ;D
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Thats Homo talk you fucking sissy, now grap hold of your Nutsack and Man up for fuck sake, talking all that Homosexual nonsense.
real Men Don't Cry ;D
All jokes aside, nothing better than having a good cry when you've lost a Dear One etc.
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Dude, that documentary was awesome. That one dude with long hair, when he jumps, he just hopped on the edge and stood up and fell. He looked like a doll. Most of the other people flailed around, he took it like a pro. Then that one dude who survived, you could tell he is still a mess. Anyways, suiciders are pussies.
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I think if you leave kids/wife/family behind than you would be a coward cause its your responsibility to take care of them. If you're single with no one depending on you than I wouldn't consider them cowards nor brave. No one chooses to be born but taking your own life for some reason remains taboo. I say fuck it do what you want.
A very close friend of mine, actually a training partner of mine when we were younger, killed himself at the age of 41 - I miss him every day! He was a good man, a strong man and an inspiration. He was originally my older brothers mate, but we started training together at the gym as I was still only 19 I was a hard trainer - he was also one of the strongest natural trainers I have ever trained with - he had a higher intensity level than the average human being, perhaps this was also part of his problem. I don't know what happened between the last time I seen him and the time he hung himself in his backyard a few years later - but the story goes that his wife was having an affair, their was a lot of heated arguments and some domestic abuse - my friend had two children. One day he come home early from a business trip and caught his wife fucking a work colleague. A week later he was dead. My friend was a solid citizen with no hints of mental illness. His only real hang up was at the age of 18 discovering he was adopted and that his parents weren't his real parents. Anyway, he hung himself in his backyard so his wife would find him, that bitch then rang her lover to come and cut him down from the tree. They then rang the emergency services. I never liked his wife and always thought she was a bitch! She never even told the police she was having an affair when they investigated, this information only came out at the coroners inquest, she said she didn't think it was relevant. Anyway, I miss my friend, I do not think he is a coward, I am sorry that his personal pain was so overwhelming that he had to check out, and I will always think fondly of him. I must stop, as I am beginning to get emotional.
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also just to add, my friend told his closest friend at the time (a policeman of 20 years) that he was going to kill himself - this was not like my friend to speak like that! and he was the type of person who only made verbal things he was actually going to do, he was not a man who was full of hot air, he was a fairly serious guy, anyway, his friend dismissed him and said that he will call in a couple of days, two days later he was dead - so please people, monitor your loved ones closely when they are struggling thorough a hard time, you may just save their life!
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My dad did it when I was 12. Bad depression problems self medicated with drink and drugs. I miss him obviously but I don't miss the drama that followed his every move (psych wards, cops turning up when he went missing for several days which happened constantly, his lies).
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or are they ballsy?
think about it, could you make up your mind right now to kill yourself and follow through not knowing whats going to happen on "the otherside?" most people think suiciders are pussies for not being able to deal with thier issues. i beg to differ and think that is an extremely ballsy move, one i can never make no matter how hard life gets.
thoughts?.....
Ballsy. They aren't drifting dreamers who live day by day thinking that "one day they will start doing something".. but never will, and they get depressed, bitter, angry, frustrated, asocial just because if we're being honest, they are just a lazy bunch.. lol and with all the talk that "I could kill myself" but never even do that, they just crave for pity and hugs...
those who have killed themselves have accepted that there's nothing for them, it's time to turn to the next page, whatever it might hold, so they kill themselves.
But those who kill themselves from pure sorrow and whatnot is another subject entirely.
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My brother is a paramedic.
Most suicides by hanging the victim is found with scratches all over their neck and often broken fingers as they try to get out of the noose once the realisation of what they done hits them.
Most people hang themselves to kill themselves in Belfast.
I've seen a few vids of people hanging themselves, they never do that, they simply get unconscious, you actually fall unconscious pretty fast.
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A very close friend of mine, actually a training partner of mine when we were younger, killed himself at the age of 41 - I miss him every day! He was a good man, a strong man and an inspiration. He was originally my older brothers mate, but we started training together at the gym as I was still only 19 I was a hard trainer - he was also one of the strongest natural trainers I have ever trained with - he had a higher intensity level than the average human being, perhaps this was also part of his problem. I don't know what happened between the last time I seen him and the time he hung himself in his backyard a few years later - but the story goes that his wife was having an affair, their was a lot of heated arguments and some domestic abuse - my friend had two children. One day he come home early from a business trip and caught his wife fucking a work colleague. A week later he was dead. My friend was a solid citizen with no hints of mental illness. His only real hang up was at the age of 18 discovering he was adopted and that his parents weren't his real parents. Anyway, he hung himself in his backyard so his wife would find him, that bitch then rang her lover to come and cut him down from the tree. They then rang the emergency services. I never liked his wife and always thought she was a bitch! She never even told the police she was having an affair when they investigated, this information only came out at the coroners inquest, she said she didn't think it was relevant. Anyway, I miss my friend, I do not think he is a coward, I am sorry that his personal pain was so overwhelming that he had to check out, and I will always think fondly of him. I must stop, as I am beginning to get emotional.
:'(
also just to add, my friend told his closest friend at the time (a policeman of 20 years) that he was going to kill himself - this was not like my friend to speak like that! and he was the type of person who only made verbal things he was actually going to do, he was not a man who was full of hot air, he was a fairly serious guy, anyway, his friend dismissed him and said that he will call in a couple of days, two days later he was dead - so please people, monitor your loved ones closely when they are struggling thorough a hard time, you may just save their life!
Sorry to hear about your friend go out like that but you and I both know what he should've done was to kill the whore instead. Ok, maybe just beat the shit out of her but at least stick around for your kids. Its gotta be fucked up being a young child knowing your father killed himself.
My dad did it when I was 12. Bad depression problems self medicated with drink and drugs. I miss him obviously but I don't miss the drama that followed his every move (psych wards, cops turning up when he went missing for several days which happened constantly, his lies).
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not a good move: your "lessons" will be exponentially harsher so you "get it" this time
I did it in my last life: Romania 1960's .. I was a 12 yo boy
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Correct. The severe depression aspect is no fucking joke.
unless someone has seen a loved one with or felt themselves a severe depression .. it's impossible to understand the bleakness of living and sense of hope in dying they live with
no matter IF there is something else we experience after death .. it still offers relief from the anguish and pain that deep depression fills you with
going for help is demeaning and embarrassing to most people and the social stigma is also a factor in keeping folks from getting treatment
Everyone has a right to end their life .. it's THEIR life .. it's hard on loved ones left behind .. but any loss of someone you love is hard to handle .. no need to make suicide a crime or weakness/flaw of character ... walk in their shoes before judging
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unless someone has seen a loved one with or felt themselves a severe depression .. it's impossible to understand the bleakness of living and sense of hope in dying they live with
no matter IF there is something else we experience after death .. it still offers relief from the anguish and pain that deep depression fills you with
going for help is demeaning and embarrassing to most people and the social stigma is also a factor in keeping folks from getting treatment
Everyone has a right to end their life .. it's THEIR life .. it's hard on loved ones left behind .. but any loss of someone you love is hard to handle .. no need to make suicide a crime or weakness/flaw of character ... walk in their shoes before judging
I think they coulb be classified as weak minded though (coward is a different word) For every person that has commoted suicide, there are thousands of people who battled through their problems and came out the other side.
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Sorry to hear about your friend go out like that but you and I both know what he should've done was to kill the whore instead. Ok, maybe just beat the shit out of her but at least stick around for your kids. Its gotta be fucked up being a young child knowing your father killed himself.
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Kids always the losers, I remember the funeral, and I didn't think I was going to lose it, but it was at the funeral we got a lot more details about what had happened - but I cried like a baby! and I remember seeing his kids, and I don't think they understood at all what had happened they were about 6 & 8 at the time, they were running around actually having a good time at the funeral, but I just remember the bitch didn't even give him a decent funeral, they showed only one photo of him, and it was one of him when he was younger with his motorcycle helmet on, they didn't even show his face, and no homo, but he was a classically handsome man, muscular square jaw, just a good looking physically strong guy. a mans man, very fun to hang out with! Once again I must stop, as it has made me very emotional! Thanks for your condolences!
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I think they coulb be classified as weak minded though (coward is a different word) For every person that has commoted suicide, there are thousands of people who battled through their problems and came out the other side.
The people who battle this already call themselves weak/coward/helpless/worthless amongst other things
I just choose to take the stance of not labeling them as anything other than hurt and needing relief from what makes them so full of pain
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not a good move: your "lessons" will be exponentially harsher so you "get it" this time
I did it in my last life: Romania 1960's .. I was a 12 yo boy
Is this a gag post, or are you serious!
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I think if you leave kids/wife/family behind than you would be a coward cause its your responsibility to take care of them.
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Very, very, very complicated topic. Not one that you can simply generalise AT ALL.
Exactly, you can't compare a teenager who got bullied on FB with a parent who lost his/her whole family in a plane crash.
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Is this a gag post, or are you serious!
I'm very serious .. so when I say not good I speak from expirience
People commit suicide as an easy out from their lessons . but it's not easy at all .. it actually makes things much much more difficult
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I'm very serious .. so when I say not good I speak from expirience
People commit suicide as an easy out from their lessons . but it's not easy at all .. it actually makes things much much more difficult
are you suggesting that you have memories of a past life!
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are you suggesting that you have memories of a past life!
Yes. Several. I also do this for others.
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Yes. Several. I also do this for others.
I am the greatest cynic - isn't it easy to just say you have experienced something that can't actually be verified or proven
The memory seems to have trouble recalling events of this life let alone a past one
and why aren't more people experiencing this phenomena?
and what possible benefit can remembering a past life have if the majority can't even make sense of this one!
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not a good move: your "lessons" will be exponentially harsher so you "get it" this time
I did it in my last life: Romania 1960's .. I was a 12 yo boy
You.Are.Mentally.Ill.
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I am the greatest cynic - isn't it easy to just say you have experienced something that can't actually be verified or proven
The memory seems to have trouble recalling events of this life let alone a past one
and why aren't more people experiencing this phenomena?
and what possible benefit can remembering a past life have if the majority can't even make sense of this one!
VERY well said .. I made sens outta this one.. so I am tying loose ends and reconnecting with my multi-dimensional self.
As far as proof: I know what I know. And that's all that matters to me. I don't seek approval. People come to me .. I don't seek them.
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Yes. Several. I also do this for others.
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VERY well said .. I made sens outta this one.. so I am tying loose ends and reconnecting with my multi-dimensional self.
As far as proof: I know what I know. And that's all that matters to me. I don't seek approval. People come to me .. I don't seek them.
That counts for nothing, people go to all sorts of quacks.
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Some perhaps are and many are likely not.
This question doesn't have one answer as all people are different as are all suicides and the reasons/motivations behind them.
To suggest there is one correct answer is to show incredible ignorance, stupidity and arrogance. What person can know exactly what goes on in another's mind? And what individual can suggest another's final action in suicide was the result of cowardice?
I do, however, laugh when the whole topic of "the other side" comes up. Listen, folks. When you die, you die. Lights out. Game over. Body decomposes and there is no "spirit" that "lives on". Give me a friggin' break. You're taking a permanent dirt nap. And your memory will die sooner or later as those who knew you come to their end. It's inevitable.
This isn't pessimism; it's reality.
I mean, who cares about "living on" in some form? Is your ego really that out of control? You are important, sure ... but not really.
Enjoy that which you enjoy and try not to step on anyone else's toes. It's the best that can happen.
As far as death hurting, well, some methods of death clearly hurt, but then again, what's hurting? Hell, getting your digit snagged in a car door hurts, as does stubbing your toe, or having a real bad stomach flu. Or having a tooth pulled. Or ... You get the point.
If someone wants to off himself, go for it. I do, however, feel it isn't too pleasant to do it in a way so as to torment another for the rest of his life. Unless this is your game. But then, if it is, well, you are offing yourself for a goofy reason. Like wasting yourself over a broad. Once a dude realizes how stupid the game of boy-girl relationships is, he'll likely never consider a bullet to the face over some dizzy dame.
Having a right to kill ourselves is the ultimate proof of freedom. Hell knows what passes for "freedom" today isn't. Governments regulate every fuckin' aspect of our lives, whether you see it or not.
If I wanna own a gun, I am going to own a gun. Fuck the police. And if I want to jam a stick of dynamite in my piehole and light the fuse, well, that's my right.
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Well said.
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i guess it depends on when a person hits that breakin point and just says fug it. ive been there once or twice
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Depression is no joke. Society has empathy toward people with cancer and heart disease etc. Yet for the most part are totally ignorant when it comes to people with mental Illness. Suicide in a lot cases is the end game of someone with Melancholy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melancholia
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Sev who have you been in your previous lives?
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not a good move: your "lessons" will be exponentially harsher so you "get it" this time
I did it in my last life: Romania 1960's .. I was a 12 yo boy
I agree that its always in your best interests to try to understand what is being shown to you "lessons" in the now.
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OP, I disagree... Who cares what's on the otherside? You'll never know till you get there and death in an inevitability anyway. So in reality, crossing over to the other side has an equal chance of being amazing just as it could be horrid.
People don't just "choose" to end their life. They give up because they can't deal with life. Who was the last stress free, happy, well off person that you knew to just go ahead and end their life because they were curious? I'm going to guess that there is no one you know like this because people who are enjoying life don't usually contemplate much the thought of ending it.
Death is the easy way out. Life is hard. Remember, the measure of a person is better determined not by what happens to them in life but by how they react to the things that happen to them.
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Also, it's selfish. Most people have at least SOMEONE in the world who cares about them. It's pretty selfish to not think of those who care about you when you're thinking about what a "ballsy mofo" you must be because you could kill yourself lol.
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Also, it's selfish. Most people have at least SOMEONE in the world who cares about them. It's pretty selfish to not think of those who care about you when you're thinking about what a "ballsy mofo" you must be because you could kill yourself lol.
Do you really believe someone so desperate is thinking about how "ballsy" they will appear?
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They aren't cowards, unless you've been in their shoes, shut your fucking face.
once again the ignorance of this board blows my mind.
i agree with wiggs.
to the people who say they are cowards, cos they need to look after their family.
imagine a point where YOUR love and sense of responsibility for your family is no longer enough to keep your will to be alive.
are you saying u love your family more than them?- in my experience this isnt the case.
I actually think its ballsy...even when the pain is so bad. It's like that dude who severed his own hand to get out of that rock.
How many of you wouldve just died in there?...lots i bet.
What would you prefer as a person's family?- that they live their life in torment and sadness- for you?
People who have never experienced depression just dont have a clue...they dont, cos they cant. So they feel no empathy.
To get some of an idea, think of the worst you've felt, ever, in your life, and imagine that 24/7.
Imagine how long you can "deal with it like a man"...
1 year, 2, 3, 5, 10?..at what point do you decide that its going to be the way you feel for your whole life?- after holding out for it to "get better"- and "dealing with it like a man"?...
You must be in a world of pain to commit suicide. Still, to go through with it you've got to have guts.
Some people dont want to put their kids/family through the pain of their loss, so rationalise that they should kill them too- to save them from the sorrow... this makes perfect sense when u love your family so much.
rational?- not to someone who isnt depressed. To someone who is, and is caught between offing themselves and staying the distance- mainly so their family doesnt have to bury them, its rational and logical.
And its not selfish either.
like i said, the ignorance here blows me away.
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Do you really believe someone so desperate is thinking about how "ballsy" they will appear?
I was responding to the OP
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Oh, sorry.
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OP, I disagree... Who cares what's on the otherside? You'll never know till you get there and death in an inevitability anyway. So in reality, crossing over to the other side has an equal chance of being amazing just as it could be horrid.
People don't just "choose" to end their life. They give up because they can't deal with life. Who was the last stress free, happy, well off person that you knew to just go ahead and end their life because they were curious? I'm going to guess that there is no one you know like this because people who are enjoying life don't usually contemplate much the thought of ending it.
Death is the easy way out. Life is hard. Remember, the measure of a person is better determined not by what happens to them in life but by how they react to the things that happen to them.
Well there is the elephant in the room called religion. Christians believe you go straight to hell if you commit suicide.
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Well there is the elephant in the room called religion. Christians believe you go straight to hell if you commit suicide.
I think only Catholics believe this.
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nah suicide don't = hell, I don't think.
the bible isn't too clear about it, I don't think.
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nah suicide don't = hell, I don't think.
the bible isn't too clear about it, I don't think.
Where is Tbombz when you need him.
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People who commit suicide are mental patients....(except for balance suicides, like insurance money for children and stuff)
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Sev who have you been in your previous lives?
I have always been myself ;)
It's a personal question and this forum is not for serious matters.
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Well there is the elephant in the room called religion. Christians believe you go straight to hell if you commit suicide.
No, Christians don't believe that. Like The Ugly said, I think Catholics believe that (that's what I've been told .... I'm not sure).
People who commit suicide are not in their right minds at the moment imo.
I was told from someone once that (most) people that commit suicide don't actually want to die ...at least they are not focusing on their death...they just want the pain to stop.
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nah suicide don't = hell, I don't think.
the bible isn't too clear about it, I don't think.
Denominations and religion is notorious for preaching hell for people who commit suicide, but I have read the entire Bible many times and it does not say you will go to hell.
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Or maybe just stupid.
I know what's going to happen "on the other side:" jack shit. Nothing. Non-existence.
I've been wondering, so you've been? How was it like in the astral plane...
It takes no effort to go "play in traffic"---walk in front of a bus, step in front of a subway.
It takes no effort to jump off a bridge, off of a roof...it takes no effort to jump into a tiger's cage...
All it takes is, want and then, bam! You do it.
Life, now that takes effort. Many people get fed up with the effort that life takes. Whether it be due to issues (women who have been raped sometimes have thoughts or acts of suicide), mental illness, loss of job, loss of loved ones, social and peer pressure. Living life especially with one hit after another, many people don't want to put the effort into living...they want the "game to be over", no more tokens.
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OP, I disagree... Who cares what's on the otherside? You'll never know till you get there and death in an inevitability anyway. So in reality, crossing over to the other side has an equal chance of being amazing just as it could be horrid.
People don't just "choose" to end their life. They give up because they can't deal with life. Who was the last stress free, happy, well off person that you knew to just go ahead and end their life because they were curious? I'm going to guess that there is no one you know like this because people who are enjoying life don't usually contemplate much the thought of ending it.
Death is the easy way out. Life is hard. Remember, the measure of a person is better determined not by what happens to them in life but by how they react to the things that happen to them.
Many "well off" people have depression and think about suicide. But very few talk about it. And in a lot of cases its not the fact that they can't deal with life outside of them but don't like what is in their head. In some cases life outside the head is the easy part.
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What a release, to just fall asleep and never wake up again.
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I think only Catholics believe this.
As a Catholic I was not taught this. I think traditionally it was taught though.
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I personally have admiration for people who can just end their own lives. It's really a courageous act.
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Life, now that takes effort. Many people get fed up with the effort that life takes. Whether it be due to issues, mental illness, loss of job, loss of loved ones, social and peer pressure ... Living life, especially with one hit after another, many people don't want to put the effort into living ... they want the "game' to be over. No more tokens.
Exactly. And it's every individual's right to do as he chooses.
I hate when people say, in objection to suicide, that, Well, it takes guts and effort to live.
Perhaps the person doesn't want to give the effort simply because he doesn't enjoy life. This is fair enough.
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Many "well off" people have depression and think about suicide. But very few talk about it. And in a lot of cases its not the fact that they can't deal with life outside of them but don't like what is in their head. In some cases life outside the head is the easy part.
I agree with this, life in its physical form is easy, physical strains and pain is nothing in comparison to mental stress and pain
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What a release, to just fall asleep and never wake up again.
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I was told by a Priest who believed in exorcism that is how people end up as ghosts, they do not know they died- they end up walking their familiar "grounds" forever.
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Priests have all kinds of silly beliefs.