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UPDATE: Sudan President Declares War On South Sudan
KAMPALA Uganda (Dow Jones) — Sudan’s president, Omar al-Bashir, Thursday declared war on South Sudan, vowing to topple its government.
The move comes after Sudan’s parliament passed a resolution branding South Sudan’s ruling party an enemy that “must be fought until it is defeated.”
Sudan and South Sudan are embroiled in the worst clashes along their poorly defined border since the secession of the South last summer. The United Nations Security Council is considering sanctions on both countries in an attempt to end the violence, and demanded South Sudanese forces withdraw from their occupation of the 60,000-barrels-a-day oil field Heglig oil field. Both countries continue to ignore calls to end the fighting.
On a visit Thursday to the oil-rich, restive border state of South Kordofan, Bashir rallied his troops, which are now engaged on three fronts with South Sudan.
“Heglig isn’t the end, it is the beginning, and we shall go all the way to [South Sudanese capital] Juba,” Bashir told a rally.
South Sudan’s army spokesman, Col. Philip Aguer, dismissed Bashir’s threat, saying that the South’s army would keep Sudan’s aggression at bay.
“If they didn’t defeat us when we were a green army, how will they defeat us now,” he said.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120419-708474.html
I'm actually surprised it took the wanted Muslim war criminal and his genocidal country this long to declare war on the South. Here's to hoping they pay him and his cronies back for the 500,000+ that were massacred in Darfur by the MUSLIM janjaweed.
Will the Usurper get involved? I'm guessing it's only a matter of time until he throws South Sudan under the bus.
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Lol, itll be interesting to see where he sides (the Usurper).
Given his seeming tendancy to support Palestine of Is, it seems like he should support South Sudan. Somehow, I doubt it.
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Wonder if the hypocrites the world over will turn a blind eye again to any genocides carried out by the MUSLIMS.
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i'm hoping everyone in sudan blows up everyone in sudan.
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i'm hoping everyone in sudan blows up everyone in sudan.
Aren't you cute with your trolling. Honestly, take away all your lies and fairy tales worshiping the Usurper and it's clear that you don't bring much else to these discussions.
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Wonder if the hypocrites the world over will turn a blind eye again to any genocides carried out by the MUSLIMS.
Of course, the world treats Muslims with kid gloves. Kind of reminds me of that spoiled kid at the family christman, that no one wants to punish for his behavior cause its not their kid, and every fucking year he gets worse and worse because he thinks he can get away with whatever the fuck he wants.
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Aren't you cute with your trolling. Honestly, take away all your lies and fairy tales worshiping the Usurper and it's clear that you don't bring much else to these discussions.
my point is that as americans, we gotta focus upon what's wrong here. People getting killed in USA. People starving in USA. It sucks bad stuff is happening, but really, sharks eat goldfish every day and I can't stop that. Cold weather kills bugs every year and i can't stop that. Some ppl on other side of world kill each other, and really, it's just the world being the world.
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my point is that as americans, we gotta focus upon what's wrong here. People getting killed in USA. People starving in USA. It sucks bad stuff is happening, but really, sharks eat goldfish every day and I can't stop that. Cold weather kills bugs every year and i can't stop that. Some ppl on other side of world kill each other, and really, it's just the world being the world.
Fuck off. Am I advocating intervening? No. This plays into my entire argument for the US leaving that worthless joke of an organization known as the UN and the long-running hypocrisy of all the "human rights" advocates in the world who turn a blind eye to everything going on in Africa and wherever Muslims have large enough numbers to persecute the religious minorities.
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Fuck off. Am I advocating intervening? No. This plays into my entire argument for the US leaving that worthless joke of an organization known as the UN and the long-running hypocrisy of all the "human rights" advocates in the world who turn a blind eye to everything going on in Africa and wherever Muslims have large enough numbers to persecute the religious minorities.
An angry man right there.
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An angry man right there.
Please don't stalk me like you do 333. I've had my fair share over the years and the whole "creepy, obsessive grown man stalking another man" thing lost its luster long ago.
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Fuck off. Am I advocating intervening? No. This plays into my entire argument for the US leaving that worthless joke of an organization known as the UN and the long-running hypocrisy of all the "human rights" advocates in the world who turn a blind eye to everything going on in Africa and wherever Muslims have large enough numbers to persecute the religious minorities.
I'd be okay with us leaving the UN, sure. This whole half-ass committment to them is weak. Either we leave, evict them, and put up our walls, or we just commit 100% and work to save this world.
This current practice of only seeming to get involved if the countries have terrorists or oil or prime location = bullshit.
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Fuck off. Am I advocating intervening? No. This plays into my entire argument for the US leaving that worthless joke of an organization known as the UN and the long-running hypocrisy of all the "human rights" advocates in the world who turn a blind eye to everything going on in Africa and wherever Muslims have large enough numbers to persecute the religious minorities.
Actually it would be dumb for us to leave the UN...actually, even though we cry about it, the fact is the U.S dominates the UN and we are often able to get the UN to do what we want them to do....If the Un was as bad as people say it is we would have left a long time ago...
Not to mention., leaving the UN would leave Israel open to the stupid naked aggression and hate of the other countries toward Israel...
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Actually it would be dumb for us to leave the UN...actually, even though we cry about it, the fact is the U.S dominates the UN and we are often able to get the UN to do what we want them to do....If the Un was as bad as people say it is we would have left a long time ago...
Not to mention., leaving the UN would leave Israel open to the stupid naked aggression and hate of the other countries toward Israel...
The UN is as bad and we should've left a long time ago.
We don't dominate shit there, and it's only sometimes they we can get the security cancel to agree with us...and even then it's often by them simply abstaining.
Why aren't you advocating we attack here? According to you and KC it's justified to go after tyrants and murderers? What's the hold up?
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Actually it would be dumb for us to leave the UN...actually, even though we cry about it, the fact is the U.S dominates the UN and we are often able to get the UN to do what we want them to do....If the Un was as bad as people say it is we would have left a long time ago...
Not to mention., leaving the UN would leave Israel open to the stupid naked aggression and hate of the other countries toward Israel...
Actually, the only countries that consistently vote with the US are England and Israel. The rest exist for no other reason than to destroy our sovereignty and bleed us dry. The UN is the most corrupt, incompetent and worthless organization on the planet.
It's dominated by dictators, despots and tyrants because *surprise* most of the countries on this planet are dominated by dictators, depots and tyrants.
It has long out-lived its purpose and is more of a running joke with its awesome accomplishments like giving Human Rights Council spots to such beacons of progress as Saudi Arabia and Libya.
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Actually, the only countries that consistently vote with the US are England and Israel. The rest exist for no other reason than to destroy our sovereignty and bleed us dry. The UN is the most corrupt, incompetent and worthless organization on the planet.
It's dominated by dictators, despots and tyrants because *surprise* most of the countries on this planet are dominated by dictators, depots and tyrants.
It has long out-lived its purpose and is more of a running joke with its awesome accomplishments like giving Human Rights Council spots to such beacons of progress as Saudi Arabia and Libya.
Stop using logic.
Just cause the majority of the rest of the countries are ruled by dictators and desposts doesnt mean thats going to translate over to their UN choices!
/sarcasm
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UPDATE: Sudan President Declares War On South Sudan
KAMPALA Uganda (Dow Jones) — Sudan’s president, Omar al-Bashir, Thursday declared war on South Sudan, vowing to topple its government.
The move comes after Sudan’s parliament passed a resolution branding South Sudan’s ruling party an enemy that “must be fought until it is defeated.”
Sudan and South Sudan are embroiled in the worst clashes along their poorly defined border since the secession of the South last summer. The United Nations Security Council is considering sanctions on both countries in an attempt to end the violence, and demanded South Sudanese forces withdraw from their occupation of the 60,000-barrels-a-day oil field Heglig oil field. Both countries continue to ignore calls to end the fighting.
On a visit Thursday to the oil-rich, restive border state of South Kordofan, Bashir rallied his troops, which are now engaged on three fronts with South Sudan.
“Heglig isn’t the end, it is the beginning, and we shall go all the way to [South Sudanese capital] Juba,” Bashir told a rally.
South Sudan’s army spokesman, Col. Philip Aguer, dismissed Bashir’s threat, saying that the South’s army would keep Sudan’s aggression at bay.
“If they didn’t defeat us when we were a green army, how will they defeat us now,” he said.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120419-708474.html
I'm actually surprised it took the wanted Muslim war criminal and his genocidal country this long to declare war on the South. Here's to hoping they pay him and his cronies back for the 500,000+ that were massacred in Darfur by the MUSLIM janjaweed.
Will the Usurper get involved? I'm guessing it's only a matter of time until he throws South Sudan under the bus.
i like the fucking sensationalist headline, lol. Christianity has done less for this world then islam despite both being pure evil. At least islam had a tradition of science and reason.
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i like the fucking sensationalist headline, lol. Christianity has done less for this world then islam despite both being pure evil. At least islam had a tradition of science and reason.
Im confused. Technically arent they very close to being the same religion? How does one have a tradition of science and reason when theyre pretty much the same effin thing? I cant see Islamic culture being steeped in science either, considering its one of the most oppressive religions EVER.
Take off your Christian hating glasses - the majority of Christians got over their genocidal tendancies centuries ago.
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Im confused. Technically arent they very close to being the same religion? How does one have a tradition of science and reason when theyre pretty much the same effin thing? I cant see Islamic culture being steeped in science either, considering its one of the most oppressive religions EVER.
Take off your Christian hating glasses - the majority of Christians got over their genocidal tendancies centuries ago.
go read more about islam, i don't know what to tell you, you are wrong. I have no christian hating glasses, i have hata blockas on. Also, i hate all religions, islam the most in it's current form. They are all perversions anyway.
the fact that you start with i'm confused then go on to make proclamations about said religion speaks volumes. Islam was the birth place of much scientific inquiry, they are not same thing, not at all the core teachings aren't similar, Jesus is not god incarnate etc etc.
ask haider he is a towel head.
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i like the fucking sensationalist headline, lol. Christianity has done less for this world then islam despite both being pure evil. At least islam had a tradition of science and reason.
Yup, that would explain the 5 Nobels Muslims have won (2 of which were peace prizes - one of which went to a terrorist). They're all about "science".
Feel free to move along you shitty troll. And there's nothing sensationalist about the headline as the president of North Sudan is a wanted war criminal with an outstanding warrant for his arrest stemming from his orchestrating the mass murders of 500,000 Christian and Animist Darfurians at the hands of the MUSLIM janjaweed.
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go read more about islam, i don't know what to tell you, you are wrong. I have no christian hating glasses, i have hata blockas on. Also, i hate all religions, islam the most in it's current form. They are all perversions anyway.
the fact that you start with i'm confused then go on to make proclamations about said religion speaks volumes. Islam was the birth place of much scientific inquiry, they are not same thing, not at all the core teachings aren't similar, Jesus is not god incarnate etc etc.
ask haider he is a towel head.
Youre missing what im saying.
Im questioning how youre claiming one is based on science when they both believe in a man in the sky, but you write off Christianity for the same reason.
The "im confused" part was me asking you to explain.
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go read more about islam, i don't know what to tell you, you are wrong.
Translation = I can't back up my bullshit.
Of course, one well known fact is that you dipshit Canadians have contributed less to the world than Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Satan Worshipers, or the Easter Islands.
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Actually, the only countries that consistently vote with the US are England and Israel. The rest exist for no other reason than to destroy our sovereignty and bleed us dry. The UN is the most corrupt, incompetent and worthless organization on the planet.
It's dominated by dictators, despots and tyrants because *surprise* most of the countries on this planet are dominated by dictators, depots and tyrants.
It has long out-lived its purpose and is more of a running joke with its awesome accomplishments like giving Human Rights Council spots to such beacons of progress as Saudi Arabia and Libya.
not true except for your last sentence...but why argue with you?....it's pointless
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Translation = I can't back up my bullshit.
Of course, one well known fact is that you dipshit Canadians have contributed less to the world than Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Satan Worshipers, or the Easter Islands.
i can and will. How do you know i'm canadian? you faggy stalker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_science
here you fucking moron, the invented the scientific method and are taught that science is a way of understanding allah. It started science, islam is the birthplace of legit scientific inquiry. It's sad to see that they have fallen so far, but they do have many great scholars still, especially in computer science.
"According to theoretical physicist Jim Al-Khalili, the modern scientific method was pioneered by Arab scientist Ibn Al-Haytham (known to the west as “Alhazen”) whose contributions are likened to those of Isaac Newton.[4] Alhazen helped shift the emphasis on abstract theorizing onto systematic and repeatable experimentation, followed by careful criticism of premises and inferences.[5] Robert Briffault, in The Making of Humanity, asserts that the very existence of science, as it is understood in the modern sense, is rooted in the scientific thought and knowledge that emerged in Islamic civilizations during this time.[6]"
I do have to question you guys, you seem to know literally nothing about what you are talking about, one idiot said xtians and islam is basically the same thing, you seem to not know the roots of islam and yet you fags ridicule and make loud proclamations about it. It's a shit religion, all of them are, it's no worse the x tians and i think the catholic chruch has done more damage to the world then any entity in history. They still do, they said condoms were evil so that people in africa could not have them, they have an aids epidemic.
in closing go read a fucking book.
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i can and will. How do you know i'm canadian? you faggy stalker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_science
here you fucking moron, the invented the scientific method and are taught that science is a way of understanding allah. It started science, islam is the birthplace of legit scientific inquiry. It's sad to see that they have fallen so far, but they do have many great scholars still, especially in computer science.
"According to theoretical physicist Jim Al-Khalili, the modern scientific method was pioneered by Arab scientist Ibn Al-Haytham (known to the west as “Alhazen”) whose contributions are likened to those of Isaac Newton.[4] Alhazen helped shift the emphasis on abstract theorizing onto systematic and repeatable experimentation, followed by careful criticism of premises and inferences.[5] Robert Briffault, in The Making of Humanity, asserts that the very existence of science, as it is understood in the modern sense, is rooted in the scientific thought and knowledge that emerged in Islamic civilizations during this time.[6]"
I do have to question you guys, you seem to know literally nothing about what you are talking about, one idiot said xtians and islam is basically the same thing, you seem to not know the roots of islam and yet you fags ridicule and make loud proclamations about it. It's a shit religion, all of them are, it's no worse the x tians and i think the catholic chruch has done more damage to the world then any entity in history. They still do, they said condoms were evil so that people in africa could not have them, they have an aids epidemic.
in closing go read a fucking book.
You seem to be the one not knowing what the fuck your talking about, Im talking about the fact that the beliefs at their core are based around pretty much the same thing with the exception that Islam doesnt worship Jesus as the son of Christ, he's just another prophet like Muhammed. The 2 religions at their very core are built around the SAME FUCKING GOD AND THE SAME BASIC BELIEFS/CHARACTERS. Have they built very different CULTURES? Yes. But at their CORE, its the SAME FUCKING BELIEFS. The one true god, the prophets, etc etc etc.
Your whole premise is fucking worthless in this discussion, whatever Islam was a thousand years ago, they sure as hell arent today, in its current form its probably THE most violent and oppressive religion practiced today, yet youre in hear railing about "Well they developed the scientific method a thousand years ago! So theyre better than Christians and they arent similar at all!" Fucking idiot.
Youre the fucking idiot going of into lala land about what Islamic scientists have done thousands of years ago in order to take potshots at Christianity you Pretentious fuck.
I dont really give a fuck either way but your bias is obvious, throughout your post history any chance you can get to try and tear down Christianity you take it so dont give me that "Im not hating" bullshit.
Bottom line - Christianity had their dark ages. Islam is trying to go back to that time, but its not the fucking dark ages anymore.
And yes, the religions are very similar if you take a step back and open your fucking eyes.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Islam
There is a historical and traditional connection between Christianity and Islam. The two faiths share a common origin in the Middle East.[2] Muslims consider Christians as the People of the Book. From a Muslim standpoint, belief in the Injil (the original Gospel of Jesus) is an important part of Islamic theology, although Muslims view the current Gospels as corrupted. The bond extends even further with the Islamic Prophet Muhammad instructing Muslims to defend the Christian faith from aggressors in certain circumstances after treaties of peace have been signed, such as in the document called the Achtiname of Muhammad.
Yes, Christianity and Islam are nothing alike, even though they have the same beliefs at their core, the same god, the same Prophets.
Id say with their belief being based around the same fucking core, that theyre pretty fucking similar you fucking pretentious dunce.
Idiot.
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Christianity and Islam share much common ground. Both trace
their roots to Abraham. Both believe in prophecy, God's messengers
(apostles), revelation, scripture, the resurrection of dead, and
the centrality of religious community. This last element is
especially important. Both Christianity and Islam have a
communitarian dimension: what the church is to Christianity the
"umma" is to Islam.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Intro/comparison.html
You were saying?
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Christianity and Islam share much common ground. Both trace
their roots to Abraham. Both believe in prophecy, God's messengers
(apostles), revelation, scripture, the resurrection of dead, and
the centrality of religious community. This last element is
especially important. Both Christianity and Islam have a
communitarian dimension: what the church is to Christianity the
"umma" is to Islam.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Intro/comparison.html
You were saying?
Yes they have many of the same underpinnings, jesus is a prophet not god etc.. but because you lack knowledge about the religion you take similarities to indicate they are the same. There are huge fucking differences, number one jesus did not die for you sins, he is not the way to heaven, he was not god incarnate etc... everyone who knows anything knows the differences and similarities. In fact many of the core principles of religion, whether buddhist or hindu etc have the same principles, yet are dramatically different. If you cannot tease them apart then that's your issue.
also, what you listed is shared by almost all major religions you fucking asshat. Jesus. it's like saying they both talk of an afterlife therefore are the same, ignoring that islam gives virgins amongst other things, and xtians require jesus to make it there. Totally different, you have no idea what you are talking about, just shut up and stop trying to be a fucking know it all.
Paganism, has scripture, revelations, rising the dead. Egytians have similar stories, Horus almost mimics jesus yet to claim they are the same is to admit you have no fucking idea what it is about other then some cursory knowledge you lifted from a website. Have you read the quran? the bible?
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Yes they have many of the same underpinnings, jesus is a prophet not god etc.. but because you lack knowledge about the religion you take similarities to indicate they are the same. There are huge fucking differences, number one jesus did not die for you sins, he is not the way to heaven, he was not god incarnate etc... everyone who knows anything knows the differences and similarities. In fact many of the core principles of religion, whether buddhist or hindu etc have the same principles, yet are dramatically different. If you cannot tease them apart then that's your issue.
also, what you listed is shared by almost all major religions you fucking asshat. Jesus. it's like saying they both talk of an afterlife therefore are the same, ignoring that islam gives virgins amongst other things, and xtians require jesus to make it there. Totally different, you have no idea what you are talking about, just shut up and stop trying to be a fucking know it all.
Paganism, has scripture, revelations, rising the dead. Egytians have similar stories, Horus almost mimics jesus yet to claim they are the same is to admit you have no fucking idea what it is about other then some cursory knowledge you lifted from a website. Have you read the quran? the bible?
I love how you try and mock me for pulling cursory info off a website when you just did the exact same. Way to go.
You were just calling me an idiot because I said theyre pretty much the same (their core beliefs), and now youre saying yes everyone knows theyre similar? WTF! I wasnt insinuating theyre both exactly the same, obviously not as Christians arent out chopping off peoples heads for dating non-christians. I was talking about their basic belief structure. The foundation is almost exactly the same with very minor differences.
And shared by all major religions? They all believe in the one true god? They all believe in the Phrophets?
They both believe in the same god for fucks sake!
The same Phropets!
The same fucking core of beliefs!
They are 2 fucking branches on the same tree! Yes theyre different in the way theyre practiced, but they both believe mostly the same fundamentals.
Youre the fucking asshat for trying to come in here and get all preachy, calling me an idiot because I pointed out there EXACTLY THE SAME in their core beliefs. Like I said, 2 branches in the same fucking tree.
Derrp deerrrp idiot said xtians (WTF? you try to sound all inteligent and then write "xtians"?) and Islam is the same but Im smarter than them derrp derrp so I have to point out the differences so I feel smart derrp derrp even though they believe in all the same shit at their core derrp derrrp ::)
Way to go genius. Another idiotic wannabe intellectual.
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I love how you try and mock me for pulling cursory info off a website when you just did the exact same. Way to go.
You were just calling me an idiot because I said theyre pretty much the same (their core beliefs), and now youre saying yes everyone knows theyre similar? WTF! I wasnt insinuating theyre both exactly the same, obviously not as Christians arent out chopping off peoples heads for dating non-christians. I was talking about their basic belief structure. The foundation is almost exactly the same with very minor differences.
And shared by all major religions? They all believe in the one true god? They all believe in the Phrophets?
They both believe in the same god for fucks sake!
The same Phropets!
The same fucking core of beliefs!
They are 2 fucking branches on the same tree! Yes theyre different in the way theyre practiced, but they both believe mostly the same fundamentals.
Youre the fucking asshat for trying to come in here and get all preachy, calling me an idiot because I pointed out there EXACTLY THE SAME in their core beliefs. Like I said, 2 branches in the same fucking tree.
Derrp deerrrp idiot said xtians (WTF? you try to sound all inteligent and then write "xtians"?) and Islam is the same but Im smarter than them derrp derrp so I have to point out the differences so I feel smart derrp derrp even though they believe in all the same shit at their core derrp derrrp ::)
Way to go genius. Another idiotic wannabe intellectual.
no moron, what i stated was specific you posted some general non-sense. I don't try to sound intelligent in fact my writing is lazy and sloppy a sign i don't give a fuck. All i know is you are a moron. Jesus, what core beliefs? the ones that aren't unique to either islam or christianity? They don't believe in the same god or Jesus would be God in islam. Nothing you posted is specific to either religion, many religions share the same core beliefs, you clearly have little knowledge on the topic so perhaps instead of being an arrogant little fag you could try and learn something.
So one core belief in christianity is that Jesus died for your sins, that he is the way to heaven, he was god, islam does not hold this. there are some other major discrepancies, but if resurrection, afterlife etc are evidences of similarity then all religions are the same. You are being way to general, islam is the birth place of modern science, thats a fact.
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Wouldn't it be great if all the religious people of the world just killed each other off?
Things would be better and the gene pool would improve dramatically.
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Wouldn't it be great if all the religious people of the world just killed each other off?
Things would be better and the gene pool would improve dramatically.
The democrat slave mill would not exist eo the black church.
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Wouldn't it be great if all the religious people of the world just killed each other off?
Things would be better and the gene pool would improve dramatically.
clearly, they contribute nothing novel, there is no teaching they have that isn't found in being a good human.
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Wouldn't it be great if all the religious people of the world just killed each other off?
Things would be better and the gene pool would improve dramatically.
+10
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i can and will. How do you know i'm canadian? you faggy stalker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_science
here you fucking moron, the invented the scientific method and are taught that science is a way of understanding allah. It started science, islam is the birthplace of legit scientific inquiry. It's sad to see that they have fallen so far, but they do have many great scholars still, especially in computer science.
"According to theoretical physicist Jim Al-Khalili, the modern scientific method was pioneered by Arab scientist Ibn Al-Haytham (known to the west as “Alhazen”) whose contributions are likened to those of Isaac Newton.[4] Alhazen helped shift the emphasis on abstract theorizing onto systematic and repeatable experimentation, followed by careful criticism of premises and inferences.[5] Robert Briffault, in The Making of Humanity, asserts that the very existence of science, as it is understood in the modern sense, is rooted in the scientific thought and knowledge that emerged in Islamic civilizations during this time.[6]"
I do have to question you guys, you seem to know literally nothing about what you are talking about, one idiot said xtians and islam is basically the same thing, you seem to not know the roots of islam and yet you fags ridicule and make loud proclamations about it. It's a shit religion, all of them are, it's no worse the x tians and i think the catholic chruch has done more damage to the world then any entity in history. They still do, they said condoms were evil so that people in africa could not have them, they have an aids epidemic.
in closing go read a fucking book.
That doesn't back up your claim - Canadian retard.
Put up or shut up.
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