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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: galeniko on April 25, 2012, 01:44:46 PM
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I don't know to many bodybuilders. I've been on the forums for about ten years though. Never new anyone besides maybe 2-3 who have had real bad permanent health problems.
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Tom Prince is a pro who is on dialysis. Flex also lost his kidneys and is now status post a renal transplant. A good friend of mine who was a local BB lost his kidneys and had a transplant. I suspect it is a combination of insane amounts of juice, blood pressure that is through the roof, and a disease called secondary focal segmental glomerulosclerosis which is a disorder where the kidney is spilling a lot of protein (often nephrotic which is defined as greater than 3.5 grams of protein daily when the usual is < 150 mg/daily). FSGS causes an inflammatory condition in the kidneys locally which leads to scarring and eventual renal failure. The end result is often dialysis or transplant. I should know, I treat patients everyday for kidney disease ;)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799287/
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I don't know to many bodybuilders. I've been on the forums for about ten years though. Never new anyone besides maybe 2-3 who have had real bad permanent health problems.
Epic denial ::)
I'm not even a big "fan" but I can remember:
Tom prince
Flex wheeler
Dong long
Christian lobarede
Luke wood
Marko savolain (?)
And I've been in the boards for about 2 years :-\
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I was going to say Derek Anthony but he was really a homosexual prostitute who just 'did roids' every now and then.
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my old man.
kidneys don't really like BBing. unless you're lucky. every pro should have a sponsor that only exists as a kidney donor.
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A bunch.
I know a lot of power lifters who have lost a kidney over the years or are on dialysis.
A lot of it has to do with blood pressure, but there are many aspects that can harm your kidneys.
8)
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High BP and diuretics are the main killers.
I would bet you would have a hard time finding a steroid user with bad kidneys that never used diuretics and
always had bodyfat and BP in check. Not surprising that obese water logged powerlifters and 5%bf bodybuilders
with paper thin skin sometimes have kidney issues.
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Tom Prince is a pro who is on dialysis. Flex also lost his kidneys and is now status post a renal transplant. A good friend of mine who was a local BB lost his kidneys and had a transplant. I suspect it is a combination of insane amounts of juice, blood pressure that is through the roof, and a disease called secondary focal segmental glomerulosclerosis which is a disorder where the kidney is spilling a lot of protein (often nephrotic which is defined as greater than 3.5 grams of protein daily when the usual is < 150 mg/daily). FSGS causes an inflammatory condition in the kidneys locally which leads to scarring and eventual renal failure. The end result is often dialysis or transplant. I should know, I treat patients everyday for kidney disease ;)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799287/
In your opinion, are the protein requirements of a bodybuilder too excessive for our kidneys to handle over a long period of time?
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Tom Prince is a pro who is on dialysis. Flex also lost his kidneys and is now status post a renal transplant. A good friend of mine who was a local BB lost his kidneys and had a transplant. I suspect it is a combination of insane amounts of juice, blood pressure that is through the roof, and a disease called secondary focal segmental glomerulosclerosis which is a disorder where the kidney is spilling a lot of protein (often nephrotic which is defined as greater than 3.5 grams of protein daily when the usual is < 150 mg/daily). FSGS causes an inflammatory condition in the kidneys locally which leads to scarring and eventual renal failure. The end result is often dialysis or transplant. I should know, I treat patients everyday for kidney disease ;)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799287/
THIS!!!
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Being on dialysis is not pleasant.
I knew three individuals from the gym, two of them killed themselves after years of dialysis. Only one did amateur competitions. This was posted a while back.
Anyways ...
... it happens a lot more often than we here about it. We only hear about it because of the big names in BB being attention whores long after their days of glory, if any. Then to put icing on the cake they all play the genetic predisposition betty crocker cookie cutter bullshit card to convince the masses otherwise. We all know better. ::)
Most users spend more time planning their cycle, then 30minutes with a doctor every few months to see if things are in order.
P.S. And watch out if you ever need surgery while juiced to the gills. One good buddy died on the table, because they could not get his blood to coagulate 7 days later. This is no joke. I cut my index finger at the gym on 1st cycle, it literally bled for 2 hours like never before. Imagine major surgery on the knees.
Health before bros and hoes!
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Epic denial ::)
I'm not even a big "fan" but I can remember:
Tom prince
Flex wheeler
Dong long
Christian lobarede
Luke wood
Marko savolain (?)
And I've been in the boards for about 2 years :-\
Not to mention the 100's of BB Ameteurs world wide which go unheard of!...
I know a couple here who've died of Kidney failure and at least Five ex Am. bodybuilders here in SA who have major Kidney problems, or are awaiting Kidney transplants...
Chemical "Bodybuilding" ::)
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Not to mention the 100's of BB Ameteurs world wide which go unheard of!...
I know a couple here who've died of Kidney failure and at least Five ex Am. bodybuilders here in SA who have major Kidney problems, or are awaiting Kidney transplants...
Chemical "Bodybuilding" ::)
So true.
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Shaun "Dinosaur" Davis?
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Seems like there are a disproportionate amount of kidney disease sufferers engaged in bodybuilding. Perhaps they couldn't think of a more productive hobby to go with their kidney disease?
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Ray Mentzer had kidney problems too.
Could it be the high blood pressure that goes along with being huge while on the juice? High blood pressure combined with huge blood pressure spikes while straining to complete a lift could lead to damage of kidneys. Could it be the oil injected into the body with current bodybuilders that eventually gets into the kidneys. The kidneys are not made to be flooded and clogged with oil. The small amount of food oil you eat gets processed. The crazy amount of oil injected into muscles gets into the blood stream and it has to get removed by your kidneys that are not set up for oil.
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Epic denial ::)
I'm not even a big "fan" but I can remember:
Tom prince
Flex wheeler
Dong long
Christian lobarede
Luke wood
Marko savolain (?)
And I've been in the boards for about 2 years :-\
x2. Mike Morris :'(
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damn, it is more than i thought, can someone post a list, and if they went back on steroids after a replacement.
DA :D , and yes back on
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If I ever DO need a kidney I want it to come from her :)
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/25/health/kidney-transplanted-twice/index.html?hpt=hp_c1
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A bunch.
I know a lot of power lifters who have lost a kidney over the years or are on dialysis.
A lot of it has to do with blood pressure, but there are many aspects that can harm your kidneys.
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So with all the talk about orals and liver toxicity, how many guys have actually had liver failure?
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I think the liver stress thing is way over rated.
I have abused orals before and liver enzymes weren't even too far out of range to cause a concern.
They trash my lipids though, so I don't use them for that reason.
Anytime I have pushed my liver to the brink, I get plenty of warning signs to back off. I get nausea
before any other symptoms set in, and if i quit any liver toxic habits and begin taking liver supps, it
is relieved in a matter of weeks. I may be genetically blessed with a tough liver though.
I know many that abuse orals and have never had a liver issue.
However, I do know of three guys that had major liver problems from steroid use, so there is some risk.
One had only used orals twice, in a normal cycle with safe dosages.... and he got a hematoma.
Another used 100mg of anadrol daily for almost two years..... he got liver cancer and is fighting it right now.
Another abused orals heavily and got a nasty hematoma that almost killed him.... he is fine now.
The kidney stress thing is way underrated though.... high BP from AAS use and all the solvents and oil from these
UG products stress the kidneys over time.
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In your opinion, are the protein requirements of a bodybuilder too excessive for our kidneys to handle over a long period of time?
Secret Stack,
If you look at the literature, and realize that medical literature is kind of archaeic when it comes to health and nutrition. They advocate around 1.2 gm's per kilogram or about half what a typical BB takes in protein wise. I believe Jay was taking in 300-400 grams daily. My feeling is that if you are a serious bodybuilder who is heavily muscled, using androgenics/anabolics/GH etc, it would definitely benefit you to see a physician. A physician has a confidential relationship with you and can't turn you in to the police for steroid use. However, if he is saavy he would get chemistries including liver enzymes and a UA. BP elevations are also very common in bodybuilders. If there is any significant abnormality in the renal function, blood pressure, or urinalysis (proteinuria or spillage of protein), then yes by far the typical bodybuilder diet will cause more damage. However, if the electrolytes, liver enzymes, and urine look good than I doubt it would do much (except for pissing away some expensive protein powder/steak/eggs ;D. Take care guys.
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The liver is the only organ that can regenerate. Even cut in half - it can recover and do the job just as well. In that regard orals causing damage might be overrated - but not far from the truth, as the liver has better regenerating capabilities. Or one can simply endlessly abuse orals and die of cancer within few years - the stupid degenerative retards do it all the time.
Once the kidneys are compromised - that's the end pretty much. Kidney problems are most common with competitive BB. Why? What's common among all of them is the use and abuse of diuretics and high protein diets.
Wanna lose 10lb of water - pop pills day and night every hour. Add to that *narcotics, analgesics, stimulants, alcohol, and sedatives. GH15 always points to the narcotics (in addition to diuretics) as the leading cause for primary end point illness in users, and not the AAS per say -- unless genetic predisposition to disease already.
For some hormones are simply a gateway drug. Most users are abusing more than just the AAS.
Does the average gym rat really have any reason to use/abuse diuretics? I certainly don't - nor will i ever.
Am i the biggest, strongest, fastest? No and don't care.
Do i wanna be the biggest, strongest, fastest? Sure, everyone does -- but at what cost.
We all know that at the end of day there is a price to pay for use, and especially for abuse. For the abusers there is no light at the end of the tunnel. The industry stays rather hush hush on health matters, except when it comes to sell a few extra magazines.
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I think the liver stress thing is way over rated.
I have abused orals before and liver enzymes weren't even too far out of range to cause a concern.
They trash my lipids though, so I don't use them for that reason.
Anytime I have pushed my liver to the brink, I get plenty of warning signs to back off. I get nausea
before any other symptoms set in, and if i quit any liver toxic habits and begin taking liver supps, it
is relieved in a matter of weeks. I may be genetically blessed with a tough liver though.
I know many that abuse orals and have never had a liver issue.
However, I do know of three guys that had major liver problems from steroid use, so there is some risk.
One had only used orals twice, in a normal cycle with safe dosages.... and he got a hematoma.
Another used 100mg of anadrol daily for almost two years..... he got liver cancer and is fighting it right now.
Another abused orals heavily and got a nasty hematoma that almost killed him.... he is fine now.
The kidney stress thing is way underrated though.... high BP from AAS use and all the solvents and oil from these
UG products stress the kidneys over time.
Realize that anabolics are severely toxic to the liver, especially if you drink heavily. Orals are much worse than injectables as the orals undergo a first pass metabolism and then are eventually broken down by the liver during the second go around. Aromatic steroids are supposedly worse for the liver, but I assume they are all dangerous. I would not go by symptoms to monitor your liver function. The usual first symptom is jaundice or yellowing of the sclera or skin. By that point, you may have caused significant, irreversible damage to your liver. End stage liver disease is death without a transplant. If you are going to juice, get your labs every three months and see a doc to monitor your blood pressure. Also, do not use concommitant NSAIDs like ibuprofren, aleve, etc. Definitely take it easy with the alcohol and if you use illicit drugs, especially intravenously, be prepared for an early funeral.
The thing that disturbs me about the underground bodybuilder culture is that these so called gurus that don't have a high school education are teaching complete bullshit to their pupils. Ignorance and stupidity get you killed. Trust me, no difference between a world class bodybuilder who abuses steroids, NSAIDs, GH, insulin and my 65 year old obese patient who smokes, drinks heavily, and is non-compliant with their healthcare. Both will be dead sooner than later.
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Just a short list taken from an article published in May 2006
BBs who have died prematurely since 1992 [The unknowns have been left out there are many more]
Derrick Whitsett
Don Youngblood
Momo Benaziza
Andreas Munzer
Curtis Leffler
Hans Hopstaken
Sonny Schmidt
Ray Mentzer
Mike Mentzer
Paul Demayo
Momo Benaziza
Fannie Barrios (only female so far)
Eric Otero
Anthony DeAezzo
BBs whose competitive careers were cut short by illness
Dennis Newman
Mike Francois
Don Long
Flex Wheeler (blames hereditary condition like everyone else)
Tom Prince
Mike Matarazzo (says it must have been the 5lb red meat daily ::))
BBs that have experienced hospital visits with conditions in which their lives were in danger
Mike Matarazzo
Edgar Fletcher
Paul Dillett (twice)
Milos Sarcev
Nasser El Sonbaty
Bob Cicherillo
Mustafa Mohammad (twice)
They all supposedly overdosed on aspirin ::)
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I never heard that Fletcher had become ill. When did that happen?
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Just a short list taken from an article published in May 2006
BBs who have died prematurely since 1992
Derrick Whitsett
Don Youngblood
Momo Benaziza
Andreas Munzer
Curtis Leffler
Hans Hopstaken
Sonny Schmidt
BBs whose competitive careers were cut short by illness
Dennis Newman
Mike Francois
Don Long
Flex Wheeler (blames hereditary condition like everyone else)
Tom Prince
Mike Matarazzo (says it must have been the 5lb red meat daily ::))
BBs that have experienced hospital visits with conditions in which their lives were in danger
Mike Matarazzo
Edgar Fletcher
Paul Dillett (twice)
Milos Sarcev
Nasser El Sonbaty
Bob Cicherillo
Mustafa Mohammad (twice)
They all supposedly overdosed on aspirin ::)
Paul DeMayo also died early, albeit from a heroin overdose
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So with all the talk about orals and liver toxicity, how many guys have actually had liver failure?
From steroids, zero.
There have been a few cases that i heard about over the years, but i never saw any proof and they didn't have liver failure.
The liver is the most resilient organ in the human body. I've taken 80mg of Dbol for 9-10 months and my liver values were slightly elevated. 6 weeks after i stopped using them my values were perfect.
I'm not saying orals are "safe", but they are not as bad for you as you are led to believe. In fact, alcohol is much worse for you.
8)
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I have congenital propensity for savaging your mother.
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Most of these cases were caused by an inherited genetic disorder.
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Just a short list taken from an article published in May 2006
BBs who have died prematurely since 1992 [The unknowns have been left out there are many more]
Derrick Whitsett
Don Youngblood
Momo Benaziza
Andreas Munzer
Curtis Leffler
Hans Hopstaken
Sonny Schmidt
Ray Mentzer
Mike Mentzer
Paul Demayo
Momo Benaziza
Fannie Barrios (only female so far)
BBs whose competitive careers were cut short by illness
Dennis Newman
Mike Francois
Don Long
Flex Wheeler (blames hereditary condition like everyone else)
Tom Prince
Mike Matarazzo (says it must have been the 5lb red meat daily ::))
BBs that have experienced hospital visits with conditions in which their lives were in danger
Mike Matarazzo
Edgar Fletcher
Paul Dillett (twice)
Milos Sarcev
Nasser El Sonbaty
Bob Cicherillo
Mustafa Mohammad (twice)
They all supposedly overdosed on aspirin ::)
You can throw Eric Otero and Anthony DeAezzo (sp) in there also.
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Secret Stack,
If you look at the literature, and realize that medical literature is kind of archaeic when it comes to health and nutrition. They advocate around 1.2 gm's per kilogram or about half what a typical BB takes in protein wise. I believe Jay was taking in 300-400 grams daily. My feeling is that if you are a serious bodybuilder who is heavily muscled, using androgenics/anabolics/GH etc, it would definitely benefit you to see a physician. A physician has a confidential relationship with you and can't turn you in to the police for steroid use. However, if he is saavy he would get chemistries including liver enzymes and a UA. BP elevations are also very common in bodybuilders. If there is any significant abnormality in the renal function, blood pressure, or urinalysis (proteinuria or spillage of protein), then yes by far the typical bodybuilder diet will cause more damage. However, if the electrolytes, liver enzymes, and urine look good than I doubt it would do much (except for pissing away some expensive protein powder/steak/eggs ;D. Take care guys.
thanks for the reply. i noticed through my blood tests that my kidneys were pissing away most of my protein when taking in 250g per day.
i now take in 100-150g per day and havent noticed a difference in progress. next blood tests are in a months time to see the difference.
thanks again.
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Just a short list taken from an article published in May 2006
BBs who have died prematurely since 1992 [The unknowns have been left out there are many more]
Derrick Whitsett
Don Youngblood
Momo Benaziza
Andreas Munzer
Curtis Leffler
Hans Hopstaken
Sonny Schmidt
Ray Mentzer
Mike Mentzer
Paul Demayo
Momo Benaziza
Fannie Barrios (only female so far)
Eric Otero
Anthony DeAezzo
BBs whose competitive careers were cut short by illness
Dennis Newman
Mike Francois
Don Long
Flex Wheeler (blames hereditary condition like everyone else)
Tom Prince
Mike Matarazzo (says it must have been the 5lb red meat daily ::))
BBs that have experienced hospital visits with conditions in which their lives were in danger
Mike Matarazzo
Edgar Fletcher
Paul Dillett (twice)
Milos Sarcev
Nasser El Sonbaty
Bob Cicherillo
Mustafa Mohammad (twice)
They all supposedly overdosed on aspirin ::)
Gregor Koman NABBA Mr.Universe 2004 (Class 1) died too.
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From steroids, zero.
There have been a few cases that i heard about over the years, but i never saw any proof and they didn't have liver failure.
The liver is the most resilient organ in the human body. I've taken 80mg of Dbol for 9-10 months and my liver values were slightly elevated. 6 weeks after i stopped using them my values were perfect.
I'm not saying orals are "safe", but they are not as bad for you as you are led to believe. In fact, alcohol is much worse for you.
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I thought the same, i have never heard of the health complications being linked to the liver. It's always kidney, heart, issues. Not to say that it can't be damaging but it seems to get exaggerated.
If you look at the level of alcohol abuse currently in society it's pretty strange, people don't seem to associate alcohol, or smoking with drugs usage. Even a lot of heavier recreational drug use is not put in the same negative light that steroid usage is put in.
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thanks for the reply. i noticed through my blood tests that my kidneys were pissing away most of my protein when taking in 250g per day.
i now take in 100-150g per day and havent noticed a difference in progress. next blood tests are in a months time to see the difference.
thanks again.
Secret, have your doc get a random urine protein and random urine creatinine level. Also, get a BMP,Mg,Phos, You can pm the info and I can tell you if there is anything to be concerned about. Take care.
Nico
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I thought the same, i have never heard of the health complications being linked to the liver. It's always kidney, heart, issues. Not to say that it can't be damaging but it seems to get exaggerated.
If you look at the level of alcohol abuse currently in society it's pretty strange, people don't seem to associate alcohol, or smoking with drugs usage. Even a lot of heavier recreational drug use is not put in the same negative light that steroid usage is put in.
I have a 32 yo buddy who was trying to go pro. He won a national level qualifier. He started going heavy on the anabolica and GH. He developed liver cancer and had a partial hepatectomy. He is doing well now and only takes maintenance testosterone as he had over-suppressed his normal pathway. Doing much better. Bodybuilders tend to abuse more than only steroids. If they drink heavily and abuse anabolics they will get liver problems. It is not even debateable.
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Most of the guys from the '60s and '70s made it through okay, correct? It is only the modern era with all of the cocktails of gear that have led to this it seems
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one lie circulating is the one that injectable steroids wont raise liver enzymes.
the truth-atleast in my case-is, they will simply not raise liver enzymes as much as oral steroids will.
but they will.
a friend had the liver enzyme transaminase gpt (alat) raised to 120u/l
on 500mg test weekly and couple beers weekly.
the liver has no pain nerves, you wont feel any pain in the liver,lol.but your eyes might turn bit yellow and then its too late.
liver recovers quite good from abuse, but to say theres no issues is ridiculus.
you can straigh up obliterate it if youre not careful, you can get livercirrhosis or cancer.
have the enzymes monitored by dovtor, then talk.
do try it, have little bit injectables and nothing else and see.
then add bit alcohoic drinks and see again.
and when the liver has problems, some other issues might follow suit.
What? My friend used test and deca for half a year, done dianabol, drank alcohol. He tested his liver and results came back near perfect, just little bit above normal.
My liver levels were perfect after half a year on.
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one lie circulating is the one that injectable steroids wont raise liver enzymes.
the truth-atleast in my case-is, they will simply not raise liver enzymes as much as oral steroids will.
but they will.
a friend had the liver enzyme transaminase gpt (alat) raised to 120u/l
on 500mg test weekly and couple beers weekly.
the liver has no pain nerves, you wont feel any pain in the liver,lol.but your eyes might turn bit yellow and then its too late.
liver recovers quite good from abuse, but to say theres no issues is ridiculus.
you can straigh up obliterate it if youre not careful, you can get livercirrhosis or cancer.
have the enzymes monitored by dovtor, then talk.
do try it, have little bit injectables and nothing else and see.
then add bit alcohoic drinks and see again.
and when the liver has problems, some other issues might follow suit.
more like couple of dozen beers weekly
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one lie circulating is the one that injectable steroids wont raise liver enzymes.
the truth-atleast in my case-is, they will simply not raise liver enzymes as much as oral steroids will.
but they will.
a friend had the liver enzyme transaminase gpt (alat) raised to 120u/l
on 500mg test weekly and couple beers weekly.
the liver has no pain nerves, you wont feel any pain in the liver,lol.but your eyes might turn bit yellow and then its too late.
liver recovers quite good from abuse, but to say theres no issues is ridiculus.
you can straigh up obliterate it if youre not careful, you can get livercirrhosis or cancer.
have the enzymes monitored by dovtor, then talk.
do try it, have little bit injectables and nothing else and see.
then add bit alcohoic drinks and see again.
and when the liver has problems, some other issues might follow suit.
back in '03/'04, I was running 6-7g's a week (3500 test plus other stuff), and drinking 2 liters of vodka per day, my liver enzymes were nearly 300 (ast/alt), within a few months of no-drinking (and rehab), my ast/alt were below 50.
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Someone said it before on this thread but how many of these steroid gurus couldn't pass a chemistry 101 course? For all anyone knows these internet steroid advisors could be the guy who asks you if you want fries with that burger. Since they made steroids a felony who knows what's in these vials you inject. Do you trust the guy selling the stuff out of the trunk of his car in the parking lot of your gym? Is that box coming to you UPS from shady address a reputable source? There are a lot of vials coming out of china with phony labels. If you are willing to fork over $100 plus for a vial there are people willing to sell any crap in a bottle laughing as their computer prints out a label.
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Being on dialysis is not pleasant.
I knew three individuals from the gym, two of them killed themselves after years of dialysis. Only one did amateur competitions. This was posted a while back.
Anyways ...
... it happens a lot more often than we here about it. We only hear about it because of the big names in BB being attention whores long after their days of glory, if any. Then to put icing on the cake they all play the genetic predisposition betty crocker cookie cutter bullshit card to convince the masses otherwise. We all know better. ::)
Most users spend more time planning their cycle, then 30minutes with a doctor every few months to see if things are in order.
P.S. And watch out if you ever need surgery while juiced to the gills. One good buddy died on the table, because they could not get his blood to coagulate 7 days later. This is no joke. I cut my index finger at the gym on 1st cycle, it literally bled for 2 hours like never before. Imagine major surgery on the knees.
Health before bros and hoes!
I call BS...they do bloodwork prior to surgery date, if hematocrite is high they will cancel surgery.
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I call BS...they do bloodwork prior to surgery date, if hematocrite is high they will cancel surgery.
Canyon, you are mistaken. If you are a young twenty to thirty year bodybuilder with no past medical history or history of bleeding disorders, anesthesia will often not even check a PT/INR for coagulopathy. Hematocrit and hemoglobin have nothing to do with a bleeding disorder. It is very possible that the operation with uncontrolled bleeding occurred. Taken from emedicine:
Summary
Routine preoperative testing (preoperative screening) of healthy people undergoing elective surgery is not recommended. Instead, a selective strategy, as outlined above, is safe and cost-effective as long as a complete history and physical examination are obtained. Based on the available evidence, the authors recommend the following preoperative tests:
Hemoglobin level for major surgery with significant expected blood loss or in patients 65 years or older
Serum creatinine level for people older than 50 years
Pregnancy testing in all reproductive-age group women.
ECG in patients undergoing high-risk surgery (eg, vascular surgery) or intermediate-risk surgery and with at least one risk factor
CXR in patients older than 60 years
No laboratory test must be repeated if results were normal within 4 months of the surgery and no change in the patient's clinical status occurred.
Finally, this strategy applies only to healthy, asymptomatic patients undergoing elective surgery. Patients with suspected pulmonary or cardiac disease or those undergoing urgent operation require additional evaluation that is beyond the scope of this article.
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pavol jabloniky, claud growlx,
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Tom Prince is a pro who is on dialysis. Flex also lost his kidneys and is now status post a renal transplant. A good friend of mine who was a local BB lost his kidneys and had a transplant. I suspect it is a combination of insane amounts of juice, blood pressure that is through the roof, and a disease called secondary focal segmental glomerulosclerosis which is a disorder where the kidney is spilling a lot of protein (often nephrotic which is defined as greater than 3.5 grams of protein daily when the usual is < 150 mg/daily). FSGS causes an inflammatory condition in the kidneys locally which leads to scarring and eventual renal failure. The end result is often dialysis or transplant. I should know, I treat patients everyday for kidney disease ;)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2799287/
Lets also not forget that these guys blood sugar is through the roof most of the day because they're slamming insulin and eating like shit because they think they can get away with it because of the HGH that is keeping the fat off their body. They're all type 2's diabetics. Most of these people really don't have a clue about how bad sugar will fuck you up.
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Secret, have your doc get a random urine protein and random urine creatinine level. Also, get a BMP,Mg,Phos, You can pm the info and I can tell you if there is anything to be concerned about. Take care.
Nico
thats kind of u, thanks. he is a top kidney specialist but will also pass on results to u,
thanks,