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Standing Military presses
Who does these?
I know goudy is a beast at these?
who else does these? better than the seated version?
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standing hurts my lower back... i stick with seated db
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standing hurts my lower back... i stick with seated db
same here...why risk tweaking a muscle and getting hurt. i normally do the hammer strength military machine for these,and i put the seat down really low so when the weight is in the bottom position, it's right at the top of my delts.
I see so many guys using an extreme ROM and putting their delts in a compromising position, over time that will damage the shoulder joint
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If you "look through" the bar when it passes your head you should not hurt your back at all.
I do like standing presses and rate them highly.
My shoulder worout at the minute is
Seated DB Press 4-5 sets
Standing BB Press 5-6 sets
I used to do side laterals but do not bother anymore.
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If you "look through" the bar when it passes your head you should not hurt your back at all.
I do like standing presses and rate them highly.
My shoulder worout at the minute is
Seated DB Press 4-5 sets
Standing BB Press 5-6 sets
I used to do side laterals but do not bother anymore.
Did some standing barbell presses today felt good....thinking about making them mainstay
and yes when you "look through the bar" it takes some pressue off the lower back but one you get heavy it does punish the lower back.
@ groink whats your ROM on shoulder presses do you empsise the top half of the movement or the bottom.
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Did some standing barbell presses today felt good....thinking about making them mainstay
and yes when you "look through the bar" it takes some pressue off the lower back but one you get heavy it does punish the lower back.
@ groink whats your ROM on shoulder presses do you empsise the top half of the movement or the bottom.
I wouldn't say I emphasize any one part, i do a full ROM, but i don't let the bar go down past the top of my shoulders..I don't like the way it feels on my shoulder joints. You see some guys that let the bar go halfway down their chests on militaries...shoulder wasn't built for that kind of pressure. at least mine weren't
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same here...why risk tweaking a muscle and getting hurt. i normally do the hammer strength military machine for these,and i put the seat down really low so when the weight is in the bottom position, it's right at the top of my delts.
I see so many guys using an extreme ROM and putting their delts in a compromising position, over time that will damage the shoulder joint
strong broscience here
actually seated version puts much more stress on spine.
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strong broscience here
actually seated version puts much more stress on spine.
where did i say "spine" one time in that post ? ;)
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I agree and that is true. More stress on spine seated.
Also I press from clavicle.
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Also if you want to start talking, yes...you will have more compression on your spine in a seated position, but it's a stable compression because your body is in a static position.
standing you are not stable in any way, and you have far more risk of pulling a muscle as your body is forced to stabilize that load as you press it up. every muscle in your body is firing like crazy to control that load, one wrong move and you could be injured, also a good way to get a hernia
and i wasn't taking about spine pressure to begin with, but about stabilizing your trunk so as not to pull a muscle, and a safe ROM
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I wouldn't say I emphasize any one part, i do a full ROM, but i don't let the bar go down past the top of my shoulders..I don't like the way it feels on my shoulder joints. You see some guys that let the bar go halfway down their chests on militaries...shoulder wasn't built for that kind of pressure. at least mine weren't
oh I see that all the time i just shake my head at that... bar all the way down past the chest.... thats begging for a shoulder injury
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standing hurts my lower back... i stick with seated db
agreed.....seems to compress lower back, not a good pain.
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My lower back is fucked so I prefer seated,plus it makes the movement more strict which hopefully will result in better delts.
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Standing military press is one of my staples.
It works a lot more parts of your body than most people realize.
I prefer to clean the weight to my shoulders and then do a strict press with no leg drive. I also do push presses and clean and jerk on a regular basis.
8)
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My lower back is fucked so I prefer seated,plus it makes the movement more strict which hopefully will result in better delts.
you need dumbell lunges they will save your lower back
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seated > standing
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Hurts my back doing them seated. I love doing them standing as it makes me feel caveman strong.
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Standing hands down.
It's funny though when I see people doing them seated and turn it into an incline bench.
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this generation of lifters are too pussy for certain movement, military press being one of them
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Standing hands down.
The proper way to do them is with your hands up
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I do standing bbell and db presses, and I use the tall back bench when I do seated so it doesn't turn into an incline bench, but standing are a staple of my training.
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Standing hands down.
It's funny though when I see people doing them seated and turn it into an incline bench.
Thats why I go behind the neck. Cant go as heave but it stops any cheating and chest assisting.
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Standing only with full range of motion then once heavier just above the collar bone. Sitting MP doesn't compare at all.
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Seated on a smith machine with NO back support ie a regular flat bech, or use a preacher bench with the arm rest turned around..It allows the same body mechanics as standing when you arch your lower back. i feel it better in my delts this way.
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If you "look through" the bar when it passes your head you should not hurt your back at all.
I do like standing presses and rate them highly.
My shoulder worout at the minute is
Seated DB Press 4-5 sets
Standing BB Press 5-6 sets
I used to do side laterals but do not bother anymore.
couldn't agree more, press are the key for delt mass
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Seated on a smith machine with NO back support ie a regular flat bech, or use a preacher bench with the arm rest turned around..It allows the same body mechanics as standing when you arch your lower back. i feel it better in my delts this way.
I do this as well usual
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If you "look through" the bar when it passes your head you should not hurt your back at all.
I do like standing presses and rate them highly.
My shoulder worout at the minute is
Seated DB Press 4-5 sets
Standing BB Press 5-6 sets
I used to do side laterals but do not bother anymore.
Goud can you elaborate on this please?
I currently do 2 giant sets of side laterals, but each shoulder individually - I do this as last excercise so delts are pretty exhausted, it's more for a pump and trying to get the most out of delts for workout etc
Usual routine is 4 sets of seated military press, 4 sets of seated dumbell press, superset rear delts/front delts (dumbells also) and finish with the lateralls.
Would you say drop the lateralls as not doing much then after all that pressing?
Cheers
Bigc
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Try standing db presses. Good exercise and feels totally different to doing them seated.
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Also if you want to start talking, yes...you will have more compression on your spine in a seated position, but it's a stable compression because your body is in a static position.
standing you are not stable in any way, and you have far more risk of pulling a muscle as your body is forced to stabilize that load as you press it up. every muscle in your body is firing like crazy to control that load, one wrong move and you could be injured, also a good way to get a hernia
and i wasn't taking about spine pressure to begin with, but about stabilizing your trunk so as not to pull a muscle, and a safe ROM
If you do heavy back and front squats religiously, add some basic olympic lifts to your training I don't see anyone having any problems whatsoever.
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If you do heavy back and front squats religiously, add some basic olympic lifts to your training I don't see anyone having any problems whatsoever.
Does groink look like the type of guy that would 'throw in' some olympic style lifting into his routine?
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Goud can you elaborate on this please?
I currently do 2 giant sets of side laterals, but each shoulder individually - I do this as last excercise so delts are pretty exhausted, it's more for a pump and trying to get the most out of delts for workout etc
Usual routine is 4 sets of seated military press, 4 sets of seated dumbell press, superset rear delts/front delts (dumbells also) and finish with the lateralls.
Would you say drop the lateralls as not doing much then after all that pressing?
Cheers
Bigc
If it is just for the pump i would say that it is not detracting anything away from your workout. I doubt it is adding anything significant but if you liek teh pump and feel they are doing something worthwhile keep going!
I hurt my shoulder a bit and could press heavy but side laterals hurt so I dropped them. I have not noticed a reduction in size or strength at all since doing so. Maybe that is just me.
I do believe in getting a pump at the end of the workout too - if anything it is fun!
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I feel lateral raises have their place I'd say nose of my side delts come from lateral raises
Shoulders are a stand ou body part for me
For I overall size presses but to target the side head definetly lateral raises
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/5cf59bb4.jpg)
Gouda groink.. Do you work rear delts?
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I feel lateral raises have their place I'd say nose of my side delts come from lateral raises
Shoulders are a stand ou body part for me
For I overall size presses but to target the side head definetly lateral raises
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/5cf59bb4.jpg)
Gouda groink.. Do you work rear delts?
Your delts look like cannonballs bro !!
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I feel lateral raises have their place I'd say nose of my side delts come from lateral raises
Shoulders are a stand ou body part for me
For I overall size presses but to target the side head definetly lateral raises
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y225/lucas78/5cf59bb4.jpg)
Gouda groink.. Do you work rear delts?
easy to achieve all natural for life year around physique right there
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same here...why risk tweaking a muscle and getting hurt. i normally do the hammer strength military machine for these,and i put the seat down really low so when the weight is in the bottom position, it's right at the top of my delts.
I see so many guys using an extreme ROM and putting their delts in a compromising position, over time that will damage the shoulder joint
I do the same. Some guys go "all the way down" thinking they "stretch" their "front delts" this way.
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I do the same. Some guys go "all the way down" thinking they "stretch" their "front delts" this way.
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More like rip
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More like rip
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Your delts look like cannonballs bro !!
Thanks man...
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I clean the bar off the floor then I do my reps. I understand many are thinking it's only a delt exercise but think systemic. The whole body has to balance and stabilize the bar when you are standing. You don't realize it but you legs, lower back, all your various ab muscles and many others are at play when you are doing a standing press.
Think of it this way. Do you think isolating each body part seated in a machine will make you a better athlete? I think you can be build a better athlete by doing stuff like the clean and press, squats,chins, dips and power cleans. Sometimes you have to think outside of the bodybuilding box and think what will make a better athlete.
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Curiously standing version isolate delt more. but you cant lift heavy like seated.
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Curiously standing version isolate delt more. but you cant lift heavy like seated.
not as heavy but close...
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I clean the bar off the floor then I do my reps. I understand many are thinking it's only a delt exercise but think systemic. The whole body has to balance and stabilize the bar when you are standing. You don't realize it but you legs, lower back, all your various ab muscles and many others are at play when you are doing a standing press.
Think of it this way. Do you think isolating each body part seated in a machine will make you a better athlete? I think you can be build a better athlete by doing stuff like the clean and press, squats,chins, dips and power cleans. Sometimes you have to think outside of the bodybuilding box and think what will make a better athlete.
i do cleans sometime.. these are a killer, give good gains in size too
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