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This was Paul "Freakenstein" Dillett's professional debut year and he made a big splash on the scene at this years Arnold Classic by placing fourth at this contest. They don't call him Freakenstein for nothing. Paul was the biggest and widest guy on stage. He brought great conditioning and separation, but lacked in his posing abilities. He looked great from the front and the side, but not so good from the back. Overall this was a well deserved placing and Paul went on to look even better at the 1993 Mr. Olympia. Take a look at one of the best mass monsters of all time.
More Pics Paul Dillett 1993 Arnold Classic (http://www.legendsofbodybuilding.com/2012/05/paul-dillett-1993-arnold-classic-video.html)
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Beyond belief.
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Bigger than most current pros and still no gut or elephantine torso. He would do so much better if he knew how to pose.
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he couldve been a multi time mr o winner imo, prolly best genetics in the game.
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Finishing touch, only 5%.
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Posing or no posing, dude should've won a sandow or two. How old is he there? Looks younger in his now pics.
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Put this guy on Cutlers and Heath's drug/oil regimen and he would have been mind blowing
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ALL DRUGS
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Put this guy on Cutlers and Heath's drug/oil regimen and he would have been mind blowing
How much more mind blowing could he be?
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he couldve been a multi time mr o winner imo, prolly best genetics in the game.
he couldve been a multi time mr o winner imo, prolly best genetics in the game.
You guys are forgetting he had a weak back genetically. Sandow wasn't in his reach no matter what
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Shame he couldn't pose properly nor possessed a decent back. If he had those two things he would have been in serious contention for the 1994 Olympia.
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You guys are forgetting he had a weak back genetically. Sandow wasn't in his reach no matter what
So true
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All 100 pound T bar rows.
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why he was never a Mr. O. explained in two pictures:
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So true
Terrible
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Jurassic Paul
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why he was never a Mr. O. explained in two pictures:
Also, this:
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Now those are legit 23" arms. Compare those to the clowns that claim to have 23" arms. Night and day.
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So true
Either he's got the biggest rear deltoids ever or those shoulders are full of oil. I don't think they were using oil at that time, so I'm figuring it's the former.
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Either he's got the biggest rear deltoids ever or those shoulders are full of oil. I don't think they were using oil at that time, so I'm figuring it's the former.
Looks like his rear delts and traps took all the work, hence the shitty lats.
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You guys are forgetting he had a weak back genetically. Sandow wasn't in his reach no matter what
It wasn't genetics, it was training and posing. It is actually funny how in the relaxed poses poses, his lats flare out---he is actually wider in relaxed poses and that "arms outstretched" pose than he was when he did the lat spread.
Shawn Ray said he played around with light weights. He also seemed to lack that mind-muscle connection. And back exercises, one has to have that connection, and that squeeze...his rear delts and traps were always huge
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maybe Paul believes that posing is gay?
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How much more mind blowing could he be?
Exactly, Philsulin and Gutler fans just talk for the sake of talking. LMAO !
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He had huge delt, but yes seo was available in pauls day
That's why he had the same cyst removing surgery nasser had. They claimed it was to remove scar cartilage tissue.
Amazing bber, dillett
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The guy defined killer genetics as they relate to response to drugs.
Without the gear, he is nothing. But with? UNREAL.
Now his back was always a major stumbling block, for real. And his shaking while posing was epic.
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It wasn't genetics, it was training and posing. It is actually funny how in the relaxed poses poses, his lats flare out---he is actually wider in relaxed poses and that "arms outstretched" pose than he was when he did the lat spread.
Shawn Ray said he played around with light weights. He also seemed to lack that mind-muscle connection. And back exercises, one has to have that connection, and that squeeze...his rear delts and traps were always huge
Totally disagree here, it was 100% genetics, he didn't train his back any less intense then he trained his front, yet his front looked amazing. His back was genetically flawed, it lacked a lot of lines and the few lines he did have were very shallow, his back lacked separation and the size of certain back muscles where lagging in response to his genetic limitation, all his problems from his back where due to genetic limitations, nothing to do with training
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Totally disagree here, it was 100% genetics, he didn't train his back any less intense then he trained his front, yet his front looked amazing. His back was genetically flawed, it lacked a lot of lines and the few lines he did have were very shallow, his back lacked separation and the size of certain back muscles where lagging in response to his genetic limitation, all his problems from his back where due to genetic limitations, nothing to do with training
Spot on once again , if entertaining Parker's point he would have been just as ho-hum from the front as well , genetics are the reason his back sucked and it's not so much about the width , it's about the thickness , development and outright size , he had a middleweight's back on a super heavyweight's frame his back had no depth either
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Totally disagree here, it was 100% genetics, he didn't train his back any less intense then he trained his front, yet his front looked amazing. His back was genetically flawed, it lacked a lot of lines and the few lines he did have were very shallow, his back lacked separation and the size of certain back muscles where lagging in response to his genetic limitation, all his problems from his back where due to genetic limitations, nothing to do with training
I always thought he lacked detail...but, I think if what you said was true, then Nasser genetically blessed with a shifty back. Nope---it was the big man's curse---only big from the front.
If you ever seen some of Dillet's back training vids---which I've only seen him do lat pull downs, he would just go thru the motions.
He never took time to pose, flex...and even his posing he just "hit shots". When he trained his front, he was a pumper...you can get away with that with arms, chest...but with back you can't slack.
It's easy to develop your front, you know that yourself as a competitor. The big dudes only focused on the show pieces. And like I said, he was wider in his arms outstretched pose than when he did a lat spread. That shows something right there, possibly a lack of practice and mind muscle connection.
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why he was never a Mr. O. explained in two pictures:
Yeah but he was about a million times better than Yates from the front and a 100k times better than Ronnie from the front.
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I always thought he lacked detail...but, I think if what you said was true, then Nasser genetically blessed with a shifty back. Nope---it was the big man's curse---only big from the front.
If you ever seen some of Dillet's back training vids---which I've only seen him do lat pull downs, he would just go thru the motions.
He never took time to pose, flex...and even his posing he just "hit shots". When he trained his front, he was a pumper...you can get away with that with arms, chest...but with back you can't slack.
It's easy to develop your front, you know that yourself as a competitor. The big dudes only focused on the show pieces. And like I said, he was wider in his arms outstretched pose than when he did a lat spread. That shows something right there, possibly a lack of practice and mind muscle connection.
your on fire on this one,,,good points,,he looked insane in mags and blessed with sweep quads,narrow hip,wide shoulders,arms for days,but distracting vascularity and poor back.a freak otherwise.
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Yes Nassar's back lacked detail at his bigger size, also compared to who was Mr. O at the time.
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Nassers name has been mentioned quite a few times
ND and hulkster have posted
Where's team nasser?
Change title thread now to dillet v nasser v ronnie v yates
5000 pages!
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I always thought he lacked detail...but, I think if what you said was true, then Nasser genetically blessed with a shifty back. Nope---it was the big man's curse---only big from the front.
If you ever seen some of Dillet's back training vids---which I've only seen him do lat pull downs, he would just go thru the motions.
He never took time to pose, flex...and even his posing he just "hit shots". When he trained his front, he was a pumper...you can get away with that with arms, chest...but with back you can't slack.
It's easy to develop your front, you know that yourself as a competitor. The big dudes only focused on the show pieces. And like I said, he was wider in his arms outstretched pose than when he did a lat spread. That shows something right there, possibly a lack of practice and mind muscle connection.
Agree 100 percent!
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I always thought he lacked detail...but, I think if what you said was true, then Nasser genetically blessed with a shifty back. Nope---it was the big man's curse---only big from the front.
If you ever seen some of Dillet's back training vids---which I've only seen him do lat pull downs, he would just go thru the motions.
He never took time to pose, flex...and even his posing he just "hit shots". When he trained his front, he was a pumper...you can get away with that with arms, chest...but with back you can't slack.
It's easy to develop your front, you know that yourself as a competitor. The big dudes only focused on the show pieces. And like I said, he was wider in his arms outstretched pose than when he did a lat spread. That shows something right there, possibly a lack of practice and mind muscle connection.
Again it's genetics , he could have trained back with Ronnie day-in-day-out and his back would have never improved beyond what he showed
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Seriously :-\
to say any amount of posing and training could fix these after all these years is not accurate
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Dillet was a totally different specimen from the back, even his delts were void of any detail
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I always thought he lacked detail...but, I think if what you said was true, then Nasser genetically blessed with a shifty back. Nope---it was the big man's curse---only big from the front.
If you ever seen some of Dillet's back training vids---which I've only seen him do lat pull downs, he would just go thru the motions.
He never took time to pose, flex...and even his posing he just "hit shots". When he trained his front, he was a pumper...you can get away with that with arms, chest...but with back you can't slack.
It's easy to develop your front, you know that yourself as a competitor. The big dudes only focused on the show pieces. And like I said, he was wider in his arms outstretched pose than when he did a lat spread. That shows something right there, possibly a lack of practice and mind muscle connection.
Bro, it's this simple, he has the same problem as Boyer C abs, Dillet was aware of this problem, when you are on that amount of hormones and your back doesn't grow, training harder will only make a marginal difference not a dramatic difference. Every bodybuilders have their flaws, Yates had weak Biceps, Coleman Calves, Nasser back, can these bodyparts be improved on with proper training, no, that's the way it goes.
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The guy defined killer genetics as they relate to response to drugs.
Without the gear, he is nothing. But with? UNREAL.
Now his back was always a major stumbling block, for real. And his shaking while posing was epic.
yeah, he could only hold the pose for a split second. you were a mag writer/editor, did you ever meet Denie? the writer for MTI?
he had an article about a how a guy could saturate his muscle with so much water that he couldn't send the electric impulse to his muscle to contract it. the article was very indepth, and i read it when i was young and didn't really understand what he was saying. i'll try to find the article.
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Nassers name has been mentioned quite a few times
ND and hulkster have posted
Where's team nasser?
Change title thread now to dillet v nasser v ronnie v yates
5000 pages!
We're cutting Team Dorian some slack since one of them turned out to be a latent homosexual pedophile...
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...and the rest will come out of the closet eventually too... 8)
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^......Yip good call Mr wanna-be Ronnie Coleman's Chocolate "love muffin"....... :-X :-X :-X
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Ive always rated him as possibly the best bodybuilder that has ever lived when viewing him just standing from the front. Too many overpowering weaknesses to win the big one but had the best legs of any black bodybuilder (Desmond Miller perhaps 2nd?).
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yeah, he could only hold the pose for a split second. you were a mag writer/editor, did you ever meet Denie? the writer for MTI?
he had an article about a how a guy could saturate his muscle with so much water that he couldn't send the electric impulse to his muscle to contract it. the article was very indepth, and i read it when i was young and didn't really understand what he was saying. i'll try to find the article.
sounds interesting
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Bro, it's this simple, he has the same problem as Boyer C abs, Dillet was aware of this problem, when you are on that amount of hormones and your back doesn't grow, training harder will only make a marginal difference not a dramatic difference. Every bodybuilders have their flaws, Yates had weak Biceps, Coleman Calves, Nasser back, can these bodyparts be improved on with proper training, no, that's the way it goes.
We'll agree to disagree. Maybe Dillet's shoulder issues were also a contributing factor? Nerve damage from when he played in the CFL, I'd like to hear from Dillet himself on the matter.
But, Nasser's back did start to come into it's own. Just like Jay's did when he was competing against Ronnie---and then it got worse after Ronnie left...
*Also, have you seen Ronnie train calves? On one of his training vids, he is on the calve machine and trains in that quick bouncey way. Just piles on the weight and bounces up and down...most of the black dudes that I've seen with huge calves, and they were high inserted calves, they did moderate to light weight and stress the full motion, and held the positive portion of the movement...and one guy, all he did was run up and down Memorial Stadium in Baltimore, before it was torn down.
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Again it's genetics , he could have trained back with Ronnie day-in-day-out and his back would have never improved beyond what he showed
Look at his rear delts,they are ridiculously huge! He said he had rotator cuff issues
articles in the past which may have been a contributing factor!
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We'll agree to disagree. Maybe Dillet's shoulder issues were also a contributing factor? Nerve damage from when he played in the CFL, I'd like to hear from Dillet himself on the matter.
But, Nasser's back did start to come into it's own. Just like Jay's did when he was competing against Ronnie---and then it got worse after Ronnie left...
*Also, have you seen Ronnie train calves? On one of his training vids, he is on the calve machine and trains in that quick bouncey way. Just piles on the weight and bounces up and down...most of the black dudes that I've seen with huge calves, and they were high inserted calves, they did moderate to light weight and stress the full motion, and held the positive portion of the movement...and one guy, all he did was run up and down Memorial Stadium in Baltimore, before it was torn down.
Fair enough, but all I am saying is at this level, the pros get told over and over what their weakness is and they have tried everything to bring up these parts training like Rocky Balboa is not going to change a bodypart at this level, at least not dramatically. Nerve Damage? are you referring to the lack of detail in his delts?
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yeah, he could only hold the pose for a split second. you were a mag writer/editor, did you ever meet Denie? the writer for MTI?
he had an article about a how a guy could saturate his muscle with so much water that he couldn't send the electric impulse to his muscle to contract it. the article was very indepth, and i read it when i was young and didn't really understand what he was saying. i'll try to find the article.
No, never met that dude. Bob Kennedy told me a lot about him, though. Not that I remember a lot of it.
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Fair enough, but all I am saying is at this level, the pros get told over and over what their weakness is and they have tried everything to bring up these parts training like Rocky Balboa is not going to change a bodypart at this level, at least not dramatically. Nerve Damage? are you referring to the lack of detail in his delts?
no, possibly nerve damage or something dealing with neurological dealing with his inability to train or hit poses---that shaking shit looks weird. I mean, we all can shake from hitting a shot, particularly arms, but his was disturbing. It looked like he labored with it.
Sometimes his delta looked highly detailed, and other times they didn't. Could it be escilene? I don't know---but we do know that Flex and Kev used tons of it back in the 90s.
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no, possibly nerve damage or something dealing with neurological dealing with his inability to train or hit poses---that shaking shit looks weird. I mean, we all can shake from hitting a shot, particularly arms, but his was disturbing. It looked like he labored with it.
Sometimes his delta looked highly detailed, and other times they didn't. Could it be escilene? I don't know---but we do know that Flex and Kev used tons of it back in the 90s.
Do you mean injecting esiciline into the delts causing nereve damage, or esiciline injected for temporary size gain?
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no, possibly nerve damage or something dealing with neurological dealing with his inability to train or hit poses---that shaking shit looks weird. I mean, we all can shake from hitting a shot, particularly arms, but his was disturbing. It looked like he labored with it.
Sometimes his delta looked highly detailed, and other times they didn't. Could it be escilene? I don't know---but we do know that Flex and Kev used tons of it back in the 90s.
His back was subpar and it wasn't because he couldn't train or pose , watch the video he poses fine ( although he doesn't hold his shots long enough ) he has a middleweights back and everything else is super heavyweight
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Do you mean injecting esiciline into the delts causing nerve damage, or esiciline injected for temporary size gain?
No, what he met was maybe the lack of details could have been from injecting esiclene and he is only saying maybe. I actually heard this from someone close to Paul that he never pinned anywhere but the delts, so that definitely equals multiple injections daily in the shoulders, If your dropping 20+ cc of juice in each shoulder weekly it could result in the same effects as esiclene but only temporary and not as dramatic
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Watch his back disappear from the back :-X
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Anyone who has ever seen Paul train back more than once could see that he used his biceps more than his back. Lee Priest did the same thing. And Paul couldn't do a pull up to save his life.
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Anyone who has ever seen Paul train back more than once could see that he used his biceps more than his back. Lee Priest did the same thing. And Paul couldn't do a pull up to save his life.
I remember Dorian taking the piss out of Paul and Charles Glass about just that. He said it was obvious Paul didn't know how to pull with his lats and Glass just stood there and did his usual, "Come on baby contrack, contrack, baby, contrack!" :D
I honestly DO think with better training, the man could've improved his back a good bit. But we all know the poor fuck was lazy as hell, and back training can be almost as nasty as a puke-bucket leg program (if not worse). Couple that with his asthma, unmovable objects in the form of Yates and Coleman, and maybe I'd half-ass my back training too ::)
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Watch his back disappear from the back :-X
He still does not hit his poses from the back correctly! His rear lat spread is not that bad! When he puts his arms up all you see are his rear delts! Maybe if he knew how to pull his lats out from the rear he would have looked better! He doesn't hold his poses especially from the back. Agreed his back does not have enough detail! Still think it was the way he trained his back!
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He has more mass in his rear delts than most have in their pecs!
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In the video, Arnold rips him about his 'posing' or lack there of ... kinda sad , its like he never saw a mirror.
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false
paul dillett had a good back and was the best bber of all time no question ty
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overrated beyond belief.
There are a handful of "freaky" pictures of his veins popping and him towering over others due to his height. That's what makes him "freaky."
He however could not hold a pose. His whole posing routine was a mess.
He didn't even train his back.
He had great arms and a good chest.
and Paul did indeed had a gut. Something he actually hid well. You can find some pictures with his gut showing.
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Has anyone ever found a video of this?
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Do you mean injecting esiciline into the delts causing nereve damage, or esiciline injected for temporary size gain?
Oil
Oil has been in use since early 90s, and clever use mid 90s onwards. Intelligent use of oil to strech muscle fascia pre training, and to augment the size of muscle.
Delts and arms.
How did guys like flex, priest, ruhl, dillett, nasser, mattarazzo get the delts and arms? Esiclene went out in the 80s and early 90s, the guys don't talk about oil
Flex and nasser are examples later in career of abuse to play catch up with their past physiques , but they ALWAYS used oil, just you couldn't tell. Flex 93 was full of oil already, but clever use
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Has anyone ever found a video of this?
No.
Apparently nobody filmed this contest.
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drug adict and all round fitl
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Oil
Oil has been in use since early 90s, and clever use mid 90s onwards. Intelligent use of oil to strech muscle fascia pre training, and to augment the size of muscle.
Delts and arms.
How did guys like flex, priest, ruhl, dillett, nasser, mattarazzo get the delts and arms? Esiclene went out in the 80s and early 90s, the guys don't talk about oil
Flex and nasser are examples later in career of abuse to play catch up with their past physiques , but they ALWAYS used oil, just you couldn't tell. Flex 93 was full of oil already, but clever use
Flex spoke about had a plastic surgeon inject it! Think he first showed up with it in the 98 olympia!
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A back as good as Gary Strydoms.
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Flex spoke about had a plastic surgeon inject it! Think he first showed up with it in the 98 olympia!
first time it was noticed, because his physique was on the decline, and he tried to make up for it with more oil, much like nasser
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No.
Apparently nobody filmed this contest.
i believe it was the 'dairy queen classic'
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overrated beyond belief.
There are a handful of "freaky" pictures of his veins popping and him towering over others due to his height. That's what makes him "freaky."
He however could not hold a pose. His whole posing routine was a mess.
He didn't even train his back.
He had great arms and a good chest.
and Paul did indeed had a gut. Something he actually hid well. You can find some pictures with his gut showing.
ur an idiot midget
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Oil
Oil has been in use since early 90s, and clever use mid 90s onwards. Intelligent use of oil to strech muscle fascia pre training, and to augment the size of muscle.
Delts and arms.
How did guys like flex, priest, ruhl, dillett, nasser, mattarazzo get the delts and arms? Esiclene went out in the 80s and early 90s, the guys don't talk about oil
Flex and nasser are examples later in career of abuse to play catch up with their past physiques , but they ALWAYS used oil, just you couldn't tell. Flex 93 was full of oil already, but clever use
No i dont think Flex was FULL of oil in 93... AFTER 93 yup, although i hear what your saying about Esiclene in the 80s good point, Mattarazzo, Dillets, and Priests arms were MOSTLY Genetic and IMO it wasnt til there Places started going down-hill the Obvious signs of Oil use More so in the Delts was becoming more and more Evident and with Nasser and Flex there arms were taking on Ridiculous amounts from 97 onwards both Flexs and Nassers arms in particular looked Embarrassing in 99.
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overrated beyond belief.
There are a handful of "freaky" pictures of his veins popping and him towering over others due to his height. That's what makes him "freaky."
He however could not hold a pose. His whole posing routine was a mess.
He didn't even train his back.
He had great arms and a good chest.
and Paul did indeed had a gut. Something he actually hid well. You can find some pictures with his gut showing.
The only pics that I've seen of Paul with a gut are offseason pics, when he was about 320+ pounds.
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No i dont think Flex was FULL of oil in 93... AFTER 93 yup, although i hear what your saying about Esiclene in the 80s good point, Mattarazzo, Dillets, and Priests arms were MOSTLY Genetic and IMO it wasnt til there Places started going down-hill the Obvious signs of Oil use More so in the Delts was becoming more and more Evident and with Nasser and Flex there arms were taking on Ridiculous amounts from 97 onwards both Flexs and Nassers arms in particular looked Embarrassing in 99.
I think we're saying more or less the same, guys likelevrone, flex, priest, matarrazzo all have good arms naturally, but did supplement with oil, making them even freakier and bigger, and as physiques decline, becomes more obvious, as they may also play catch up with more oil
De mayo was another
I think (my speculation - I wasn't there with them)the major jump in arm size all the guys with the already massive arms, was due to a principle similar to fst7 nowdays, injecting to strech muscle fascia pre workout, and allowing to accomodate new size. Charles glass may have pioneered this, as many of his guys incl gunter attained new size in delts and arms, cormier too,
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Yip good points...injecting to stretch muscle fascia....this is of course Wide spread now
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Yip good points...injecting to stretch muscle fascia....this is of course Wide spread now
You understand that, but many people still think that only the ones with obvious lumps are users of seo
Clever users like darrem charles and priest, one can't see it
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what was up with ferrigno,s calves back in the early 90,s? was that oil or implants? bodybuilding had takin a turn for the worst the last 20 years or so :(
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You understand that, but many people still think that only the ones with obvious lumps are users of seo
Clever users like darrem charles and priest, one can't see it
I have seen Darrem up close many times, he lives in South Florida, don't think he uses oil in his arms! It's genetics he has high peaks his arms are not that big, i would say 19" at the most!