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We need one more thread on this shit ::)
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And more Obama threads...
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And more Obama threads...
True.
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How many have you started?
Easily over a hundred.
Ever considered getting a job?
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How many have you started?
Easily over a hundred.
Ever considered getting a job?
Ever considered treatment?
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Ever considered treatment?
I'm functioning just fine. Never got hit by an IED.
I assume that's your schtick since you like making fun of disabled vets.
I've got a degree, a job, a girlfriend, learning Chinese and my future is looking bright.
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yup. but even this thread with no point on the topic will probably go 6 pages ::)
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He smoked pot. He boxed. He deserved death. End of thread.
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He smoked pot. He boxed. He deserved death. End of thread.
I just don't get why this is a nation wide story when shit of this bullshit level happens almost every day in America, and has been going for a long time. We're all talking about it because we were all told to talk about it via the media. And yup, we are... Why? Why this case; why now? There are a fucking million greater injustices out there to worry about, ones the media cleary don't give a shit about. I see the masses sucker up and give time to 15 threads all 7 pages long on what the media wants you to be worried about, I'm sorry, I wanna fucking puke.
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I just don't get why this is a nation wide story when shit of this bullshit level happens almost every day in America, and has been going for a long time. We're all talking about it because we were all told to talk about it via the media. And yup, we are... Why? Why this case; why now? There are a fucking million greater injustices out there to worry about, ones the media cleary don't give a shit about. I see the masses sucker up and give time to 15 threads all 7 pages long on what the media wants you to be worried about, I'm sorry, I wanna fucking puke.
Simple - the incompetent leftist media and our piece of trash ghetto marxism messiah made this issue about race and got all the 95%ers riled up.
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He smoked pot. He boxed. He deserved death. End of thread.
pretty funny how hard people will attack the victim here. He's a kid who smoked pot. Half the people here were using coke in college, and they're suddenly holier-than-thou about a minor with THC in his system.
And the fact trayvon RAN TWO BLOCKS TO GET AWAY FROM ZIMMERMAN - and zimm admits it - says it all. He's going to prison for murder.
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pretty funny how hard people will attack the victim here. He's a kid who smoked pot. Half the people here were using coke in college, and they're suddenly holier-than-thou about a minor with THC in his system.
And the fact trayvon RAN TWO BLOCKS TO GET AWAY FROM ZIMMERMAN - and zimm admits it - says it all. He's going to prison for murder.
Sounds like obama who did blow and now moralizes on how everyone should run their lives.
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Sounds like obama who did blow and now moralizes on how everyone should run their lives.
sounds like this ain't an obama thread.
it's about people crying about a violent pothead who ran two blocks to avoid a grownup with a gun.
i'm referring to the getbiggers who are using words like 'drugged out violent thung" to define trayvon, as if zimm was just taking out the garbage by shooting him. I dont care if its ted bundy - you can't chase a human being 2 blocks with a gun and shoot him. The repub prosecutor is right - zimm is a murderer.
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And the fact trayvon RAN TWO BLOCKS TO GET AWAY FROM ZIMMERMAN, AND THEN ZIMMERMAN TURNED AROUND AND HEADED BACK TO HIS TRUCK WHEN TRAYVON CAUGHT UP TO HIM AND CONFRONTED HIM, WHICH THEY CANT DISPROVE - and zimm admits it - says it all. He's going to prison for murder.
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They can't disprove space aliens didn't shoot trayvon.
There is NO EVIEDNCE zimmerman had turned around and headed back to his truck - was there?
Just the word of a man with a smoking gun (literally) in his hand?
WHich completely contradicts "He's running from me".
See, this is what I don't understand - there is no evidence zimmerman was headed back to his truck, was there?
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They can't disprove space aliens didn't shoot trayvon.
There is NO EVIEDNCE zimmerman had turned around and headed back to his truck - was there?
Just the word of a man with a smoking gun (literally) in his hand?
WHich completely contradicts "He's running from me".
See, this is what I don't understand - there is no evidence zimmerman was headed back to his truck, was there?
What do you not understand about being innocent until proven guilty?
Burden of proof is on the prosecution, numbnuts.
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What do you not understand about being innocent until proven guilty?
Burden of proof is on the prosecution, numbnuts.
I dont understand why this isn't the defense for murder in every case in america.
I can chase a man two blocks in the dark with a gun while calling him names- shoot him in the dark where nobody can see - then just claim I magically became un-angry and turned around to go home, was attacked, and defended myself.
Why isn't EVERY defendent using this? And why didn't the prosecutor follow this rule?
I'm sorry, but juries VERY rarely have 100% perfect evidence (videotape of the shooting) - they HAVE to use what happened before and after the shooting to decide what happened during the shooting. I dont' see how the prosecution doesn't prove this - they have zimm's own words that trayvon was fleeing, they have motive (these damn punks) that stole his bike, they have the gun, they have zimm walking AT LEAST 2 blocks in pursuit after agreeing to meet police at truck.
I guess we'll see. But if that's the case, I'm putting on twin glocks and murdering MFckers in alleys all night tonight. Cause if there's no witnesses, nobody can prove i'm not the Punisher. Maybe these homeless bums all attacked me on the way back to my truck. You can't disprove it, right?
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I dont understand why this isn't the defense for murder in every case in america.
I can chase a man two blocks in the dark with a gun while calling him names- shoot him in the dark where nobody can see - then just claim I magically became un-angry and turned around to go home, was attacked, and defended myself.
Why isn't EVERY defendent using this? And why didn't the prosecutor follow this rule?
I'm sorry, but juries VERY rarely have 100% perfect evidence (videotape of the shooting) - they HAVE to use what happened before and after the shooting to decide what happened during the shooting. I dont' see how the prosecution doesn't prove this - they have zimm's own words that trayvon was fleeing, they have motive (these damn punks) that stole his bike, they have the gun, they have zimm walking AT LEAST 2 blocks in pursuit after agreeing to meet police at truck.
I guess we'll see. But if that's the case, I'm putting on twin glocks and murdering MFckers in alleys all night tonight. Cause if there's no witnesses, nobody can prove i'm not the Punisher. Maybe these homeless bums all attacked me on the way back to my truck. You can't disprove it, right?
Maybe because every situation is different?
Maybe cause half of the situations, they can PROVE the defendant wrong?
Maybe because in half the situations, the defendant doesnt have witness and evidence to back his story up with next to nothing to prove it wrong?
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Maybe because every situation is different?
Maybe cause half of the situations, they can PROVE the defendant wrong?
Maybe because in half the situations, the defendant doesnt have witness and evidence to back his story up with next to nothing to prove it wrong?
Neither of us can win this argument today. I guess we'll see in trial.
I dont think i'll strap up and go shoot homeless ppl all day, though. I just don't see the "i dragged them into an alley so nobody could see the shooting, you cant prove he didn't attack me" defense will hold up lol.
Seriously, zimmerman admitted trayvon was running away and agreed to wait in the truck. What happened next? ZImm walked at least 2 blocks and shot someone.
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Zimmerman to be set free. Book on it.
No one knows who started the fight. NO ONE. Florida has that "stand your ground" law. Therefore, with reasonable doubt and with the Florida law behind him, Zimm walks away and a bunch of idiots will take out their frustration by looting and burning down their own neighborhoods.
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This thread is titled wrong for the content. It reads like a fight, in which case the answer would be that Zimmerman won, because he is still alive. That being said, it sucks that both of these people who are involved lives are ruined, not to mention the race tension it creates by all the media coverage, but in my opinion, the kid wasn't going to cure any diseases, and Zimmerman should have been shot for being stupid. That would have settled it. The fact that there is so much media coverage on everything now days keeps everybody overly concerned with the goings on of everybody else. 100 years ago, no one would have batted an eye, or heard about this outside of the town it happened in. It's almost like how we get so up in arms today when a few soldiers die in combat(not saying that what they do isn't awesome, and those dudes are animals to be fighting for us, and I mean that in a good way) in Iraq. Do you realize how lucky we are that it is only that few? Look at the casualties of the first two world wars, or Vietnam. What I'm trying to say is, its one fucking person, shit happens everyday, people are assholes and shoot people, but because Al and Jesse made a fuss, everybody has to feel guilty about this kid and get up in arms about it. It's not that big a deal, people die everyday.
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This thread is titled wrong for the content. It reads like a fight, in which case the answer would be that Zimmerman won, because he is still alive. That being said, it sucks that both of these people who are involved lives are ruined, not to mention the race tension it creates by all the media coverage, but in my opinion, the kid wasn't going to cure any diseases, and Zimmerman should have been shot for being stupid. That would have settled it. The fact that there is so much media coverage on everything now days keeps everybody overly concerned with the goings on of everybody else. 100 years ago, no one would have batted an eye, or heard about this outside of the town it happened in. It's almost like how we get so up in arms today when a few soldiers die in combat(not saying that what they do isn't awesome, and those dudes are animals to be fighting for us, and I mean that in a good way) in Iraq. Do you realize how lucky we are that it is only that few? Look at the casualties of the first two world wars, or Vietnam. What I'm trying to say is, its one fucking person, shit happens everyday, people are assholes and shoot people, but because Al and Jesse made a fuss, everybody has to feel guilty about this kid and get up in arms about it. It's not that big a deal, people die everyday.
This is what I think as well.
People let themselves get so fucking riled up over a 17 year old kid being killed they lose objectivity.
Yes its a travesty, but its no different than any of the other 1000 people that get killed every day.
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Zimmerman to be set free. Book on it.
No one knows who started the fight. NO ONE. Florida has that "stand your ground" law. Therefore, with reasonable doubt and with the Florida law behind him, Zimm walks away and a bunch of idiots will take out their frustration by looting and burning down their own neighborhoods.
I think a reasonable juror would look at the set of FACTS - Zimmerman said trayvon had run away from him. The distances from truck shows trayvon had run at least 2 blocks. Zimmerman walked himself 2 blocks on his own two feet.
Jurors have to decide who they believe started the fight. Which one was using profanity and pursuing the other. They jury doesn't need 100% anythng - they convict ppl all the time without videotapes of shooting. hell, often they'll only have a body with zero testimony, and they'll have to weigh evidence and decide what happened. This fcked up visoin people have - that without a videotape of the shooting PROVING zimm wrong, he walks...
Well, they charged his ass. That says a lot.
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I think a reasonable juror would look at the set of FACTS - Zimmerman said trayvon had run away from him. The distances from truck shows trayvon had run at least 2 blocks. Zimmerman walked himself 2 blocks on his own two feet.
Jurors have to decide who they believe started the fight. Which one was using profanity and pursuing the other. They jury doesn't need 100% anythng - they convict ppl all the time without videotapes of shooting. hell, often they'll only have a body with zero testimony, and they'll have to weigh evidence and decide what happened. This fcked up visoin people have - that without a videotape of the shooting PROVING zimm wrong, he walks...
Well, they charged his ass. That says a lot.
Jesus Christ man. Really?
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Jesus Christ man. Really?
the defense is free to introduce as many theories as it wants. They do it all the time. Most of the time, jurors dont' see it as credible. The prosecutors make their case. The defense attacks that, and maybe introduces their own weird theories. The prosecution is under no obligation to address & disprove every silly theory the defense can come up with.
They tell the jury what happened, and the jury has to believe it or not beleive it. That's it.
So yea, zimmerman can say he was attacked, he can say aliens did it, he can say it was the one-armed man. And the prosecution DOES NOT have to prove there wasn't a one-armed man running hte streets. They only have to show an angry, armed man chased a kid 2 blocks in the dark.
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Nothing unusual. It's a nationwide story. Of course there will be numerous threads about it. Big deal.
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Nothing unusual. It's a nationwide story. Of course there will be numerous threads about it. Big deal.
Got to love Hugo - pops in every now and then to complain about the threads while rarely or never offering ones of his own. ::)
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Dershowitz: Prosecutor Should Drop Charges Against Zimmerman
The New American ^ | 23 May, 2012 | R. Cort Kirkwood
Posted on Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:51:56 AM by marktwain
Leftist Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz says special prosecutor Angela Corey should drop the second-degree murder charge against George Zimmerman, the Hispanic man who shot Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26 in Sanford, Florida.
The evidence that Zimmerman told the truth when he said Martin attacked and tried to kill him, Dershowitz wrote in the New York Daily News, is too much to ignore. And the only right thing for the prosecutor to do, he concluded, is forget about nailing Zimmerman for murder.
Dershowitz has been speaking out about the case since the prosecutor released an affidavit that Dershowitz said fell fall short of what is legally required. Most notably, it lies by omission, he implied.
Prosecutor Unethical
The Harvard law professor unbosomed his opinion after prosecutors released the evidence in the case, including photos and a report about Zimmerman’s injuries sustained in the fight for his life against the enraged 17-year-old football player.
As The New American reported last week, the medical evidence backs up the account Zimmerman gave police: that Martin brutally attacked him, breaking his nose and bashing his head into the ground, before Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot the teenager.
The medical report showed that Zimmerman had a “closed fracture” of the nose, lacerations on his head and a minor back injury. Photos confirm the written report.
As well, the autopsy on Martin showed Zimmerman shot him at close range, which is, again, consistent with Zimmerman’s account, and that Martin had an abrasion on one of his fingers and trace amounts of THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, in his system. Whether Martin was stoned when he attacked Zimmerman is unclear.
Dershowitz says the time has come to drop the case. “If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman — if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professional,” he wrote, adding,
There is, of course, no assurance that the special prosecutor handling the case, State Attorney Angela Corey, will do the right thing. Because until now, her actions have been anything but ethical, lawful and professional.
Dershowitz also reprised earlier his remarks of a few weeks ago, which suggested that the prosecutor’s affidavit was faulty because did not contain exculpatory evidence. “She was aware when she submitted an affidavit that it did not contain the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She deliberately withheld evidence that supported Zimmerman’s claim of self-defense,” he wrote.
A few weeks ago, Dershowitz noted that such affidavits must contain “all relevant information,” and that not including evidence that would prove Zimmerman’s innocence is “unethical,” “immoral” and “irresponsible.” He even called the affidavit “stupid.”
This week, Dershowitz explained more:
The New York Times has reported that the police had “a full face picture” of Zimmerman, before paramedics treated him, that showed “a bloodied nose.” The prosecutor also had photographic evidence of bruises to the back of his head.
But none of this was included in any affidavit.
Now there is much more extensive medical evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman’s version of events.
Dershowitz also explained that Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law might not be an issue in the case, and that even if Zimmerman cannot use the law as a defense, he may still have a legitimate claim of self defense. “A defendant, under Florida law, loses his ‘stand your ground’ defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force,” he wrote.
Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman — and if Zimmerman couldn’t protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin — he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)
Dershowitz is highly concerned that Corey said her job was to get “justice for Trayvon Martin” but not for George Zimmerman. That, Dershowitz wrote, is not a prosecutor’s job. Nor he wrote, is her job to get a conviction to avoid racial troubles that might arise should Zimmerman go free:
As many see it, her additional job is to prevent riots of the sort that followed the acquittal of the policemen who beat Rodney King.
Indeed, Mansfield Frazier, a columnist for the Daily Beast, has suggested that it is the responsibility of the legal system to “avert a large scale racial calamity.” He has urged Zimmerman’s defense lawyer to become a “savior” by brokering a deal to plead his client guilty to a crime that “has him back on the streets within this decade.”
But it is not the role of a defense lawyer to save the world or the country. His job — his only job — is to get the best result for his client, by all legal and ethical means. …
The prosecutor’s job is far broader: to do justice to the defendant as well as the alleged victim.
As the Supreme Court has said: “The government wins ... when justice is done.”
Zimmerman’s lawyer is doing his job. It’s about time for the prosecutor to start doing hers.
Evidence Likely Means Acquittal
Corey charged Zimmerman with second-degree murder in early April. At the time, legal experts wondered how she would get a conviction given the high standard of evidence required to prove such a crime. That evidence must include proof that the accused “evinc[ed] a depraved mind regardless of human life.” The defense experts concluded that she “overcharged” to force a plea deal from Zimmerman.
But then the prosecutor released the affidavit, which suggested they had no case. Dershowitz noted as much at the time: The evidence, he said, is “so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge.” He also called the affidavit a “grave ethical violation” because of what it didn’t include: the evidence supported Zimmerman’s claim that Martin attacked him.
Indeed, Dershowitz confidently said the evidence was so weak Zimmerman would be probably be acquitted, and he accused Corey of trying to score political points with the charge. “I think what you have here is an elected public official who made a campaign speech last night for reelection when she gave her presentation and overcharged,” he said. “f the evidence is no stronger than what appears in the probable cause affidavit — this case will result in an acquittal.”
Now Dershowitz flatly calls on Corey to drop the case.
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Dershowitz also explained that Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law might not be an issue in the case, and that even if Zimmerman cannot use the law as a defense, he may still have a legitimate claim of self defense. “A defendant, under Florida law, loses his ‘stand your ground’ defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force,” he wrote.
Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman — and if Zimmerman couldn’t protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin — he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)
This is it, right here.
240, go end yourself.
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“If the evidence is no stronger than what appears in the probable cause affidavit — this case will result in an acquittal.”
IF IF IF IF IF IF IF
That's fine. If we have seen 100% of the damning evidence against Zimmerman, then yes, it's weak.
But methinks the republican prosecutor hasn't released everything she has ;)
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“If the evidence is no stronger than what appears in the probable cause affidavit — this case will result in an acquittal.”
IF IF IF IF IF IF IF
That's fine. If we have seen 100% of the damning evidence against Zimmerman, then yes, it's weak.
But methinks the republican prosecutor hasn't released everything she has ;)
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The Harvard law professor unbosomed his opinion after prosecutors released the evidence in the case, including photos and a report about Zimmerman’s injuries sustained in the fight for his life against the enraged 17-year-old football player
suggested they had no case. Dershowitz noted as much at the time: The evidence, he said, is “so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge.” He also called the affidavit a “grave ethical violation” because of what it didn’t include: the evidence supported Zimmerman’s claim that Martin attacked him
Dershowitz also explained that Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law might not be an issue in the case, and that even if Zimmerman cannot use the law as a defense, he may still have a legitimate claim of self defense. “A defendant, under Florida law, loses his ‘stand your ground’ defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force,” he wrote.
Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman — and if Zimmerman couldn’t protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin — he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)
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The New York Times has reported that the police had “a full face picture” of Zimmerman, before paramedics treated him, that showed “a bloodied nose.” The prosecutor also had photographic evidence of bruises to the back of his head.
But none of this was included in any affidavit.
Now there is much more extensive medical evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman’s version of events.
Dershowitz also explained that Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law might not be an issue in the case, and that even if Zimmerman cannot use the law as a defense, he may still have a legitimate claim of self defense. “A defendant, under Florida law, loses his ‘stand your ground’ defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force,” he wrote.
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Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman — and if Zimmerman couldn’t protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin — he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)
Dershowitz is highly concerned that Corey said her job was to get “justice for Trayvon Martin” but not for George Zimmerman. That, Dershowitz wrote, is not a prosecutor’s job. Nor he wrote, is her job to get a conviction to avoid racial troubles that might arise should Zimmerman go free:
Why didn't the prosecutor include this information when she charged Zimmerman? Probably because, as Dershowitz says, she is trying to get "justice" for Martin but not Zimmerman.
The prosecutor has admitted they have no evidenced Zimmerman started the fight? How the heck are they going to prove murder? Talk about an abuse of power. Scary stuff.
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The shoot itself was legal. I've said that for over a month now.
But since he did everything he could to cause the situation where he could be a hero, taking down the thug as police arrived, and he was an angry prick busybody..
Lock him up!
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The shoot itself was legal. I've said that for over a month now.
But since he did everything he could to cause the situation where he could be a hero, taking down the thug as police arrived, and he was an angry prick busybody..
Lock him up!
Legal shoot means he didnt break any laws fucknuts.
Its very clearly laid out for you - someone can initiate a fight and still kill someone in self-defense.
This is your personal opinion of how the world SHOULD work, in 240 land. Not how it actually works. Thanks for proving my point.
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Legal shoot means he didnt break any laws fucknuts.
Its very clearly laid out for you - someone can initiate a fight and still kill someone in self-defense.
This is your personal opinion of how the world SHOULD work, in 240 land. Not how it actually works. Thanks for proving my point.
juries 'correct' moral injustices all the time.
a kid is dead because this jackass manipulated the law and exaggerated shit to law enforcement...
a kid is dead because this jackass didn't have the self-control to just wait in truck...
a kid is dead because of zimmerman.
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juries 'correct' moral injustices all the time.
a kid is dead because this jackass manipulated the law and exaggerated shit to law enforcement...
a kid is dead because this jackass didn't have the self-control to just wait in truck...
a kid is dead because of zimmerman.
1.Proof. You keep saying this, but not ONE time have you proven that "Juries correct "moral" injusticies all the time." (Especially considering thats not there fucking job).
There job is justice in the eyes of the law. Not to punish others based on their view of morality (which is different person to person). I sure hope one day you wind up on the other end of a jury enforcing their version of "morality" just so you can know what its like to not break any laws and still wind up in jail and your life ruined.
2.Inconsequential, why the fuck would he have to stay in his truck?
3.Only true thing in your whole statement.
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Oh, zimm was exaggerating shit on that 911 call.
"Proof"? My bullshit detector. Jurors have them too. He was making it up as he went along.
"The guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about"
yeah, he's making it up as it goes. Listen to it. He's bullshittin'
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Oh, zimm was exaggerating shit on that 911 call.
"Proof"? My bullshit detector. Jurors have them too. He was making it up as he went along.
"The guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about"
yeah, he's making it up as it goes. Listen to it. He's bullshittin'
*shakes head, leaves building in amazement of the display of utter idiocy.*
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*shakes head, leaves building in amazement of the display of utter idiocy.*
Did ya listen to the tape? ZImm is full of shit. He just wants police there to check out a person he doesn't like the looks of.
He's using the police for his own little investigative mission, profiling a kid just walking home from the store with a snack.
And if he's full of shit about what happened right before the shooting, it's a safe bet he's lying about the shooting too. Oh, and the inconsistencies with the story that are coming out confirm that too.
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Did ya listen to the tape? ZImm is full of shit. He just wants police there to check out a person he doesn't like the looks of.
He's using the police for his own little investigative mission, profiling a kid just walking home from the store with a snack.
And if he's full of shit about what happened right before the shooting, it's a safe bet he's lying about the shooting too. Oh, and the inconsistencies with the story that are coming out confirm that too.
Youre convicting a man BASED ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL BULLSHIT DETECTOR.
I cant even begin to come up with how retarded that is.
You should never, ever be allowed on a jury.
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Youre convicting a man BASED ON YOUR OWN PERSONAL BULLSHIT DETECTOR.
I cant even begin to come up with how retarded that is.
You should never, ever be allowed on a jury.
Jurors are always given TWO versions of events. At least one of them is false. Sometimes both.
Jurors are trusted to take the evidence and theories into consideration, using their brains, common sense, and bullshit detectors, and reach a conclusion. The 12 of them sit down, talk it out, decide who is the liar, who is credible, and they reach their verdict.
And if I was a juror, I would listen to the tape and say "oh, that dude lyin..."
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Jurors are always given TWO versions of events. At least one of them is false. Sometimes both.
Jurors are trusted to take the evidence and theories into consideration, using their brains, common sense, and bullshit detectors, and reach a conclusion. The 12 of them sit down, talk it out, decide who is the liar, who is credible, and they reach their verdict.
And if I was a juror, I would listen to the tape and say "oh, that dude lyin..."
Thats why you shouldnt ever be on a jury.
Bullshit detectors are NOT an approved way to determine if someone is telling the truth or not in a court of law... Jesus fucking Christ.
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Thats why you shouldnt ever be on a jury.
Bullshit detectors are NOT an approved way to determine if someone is telling the truth or not in a court of law... Jesus fucking Christ.
phrase it any way you like. Jurors hear two stories and deem at least one of them NOT CREDIBLE.
You can call it bullshit detector, you can call it "believing it not to be credible".
Every single time, the jury finds at least one of the theories presented - from the defense and/or the prosecution - NOT CREDIBLE. Or, as I like to call it, bullshit.
The prosecutor will say ZImmerman profiled then chased trayvon thru the yards and got into a fight and shot him. They'll point out inconsistencies in his testimony, and deem him not credible. They'll show evidence and witnesses that support that.
The defense will do the opposite - pointing out evidence and witnesses they think helps sell their story that zimm's anger all went away and he was talking back to truck and was attacked and shot in self-defense.
Then, 12 Floridians will have to enter a room and talk about it. They'lll determine one of the stories is believable, and one is not.
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I think a reasonable juror would look at the set of FACTS - Zimmerman said trayvon had run away from him. The distances from truck shows trayvon had run at least 2 blocks. Zimmerman walked himself 2 blocks on his own two feet.
Jurors have to decide who they believe started the fight. Which one was using profanity and pursuing the other. They jury doesn't need 100% anythng - they convict ppl all the time without videotapes of shooting. hell, often they'll only have a body with zero testimony, and they'll have to weigh evidence and decide what happened. This fcked up visoin people have - that without a videotape of the shooting PROVING zimm wrong, he walks...
Well, they charged his ass. That says a lot.
This is wrong. They can't base their verdict solely on a personal hunch. It has to be based on PROOF.
I am sure that there were jurors who believed that based on her actions Casey Anthony killed her daughter. But, there wasn't enough evidence or strong enough evidence by the prosecutor connecting her to the murder.
There is no evidence here showing who started the fight, but there is evidence that Zimm got his butt whuped and may have felt his life was in danger.
There isn't any solid evidence as to who began the fight. Therefore, Zimm is free to go. Like it or not.
Casey's case seemed to have a greater chance of a guilty verdict than this case when it began.
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There isn't any solid evidence as to who began the fight. Therefore, Zimm is free to go. Like it or not.
If someone chases me 2 blocks in the dark with a gun while calling me a punk and an asshole...
and I run away from him...
oh, his ass has already started a fight by making me fear for my life.
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If someone chases me 2 blocks in the dark with a gun while calling me a punk and an asshole...
and I run away from him...
oh, his ass has already started a fight by making me fear for my life.
Dershowitz also explained that Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law might not be an issue in the case, and that even if Zimmerman cannot use the law as a defense, he may still have a legitimate claim of self defense. “A defendant, under Florida law, loses his ‘stand your ground’ defense if he provoked the encounter — but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force,” he wrote.
Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman — and if Zimmerman couldn’t protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin — he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)
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If someone chases me 2 blocks in the dark with a gun while calling me a punk and an asshole...
and I run away from him...
oh, his ass has already started a fight by making me fear for my life.
Really?
Have you beaten people up for just staring at you?
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Really?
Have you beaten people up for just staring at you?
Dude with a gun chases you two blocks at night while calling you punk and asshole...
and you don't fear for your life? lol!
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This is wrong. They can't base their verdict soley on a personal hunch. It has to be based on PROOF.
I am sure that there were jurors who believed that based on her actions Casey Anthony killed her daughter. But, there wasn't enough evidence or strong enough evience by the prosecutor connecting her to the murder.
There is no evidence here showing who started the fight, but there is evidence that Zimm got his butt whuped and may have felt his life was in danger.
There isn't any solid evidence as to who began the fight. Therefore, Zimm is free to go. Like it or not.
Casey's case seemed to have a greater chance of a guilty verdict than this case when it began.
+1
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Sharpton and Jackson should crawl back under the rock they came out from. Even the MSM now realizes there is not a case against Zimmerman. They exposed themselves again with their liberal bias in this case. More and more people will wake up. Who even watches CNN, NBC, or even FOX?
The only reason I visit CNN's web site is to see what kind of shit they're peddling next. Gotta keep an eye on your enemy you know. I also read the comments to gauge how many people have woken up and by God it seems there's hope out there. Their censors don't even put an effort in anymore to cut some of the comments.
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If someone chases me 2 blocks in the dark with a gun while calling me a punk and an asshole...
and I run away from him...
oh, his ass has already started a fight by making me fear for my life.
BS that's not what happened and you know it. You refuse to admit you've been wrong all along.
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Yall are saying - if you're walking home from the store and some fat dude with a gun chases you two blocks while calling you asshole -
You don't fear for your life? I carry a piece and I'd be terrified. For all I know, he's some wannaebe cop, criminal justice major who had to drop outta school cause he got charged with a felony due to an inability to control his rage.
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Yall are saying - if you're walking home from the store and some fat dude with a gun chases you two blocks while calling you asshole -
You don't fear for your life? I carry a piece and I'd be terrified. For all I know, he's some wannaebe cop, criminal justice major who had to drop outta school cause he got charged with a felony due to an inability to control his rage.
Fag. Why not just say "hey man - what's up?".
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Fag. Why not just say "hey man - what's up?".
seriously, you've already run two blocks... and you're finally face-to-face with some prick with a gun calling you names...
and you're ready for conversation? Sheeit, I fear for my life, I'm lying prone and hitting center mass.
Conversation... LMAO. He he hesitates is lost.
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seriously, you've already run two blocks... and you're finally face-to-face with some prick with a gun calling you names...
and you're ready for conversation? Sheeit, I fear for my life, I'm lying prone and hitting center mass.
Conversation... LMAO. He he hesitates is lost.
Zimm was not brandishing The gun before the physical confrontation.
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Yall are saying - if you're walking home from the store and some fat dude with a gun chases you two blocks while calling you asshole -
You don't fear for your life? I carry a piece and I'd be terrified. For all I know, he's some wannaebe cop, criminal justice major who had to drop outta school cause he got charged with a felony due to an inability to control his rage.
trayvon didnt know he had a gun and never heard zimmerman call him an ass hole...
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Sharpton and Jackson should crawl back under the rock they came out from. Even the MSM now realizes there is not a case against Zimmerman. They exposed themselves again with their liberal bias in this case. More and more people will wake up. Who even watches CNN, NBC, or even FOX?
The only reason I visit CNN's web site is to see what kind of shit they're peddling next. Gotta keep an eye on your enemy you know. I also read the comments to gauge how many people have woken up and by God it seems there's hope out there. Their censors don't even put an effort in anymore to cut some of the comments.
Um, everyone in America.
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Um, everyone in America.
::).
Seek treatment.
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Zimm was not brandishing The gun before the physical confrontation.
link to proof?
We don't know either way.
In my opinion, ,any guy who will assault law enforcement will brandish a weapon. Felons are felons.
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link to proof?
We don't know either way.
In my opinion, ,any guy who will assault law enforcement will brandish a weapon. Felons are felons.
Wow.
You really are going off the deep end now. Id say any credability you had, is gone now.
Convict a man based on your hunch and because of assumptions of how somebody acts with no actual proof?
Youre pretty pathetic.
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trayvon didnt know he had a gun and never heard zimmerman call him an ass hole...
Trayvon didn't know zimm had a gun?
Sorry, but littleBigManZimmerman is EXACTLY the dude that has to let everyone in every situation know he's packing heat.
I'd bet my left shoe he had his hand on the butt of that holstered weapon as he approached trayvon, ready to draw. The kid realized this vigilante gunman was a frog hair from drawing a gun - for no reason. So trayvon tried to disarm him?
It's a shitty situation, but zimmerman's dicklessness, his little big man requirement to be the hero... well, it got a kid killed. Whatever the law says, that punk belongs in prison. And the jury will agree. You find loopholes (i can start fights, feel scared, and execture minors)? Juries will make it right when the law fails.
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Trayvon didn't know zimm had a gun?
Sorry, but littleBigManZimmerman is EXACTLY the dude that has to let everyone in every situation know he's packing heat.
I'd bet my left shoe he had his hand on the butt of that holstered weapon as he approached trayvon, ready to draw. The kid realized this vigilante gunman was a frog hair from drawing a gun - for no reason. So trayvon tried to disarm him?
It's a shitty situation, but zimmerman's dicklessness, his little big man requirement to be the hero... well, it got a kid killed. Whatever the law says, that punk belongs in prison. And the jury will agree. You find loopholes (i can start fights, feel scared, and execture minors)? Juries will make it right when the law fails.
Proof of any of your accusations? Proof of any sort of mental state? Proof of his "dicklessness little big man" syndrome? Cause you cant point to his gun, the Cops told him to buy one to protect his family from neighborhood dogs.
You know, since you just asked Tony for it.
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Proof of any of your accusations? Proof of any sort of mental state? Proof of his "dicklessness little big man" syndrome? Cause you cant point to his gun, the Cops told him to buy one to protect his family from neighborhood dogs.
You know, since you just asked Tony for it.
neither side can prove either theory. it's up to the jury to decide.
Proof of littlebigman syndrome? He was calling police about potholes and open garage doors. Obviously a 3 inch penis. As insecure as they come.
He wasn't chasing neighborhood dogs that night. He took that gun, and we know why. He thought he might have to use it. And ANY time you think you might need to use your gun - YOU DONT ENTER THAT FCKING SITUATION. You stay in the #@^#* truck.
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The jury has to believe zimmerman, calling trayvon an asshole/punk and accusing him of always getting away...
zimmerman walks 2 blocks... suddenly gives up and isn't an angry aggressor anymore.
Then he's just a regular guy attacked for no reason, a victim of street crime. Remember, trayvon didnt wanna attack him at the mailboxes. But 2 blocks later he does, huh?
Sorry, adult chases kid 2 blocks with a gun, accusing him of a crime and calling him profanity. SHoots him. Reports of inconsistencies in story. He's going to jail.
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neither side can prove either theory. it's up to the jury to decide.
Proof of littlebigman syndrome? He was calling police about potholes and open garage doors. Obviously a 3 inch penis. As insecure as they come.
He wasn't chasing neighborhood dogs that night. He took that gun, and we know why. He thought he might have to use it. And ANY time you think you might need to use your gun - YOU DONT ENTER THAT FCKING SITUATION. You stay in the #@^#* truck.
so what you just said is the prosecution cant prove zimmerman is guilty.
Sounds about right, so you believe in guilty until proven innocent then yea?
very American of you...
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so what you just said is the prosecution cant prove zimmerman is guilty.
Sounds about right, so you believe in guilty until proven innocent then yea?
very American of you...
People are convicted all the time with FAR LESS evidence.
Zimm admits on tape
1) Motive (he's one of those burglars)
2) Anger (fcking asshole, punk)
3) Pursuit (shooting was 2 blocks from truck)
4) Vigilantism (he knew police were close, woudl not wait)
5) Armed
If you wanna toss in exaggeration, or you don't, either way. People get convicted with far less.
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neither side can prove either theory. it's up to the jury to decide.
Proof of littlebigman syndrome? He was calling police about potholes and open garage doors. Obviously a 3 inch penis. As insecure as they come.
He wasn't chasing neighborhood dogs that night. He took that gun, and we know why. He thought he might have to use it. And ANY time you think you might need to use your gun - YOU DONT ENTER THAT FCKING SITUATION. You stay in the #@^#* truck.
Quit projecting your own insecurities and morals as law.
It makes you sound like a fucking idiot.
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Quit projecting your own insecurities and morals as law.
It makes you sound like an fucking idiot.
we're all just debateing partial evidence. With the full evidence, we probably woudn't argue anything. Zimm called the police nonstop for little shit. He was a drama queen.
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we're all just debateing partial evidence. With the full evidence, we probably woudn't argue anything. Zimm called the police nonstop for little shit. He was a drama queen.
well that solves it, the only thing I cant figure out is why the prosecution didnt go with 1st degree murder...
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well that solves it, the only thing I cant figure out is why the prosecution didnt go with 1st degree murder...
1st degree murder is murder that was planned, whereas 2nd degree murder is murder that was unplanned
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1st degree murder is murder that was planned, whereas 2nd degree murder is murder that was unplanned
even. You know deep down. 2nd degree is bs.
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even. You know deep down. 2nd degree is bs.
agreed. probably manslaughter. you can't dance thru loopholes and go around shooting kids and expect a pat on the back for your bravery. he was a dipshit for not waiting for police. anyone can do that - create life/death situations with a gun in the dark. most of us dont. if 100,000 zimmermans did this once a week, you would NOT be okay with it. We'd have an unchecked dangerous vigilante society.
but you're okay with it... just this once ;)
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agreed. probably manslaughter. you can't dance thru loopholes and go around shooting kids and expect a pat on the back for your bravery. he was a dipshit for not waiting for police. anyone can do that - create life/death situations with a gun in the dark. most of us dont. if 100,000 zimmermans did this once a week, you would NOT be okay with it. We'd have an unchecked dangerous vigilante society.
but you're okay with it... just this once ;)
YOU are the fucking drama queen.. Methinks thats why you hate Zimmerman so much.
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Got to love Hugo - pops in every now and then to complain about the threads while rarely or never offering ones of his own. ::)
fuck you asshole... I fucking knew you would say this shit. It's been about a month that I have not been posting much and you start bitching about it ::) I log on here at least 8 times a day and read through shit.
Big deal, I chill for a month and you have a fit ::)
Fuck off douchbag. Both Ozmo and BB have taken long trips away from the board and you never bitched about that asshole. I still log on and check shit out daily and you get pissy over that.
Ohhh, so sorry for actually doing something other than posting here all day long like you.
I'll get right on that mission to make 100,000 posts before you.... not...
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and lol that this thread is 3 pages long. I guess we need some more threads on the subject...
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Dude with a gun chases you two blocks at night while calling you punk and asshole...
and you don't fear for your life? lol!
I would fear for my life. But, how smart is it to confront and punch a person who has a gun?
Besides, that is not what happened here. Trayvon did not know Zimm had a gun.
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YOU are the fucking drama queen.. Methinks thats why you hate Zimmerman so much.
trayvon RAN AWAY.
A kid ran away toward his house.
The police were on there way for 'looking suspicious' - already trayvon broke no law and zimm called the police on him for his looks alone.
Then, he had to go FURTHER, and walk at least 2 blocks in further pursuit of a kid that showed NO THREAT. The kid was running away.
Zimm caused the whoel thing. He could have stayed in his truck, the police would have pulled up, grabbed trayvon, and shook him down. Innocent of any crime, send him on his way, and tell zimm to stop wasting their time. ZImm knew that. He needed the get the kid in trouble, and saying he attacked him is a good way to do that.
Only thing is, zimm can't fight and got in over his head, and sanford PD didn't arrive on cue like he had hoped.
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I would fear for my life. But, how smart is it to confront and punch a person who has a gun?
Besides, that is not what happened here. Trayvon did not know Zimm had a gun.
We dont know he didn't know.
My bet is that if you're out 'on the ready', chasing down, your hand is on the butt of the gun. And trayvon saw that. And if you've watched lenny mcgill move shoot live series, you know the only hope of survival when a person approaches you with a gun is to disarm. I would have went for the @##^%@^ gun too
What happens on the street in the dark happens fast. ZImm caused all of this.