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Here is a shot I took in 97, I have just scanning the 1000s of old negs that I have.
There are more shots that I have forgotten than remembered.
Here is a shot of Nasser and Dorian never seen before.
TD
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Keep posting them! New footage... cool
Fux's belly looks outta control in the background
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not this shit again
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NEVER SEEN BEFORE?!?! WOW, CALL UP THE MUSEUM OF MODERN ART! THESE MUST GO IN THERE!
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great pic Tony
please keep the unseen pics coming
especially any you have of Nasser visiting Down under!
you were @ the show in person- who do you think won?
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great pic Tony
please keep the unseen pics coming
especially any you have of Nasser visiting Down under!
you were @ the show in person- who do you think won?
This statement will be too good to pass up for some people lol
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Nasser toured Oz 2x i think, 97 and 98
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Fux's belly looks outta control in the background
Looks like he needs to release a monster fart/turd
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Hate to admit it but Nasser actually does look better that Dorian in that pic.
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Here is a shot I took in 97, I have just scanning the 1000s of old negs that I have.
There are more shots that I have forgotten than remembered.
Here is a shot of Nasser and Dorian never seen before.
TD
Obviously Nasser looks Better in the FDB than Yates here due to Yates arms being Shot bye 1997, however again his Structure EVEN HERE is Better than Nassers key word being STRUCTURE and imo always was.
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Hate to admit it but Nasser actually does look better that Dorian in that pic.
It appears a favourable angle for nasser and dorian hasn't hit the pose yet
While dorian has a torn bi, nasser has obvious seo in his bis
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yeah cause it's so close in that shot, I can't tell who's winning ::)
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Keep posting them! New footage... cool
Fux's belly looks outta control in the background
Looks very much in control compared to what it was in 99....
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This statement will be too good to pass up for some people lol
I initially thought it was part of membership application for team nasser,
but not sure ???
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great pic Tony
please keep the unseen pics coming
especially any you have of Nasser visiting Down under!
you were @ the show in person- who do you think won?
There was a shot of Nasser and Luke Wood posing in a gym in 96'? going around years ago Messiah might have it.
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looks like nassers holdin his own against yates in that shot, i think nasser held his own and then some against yates in most front shots. unfortunatly for nasser is that he had to turn around and get compared from the back against yates :o. i saw nasser around 96 or 97 guest posing at the jersey and the guy was big beyond belief, freaky huge
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Nasser is not "edging him out" or "holding his own" or "giving him a run", he is utterly destroying yates here, no question. Other shots we can argue the two, but not this one.
this is nassers pose, no bullshit arguments about how nasser'z "elbows too pointy" or "kneecaps too large" or "structurally thick forehead" nasser wins this pose, very easily.
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yea, they actually look quite similar, especially legs, nassers abs are better, then you get to the top and Yates literally has one missing bicep in a fdb pose.
Nasser is not "edging him out" or "holding his own" or "giving him a run", he is utterly destroying yates here, no question. Other shots we can argue the two, but not this one.
this is nassers pose, no bullshit arguments about how nasser'z "elbows too pointy" or "kneecaps too large" or "structurally thick forehead" nasser wins this pose, very easily.
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Dorian was going downhill at the time and nasser hit his prime. Nasser was unbeatable from the front. But his back detail killed it for him....
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NEVER SEEN BEFORE?!?! WOW, CALL UP THE MUSEUM OF MODERN ART! THESE MUST GO IN THERE!
Dont be a fucking asshole, they guy put some work in scanning the pictures in etc. if you don't like it get the fuck out kid.
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I will put up the never before seen back shots later today, see what you all think then.
TD
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great stuff Tony
keep the unseen pics coming!
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Here is a shot I took in 97, I have just scanning the 1000s of old negs that I have.
There are more shots that I have forgotten than remembered.
Here is a shot of Nasser and Dorian never seen before.
TD
Interesting.....
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Funny how Ronnie took 9th that year (given his 13 inch calves) ...but From the knees up he was BETTER than "truck driver" Dorian.
post pics of 97, Ronnie .......never seen someone look so awesome and finish 9th !
Yip Yip
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Nasser is not "edging him out" or "holding his own" or "giving him a run", he is utterly destroying yates here, no question. Other shots we can argue the two, but not this one.
this is nassers pose, no bullshit arguments about how nasser'z "elbows too pointy" or "kneecaps too large" or "structurally thick forehead" nasser wins this pose, very easily.
long torso, short legs = crap. Yates o w n e s him all day
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Fux was carrying some muscle!
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OK, here it is Nasser and Dorian in 97 from the back.
You be the judge!
Previously unpublished shot.
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OK, here it is Nasser and Dorian in 97 from the back.
You be the judge!
Previously unpublished shot.
Kaboom!!!
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wow
great shot
i have to give Nasser the edge in that shot
yates a tad drier+ harder in the back- thats all
Nasser as thick and detailed there AND far better hamstrings
the greatest ROBBERY in the History of the Olympia confirmed right there
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Nasser KILLING dorian on arms and shoulder detail in that BDB also
Dorian has no arms- what a travesty that he won
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Nasser KILLING dorian on arms and shoulder detail in that BDB also
Dorian has no arms- what a travesty that he won
Interesting. Care to comment on Nasser's lack of a whole back? The ONLY shot he has Dorian where arms are involved a FDB. So let's give Nasser that pose. Now care to count how many poses expose his weak back?
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OK one more to add to the argument.
Another never seen before shot (by me)
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long torso, short legs = crap. Yates o w n e s him all day
what a pitiful argument. Nasser wins that pose. what's next? hair thickness counts in that pose ::)
I understand arguing yates was better overall, one can do that objectively.
but to say yates had a better FDB can only be done out of picking favorites, in otherwords being a fanboy. You would say yates had a better FDB if he didn't even have arms ::)
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Nasser beats Dorian from the back on arms, shoulders, lats and legs. Dorian has better traps and overall upperbody conditioning. I'd probably give it to Nasser but it's close.
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great pic Tony
please keep the unseen pics coming
especially any you have of Nasser visiting Down under!
Here is a shot of Nasser backstage with the amateurs during one of our tours.
I thought he was a good sport to do this for the guys, I am sure they would have treasured the opportunity.
TD
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Nasser wins on hamstrings!
Seriously, in all 3 pics, yates wasn't finished hitting the pose, and the angle favors nasser
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Yates looks more detailed and harder in the bdb but Nasser's balance is better and he has the size to match. It's a double biceps pose and Dorian's just look bad.
Rls looks similar, Nasser 's hams are better defined.
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There is no need to debate seriously.
Dorian presents so much weak points and lack of flow that it should have prevented him to be Mr Olympia.
Obviously, the Mr Olympia should be the best bodybuilder in the world. Does Dorian look like a bodybuilder for you? Do you think it's reasonable to lift weights all your life to look like this?
Dorian should have lost his title this year. Not cause of his rivals onstage, but simply cause of what he looked like at the show.
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what a pitiful argument. Nasser wins that pose. what's next? hair thickness counts in that pose ::)
I understand arguing yates was better overall, one can do that objectively.
but to say yates had a better FDB can only be done out of picking favorites, in otherwords being a fanboy. You would say yates had a better FDB if he didn't even have arms ::)
Dorian had arms? ;D
Nasser is destroying Dorian, Dorian is drier in the back and more detailed, every other muscle group he loses. He gets raped from the front in every bodypart.
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Here is a shot I took in 97, I have just scanning the 1000s of old negs that I have.
There are more shots that I have forgotten than remembered.
Here is a shot of Nasser and Dorian never seen before.
TD
torn bicep on yates bet he didn't win the symentry round.
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OK one more to add to the argument.
Another never seen before shot (by me)
If only Nasser leaned back in the RLS, then it would of looked better.
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Dorian had arms? ;D
Nasser is destroying Dorian, Dorian is drier in the back and more detailed, every other muscle group he loses. He gets raped from the front in every bodypart.
arms don't count in a FDB, the judges are more looking for shin length in that pose ::)
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I give Nasser the nod from the front.
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Summed up perfectly:
"He won despite a huge belly (looking like he was pregnant in the sixth month), a waist like a drum, a torn up left biceps, a freshly torn left triceps, a quad tear left, a quad tear right, a torn right hip. He won it with a perfect score, which was just unbelievable. This was a completely staged outcome and the biggest bodybuilding robbery of the 20th century by the clique of judges who “judged”.
I also have to say that some judges had Dorian Yates even in third and fourth place, because about 13 judges judged officially. I think you just use seven of the score sheets. But these judges’ (who scored Dorian lower) score sheets had not been used and some of the judges’ had then been removed from the judging panel because they did not produce what was expected of them to produce.
There are multiple reasons why I did not win. Some judges did not want to upset their friend Dorian and they did not want him to go out of bodybuilding with a defeat after all his injuries and tears. They did not want to give another non-U.S. guy the most prestigious title in bodybuilding because it would underline the U.S. inferiority in bodybuilding compared to non-U.S. athletes."
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Nasser KILLING dorian on arms and shoulder detail in that BDB also
Dorian has no arms- what a travesty that he won
In some '97 shots Nasser clearly has oil in his 'ceps. Noone would have known at the time though so yes a little contentious. He's getting killed in conditioning though.
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In some '97 shots Nasser clearly has oil in his 'ceps. Noone would have known at the time though so yes a little contentious. He's getting killed in conditioning though.
It's always guys who have never competed before who make comments like the above clearly showing they don't know what they are talking about.
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It's always guys who have never competed before who make comments like the above clearly showing they don't know what they are talking about.
I haven't competed before you're right. However, please explain my stupidity tome in more detail. Nasser was great and I respect him, but his biceps were full of shit in '97, and his ass and lower back were comparitively fat nexttoo Dorian. Please prove me wrong.
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I haven't competed before you're right. However, please explain my stupidity tome in more detail. Nasser was great and I respect him, but his biceps were full of shit in '97, and his ass and lower back were comparitively fat nexttoo Dorian. Please prove me wrong.
Nasser NEVER used oil in his physique ::) vicious lies spread by pumpkin heads
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I haven't competed before you're right. However, please explain my stupidity tome in more detail. Nasser was great and I respect him, but his biceps were full of shit in '97, and his ass and lower back were comparitively fat nexttoo Dorian. Please prove me wrong.
lol, so according to your logic the onus is on me to "disprove" your stupid comment otherwise it's deemed to be true? Like i said, the fact that you claiming SEO based on those pics proves you don't konw what you're talking about.
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Nasser NEVER used oil in his physique ::) vicious lies spread by pumpkin heads
Clearly no oil in those biceps.
Anyway, Nasser is close. Wins from front, soundly beaten from the rear.
Its a crapshoot.
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lol, so according to your logic the onus is on me to "disprove" your stupid comment otherwise it's deemed to be true? Like i said, the fact that you claiming SEO based on those pics proves you don't konw what you're talking about.
I can tell you have competed because of the test-addled rage I've sent you into by putting forward the simple probability that Nasser used oil in '97. Admittedly I can't find the pic which best proves my point, so I'll leave it alone, but the conditioning point is a fair comment by me I think? Are you disputing that Dorian had far superior conditioning to Nasser? I can't fully tell what your point is other than that I have not competed, which I haven't. I've gotten a whole lot bigger than you currently appear if that's you in your avatar though, and I know a thing or two about building muscle and conditioning,
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Nasser NEVER used oil in his physique ::) vicious lies spread by pumpkin heads
Are we like, agreeing?!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=427283.0;attach=471468;image)
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I can tell you have competed because of the test-addled rage I've sent you into by putting forward the simple probability that Nasser used oil in '97. Admittedly I can't find the pic which best proves my point, so I'll leave it alone, but the conditioning point is a fair comment by me I think? Are you disputing that Dorian had far superior conditioning to Nasser? I can't fully tell what your point is other than that I have not competed, which I haven't. I've gotten a whole lot bigger than you currently appear if that's you in your avatar though, and I know a thing or two about building muscle and conditioning,
Dorian's back is the only bodypart that is more conditioned than Nasser's in the 97 pics. Genetically some people have less or more detail in certain bodyparts, so you shouldn't look at one bodypart and conclude based on that who is "better conditioned." For example, Nasser's hams are much more conditioned.
LOL no rage here, just find it funny how some people look at a picture and conclude there's "oil" ie SEO. Someone else said in another post in an unrelated thread recenty to the effect that if you knew how many cc's of anabolics top pros take you would realize that there's often the potential for scar tissue buildup or even some swelling from anabolics as opposed to SEO. Some pictures make a stronger arguement but not those 97 shots.
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Dorian's back is the only bodypart that is more conditioned than Nasser's in the 97 pics. Genetically some people have less or more detail in certain bodyparts, so you shouldn't look at one bodypart and conclude based on that who is "better conditioned." For example, Nasser's hams are much more conditioned.
LOL no rage here, just find it funny how some people look at a picture and conclude there's "oil" ie SEO. Someone else said in another post in an unrelated thread recenty to the effect that if you knew how many cc's of anabolics top pros take you would realize that there's often the potential for scar tissue buildup or even some swelling from anabolics as opposed to SEO. Some pictures make a stronger arguement but not those 97 shots.
Oh brother, gayer than the gay sex with Nasser BB fantasizes about every night.
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Nasser had a bad FDB in 97 because his arms were loaded with oil 5 years later ::)
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Nasser had a bad FDB in 97 because his arms were loaded with oil 5 years later ::)
Nasser easily won the front double biceps pose and if the Olympia was judged on that pose alone then even I would say he should have won in 97
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Nasser had a bad FDB in 97 because his arms were loaded with oil 5 years later ::)
I dont think anyone would argue that Nasser lost the FDB.
Nasser crushed Yates in the FDB in 97.
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Here is a shot of Nasser backstage with the amateurs during one of our tours.
I thought he was a good sport to do this for the guys, I am sure they would have treasured the opportunity.
TD
great pic Tony and thanks for posting it
must bring back some great memories :)
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Summed up perfectly:
"He won despite a huge belly (looking like he was pregnant in the sixth month), a waist like a drum, a torn up left biceps, a freshly torn left triceps, a quad tear left, a quad tear right, a torn right hip. He won it with a perfect score, which was just unbelievable. This was a completely staged outcome and the biggest bodybuilding robbery of the 20th century by the clique of judges who “judged”.
I also have to say that some judges had Dorian Yates even in third and fourth place, because about 13 judges judged officially. I think you just use seven of the score sheets. But these judges’ (who scored Dorian lower) score sheets had not been used and some of the judges’ had then been removed from the judging panel because they did not produce what was expected of them to produce.
There are multiple reasons why I did not win. Some judges did not want to upset their friend Dorian and they did not want him to go out of bodybuilding with a defeat after all his injuries and tears. They did not want to give another non-U.S. guy the most prestigious title in bodybuilding because it would underline the U.S. inferiority in bodybuilding compared to non-U.S. athletes."
QFT!
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Here is the relatively unknown Ronnie Coleman the same year.
ON his way to becoming the G.O.A.T.
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Dorian's back is the only bodypart that is more conditioned than Nasser's in the 97 pics. Genetically some people have less or more detail in certain bodyparts, so you shouldn't look at one bodypart and conclude based on that who is "better conditioned." For example, Nasser's hams are much more conditioned.
You also shouldn't look at one picture and draw conclusions. Yates was better conditioned overall. See?
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40538&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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Here is the relatively unknown Ronnie Coleman the same year.
ON his way to becoming the G.O.A.T.
Ronnie was already starting to get noticed in 96 when he really started to improve his phjysique
remember he had the call out with Shawn + dorian @ the 96 O and looked better than Dorian already @ the 96 O
great pics TD!
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Ronnie was already starting to get noticed in 96 when he really started to improve his phjysique
remember he had the call out with Shawn + dorian @ the 96 O and looked better than Dorian already @ the 96 O
great pics TD!
around 95 with metrx contract in tow and then 96 really grew $ was coming in and could afford more.won his 1st show by then.
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Nasser NEVER used oil in his physique ::) vicious lies spread by pumpkin heads
Didn't Nasser admit to using oil in a PBW show a few years ago? He also said 95% of pros use it.
That photo isn't conclusive. Look at how the guy is holding Nasser's left arm. When people hold your arm like that, it pushes the biceps up (similar to how people push their biceps out in a crossed-arm "block" pose to look bigger.) Show me Nasser doing the same movement, with his bicep looking like that and no guy holding his arm.
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OK, so here is one from the side. Just to add to the argument.
Never seen before.
;D
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OK, so here is one from the side. Just to add to the argument.
Never seen before.
;D
where's nasser's number on his thong? that just lost him the pose. not to mention he's standing on the left, the person on the left always looks worse and should lose the pose.
yates D e s t r o y i n g him here, nasser shouldn't even be pro he doesn't even look like he works out.
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yates is killing googly eye nasser in the side chest.
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Nasser easily won the front double biceps pose and if the Olympia was judged on that pose alone then even I would say he should have won in 97
x2
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OK, so here is one from the side. Just to add to the argument.
Never seen before.
;D
TD
how far were you sitting from the stage? looks liek you had great seats
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TD
how far were you sitting from the stage? looks liek you had great seats
Middle of the Press pit for many years, right next to all the pros who taught me heaps
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Nassers early-mid90s seo use was smart, like levrone, flex, cc, dillett, etc
Only when his physique declined did it become obvious (as with flex) due to playing catch-up with more oil, and less muscle
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Ronnie was already starting to get noticed in 96 when he really started to improve his phjysique
remember he had the call out with Shawn + dorian @ the 96 O and looked better than Dorian already @ the 96 O
great pics TD!
QFT.
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHH
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remember he had the call out with Shawn + dorian @ the 96 O and looked better than Dorian already @ the 96 O
Yeah, except he didn't. I was at that show.
He definitely looked good, though. You guys just have no idea what an in condition Yates looked like in person.
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Dorian's back is the only bodypart that is more conditioned than Nasser's in the 97 pics. Genetically some people have less or more detail in certain bodyparts, so you shouldn't look at one bodypart and conclude based on that who is "better conditioned." For example, Nasser's hams are much more conditioned.
LOL no rage here, just find it funny how some people look at a picture and conclude there's "oil" ie SEO. Someone else said in another post in an unrelated thread recenty to the effect that if you knew how many cc's of anabolics top pros take you would realize that there's often the potential for scar tissue buildup or even some swelling from anabolics as opposed to SEO. Some pictures make a stronger arguement but not those 97 shots.
I guess glutes and lower back are seen as the acid test for dehydration and general "conditioning" in the modern era. The fact Nasser has a massive film of water all over his back invariably indicates he is in less good shape than Dorian on that occassion, even if he's just carrying more water. It is just one or two bodyparts you're right, but Dorian carries no visible water or fat anywhere, so wholistically speaking wins the conditioning surely?
I appreciate what you say about scar tissue and even cysts or needle-related weird looking shit on people's bodies, but only one or two years later Nasser was getting marked down for obviously synthol use in his biceps and rear delts, so it doesn't seem too much of a reach?!
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Yeah, except he didn't. I was at that show.
He definitely looked good, though. You guys just have no idea what an in condition Yates looked like in person.
Oh yeah I always forget how Yates had that strange uniqueness where he looked much better than other pros in person but as soon as you try to take a photo of it, it somehow gave Yates the disadvantage making him look worse than other top pros like Nasser.
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Oh yeah I always forget how Yates had that strange uniqueness where he looked much better than other pros in person but as soon as you try to take a photo of it, it somehow gave Yates the disadvantage making him look worse than other top pros like Nasser.
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Nice cop out - you ignored the post I made where I showed a picture that refuted your statement. His overall superior conditioning that you said he didn't have in that contest (not just in the back) shows in the pic as well.
But, I've always stated that those Muscletime photos make a lot of BB looks much worse than they did in person, Nasser included. Those 96 Olympia photo do not show how awesome Yates in person, nor how awesome Nasser looked either. Nasser looked like the winner when they walked out, with Yates a close second. When they turned around though, the difference was not close.
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Nasser had that strange uniqueness where he looked much worse than other pros in person but as soon as you try to take a photo of it, it somehow gave Nasser the advantage making him look better than other top pros like Yates.
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Didn't Nasser admit to using oil in a PBW show a few years ago? He also said 95% of pros use it.
That photo isn't conclusive. Look at how the guy is holding Nasser's left arm. When people hold your arm like that, it pushes the biceps up (similar to how people push their biceps out in a crossed-arm "block" pose to look bigger.) Show me Nasser doing the same movement, with his bicep looking like that and no guy holding his arm.
Actually he said 99% of pro use it but he never did ::) guy is out there
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even after Photoshop dorian still has extremely small upper body and legs
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Oh yeah I always forget how Yates had that strange uniqueness where he looked much better than other pros in person but as soon as you try to take a photo of it, it somehow gave Yates the disadvantage making him look worse than other top pros like Nasser.
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Looks much better directly compared to Nasser and the rest ;D
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there are a few of us that really saw Yates for real and there is truth in the photos dont do him justice thing. the muscletime 95 Yates pics look like shit. i was at that show and it was no contest from the moment they walked out. hear me now and listen to me later.
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Dillet looks all scrunched up from the back, Dorian wins hands down.
Nasser upper back look decent, midway it falls apart...like a half finished piece of artwork.
sidenote, they need to bring those posing trunks back, as the sparkley thongs we have now, are well, sparkley thongs.
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Very good line up
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1Dorian YatesEngland
2Nasser El SonbatyYugoslavia
3Shawn RayUSA
4Kevin LevroneUSA
5Paul DillettCanada
6Lee PriestAustralia
7Jean-Pierre FuxSwitzerland
8Chris CormierUSA
9Ronnie ColemanUSA
10Milos SarcevYugoslavia
11Mike FrancoisUSA
12Charles ClairmonteBarbados
13Mike MatarazzoUSA
WithdrewFlex WheelerUSA
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1Dorian YatesEngland
2Nasser El SonbatyYugoslavia
3Shawn RayUSA
4Kevin LevroneUSA
5Paul DillettCanada
6Lee PriestAustralia
7Jean-Pierre FuxSwitzerland
8Chris CormierUSA
9Ronnie ColemanUSA
10Milos SarcevYugoslavia
11Mike FrancoisUSA
12Charles ClairmonteBarbados
13Mike MatarazzoUSA
WithdrewFlex WheelerUSA
Wow...