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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/31/bill-clinton-bain-capital_n_1561208.html
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he had a great record at bain.
It's being governor that he sucked at.
You've told us for 6 years how shitty mitt is, 33, so you already know that. But, like joran vandersloot, he's not obama, so he's the man in 2012. bravo.
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he had a great record at bain.
So you are backtracking now.
Was Obama wrong in those ads? Was he lying?
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Abo. Seems like bubba is abo too.
he had a great record at bain.
It's being governor that he sucked at.
You've told us for 6 years how shitty mitt is, 33, so you already know that. But, like joran vandersloot, he's not obama, so he's the man in 2012. bravo.
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So you are backtracking now.
Was Obama wrong in those ads? Was he lying?
If you own Bain stock - then hell yes, Romney optimized your investment and made you a lot of money.
If you WORKED at a firm that bain commandeered, raided, and discarded, then Bain sucked for you.
Which point of view are you coming from? Nothing in life is good or bad for everyone. Bain was a good exxample of romney's ability to use company resources to the advantages of his stockholders for financial gain - but not all STAKEholders benefitted. If you worked at a "dog" and not a "cow", then you disliked Romney for taking the Bain profit and closing your ass down.
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Very ignorant for someone w an mba to say that.
If you own Bain stock - then hell yes, Romney optimized your investment and made you a lot of money.
If you WORKED at a firm that bain commandeered, raided, and discarded, then Bain sucked for you.
Which point of view are you coming from? Nothing in life is good or bad for everyone. Bain was a good exxample of romney's ability to use company resources to the advantages of his stockholders for financial gain - but not all STAKEholders benefitted. If you worked at a "dog" and not a "cow", then you disliked Romney for taking the Bain profit and closing your ass down.
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Bill Clinton Praises Romney's 'Sterling Business Career'
10:44 PM, May 31, 2012 • By DANIEL HALPER
In an interview on CNN this evening, former President Bill Clinton completely undermined President Obama's campaign strategy of attacking Mitt Romney and his record as a businessman. Clinton praised Romney's "sterling business career":
"So I don't think that we ought to get in the position where we say this is bad work, this is good work. I think, however, the real issue ought to be what has Governor Romney advocated in the campaign that he will do as president? What has President Obama done and what does he propose to do? How do these things stack up against each other, that's the most relevant thing. There's no question that in terms of getting up and going to the office, and you know, basically performing the essential functions of the office, a man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold."
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If you own Bain stock - then hell yes, Romney optimized your investment and made you a lot of money.
If you WORKED at a firm that bain commandeered, raided, and discarded, then Bain sucked for you.
Which point of view are you coming from? Nothing in life is good or bad for everyone. Bain was a good exxample of romney's ability to use company resources to the advantages of his stockholders for financial gain - but not all STAKEholders benefitted. If you worked at a "dog" and not a "cow", then you disliked Romney for taking the Bain profit and closing your ass down.
Closing your ass down? What company are you referring to? Because the one that was used by Obama in his ads was going to close down ANYWAY. It was Bain's investment that gave it an extra 10 years of operation. An extra 10 years of wages for those people. And of course, you leave out the fact that Romney wasn't even at Bain when that steel company shut down.
What are you doing here if you hate capitalism so much?
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Very ignorant for someone w an mba to say that.
Tell me why :)
bain was great if you owned shared of bain.
bain was sometimes good, sometimes bad, if they took over your company.
sometimes they'd help, sometimes they'd downsize or deem it a dog and close it.
So don't just shit on me - tell me why i'm wrong, champ.
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Tell me why :)
bain was great if you owned shared of bain.
bain was sometimes good, sometimes bad, if they took over your company.
sometimes they'd help, sometimes they'd downsize or deem it a dog and close it.
So don't just shit on me - tell me why i'm wrong, champ.
BECAUSE THEY INVESTED IN ALREADY SINKING SHIPS YOU TOOL BOX!
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If you own Bain stock - then hell yes, Romney optimized your investment and made you a lot of money
Bain's private.
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BECAUSE THEY INVESTED IN ALREADY SINKING SHIPS YOU TOOL BOX!
Did Bain work for free? Or did they take some seriously hefty fees for their 'services'?
I want one of you to go on record and say Bain helped 100% of people at every company they worked with.
of course, you can't say that.
Therefore my point is proven - Bain was great for SOME people. not all.
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Did Bain work for free? Or did they take some seriously hefty fees for their 'services'?
I want one of you to go on record and say Bain helped 100% of people at every company they worked with.
of course, you can't say that.
Therefore my point is proven - Bain was great for SOME people. not all.
fuck off - they had a 80% success rate at saving failing companies!
Are you so insanely and cultishly loyal to obama that you refuse to even understand the most basic things about these issues?
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fuck off - they had a 80% success rate at saving failing companies!
Are you so insanely and cultishly loyal to obama that you refuse to even understand the most basic things about these issues?
So for employees at 20% of companies, Romeny did NOT do a good job.
My only point is that grading his performance only depends on who you are and what you do. If you profited from Bain, you love romney. If he deemed your company a dog, got bain paid, then shut your company doors, maybe he's not so awesome.
Samee way you call Rachel Maddow stupid with her PhDs, and Joe the plumber's 80IQ ass smart. It's all about perspective - what you use to evaluate, who you are, etc. it's all perspective. if you hate guns and love socialism and live in Mass - then hell YES - Romney was an awesome governor!
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So for employees at 20% of companies, Romeny did NOT do a good job.
My only point is that grading his performance only depends on who you are and what you do. If you profited from Bain, you love romney. If he deemed your company a dog, got bain paid, then shut your company doors, maybe he's not so awesome.
Samee way you call Rachel Maddow stupid with her PhDs, and Joe the plumber's 80IQ ass smart. It's all about perspective - what you use to evaluate, who you are, etc. it's all perspective. if you hate guns and love socialism and live in Mass - then hell YES - Romney was an awesome governor!
You are so fucking gone its not even funny.
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CNBC:" React if you would, to what Bill Clinton said about private equity and Governor Romney."
Rep. Steny Hoyer (D-MD): "I think President Clinton is correct, private equity is a very important aspect of growing our economy. Obviously, there's good practices in private equity, there are bad practices. You criticize bad practices, but not the whole enterprise itself."
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Clinton must really admire Romney if he said this. Does this mean 240 is right when he says Hillary and Romney would be virtually the same in office?
:D
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Bill Clinton: Mitt Romney's business record 'sterling'
Politico ^ | 5/31/12 | Bryan Tau
Posted on Friday, June 01, 2012 11:17:25 AM by KansasGirl
President Bill Clinton veered sharply off message Thursday, telling CNN that Mitt Romney's business record at Bain Capital was "sterling."
"I don't think that we ought to get into the position where we say 'This is bad work. This is good work,'" Clinton said. "The man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold."
Clinton also went on to say that Romney's time at Bain Capital represented a "good business career."
The Obama campaign is in the third week of an all-out assault on Romney's time as a corporate buyout specialist — accusing the GOP nominee of bankrupting companies and laying off workers all while pocketing a profit for himself and investors.
But the negative tenor of their attacks on an influential segment of Wall Street have made some Democrats uncomfortable. Clinton is the highest profile Obama surrogate so far to show discomfort with the attacks on Bain, with the former president even praising the company and Romney's record. Newark mayor Cory Booker and Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick also both declined to press the attack against Bain.
(Excerpt) Read more at politico.com ...
LOL. Even Clinton is going to vote for romney.
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You are so fucking gone its not even funny.
Nah, he's busy trying to find Bain's ticker symbol.
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According to Bill Clinton. Doesn't look like attacking Romney's business background is working out too well for Obama.
Romney smiles at Clinton compliment
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CNN's Ashley Killough
(CNN) – Mitt Romney on Friday embraced a comment made by Bill Clinton the previous night, in which the former president praised Romney's private equity career, despite a recent flood of Democratic attacks against the presumptive nominee's corporate resume.
Romney defended his former firm, Bain Capital, on Friday and pointed to its record of successful investments compared to its small minority of buyouts that later went bankrupt.
"I think Bain Capital has a good and solid record," Romney said in a CNBC interview. "I was happy to see President Clinton made a similar statement today and called my record superb."
The former president, however, used the word "sterling" to describe Romney's business career instead when he discussed the candidate in an interview on CNN Thursday.
"The man who has been governor and had a sterling business career crosses the qualification threshold," Clinton said on CNN's "Piers Morgan Tonight."
The comment raised eyebrows among many Democrats, who have been highly critical of Romney's business experience over recent weeks.
"I don't think that we ought to get into the position where we say 'This is bad work. This is good work,'" Clinton continued.
He later added: "I think the real issue ought to be, what has Governor Romney advocated in the campaign that he will do as president? What has President Obama done and what does he propose to do? How do these things stack up against each other?"
While Republicans have since seized on the comments, using them to counter recent Democratic attacks, the White House brushed off Clinton's remarks on Friday. A spokesman told reporters aboard Air Force One that he didn't see any news in the remarks.
And the president's re-election team also glossed over the remarks, focusing instead on one line where Clinton described the tactics some private equity investors use.
"Invest in a company, run up the debt & force people to lose their retirement and fire them," a senior campaign official pointed out in paraphrase.
However, Clinton was making a comparison of two kinds of investors. Those who buy, strip and destroy companies for profit, and others also driven by profit, but with the goal of making the companies better, even though they too can fail with equal consequences.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/01/romney-smiles-at-clinton-compliment/
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hey BB - go tell your liberal "smart" friends who still kneepad to join this forum and debate us on obama's disastrous record.
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hey BB - go tell your liberal "smart" friends who still kneepad to join this forum and debate us on obama's disastrous record.
I just might do that. lol
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there is nothing wrong with taking over a business and then borrowing heavily to recoup your investment and then leaving the company to collapse in on itself from the excessve debt
Romney should be proud of that and remind people how much money he made doing that as much as he possibly can
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I just might do that. lol
I now openly mock and augh at people i know who voted for obama. i literally laugh in their face now at what they have been resigned to in defending obama.
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there is nothing wrong with taking over a business and then borrowing heavily to recoup your investment and then leaving the company to collapse in on itself from the excessve debt
Romney should be proud of that and remind people how much money he made doing that as much as he possibly can
LOL. Bill Clinton and 15 other leading democrats disagree with you.
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I now openly mock and augh at people i know who voted for obama. i literally laugh in their face now at what they have been resigned to in defending obama.
I can't do that, because there are too many of them over here. lol
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LOL. Bill Clinton and 15 other leading democrats disagree with you.
so what
Unlike you I don't rely on politicians or pundits to tell me what to believe
I've told you before that I don't give a shit what any particular politician (on eiher side) believes or doesn't believe.
I'll make up my own mind on each issue myself
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I now openly mock and augh at people i know who voted for obama. i literally laugh in their face now at what they have been resigned to in defending obama.
which is probably one of the reasons why most people who meet you in real life think you're an asshole and I know you're actually proud of that fact so congratulations
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which is probably one of the reasons why most people who meet you in real life think you're an asshole and I know you're actually proud of that fact so congratulations
I don't care - most of the leftist idiots i know really didnt want to talk to me after 2008 when i told them voting for obama would be the biggest mistake of their lives, but now its just fun to remind them how right i was and how utterly wrong and incompetent they were and are.
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Nah, he's busy trying to find Bain's ticker symbol.
lol :)
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I don't care - most of the leftist idiots i know really didnt want to talk to me after 2008 when i told them voting for obama would be the biggest mistake of their lives, but now its just fun to remind them how right i was and how utterly wrong and incompetent they were and are.
again congratulations
I'm sure people love knowing that a blathering mental patient is unhappy with the choices they've made
I'm sure your disdain is a great motivation for them to want to see your point of view
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again congratulations
I'm sure people love knowing that a blathering mental patient is unhappy with the choices they've made
I'm sure your disdain is a great motivation for them to want to see your point of view
Most leftists are incapable of seeing reality so it doesnt matter.
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Most leftists are incapable of seeing reality so it doesnt matter.
no one "sees" reality as good as you
you're the one that knew right away that Breitbart was murdered
you're the one that knows that Obama will be forced off the ballot by the Dems
You can't expect just anyone to see things like that
Mabye you should cut the rest of us little slack for not seeing reality as clearly as you do
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since were printing what clinton says he also said November's general election, while close, would ultimately tilt for the Democratic incumbent.
"I still think the president will win by five or six points. I've always thought so," Clinton said, noting current economic conditions were driving down support for Obama in current polls.
"Still people feel uncertain," he said. "You know, when you've got a lot of people getting up in the morning, looking in the mirror, starting the day thinking 'They have failed,' that's a problem. And I think those of us who support the president have to get out there and explain what he did in rescuing the automobile industry, what he did in raising the mileage standards and the way they created 150,000 jobs."
If Obama's supporters can get that message out, Clinton said, "I think he will be just fine. And I think he will be re-elected." ;D
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The more I hear Bill Clinton's criticism of some of Obamas policies, him talking about Hilary's desire to get out of politics within the next year to rest, be closer to family and now this praise of Romney's performance at Bain, I am becoming more and more convince Clinton just does not care much for Barack Obama.
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The more I hear Bill Clinton's criticism of some of Obamas policies, him talking about Hilary's desire to get out of politics within the next year to rest, be closer to family and now this praise of Romney's performance at Bain, I am becoming more and more convince Clinton just does not care much for Barack Obama.
Clinton hates obama and called him a "fairy tale", "a coffee boy", "an amatuer" etc
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US Already in 'Recession,' Extend Tax Cuts: Bill Clinton
Published: Tuesday, 5 Jun 2012 | 9:53 PM ET Text Size By: Jeff Cox
CNBC.com Senior Writer
Former President Bill Clinton told CNBC Tuesday that the US economy already is in a recession and urged Congress to extend all the tax cuts due to expire at the end of the year.
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In a taped interview aired on "Closing Bell," the still-popular 42nd president called the current economic conditions a "recession" and said overzealous Republican plans to cut the deficit threaten to plunge the country further into the debt abyss. Clinton's office released a statement after the interview.
"What I think we need to do is find some way to avoid the fiscal cliff, to avoid doing anything that would contract the economy now, and then deal with what's necessary in the long term debt-reduction plans as soon as they can, which presumably would be after the election," Clinton said.
"They will probably have to put everything off until early next year," he added. "That's probably the best thing to do right now. But the Republicans don't want to do that unless he agrees to extend the tax cuts permanently, including for upper income people, and I don't think the president should do that."
However, Clinton did say that Congress would be best off agreeing, at least for the time being, to extend all the tax cuts that are set to expire at the end of the year, including the so-called Bush tax cuts named after Clinton's successor, George W. Bush.
Those across-the-board cuts have been criticized by Democrats who say they were skewed toward upper-income earners.
To counter the cuts, President Obama proposed the Buffett Rule — which was ultimately defeated — that would have imposed a surtax on millionaires.
On tax questions in general, Clinton said it's reasonable to expect top earners to pay more and he defended the current tax structure, which he said wouldn't look so bad if the economy was doing better.
"They're still pretty low, the government spending levels. But I think they look high because there's a recession," he said. "So the taxes look lower than they really would be if we had two and half or 3 percent growth and spending is higher than it would be if we had two and a half or 3 percent growth, because there are so many people getting food stamps, so many people getting unemployment, so many people on Medicaid."
In the midst of a heated re-election campaign, Obama has faced a barrage of bad news lately, from anemic job growth and an increase in the unemployment rate to weak factory and housing activity. First-quarter gross domestic growth registered a meager 1.9 percent.
Like the current Oval Office resident, Clinton blamed much of the economic damage on the sovereign debt crisis — "this European thing that's having a bigger impact than people know" — as well as politics, saying, "The thing that cost jobs here has been the Congress's policies."
Politically, Clinton has found himself in a ticklish spot lately as reports have re-emerged about his sometimes ambivalent stance toward Obama. He recently praised Republican challenger Mitt Romney's record in private equity at Bain Capital, another remark that amplified the notion that the two don't always see eye-to-eye.
Clinton said Obama is "on stronger ground" when he challenges Romney's record as governor of Massachusetts, not as a businessman at Bain.
"There's a company not doing well, that's failing, and you buy it and have to impose some economies there and cutbacks because you're trying to turn it around so it can thrive in the economy. Whether you succeed or fail, that's a good thing to do," he said. "If you go in and buy a company and intentionally load it up with debt, loot its assets and the people lose their jobs and retirements...that's a bad thing."
"So to make a judgment on that, you have to know a lot of facts about every case," Clinton added. "I just think we'd all be a lot better off if we talk about we have two people running for the president. What would they do?"
Clinton had an average approval rating of 55 percent during his two terms, compared to 49 percent for Obama, who currently is at 46 percent, according to Gallup. Clinton made no predictions about the election but he said it will be important for Obama to draw clear lines in order to win.
"The most important thing in this election is what will President Obama do and what will Gov. Romney do with the economy and how will they deal with people who disagree with them," Clinton said. "Will they be divide and conquer, or would they be, 'let's bring everyone together'?"
© 2012 CNBC.com
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I don't care - most of the leftist idiots i know really didnt want to talk to me after 2008 when i told them voting for obama would be the biggest mistake of their lives, but now its just fun to remind them how right i was and how utterly wrong and incompetent they were and are.
Really?
So you want OBL alive?
You want a fucked up economy?
You want more dead soldiers?
Just to be "right"?
FUCK you prick
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Krauthammer: Let’s face it, Bill Clinton’s a double agent for the GOP
Hotair ^ | 06/06/2012 | AllahPundit
Posted on June 6, 2012 9:25:56 PM EDT by SeekAndFind
Via the Daily Caller, is he right? Before you say no, be advised that it sounds like Team Hopenchange is also starting to wonder:
A day earlier, Bill Clinton suggested that Congress should temporarily extend the tax cuts, but later in the evening a spokesman for the former president walked back his comments.
Mr. Clinton “doesn’t believe the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans should be extended again,” a spokesman said. Mr. Clinton’s comments on tax policy, in an interview on CNBC, left the Obama re-election campaign “upset,” and the campaign quickly asked Mr. Clinton to “correct” his remarks, a person familiar with events said.
How many times has he kneecapped The One in the past week? First he said that Romney had a "sterling" business record and was qualified to be president --- watch Krauthammer for more on that --- then he politely noted at a fundraiser with O that he's the only president in recent times to balance the budget, then he came out yesterday and endorsed a temporary extension of the Bush tax cuts. I thought that would end up helping O long-term but his campaign evidently doesn’t agree. And then there’s this. Show of hands: How many people think Bill Clinton, the consummate political animal, had no idea that praising Romney for his business career might prove unhelpful to Obama’s messaging?
I didn’t have any idea, when I was giving that answer, that I was wading into some controversy in the campaign, because I haven’t seen the ads, and I’m not following it, and I’m not really part of it. But you’d have to know about a specific [private equity] case to know whether it was a good or a bad thing. But there are a lot of good people in that business doing good things. That’s the point I was making.
There’s no one in American political life who’s more fun to write about than Clinton for the simple reason that it’s impossible to give him the benefit of the doubt on anything. He’s famously highly intelligent, famously devious, and, per his mastery of “triangulation,” famously willing to cross other Democrats to protect his own interests. When in doubt, you always, always assume he’s working an angle. What’s his angle here? Is it as simple as protecting his own legacy as the only Democrat in modern times to be reelected? Or, as I think many righties believe, are we seeing “Operation: Elect Hillary” in effect? If the latter, how would an Obama loss advance Hillary’s chances in 2016? Granted, it’s unusual for Americans to grant one party 12 years in the White House, but if Romney wins in November and the economy comes roaring back, it’ll be next to impossible to defeat him as an incumbent in four years. What’s Slick’s game? Remember, no theory is too nefarious.
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if you as a shareholder of Bain - you love romney.
if you live in mass - you love him because he delivered liberal policies the liberals up there loved.
simple enough. repubs HATED him on a 3 to 1 basis... but he outspent everyone and won ;)
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if you as a shareholder of Bain - you love romney.
if you live in mass - you love him because he delivered liberal policies the liberals up there loved.
simple enough. repubs HATED him on a 3 to 1 basis... but he outspent everyone and won ;)
Well that free market capitalism for you ;)