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Romney or Obama?
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Romney or Obama?
If things keep going the way they are - Obama wont be on the ballot in November.
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Oromney.
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Too close to call at this point, but if I were a betting man, I'd say Romney. But a lot can change between now and November.
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Too close to call at this point, but if I were a betting man, I'd say Romney. But a lot can change between now and November.
i think its it will be close too, but is OB gets a decent job report in October and lower gas prices its OB for sure.
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Too close to call at this point, but if I were a betting man, I'd say Romney. But a lot can change between now and November.
It won't even be close. Romney is going to win by 5-8 points at this rate.
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i think its it will be close too, but is OB gets a decent job report in October and lower gas prices its OB for sure.
Not going to happen. The cake is baked. The economy is cratering again and we are heading for a few months of possible losses.
Stock market collapsing, mafg collapsing, europe collapsing, obamacare going down, walker likely winning.
Obama is going to get landslided like 1980 and it wont even be close.
People living in Cali and NY are clueless and don't see what is occuring. Bam bam is going to lose NC, VA, FL, OH, Colorado, NV, possibly Wis and PA, etc.
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Obama. :'(
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i think its it will be close too, but is OB gets a decent job report in October and lower gas prices its OB for sure.
Well gas will be lower, but that won't have anything to do with him. The overall state of the economy is going to really hurt him, especially the unemployment rate. I have a thread somewhere that says no president has been reelected when the UE rate has been higher than 7.2 (or something like that).
Romney has been doing a good job of making this election about the economy. If he does that, Obama is going to have trouble pulling this out, because his performance on the economy has been awful.
There are other issues and reasons why Obama should lose, but the economy is the big one.
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It won't even be close. Romney is going to win by 5-8 points at this rate.
Five points is close.
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Well gas will be lower, but that won't have anything to do with him. The overall state of the economy is going to really hurt him, especially the unemployment rate. I have a thread somewhere that says no president has been reelected when the UE rate has been higher than 7.2 (or something like that).
Romney has been doing a good job of making this election about the economy. If he does that, Obama is going to have trouble pulling this out, because his performance on the economy has been awful.
There are other issues and reasons why Obama should lose, but the economy is the big one.
Just remember who called the mid terms a year in advance to a tee. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Same is going to happen and the obama dildoes and liberal left are going to see their entire idealogy and movement collapsed.
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Well gas will be lower, but that won't have anything to do with him. The overall state of the economy is going to really hurt him, especially the unemployment rate. I have a thread somewhere that says no president has been reelected when the UE rate has been higher than 7.2 (or something like that).
Romney has been doing a good job of making this election about the economy. If he does that, Obama is going to have trouble pulling this out, because his performance on the economy has been awful.
There are other issues and reasons why Obama should lose, but the economy is the big one.
this record is great ::) ::) ::) ::)
1. Ranked 47th in job growth: Despite Romney’s professed expertise in creating jobs, Massachusetts ranked 47th in job growth during his time as governor. The state’s total job growth was just 0.9 percent, well behind other high-wage, high-skill economies in New York (2.7), California (4.7), and North Carolina (7.6). The national average, meanwhile, was better than 5 percent.
2. Suffered the second-largest labor force decline in the nation: Only Louisiana, which was ravaged by Hurricane Katrina in 2005, saw a bigger decline in its labor force than Massachusetts during Romney’s tenure as governor. The US Census Bureau estimated that between July 2002 and July 2006, 222,000 more residents left Massachusetts for other states than came to it. That decline largely explains the state’s decreasing unemployment rate (from 5.6 to 4.7 percent) while Romney was in office, according to Northeastern University economics professor Andrew Sum. At the same time, the nation as a whole added 8 million people to the labor force.
3. Lost 14 percent of its manufacturing jobs: Massachusetts lost 14 percent of its manufacturing jobs during Romney’s time in office, according to Sum. The loss was double the rate that the nation as a whole lost manufacturing jobs. In 2004, Romney vetoed legislation that would have banned companies doing business with the state from outsourcing jobs to other countries.
4. Experienced “below average” economic growth and was “often near the bottom”: “There was not one measure where the state did well under his term in office. We were below average and often near the bottom,” Sum told the Washington Post in February. As a result, the state was more comparable to Rust Belt states like Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio than it was to other high-tech economies it typically competes with.
5. Piled on more debt than any other state: Romney left Massachusetts residents with $10,504 in per capita bond debt, the highest of any state in the nation when he left office in 2007. The state ranked second in debt as a percentage of personal income. Romney regularly omits those statistics from his Massachusetts record, instead touting the fact that he balanced the state’s budget (he was constitutionally required to do so). He wouldn’t be much different as president: his proposed tax plan adds more than $10 trillion to the national debt.
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Just remember who called the mid terms a year in advance to a tee. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Same is going to happen and the obama dildoes and liberal left are going to see their entire idealogy and movement collapsed.
I think he will probably lose, but I can't see a blowout. Still too many people drinking the Kool-Aide. Too many party loyalists.
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this record is great ::) ::) ::) ::)
1. Ranked 47th in job growth: Despite Romney’s professed expertise in creating jobs, Massachusetts ranked 47th in job growth during his time as governor. The state’s total job growth was just 0.9 percent, well behind other high-wage, high-skill economies in New York (2.7), California (4.7), and North Carolina (7.6). The national average, meanwhile, was better than 5 percent.
2. Suffered the second-largest labor force decline in the nation: Only Louisiana, which was ravaged by Hurricane Katrina in 2005, saw a bigger decline in its labor force than Massachusetts during Romney’s tenure as governor. The US Census Bureau estimated that between July 2002 and July 2006, 222,000 more residents left Massachusetts for other states than came to it. That decline largely explains the state’s decreasing unemployment rate (from 5.6 to 4.7 percent) while Romney was in office, according to Northeastern University economics professor Andrew Sum. At the same time, the nation as a whole added 8 million people to the labor force.
3. Lost 14 percent of its manufacturing jobs: Massachusetts lost 14 percent of its manufacturing jobs during Romney’s time in office, according to Sum. The loss was double the rate that the nation as a whole lost manufacturing jobs. In 2004, Romney vetoed legislation that would have banned companies doing business with the state from outsourcing jobs to other countries.
4. Experienced “below average” economic growth and was “often near the bottom”: “There was not one measure where the state did well under his term in office. We were below average and often near the bottom,” Sum told the Washington Post in February. As a result, the state was more comparable to Rust Belt states like Illinois, Michigan, and Ohio than it was to other high-tech economies it typically competes with.
5. Piled on more debt than any other state: Romney left Massachusetts residents with $10,504 in per capita bond debt, the highest of any state in the nation when he left office in 2007. The state ranked second in debt as a percentage of personal income. Romney regularly omits those statistics from his Massachusetts record, instead touting the fact that he balanced the state’s budget (he was constitutionally required to do so). He wouldn’t be much different as president: his proposed tax plan adds more than $10 trillion to the national debt.
Do you ever think for yourself?
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Obama. :'(
I think the same - but only because I expect the worst but hope for the best.
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I think he will probably lose, but I can't see a blowout. Still too many people drinking the Kool-Aide. Too many party loyalists.
Remember - most leftists are lazy slugs. Unless they are promised free stuff, they dont show up.
Obama is going to get landslided for three reasons - low turnout by dems, indes, and increased GOP turnout.
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Do you ever think for yourself?
whats that have to do with the post, hey but nice try
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If things keep going the way they are - Obama wont be on the ballot in November.
you really believe this don't you?
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you really believe this don't you?
Yes - no way the party will allow itself two wipeouts in a row just to placate obama like they did in 2010.
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Remember - most leftists are lazy slugs. Unless they are promised free stuff, they dont show up.
Obama is going to get landslided for three reasons - low turnout by dems, indes, and increased GOP turnout.
I don't agree about most liberals. I know lots of them who are not lazy slugs. I do agree the base will not be energized like it was in 2008. They can't run against Bush, or the war, and The Messiah has lost some of his magic.
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whats that have to do with the post, hey but nice try
It has to do with you asking me to respond to something you probably grabbed off someplace like the Daily Kos. Didn't even read it.
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Yes - no way the party will allow itself two wipeouts in a row just to placate obama like they did in 2010.
ok genius - somehow the party decides they are going to throw the incumbant POTUS off the ticket. How exactly do they do that at this point in game, who replaces him, how do they sell it to party and the Democratic supporters/public, how does this put them in a stronger position and who atually spearheads this change
You really don't seem to understand that you are INSANE and the rest of world does not "see" the sames things that you do
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It has to do with you asking me to respond to something you probably grabbed off someplace like the Daily Kos. Didn't even read it.
just respond and stop making excuses, ::)
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ok genius - somehow the party decides they are going to throw the incumbant POTUS off the ticket. How exactly do they do that at this point in game, who replaces him, how do they sell it to party and the Democratic supporters/public, how does this put them in a stronger position and who atually spearheads this change
You really don't seem to understand that you are INSANE and the rest of world does not "see" the sames things that you do
Remember LBJ?
Hillary is waiting in the wings to rescue the dem party from a total and catastrophic collapse that is coming, and she and Bill, along w booker, rendell, and many other dems see looming the way obama is going.
But take comfort in your little leftist bubble, will make it all the more amusing to watch as this meltdown unfolds.
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Remember LBJ?
Hillary is waiting in the wings to rescue the dem party from a total and catastrophic collapse that is coming, and she and Bill, along w booker, rendell, and many other dems see looming the way obama is going.
But take comfort in your little leftist bubble, will make it all the more amusing to watch as this meltdown unfolds.
you're free to believe whatever you'd like and I'll be glad to mock you for it
I guess from your post you think this will happen at the convention
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you're free to believe whatever you'd like and I'll be glad to mock you for it
I guess from your post you think this will happen at the convention
Mock me all you like, but on election day - i will be th one doing the mocking.
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Mock me all you like, but on election day - i will be th one doing the mocking.
time will tell
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/04/cnn-electoral-map-seven-states-up-in-the-air-in-fight-for-white-house/?hpt=hp_c1 (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/04/cnn-electoral-map-seven-states-up-in-the-air-in-fight-for-white-house/?hpt=hp_c1)
CNN Electoral Map: Seven states up in the air in fight for White House
politicalmugshot
Posted by
CNN Political Unit
Washington (CNN) - With just over five months to go until the November election, a new CNN Electoral Map indicates a tight battle between President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney for the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House.
According to the CNN map unveiled Monday, the president leads Romney in 19 states and the District of Columbia, which if he carried those in the general election would give him 247 electoral votes. Romney, the unofficial GOP presidential nominee pending the party's convention, leads in 24 states, which would give him 206 electoral votes.
– Follow the Ticker on Twitter: @PoliticalTicker
The map currently indicates that seven states are true toss-ups. Those states are Colorado (9 electoral votes), Florida (29), Iowa (6), Nevada (6), New Hampshire (4), Ohio (18) and Virginia (13). Eighty-five electoral votes are up for grabs in those seven states.
Four states currently lean towards Obama: Michigan (16), New Mexico (5), Pennsylvania (20) and Wisconsin (10). Four states currently lean towards Romney: Arizona (11), Indiana (11), Missouri (10), and North Carolina (15).
"Elections generally break one way late, meaning if you head into the final weeks with six toss-ups, four or five - and sometimes all - break with the winner. And so that could well happen this time. But if you look at the map today, this looks a lot more like Bush vs. Gore than it does Obama vs. McCain," says CNN Chief National Correspondent John King, anchor of "John King, USA."
"It's no surprise that Florida and Ohio are toss-ups and potential 'deciders' - they traditionally play that role in presidential politics. What is fascinating is the number of plausible scenarios under which one or two of the 'smaller' battlegrounds could prove decisive," King added. "Iowa and New Hampshire, for example - what a delicious storyline if it all ends in the states where it began. Colorado and Virginia are relative newcomers to the 'swing state' role, and now critical to what amounts to a multi-dimensional chess game."
Overall, 15 states right now are either toss-ups or lean towards either the president or Romney.
"The 2012 presidential election likely will be decided by these 15 key states, worth a total of 183 electoral votes," CNN Political Research Director Robert Yoon says. "Determining what qualifies as a battleground state is not an exact science, but it's a rough mix of several criteria, including polling, past election results, the state's political, demographic, and economic trends; whether the campaigns and parties will devote resources to the state, such as ad spending, candidate visits, field offices, and staff, and the presence of other high-profile races on the ballot. CNN's Electoral Map will take into account all these factors, as well as its own reporting and analysis."
There are factors that aren't as clear as what the map shows, King said.
"President Obama starts with a mathematical edge and the psychological advantage of knowing he won each of the tossups last time. A different year, yes, but in most places he has veteran teams who know the states and so also know where there are weaknesses and erosion when compared to 2008. Governor Romney has less room for error - he has to win Ohio and most likely needs to win Florida, too."
What else to look for? Efforts by both campaigns to change the map, King said.
"Can, for example, Team Romney wrestle Wisconsin and/or Pennsylvania out of the 'Lean Obama' and into competitive toss-up territory? Doing so would not only give them more options on a path to 270, but also force the Dreadyemocrats to adjust travel and ad strategies some.
"And ditto for Arizona when it comes to Team Obama - if they can accelerate the progress they are making there, it could give them a potential backup state to offset a loss or losses elsewhere," King continued. "An Arizona-New Mexico-Colorado-Nevada bundle in the West, for example, would allow President Obama to survive struggles in Florida and/or Ohio. More of the chess match."
Both the Obama and Romney campaigns are spending big bucks to put up TV commercials in many of these states, with independent groups also pouring in money to run ads. Both the president and Romney have made campaign stops in many of these states, and both camps are increasing their troops there, as well.
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/04/cnn-electoral-map-seven-states-up-in-the-air-in-fight-for-white-house/?hpt=hp_c1 (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/04/cnn-electoral-map-seven-states-up-in-the-air-in-fight-for-white-house/?hpt=hp_c1)
CNN Electoral Map: Seven states up in the air in fight for White House
politicalmugshot
Posted by
CNN Political Unit
Washington (CNN) - With just over five months to go until the November election, a new CNN Electoral Map indicates a tight battle between President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney for the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House.
According to the CNN map unveiled Monday, the president leads Romney in 19 states and the District of Columbia, which if he carried those in the general election would give him 247 electoral votes. Romney, the unofficial GOP presidential nominee pending the party's convention, leads in 24 states, which would give him 206 electoral votes.
– Follow the Ticker on Twitter: @PoliticalTicker
The map currently indicates that seven states are true toss-ups. Those states are Colorado (9 electoral votes), Florida (29), Iowa (6), Nevada (6), New Hampshire (4), Ohio (18) and Virginia (13). Eighty-five electoral votes are up for grabs in those seven states.
Four states currently lean towards Obama: Michigan (16), New Mexico (5), Pennsylvania (20) and Wisconsin (10). Four states currently lean towards Romney: Arizona (11), Indiana (11), Missouri (10), and North Carolina (15).
"Elections generally break one way late, meaning if you head into the final weeks with six toss-ups, four or five - and sometimes all - break with the winner. And so that could well happen this time. But if you look at the map today, this looks a lot more like Bush vs. Gore than it does Obama vs. McCain," says CNN Chief National Correspondent John King, anchor of "John King, USA."
"It's no surprise that Florida and Ohio are toss-ups and potential 'deciders' - they traditionally play that role in presidential politics. What is fascinating is the number of plausible scenarios under which one or two of the 'smaller' battlegrounds could prove decisive," King added. "Iowa and New Hampshire, for example - what a delicious storyline if it all ends in the states where it began. Colorado and Virginia are relative newcomers to the 'swing state' role, and now critical to what amounts to a multi-dimensional chess game."
Overall, 15 states right now are either toss-ups or lean towards either the president or Romney.
"The 2012 presidential election likely will be decided by these 15 key states, worth a total of 183 electoral votes," CNN Political Research Director Robert Yoon says. "Determining what qualifies as a battleground state is not an exact science, but it's a rough mix of several criteria, including polling, past election results, the state's political, demographic, and economic trends; whether the campaigns and parties will devote resources to the state, such as ad spending, candidate visits, field offices, and staff, and the presence of other high-profile races on the ballot. CNN's Electoral Map will take into account all these factors, as well as its own reporting and analysis."
There are factors that aren't as clear as what the map shows, King said.
"President Obama starts with a mathematical edge and the psychological advantage of knowing he won each of the tossups last time. A different year, yes, but in most places he has veteran teams who know the states and so also know where there are weaknesses and erosion when compared to 2008. Governor Romney has less room for error - he has to win Ohio and most likely needs to win Florida, too."
What else to look for? Efforts by both campaigns to change the map, King said.
"Can, for example, Team Romney wrestle Wisconsin and/or Pennsylvania out of the 'Lean Obama' and into competitive toss-up territory? Doing so would not only give them more options on a path to 270, but also force the Dreadyemocrats to adjust travel and ad strategies some.
"And ditto for Arizona when it comes to Team Obama - if they can accelerate the progress they are making there, it could give them a potential backup state to offset a loss or losses elsewhere," King continued. "An Arizona-New Mexico-Colorado-Nevada bundle in the West, for example, would allow President Obama to survive struggles in Florida and/or Ohio. More of the chess match."
Both the Obama and Romney campaigns are spending big bucks to put up TV commercials in many of these states, with independent groups also pouring in money to run ads. Both the president and Romney have made campaign stops in many of these states, and both camps are increasing their troops there, as well.
This tends to show it will be pretty close.
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people already know all the negative shit about obama.
they haven't had a chance to look at romney yet.
When they do, he'll start to peel off supporters. He'll have to say "Yes, I"m closing planned parenthood while implementing the paul ryan plan, cause I think you seniors get too much healthcare, and those making $1mil a year really need another tax cut".
When he does this, let's just say his numbers won't go UP.
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Remember LBJ?
Hillary is waiting in the wings to rescue the dem party from a total and catastrophic collapse that is coming, and she and Bill, along w booker, rendell, and many other dems see looming the way obama is going.
But take comfort in your little leftist bubble, will make it all the more amusing to watch as this meltdown unfolds.
just for kicks, - what about LBJ do you "see" that resembles the position that Obama is in right now (and I assume you're aware that Obama already has the delegates for the nomination)
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people already know all the negative shit about obama.
they haven't had a chance to look at romney yet.
When they do, he'll start to peel off supporters. He'll have to say "Yes, I"m closing planned parenthood while implementing the paul ryan plan, cause I think you seniors get too much healthcare, and those making $1mil a year really need another tax cut".
When he does this, let's just say his numbers won't go UP.
Do you really think you should be posting in this thread given your track record on predictions? Let's not forget how spectacularly wrong you were in 2010. :)
Your opinion is fucking worthless. You think anyone's going to care about that if the economy falls off a cliff like it looks like it's going to? By the way, CNN acknowledged that Romney's popularity has increased nearly 18% in the last month while Obama's has fallen almost as much.
You can cry and change the subject in every thread you want but the odds are not in your God-King's favor right now.
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Do you really think you should be posting in this thread given your track record on predictions? Let's not forget how spectacularly wrong you were in 2010. :)
Your opinion is fucking worthless. You think anyone's going to care about that if the economy falls off a cliff like it looks like it's going to? By the way, CNN acknowledged that Romney's popularity has increased nearly 18% in the last month while Obama's has fallen almost as much.
You can cry and change the subject in every thread you want but the odds are not in your God-King's favor right now.
I got 2010 wrong, but I sure as shit saw thru the bullshit with the GOP candidates. People here are still claiming cain never lied to them.
I dont know politics all of the time, but I can always smell a bullshitter.
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I got 2010 wrong, but I sure as shit saw thru the bullshit with the GOP candidates. People here are still claiming cain never lied to them.
I dont know politics all of the time, but I can always smell a bullshitter.
You didn't see through anything. Among other things, you called that Dems would hold the house and that Scott would finish 3rd. You failed miserably. Now you're bragging about being 100% accurate in retrospect. ::)
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You didn't see through anything. Among other things, you called that Dems would hold the house and that Scott would finish 3rd. You failed miserably. Now you're bragging about being 100% accurate in retrospect. ::)
i already admitted i was wrong about 2010.
and i was very right about cain being full of shit. and very right about zimmerman.
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i already admitted i was wrong about 2010.
and i was very right about cain being full of shit. and very right about zimmerman.
He hasnt even had his trial yet. You havent been validified for shit with Zimmerman.
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i already admitted i was wrong about 2010.
and i was very right about cain being full of shit. and very right about zimmerman.
ig FNG deal.
what does Zimm have to do w elections?
remember Charlie Crist ad csryln Kennedy fiasco?
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He hasnt even had his trial yet. You havent been validified for shit with Zimmerman.
i knew he was a liar from sentence 1 of that 911 call.
he proved it by speaking in code about the 135k$ then immediately walking to the stand and claiming to be penniless.
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If the election were held today Romney would win 32 states. It could get up to 40 by November.
Looks like the morons at intrade are finally starting to wise up.