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Title: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: blacken700 on June 09, 2012, 06:22:46 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

they are close
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2012, 06:40:48 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

they are close


LOL.  "Private sector doing fine" 


Obama's pollings for incumbent at mid forties is a disaster. 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 09, 2012, 06:43:23 AM
Romney was going to peak after securing the nomination.

Now, he begins to peel away layers of voters.  He can really only lose them at this point, ,for the most part.

those extreme positions he had to take very late into campaigning season are hurting him.

We knew this would happen.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: tonymctones on June 09, 2012, 06:55:36 AM
Romney was going to peak after securing the nomination.

Now, he begins to peel away layers of voters.  He can really only lose them at this point, ,for the most part.

those extreme positions he had to take very late into campaigning season are hurting him.

We knew this would happen.
well then I guess all he has to do is lose them slower then the person who thinks:

1. millions dropping out of the labor market, millions unemployed and underemployed = "Private sector doing fine"

2. the answer to boosting the economy is more govt spending on govt workers...

LMFAO

what a troll you have become
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 09, 2012, 06:58:06 AM
these are all reasons why obama sucks.

youre all ignoring what always happens.  Someone is introduced and they poll high.  A few weeks later, they drop.

Remember wes clark, herman cain, and fred thompson once led their primaries?  lmao... it always happens when a dude is introduced.

Mitt is a Tier-2 candidate - 333386 admits it.  Mitt is going to trail obama most of the campaign and probably lose too.  This is just following precedent.  Dole, mccain.... and now romney... lame candidates all day long.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2012, 06:58:15 AM
Romney was going to peak after securing the nomination.

Now, he begins to peel away layers of voters.  He can really only lose them at this point, ,for the most part.

those extreme positions he had to take very late into campaigning season are hurting him.

We knew this would happen.


HA Ha ha - you are so fucking clueless.   Its been so amusing to watch you descend into total madness this past year.  

Just like Walker in wisconsin, its not even going to be close.     180 - i know being a far left obama tampon you can't see reality - but obama is despised and he now has a narrative of being an illiterate joke.  He wont get the turnout like he did in 2008, and the GOP base is froathing at the mouth for this election.  


Obama 2008 - Hope and Change
Obama 2012 - Blame and Complain  
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2012, 06:59:45 AM
these are all reasons why obama sucks.

youre all ignoring what always happens.  Someone is introduced and they poll high.  A few weeks later, they drop.

Remember wes clark, herman cain, and fred thompson once led their primaries?  lmao... it always happens when a dude is introduced.

Mitt is a Tier-2 candidate - 333386 admits it.  Mitt is going to trail obama most of the campaign and probably lose too.  This is just following precedent.  Dole, mccain.... and now romney... lame candidates all day long.


LOL - the one thing you are forgetting obama cum sock is that obama is now a tier 0 candidate and a failed president like Carter. 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: tonymctones on June 09, 2012, 07:06:34 AM
these are all reasons why obama sucks.

youre all ignoring what always happens.  Someone is introduced and they poll high.  A few weeks later, they drop.

Remember wes clark, herman cain, and fred thompson once led their primaries?  lmao... it always happens when a dude is introduced.

Mitt is a Tier-2 candidate - 333386 admits it.  Mitt is going to trail obama most of the campaign and probably lose too.  This is just following precedent.  Dole, mccain.... and now romney... lame candidates all day long.
LOL what you fail to take into account with you myopic obama cock love is that his is being polled in relation to OBAMA!!!

an obama hit means a romney gain(even if he doesnt gain voters)

all he has to do is lose them slower than obama...

I think even you can understand that concept
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 09, 2012, 07:22:06 AM
i guess we'll see if i'm right or not.  it's essentially a tie now in national polls.  Intrade still give obama an 11 point lead to win the election.  $$$$

over the next few weeks, then months... will Romney go up or down?

I guess we'll see who is right.  Maybe mitt is that ONE candidate who gets introduced nationally and doesn't gradually drop.  He's the one, huh?  ;)
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: tonymctones on June 09, 2012, 08:20:35 AM
i guess we'll see if i'm right or not.  it's essentially a tie now in national polls.  Intrade still give obama an 11 point lead to win the election.  $$$$

over the next few weeks, then months... will Romney go up or down?

I guess we'll see who is right.  Maybe mitt is that ONE candidate who gets introduced nationally and doesn't gradually drop.  He's the one, huh?  ;)
re-read moron, who said he wont drop?

what im saying is he is competing against a moron who thinks the private sector is doing fine and the answer to a better economy is more govt workers...

who do you think is going to drop faster?

huh ;)?
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2012, 08:23:05 AM
re-read moron, who said he wont drop?

what im saying is he is competing against a moron who thinks the private sector is doing fine and the answer to a better economy is more govt workers...

who do you think is going to drop faster?

huh ;)?


Barack Kardashian will be lucky to make it to the end of the year the way he is going.   Yesterday, amazingly, he exceeded all previous levels of economic illiteracy he has displayed over the past 3 years. 

 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 09, 2012, 09:04:26 AM
re-read moron, who said he wont drop?
what im saying is he is competing against a moron who thinks the private sector is doing fine and the answer to a better economy is more govt workers...
who do you think is going to drop faster
huh ;)?


obama sucks, sure.  But romney is at the peak of his newbie honeymoon . ANd it's still tied.

obama lead us into war and depression.  and mitt's at his newbie peak.  and it's still tied.

not a good sign.  no matter how bad obama is, you cant run from the FACT that mitt is woefully underperforming.  Shouldn't be a surprise - he underperformed against a weak GOP field, needing to outspend santorum 6 to 1 to barely win his home state of michigan lol.  This shouldn't be a  surprise to anyone that he's underperforming against obama now.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Irongrip400 on June 09, 2012, 09:13:47 AM
We'll see come election time what this country is made of. Pussy ass left wing Obama lovers, or whatever else is on the menu. I personally, political views aside, think its time to try something new and see if it works. MY quality of life is not what it should be, so I'm for whatever helps me and my kind, the upper middle class. I do not believe in sharing my wealth.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: tonymctones on June 09, 2012, 09:51:14 AM

obama sucks, sure.  But romney is at the peak of his newbie honeymoon . ANd it's still tied.

obama lead us into war and depression.  and mitt's at his newbie peak.  and it's still tied.

not a good sign.  no matter how bad obama is, you cant run from the FACT that mitt is woefully underperforming.  Shouldn't be a surprise - he underperformed against a weak GOP field, needing to outspend santorum 6 to 1 to barely win his home state of michigan lol.  This shouldn't be a  surprise to anyone that he's underperforming against obama now.
LOL "Spin, spin, spin..."

"the private sector is doing fine" what we need is more govt workers, right 240?
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2012, 11:12:48 AM
Saturday, June 09



General Election: Romney vs. Obama

Gallup Tracking

Obama 46, Romney 45

Obama +1



General Election: Romney vs. Obama

Rasmussen Tracking

Obama 45, Romney 46

Romney +1
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 09, 2012, 12:16:15 PM
you continue to attack me - you continue to ignore my point.

every candidate starts at the top, when they arrive with all that fury and attention.  Let's rally, etc etc.

THEN we get to know him.  Remember when RUDY destroyed everyone in polls?  He was poor with people, and the more he campaigned, the more his numbers dropped.

methinks rudy was WAY better with ppl than Rmoney is...
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: MCWAY on June 09, 2012, 12:42:54 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

they are close

He's up one in Rasmussen. Nice try!!
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: MCWAY on June 09, 2012, 12:47:47 PM
i guess we'll see if i'm right or not.  it's essentially a tie now in national polls.  Intrade still give obama an 11 point lead to win the election.  $$$$

over the next few weeks, then months... will Romney go up or down?

I guess we'll see who is right.  Maybe mitt is that ONE candidate who gets introduced nationally and doesn't gradually drop.  He's the one, huh?  ;)

Listen to what you're saying. A tie in the national polls usually spells DISASTER when it involves an incumbent.

Why do you think the libs were getting all excited about that exit poll in Wisconsin that had Walker and Barrett tied?

As Dick Morris and others have repeatedly stated, the undecideds go for the challenger. In 7 of the last 8 presidential elections, the incumbent lost all the undecided voters (Bush 43 was the lone exception).

Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 09, 2012, 01:36:51 PM
Listen to what you're saying. A tie in the national polls usually spells DISASTER when it involves an incumbent.

Why do you think the libs were getting all excited about that exit poll in Wisconsin that had Walker and Barrett tied?

As Dick Morris and others have repeatedly stated, the undecideds go for the challenger. In 7 of the last 8 presidential elections, the incumbent lost all the undecided voters (Bush 43 was the lone exception).

if they were tied in october, i'd say its over, obama loses.

but they're tied in June.
After romney was leading everything last week - the same week he became the nominee.

we've seen this over and over.  It's hte honeymoon.  it's Newt up by 25 points in florida lol.  It's cain up by 35 points in S Carolina.

Romney just won the nomination and his week of honeymoon is nearly over.  You'll see him drop weekly now - all the while getbiggers will credit bad polls (the same polls they found credible when romney was up a few points).   Romney's peaked.  only one way to go now.

Hey, yall chose a tier 2 candidate. 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2012, 01:44:39 PM


Utterly clueless.    Get your Kleenex ready. 



if they were tied in october, i'd say its over, obama loses.

but they're tied in June.
After romney was leading everything last week - the same week he became the nominee.

we've seen this over and over.  It's hte honeymoon.  it's Newt up by 25 points in florida lol.  It's cain up by 35 points in S Carolina.

Romney just won the nomination and his week of honeymoon is nearly over.  You'll see him drop weekly now - all the while getbiggers will credit bad polls (the same polls they found credible when romney was up a few points).   Romney's peaked.  only one way to go now.

Hey, yall chose a tier 2 candidate. 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 09, 2012, 01:47:18 PM

Utterly clueless.    Get your Kleenex ready. 


argue my points.  it's' boring when all you do is insult.  tell us why this isn't just romney's honeymoon?
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2012, 01:50:35 PM

argue my points.  it's' boring when all you do is insult.  tell us why this isn't just romney's honeymoon?

Because the media and gaybama used all their lines of attack on Romney already and they all flopped.   As the economy gets worse and Obama sticks w his socialism and communism, his flailing in the wind at Romney won't mean shit. 

It's a referendum on Obama not Romney. 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: OzmO on June 09, 2012, 02:01:06 PM
I don't see how anyone can think this is a good sign when Romney is essentially tied with OB.   

I think what's happening here on this board is: "Tool Time". It's almost juvenile with some posters.

But we will see.  Camp Romney has their work cut for them. 

Where was Kerry at this point in 2004?

I just don't see this as good news.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: OzmO on June 09, 2012, 02:04:31 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122378,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122378,00.html)


President Bush is seen as the candidate best suited to handle terrorism and national crises, while Democrat John Kerry (search) tops Bush on handling domestic issues such as health care and Social Security (search). Just as both candidates are viewed as equally likely to inspire confidence in the presidency, there is little change in the tight presidential election, according to a Fox News poll released Thursday.
The national registered voter poll finds the Republican incumbent would receive the support of 43 percent to Kerry's 45 percent, if the presidential election were held today. When independent Ralph Nader (search ) is included, he receives three percent, Bush 42 percent and Kerry 42 percent.



Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Dos Equis on June 09, 2012, 02:33:46 PM
I don't see how anyone can think this is a good sign when Romney is essentially tied with OB.   

I think what's happening here on this board is: "Tool Time". It's almost juvenile with some posters.

But we will see.  Camp Romney has their work cut for them. 

Where was Kerry at this point in 2004?

I just don't see this as good news.

I think it's a good position.  He just won enough delegates to get the nomination.  The money is just now starting to roll in.  Republicans are lining up behind him.  He's about to start an ad blitz.  He's going to get a bump from his vp choice (if it's a good one), the convention, and his debate performances. 

Given all that, being in a dead heat with a sitting president who has the MSM in his back pocket is pretty darn good.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: OzmO on June 09, 2012, 02:46:32 PM
He shouldn't be in a dead heat, he should be ahead.  Being in a dead heat shows he's a weak candidate versus a bad president.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Dos Equis on June 09, 2012, 02:49:41 PM
He shouldn't be in a dead heat, he should be ahead.  Being in a dead heat shows he's a weak candidate versus a bad president.

Not really.  The power of the incumbency and endless resources will almost always keep the incumbent in the race.  The media love/protection helps too. 

It has only been a two man race for a few weeks. 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2012, 03:19:09 PM
 :).  Most polling is registered voters now.  Once they switch to likely voters in september romney will start pulling ahead.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 09, 2012, 03:27:32 PM
Because the media and gaybama used all their lines of attack on Romney already and they all flopped.   As the economy gets worse and Obama sticks w his socialism and communism, his flailing in the wind at Romney won't mean shit. 

It's a referendum on Obama not Romney. 
why is romney no longer leading in nat'l polls, when he was LAST WEEK?

Why has he declined this week?
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2012, 03:52:50 PM
 :). How has he declined?  Ras and gallup have been pretty consistent overall.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 09, 2012, 04:00:00 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

RCP has obama up, and the trend is pretty clearly not for romney.   I know we all agree RCP is the most reliable collection of polls, right?
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: MCWAY on June 09, 2012, 04:01:14 PM
I don't see how anyone can think this is a good sign when Romney is essentially tied with OB.   

I think what's happening here on this board is: "Tool Time". It's almost juvenile with some posters.

But we will see.  Camp Romney has their work cut for them. 

Where was Kerry at this point in 2004?

I just don't see this as good news.

It's as I said earlier. In those ties, there are a bunch of undecided voters. History has shown, time and again, that nearly all those undecided go AGAINST THE INCUMBENT (i.e. Obama).

Romney just clinched a couple of weeks ago. With Team Obama, repeatedly shooting itself in the foot, couple with this most embarrassing loss for the left in Wisconsin, Romney is in GREAT SHAPE.

Wisconsin and Michigan, two states (especially the latter) that NOBODY though a Republican had a chance in hell of winning, are now UP FOR GRABS!! If you're an incumbent Democrat president, that is downright DREADFUL!!

And Oregon appears to be heading in the toss-up category as well.

The brilliant Messiah guy who killed Bin Laden is now neck-and-neck (or losing) to the survivor of "the worst GOP field in history"......That AIN'T GOOD NEWS for Team "Yes-We-Can", no matter how you slice it.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: MCWAY on June 09, 2012, 04:02:52 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

RCP has obama up, and the trend is pretty clearly not for romney.   I know we all agree RCP is the most reliable collection of polls, right?

There is no trend for Obama. Wisconsin and Michigan just got moved from "Leaning Obama" to "Toss up".
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 09, 2012, 04:05:27 PM
 :). Rcp average does not mean anything since they include a lot of crap polls and outliers. 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: MCWAY on June 09, 2012, 04:07:59 PM
:). Rcp average does not mean anything since they include a lot of crap polls and outliers.  

You have to look at polls with "registered voters" (RV) vs. "likely voters" (LV), as the latter tend to be more accurate

The RCP average had Walker up by 6.7. He won by 7 points.

Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: OzmO on June 09, 2012, 06:36:05 PM
It's as I said earlier. In those ties, there are a bunch of undecided voters. History has shown, time and again, that nearly all those undecided go AGAINST THE INCUMBENT (i.e. Obama).

Romney just clinched a couple of weeks ago. With Team Obama, repeatedly shooting itself in the foot, couple with this most embarrassing loss for the left in Wisconsin, Romney is in GREAT SHAPE.

Wisconsin and Michigan, two states (especially the latter) that NOBODY though a Republican had a chance in hell of winning, are now UP FOR GRABS!! If you're an incumbent Democrat president, that is downright DREADFUL!!

And Oregon appears to be heading in the toss-up category as well.

The brilliant Messiah guy who killed Bin Laden is now neck-and-neck (or losing) to the survivor of "the worst GOP field in history"......That AIN'T GOOD NEWS for Team "Yes-We-Can", no matter how you slice it.

I hear your points, but again, as bad as OB is, as poor of a leader he's been AND the economy i think Romney should be legitimately ahead.  AND....  don't under estimate OB's ability to campaign.  He pretty much stole it from Hillary.  I wonder how Reagan was fairing at this point versus Carter. 
Still lots of time left though.  things can really change.


Its sucks any way, because again, most will be voting against someone not for someone.



Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: MCWAY on June 09, 2012, 07:49:07 PM
I hear your points, but again, as bad as OB is, as poor of a leader he's been AND the economy i think Romney should be legitimately ahead.  AND....  don't under estimate OB's ability to campaign.  He pretty much stole it from Hillary.  I wonder how Reagan was fairing at this point versus Carter. 
Still lots of time left though.  things can really change.


Its sucks any way, because again, most will be voting against someone not for someone.





I hear your point, too. But, this ain't 2008. Obama now has a RECORD. And, there is a deliberate effort by "alternative" media to dig up this guy's past and show his true colors. The mainstream media won't be able to cover for him (at least, not as much) this time. We've seen incumbents with better record than this get BEAT DOWN on election day. I'd go out on a limb and say NO Democrat, past or present, would want to start a re-election campaign with a record like that of Obama.

There's a reason he's on this blitz of a fundraiser tour. The dollars ain't coming in the coffer, as scheduled (hence his gay-groveling and Hollywood schmoozing) Romney just outraised him in May.

He's lost the white working-class vote, especially with his cowardly no-show in Wisconsin. Even the union bosses are FUMING, wondering why they should go to bat for a guy, who left them high and dry, during the biggest political showdown of their lives.

Romney's doing just fine. If for no other reason, he's abiding by the saying that you don't kill your opponent when he's intent on committing suicide.

BTW, Reagan was behind Carter, around this time in 1980.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: MM2K on June 09, 2012, 10:59:16 PM
I dont think Reagan ever went ahead of Carter until after thier debate in October.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Dos Equis on June 09, 2012, 11:04:37 PM
Where was Clinton in relation to Bush Sr.?  Seems like that would be a better comparison.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 09, 2012, 11:41:26 PM
Where was Clinton in relation to Bush Sr.?  Seems like that would be a better comparison.

perot took 18% of that vote.  much of it conservative vote too.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Dos Equis on June 10, 2012, 12:33:51 AM
Perot's support largely came from independents. 

But the issue is polling in June between incumbent and challenger.  In June 92, with Bush getting high foreign policy ratings but with a struggling economy, the polling was: 

Bush - 32
Perot - 30
Clinton - 24

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/23/us/1992-campaign-poll-bush-clinton-sag-survey-perot-s-negative-rating-doubles.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

If history is a guide, Obama is in serious trouble.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 10, 2012, 05:22:12 AM
Perot's support largely came from independents. 

But the issue is polling in June between incumbent and challenger.  In June 92, with Bush getting high foreign policy ratings but with a struggling economy, the polling was: 

Bush - 32
Perot - 30
Clinton - 24

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/23/us/1992-campaign-poll-bush-clinton-sag-survey-perot-s-negative-rating-doubles.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

If history is a guide, Obama is in serious trouble.







Not really....Romney is pretty much like John Kerry at this point....he's not well liked and lots of people who voted Republican are not pleased with him due to him spending his way to a win along with passing liberal laws when he was governer making him a flip flopper.  Santorum and Gingrich aren't helping him much which makes it even more difficult to mobilize the base.


If Romney is going to have a chance to win, he really has to go on the offensive and pull no punches.  He needs to beat Obama down on the campaign trail for everything he's worth and start getting the GOP base angry and pissed off to fight for him like Darrell Issa or Santorum.  He's got to get some of that "Clubber Lane" running through his veins. 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: doison on June 10, 2012, 09:34:28 AM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

RCP has obama up, and the trend is pretty clearly not for romney.  I know we all agree RCP is the most reliable collection of polls, right?

Are you kidding?  Run a trend line on that graph and see what happens.  Have you ever analyzed data plots before?  Don't you have to do that at some point in school?  I can think of a few high school classes that covered it, and I can't imagine you can get an MBA without a class in statistics? 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Shockwave on June 10, 2012, 09:44:44 AM
Are you kidding?  Run a trend line on that graph and see what happens.  Have you ever analyzed data plots before?  Don't you have to do that at some point in school?  I can think of a few high school classes that covered it, and I can't imagine you can get an MBA without a class in statistics? 
Concensus is he got his MBA from a crackerjack box.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: polychronopolous on June 10, 2012, 09:59:42 AM
Perot's support largely came from independents. 

But the issue is polling in June between incumbent and challenger.  In June 92, with Bush getting high foreign policy ratings but with a struggling economy, the polling was: 

Bush - 32
Perot - 30
Clinton - 24

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/06/23/us/1992-campaign-poll-bush-clinton-sag-survey-perot-s-negative-rating-doubles.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

If history is a guide, Obama is in serious trouble.

I can recall Perot looking very strong there for a while in the early part of the campaign. What was it that caused him to drop so much?
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 10, 2012, 03:31:40 PM


Sunday, June 10




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General Election: Romney vs. Obama

Gallup Tracking

Obama 45, Romney 46

Romney +1



General Election: Romney vs. Obama

Rasmussen Tracking

Obama 45, Romney 46

Romney +1









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for obama to be polling at 45 in both polls is a D I S A S T E R.  But carry on team dildo.   
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Dos Equis on June 10, 2012, 04:11:54 PM

Not really....Romney is pretty much like John Kerry at this point....he's not well liked and lots of people who voted Republican are not pleased with him due to him spending his way to a win along with passing liberal laws when he was governer making him a flip flopper.  Santorum and Gingrich aren't helping him much which makes it even more difficult to mobilize the base.


If Romney is going to have a chance to win, he really has to go on the offensive and pull no punches.  He needs to beat Obama down on the campaign trail for everything he's worth and start getting the GOP base angry and pissed off to fight for him like Darrell Issa or Santorum.  He's got to get some of that "Clubber Lane" running through his veins. 

Romney is not like Kerry.  Kerry was a treasonous db who married well.  Romney is a flip flopper, but least he made his own money.  More executive experience than Kerry, more private sector experience, better debater, and a better fundraiser.

Not sure what Santorum or Gingrich need to do other than endorse him, which they've already done.  Neither one will appeal to independents or crossover Democrats, which are groups Romney needs to win.

He's off to a great start.  He'll do much better than McCain against a much weaker Obama.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Vince G, CSN MFT on June 10, 2012, 04:55:29 PM
Romney is not like Kerry.  Kerry was a treasonous db who married well.  Romney is a flip flopper, but least he made his own money.  More executive experience than Kerry, more private sector experience, better debater, and a better fundraiser.

Not sure what Santorum or Gingrich need to do other than endorse him, which they've already done.  Neither one will appeal to independents or crossover Democrats, which are groups Romney needs to win.

He's off to a great start.  He'll do much better than McCain against a much weaker Obama.


Treasonous.....he served on a fucking swiftboat in Vietnam and has 2 Silver Star for protecting his men.  People can criticize his efforts against the war, but he was there and in the thick of shit.  He had one dangerous ass job...I would not wish it upon anyone.  He served his country so he had every right to oppose the war if he wanted to


My statement was to his his stiff as a board personality which is the same as Kerry along with his hesitance to attack Obama.  Needs to take some pointers from Palin or Issa....they know how to go after someone
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: garebear on June 10, 2012, 05:55:13 PM
Romney is not like Kerry.  Kerry was a treasonous db who married well.  Romney is a flip flopper, but least he made his own money.  More executive experience than Kerry, more private sector experience, better debater, and a better fundraiser.

Not sure what Santorum or Gingrich need to do other than endorse him, which they've already done.  Neither one will appeal to independents or crossover Democrats, which are groups Romney needs to win.

He's off to a great start.  He'll do much better than McCain against a much weaker Obama.
Where do you get off calling war veterans traitors? Are you a war veteran?

Is everyone who holds a different political opinion than you a traitor?

Fine. From now on, you're Beach Bum the traitor. The person who spits on veterans.

Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 10, 2012, 06:01:33 PM
Where do you get off calling war veterans traitors? Are you a war veteran?

Is everyone who holds a different political opinion than you a traitor?

Fine. From now on, you're Beach Bum the traitor. The person who spits on veterans.




Says the person working in communist china. 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: blacken700 on June 10, 2012, 06:08:30 PM

Says the person working in communist china. 


says a person who spends 24/7 on getbig posting 130 + post a day  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 10, 2012, 06:14:22 PM

says a person who spends 24/7 on getbig posting 130 + post a day  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Romney today leading n Gallup and RAS. = FACT.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: blacken700 on June 10, 2012, 06:15:54 PM
Romney today leading n Gallup and RAS. = FACT.

says a person who spends 24/7 on getbig posting 130 + post a day = FACT  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 10, 2012, 06:17:24 PM
says a person who spends 24/7 on getbig posting 130 + post a day = FACT  :D :D :D

And?    I love the Internet.    Spent today at the gun range dropping lead like crazy.  had. To train GF on the Ak47 and her BFF, bit. It's good.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: garebear on June 10, 2012, 06:52:28 PM

Says the person working in communist china. 
I've done more for my country than you'll ever do.

What did you do after your country was attacked ?

Post on the internet and complain about everything.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 10, 2012, 07:05:24 PM
I've done more for my country than you'll ever do.

What did you do after your country was attacked ?

Post on the internet and complain about everything.


Paid your salary.   Without us schmucks producing to pay you, nothing else happens.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 10, 2012, 07:17:45 PM
Romney is not like Kerry.  Kerry was a treasonous db who married well.  


that's a really fucked up thing to say about a vet

kerry is a lib douchebag - but TRAITOR?  Harsh.

Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 10, 2012, 07:35:42 PM

that's a really fucked up thing to say about a vet

kerry is a lib douchebag - but TRAITOR?  Harsh.




Biggest difference between 2004 and 2012 is what? 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 10, 2012, 08:38:20 PM

Biggest difference between 2004 and 2012 is what?  

I can see calling someone a traitor if you believe their policy is deliberately trying to destroy the USA.

You call obama a traitor, and i dont get upset, who knows, maybe youre right, maybe you're nuts, etc.  It's your opinion, and he's done a lot of things that make ya wonder.

but KERRY?  He's a windsurfing lib shithead douchebag - BUT - the dude bled his blood for america.  He served in combat.

Bush, cheney, obama, romney - NONE of them served in combat.  None took bullets or shrapnel for our freedoms.

some took deferrments, some worked as missionairies or radicals or flew planes in alabama for a month to avoid combat...

but KERRY, as bad as he is... the dude did serve his country.  Calling him a traitor is HORRIBLE.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 10, 2012, 08:41:16 PM

Where did I call kerry a traitor?   



I can see calling someone a traitor if you believe their policy is deliberately trying to destroy the USA.

You call obama a traitor, and i dont get upset, who knows, maybe youre right, maybe you're nuts, etc.  It's your opinion, and he's done a lot of things that make ya wonder.

but KERRY?  He's a windsurfing lib shithead douchebag - BUT - the dude bled his blood for america.  He served in combat.

Bush, cheney, obama, romney - NONE of them served in combat.  None took bullets or shrapnel for our freedoms.

some took deferrments, some worked as missionairies or radicals or flew planes in alabama for a month to avoid combat...

but KERRY, as bad as he is... the dude did serve his country.  Calling him a traitor is HORRIBLE.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 10, 2012, 08:51:44 PM
Where did I call kerry a traitor?   




you didn't.   

another getbigger accused kerry of treason.

Now, I consider kerry a d-bag of the highest degree, completely hypocritical, out of touch, a real bag of crap.

but I still admire him for risking his ass for America in war.  Can't take that from him, no matter how misguided his ideology.  Calling a vet treasonous is HUGE - ya gotta have a lot more than "I dont like his policies".
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Dos Equis on June 10, 2012, 10:56:41 PM

Treasonous.....he served on a fucking swiftboat in Vietnam and has 2 Silver Star for protecting his men.  People can criticize his efforts against the war, but he was there and in the thick of shit.  He had one dangerous ass job...I would not wish it upon anyone.  He served his country so he had every right to oppose the war if he wanted to


My statement was to his his stiff as a board personality which is the same as Kerry along with his hesitance to attack Obama.  Needs to take some pointers from Palin or Issa....they know how to go after someone

Yes, treasonous.  Have you ever watched the Stolen Honor documentary?  Former vets, POWs, and their wives talk about the detrimental effect Kerry's Congressional testimony had during the war.  Threw his fellow Soldiers under the bus while we had POWs in Vietnam.  Then he had the nerve to try and use his service as a prop during his run.  He is a traitorous dog. 

Romney is stiff, but much more engaging than Kerry. 

Not what you've been watching, but Romney has been all over Obama for the entire campaign.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Dos Equis on June 10, 2012, 10:57:18 PM
Where do you get off calling war veterans traitors? Are you a war veteran?

Is everyone who holds a different political opinion than you a traitor?

Fine. From now on, you're Beach Bum the traitor. The person who spits on veterans.



Yawn.  Don't feed the troll.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: garebear on June 11, 2012, 01:45:09 AM
Is Rush Limbaugh a traitor? He said he couldn't serve in Viet Nam because of pimples on his ass.

Then he went on to say he hopes Obama, an by extension America, fails while Obama is president.

I bet you think Rush is A OK, but the people who actually go to war are the traitors.

I guess everyone I served with is a traitor too.

You have to be a real piece of garbage to call vets traitors. Just garbage.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2012, 02:36:17 AM
Is Rush Limbaugh a traitor? He said he couldn't serve in Viet Nam because of pimples on his ass.

Then he went on to say he hopes Obama, an by extension America, fails while Obama is president.

I bet you think Rush is A OK, but the people who actually go to war are the traitors.

I guess everyone I served with is a traitor too.

You have to be a real piece of garbage to call vets traitors. Just garbage.

Lee Harvey Oswald?
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Dos Equis on June 11, 2012, 03:02:13 AM
Is Rush Limbaugh a traitor? He said he couldn't serve in Viet Nam because of pimples on his ass.

Then he went on to say he hopes Obama, an by extension America, fails while Obama is president.

I bet you think Rush is A OK, but the people who actually go to war are the traitors.

I guess everyone I served with is a traitor too.

You have to be a real piece of garbage to call vets traitors. Just garbage.

If I keep ignoring the troll, will it go away?
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: whork on June 11, 2012, 03:06:29 AM
Paid your salary.   Without us schmucks producing to pay you, nothing else happens.

How do you pay his salary when you dont have a job?
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: whork on June 11, 2012, 03:08:35 AM
Is Rush Limbaugh a traitor? He said he couldn't serve in Viet Nam because of pimples on his ass.

Then he went on to say he hopes Obama, an by extension America, fails while Obama is president.

I bet you think Rush is A OK, but the people who actually go to war are the traitors.

I guess everyone I served with is a traitor too.

You have to be a real piece of garbage to call vets traitors. Just garbage.

He is a Neocon the good Beach Bum
AAll other than fellow Neocons who finds ways to not join the army are traitors
Traitors for not being Neocon pussies that is
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: dario73 on June 11, 2012, 07:49:26 AM
Rasmussen disagrees:

Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
   
Monday, June 11, 2012

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows Mitt Romney attracting 47% of the vote, while President Obama earns 44%. Five percent (5%) prefer some other candidate, and four percent (4%) are undecided.

Matchup results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern (sign up for free daily e-mail update). See tracking history.

Romney leads in Missouri, while the candidates are tied in Colorado and Virginia.   

Most voters continue to favor repeal of the president’s national health care law as they have in regular tracking since its passage in March 2010. 

Investor confidence fell to a three-month low on Sunday.

There’s not much support for open-ended government help for the long-term unemployed, not because Americans are mean-spirited but because they see dependence on the government as a bad thing, Scott Rasmussen explains in a new radio update. 

If you’d like Scott Rasmussen to speak to your organization, meeting, or conference, please contact Premiere Speakers. The Wall Street Journal has called him “America’s leading insurgent pollster,” and The Washington Post says Scott is a “driving force in American politics.”

(http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/romney_vs_obama/june_2012/romney_vs_obama_june_11_2012/713606-1-eng-US/romney_vs_obama_june_11_2012.jpg)

Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2012, 07:52:05 AM
Guess what Ras was showing 4 years ago today? 

Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: garebear on June 11, 2012, 07:53:36 AM
If I keep ignoring the troll, will it go away?
When called on your bullshit, claim the offender is a troll. - Beach Bum's Guide to Posting on Internet Forums.

Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: dario73 on June 11, 2012, 08:29:15 AM
Guess what Ras was showing 4 years ago today? 



During Election 2008, Rasmussen Reports projected that Barack Obama would defeat John McCain by a 52% to 46% margin. Obama was 53% to 46%. In 2004, Rasmussen Reports was the only firm to project the vote totals for both candidates within half a percentage point.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2012, 08:31:03 AM
During Election 2008, Rasmussen Reports projected that Barack Obama would defeat John McCain by a 52% to 46% margin. Obama was 53% to 46%. In 2004, Rasmussen Reports was the only firm to project the vote totals for both candidates within half a percentage point.

That is why i stick w Ras over the others. 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Straw Man on June 11, 2012, 08:34:28 AM
333 needs Obama to win in November

if not, he'll literally have no direction in his life and won't know how to fill the void of his 24/7 obsession with Obama
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 11, 2012, 08:36:50 AM
333 needs Obama to win in November

if not, he'll literally have no direction in his life and won't know how to fill the void of his 24/7 obsession with Obama

Apparently Bill Clinton disagrees w that as he, like many demos are realizing Obama is taking the democrat party off the cliff. 
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Straw Man on June 11, 2012, 08:43:59 AM
Apparently Bill Clinton disagrees w that as he, like many demos are realizing Obama is taking the democrat party off the cliff. 

I wasn't aware Bill Clinton has commented on your life's obsession

Obviously you're also not fully aware of all on Clintons comments about Obama either
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Dos Equis on June 11, 2012, 03:03:21 PM
During Election 2008, Rasmussen Reports projected that Barack Obama would defeat John McCain by a 52% to 46% margin. Obama was 53% to 46%. In 2004, Rasmussen Reports was the only firm to project the vote totals for both candidates within half a percentage point.

Yep.  They nailed it.  They do an outstanding job. Very accurate.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: Soul Crusher on June 22, 2012, 12:09:26 PM
Friday, June 22


General Election: Romney vs. Obama

Gallup Tracking

Obama 45, Romney 46

Romney +1



General Election: Romney vs. Obama

Rasmussen Tracking

Obama 43, Romney 48

Romney +5


Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 22, 2012, 12:36:29 PM
national doesn't equal electoral in swing states.
Title: Re: Romney now fails to lead in any national poll.
Post by: 240 is Back on June 14, 2015, 05:20:07 PM
re-read moron, who said he wont drop?

what im saying is he is competing against a moron who thinks the private sector is doing fine and the answer to a better economy is more govt workers...

who do you think is going to drop faster?

huh ;)?

well...