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Something I've noticed about Romney is not only that he is a pathological liar but that when he's caught in a lie or even just a gaffe instead of admitting like a normal adult he doubles and triples down. It's a weird and even a dangerous trait to have in anyone but especially someone who wants to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth
btw - funny thing about Romney is he spent the Vietnam years riding around on France on a bicycle yet he never misses an opportunity to shit on France whenever he gets a chance
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Something I've noticed about Romney is not only that he is a pathological liar but that when he's caught in a lie or even just a gaffe instead of admitting like a normal adult he doubles and triples down. It's a weird and even a dangerous trait to have in anyone but especially someone who wants to be the leader of the most powerful nation on earth
btw - funny thing about Romney is he spent the Vietnam years riding around on France on a bicycle yet he never misses an opportunity to shit on France whenever he gets a chance
HE HAS TO BE ONE OF THE GETBIGERS :D :D
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That's really bad but it's not going to matter to anyone voting for him. From here to election day, the answer to Mitt being such a fucking lying douche is "but Obama"
I just can't fathom why anyone would vote for either Obama or Romney this election.
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That's really bad but it's not going to matter to anyone voting for him. From here to election day, the answer to Mitt being such a fucking lying douche is "but Obama"
I just can't fathom why anyone would vote for either Obama or Romney this election.
I've read that many Mormons find Romney's habitual practice of lying to be a real problem for them
Of course, mainstream Repubs actually see lying as a positive character trait
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I've read that many Mormons find Romney's habitual practice of lying to be a real problem for them
Of course, mainstream Repubs actually see lying as a positive character trait
LOL. Seriously? See, I admit what romney is, and have done so from day one, as almost everyone voting for him. Obama drones still cant give up their cultish worship of obama to at least admit he is a liar as well.
Yes, mittens is a liar, but like Hugo said - he is not obama and that will be good enough for 51-55% in november when he landslides the election.
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LOL. Seriously? See, I admit what romney is, and have done so from day one, as almost everyone voting for him. Obama drones still cant give up their cultish worship of obama to at least admit he is a liar as well.
Yes, mittens is a liar, but like Hugo said - he is not obama and that will be good enough for 51-55% in november when he landslides the election.
yeah, seriously
some Mormons that that ten commandment stuff seriously
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yeah, seriously
some Mormons that that ten commandment stuff seriously
no - I was talking about hard leftists like yourself who have sat silenty while obama does things W could not even imagine that would have had you clowns in the streets every week.
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no - I was talking about hard leftists like yourself who have sat silenty while obama does things W could not even imagine that would have had you clowns in the streets every week.
Obama is not a pathological liar in any sense as compared to Romney
I'm sure you don't agree but then what else is new
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Obama is not a pathological liar in any sense as compared to Romney
I'm sure you don't agree but then what else is new
LMFAO - see - that right there is exactly what i am talking about. You are too swept up in the cult of personality to see it.
I admit romney is a ruthless liar yet the obama cultists still refuse to see reality.
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LMFAO - see - that right there is exactly what i am talking about. You are too swept up in the cult of personality to see it.
I admit romney is a ruthless liar yet the obama cultists still refuse to see reality.
I never said Obama was a saint
I said Romney has a proven record of making demonstrably false statements, getting called on them by the media and then doubling and tripling down
It's a bizzaro trait that is all the more bizarre when we're talking about simple and provably false statements (one example would be Romney statements about Solyndra)
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I never said Obama was a saint
I said Romney has a proven record of making demonstrably false statements, getting called on them by the media and then doubling and tripling down
It's a bizzaro trait that is all the more bizarre when we're talking about simple and provably false statements (one example would be Romney statements about Solyndra)
Speechless coming from an Obama voter.
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Speechless coming from an Obama voter.
find me a recent public statement by Obama that is provably false, pointed out to him by the media that he did not correct or clarify
Here's is one for Romney and instead of just saying he "mispoke" he doubles down
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77070.html
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find me a recent public statement by Obama that is provably false, pointed out to him by the media that he did not correct or clarify
Here's is one for Romney and instead of just saying he "mispoke" he doubles down
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77070.html
private sector is doing fine , where there is weakness is in the public sector.
Private sector UE higher than public sector UE.
Obama is a liar and a fraud
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Obama is not a pathological liar in any sense as compared to Romney
I'm sure you don't agree but then what else is new
Other than promising he'd put on a comfortable pair of shoes and march with the union bubbas?
Or, OKing a college biography, saying he was from Kenya, when he's really born in Hawaii?
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private sector is doing fine , where there is weakness is in the public sector.
Private sector UE higher than public sector UE.
Obama is a liar and a fraud
cant' you ever pay attention
I gave you a simple task - find me a recent public statement by Obama that is provably false, pointed out to him by the media that he did not correct or clarify
Obama clarified that comment 4 hours after he made it
the entire point I've been making is that Romney never admits a lie or even a gaffe
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cant' you ever pay attention
I gave you a simple task - find me a recent public statement by Obama that is provably false, pointed out to him by the media that he did not correct or clarify
Obama clarified that comment 4 hours after he made it
the entire point I've been making is that Romney never admits a lie or even a gaffe
He didnt correct it - he doubled down on it later in the day.
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He didnt correct it - he doubled down on it later in the day.
are you serious?
this is why it's worthless to try to have a dialogue with you
here's what Obama said 4 hours later:
After a short meeting with the president of the Philippines Benigno Aquino, President Obama corrected a mistaken statement he had made last Friday when he said that “the private sector is doing fine.”
During Obama’s brief appearance while the cameras were rolling he restated his position, saying:
“It is absolutely clear the economy is not doing fine.
Then the president continued,
“That’s the reason I had a press conference. That’s why I spent yesterday, the day before yesterday, this past week, this past month and this past year talking about how we can make the economy stronger. The economy is not doing fine. There are too many people out of work. The housing market is still weak, too many homes underwater and that’s precisely why I asked Congress to start taking some steps that can make a difference.”
The emphatic correction came in response to the Republican criticism of Obama’s Friday statement. Republicans stated that the fact that Obama could say that the private sector is doing fine is proof that the president is not in touch with reality.
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Other than promising he'd put on a comfortable pair of shoes and march with the union bubbas?
Or, OKing a college biography, saying he was from Kenya, when he's really born in Hawaii?
Or
Lying about when the CIC has the authority to use force.
That the Freedom of Choice Act would be his first act as president.
Closing Gitmo.
Posting bills online to give the public the right to review and comment before signing them.
Having CSPAN cover all of the healthcare debate.
Not employing lobbyists.
Transparency.
Lying about "the wealthy" not paying their fair share of income taxes.
The stimulus would keep unemployment below 8 percent.
"Shovel ready was quite as shovel ready" as we thought.
Not raising taxes on anyone making less than $250k a year.
Lying about his support for traditional marriage.
And that's just off the top of my head. :)
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Or
Lying about when the CIC has the authority to use force.
That the Freedom of Choice Act would be his first act as president.
Closing Gitmo.
Posting bills online to give the public the right to review and comment before signing them.
Having CSPAN cover all of the healthcare debate.
Not employing lobbyists.
Transparency.
Lying about "the wealthy" not paying their fair share of income taxes.
The stimulus would keep unemployment below 8 percent.
"Shovel ready was quite as shovel ready" as we thought.
Not raising taxes on anyone making less than $250k a year.
Lying about his support for traditional marriage.
And that's just off the top of my head. :)
Then, there's the pay your fair share stuff (meanwhile, he takes every exemption he can with HIS tax returns, even though he "doesn't need it").
And, putting all the bills online 72 hours before voting on them, so people could read them and decide if they liked them or not.
Plus, there's the "war on women" and equal pay stuff (meanwhile, the Dems in DC pay their women 18% less than their male counterparts, doing the same job).
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Or
Lying about when the CIC has the authority to use force.
That the Freedom of Choice Act would be his first act as president.
Closing Gitmo.
Posting bills online to give the public the right to review and comment before signing them.
Having CSPAN cover all of the healthcare debate.
Not employing lobbyists.
Transparency.
Lying about "the wealthy" not paying their fair share of income taxes.
The stimulus would keep unemployment below 8 percent.
"Shovel ready was quite as shovel ready" as we thought.
Not raising taxes on anyone making less than $250k a year.
Lying about his support for traditional marriage.
And that's just off the top of my head. :)
things politicians say for $100, alex
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things politicians say for $100, alex
But, but, but, Obama was supposed to be a different type of politician. He was supposed to be above all this. And, of course, TK members (including you) bought it: hook, line, and sinker.
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But, but, but, Obama was supposed to be a different type of politician. He was supposed to be above all this. And, of course, TK members (including you) bought it: hook, line, and sinker.
is this coming from a guy that believes a man built a big boat and put two of every animal in it :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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is this coming from a guy that believes a man built a big boat and put two of every animal in it :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
As usual, your kneepadding gets exposed and you try to dodge that fact that you bought the Obama "Hope-and-Change" routine. You thought he was going to be different than everyone else.
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:D :D :D
This would be the same network of geniuses that blubbered like babies, after getting their fellow libs get their clocks cleaned in Wisconsin last week.
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As usual, your kneepadding gets exposed and you try to dodge that fact that you bought the Obama "Hope-and-Change" routine. You thought he was going to be different than everyone else.
well wrong again one is about campaign promises which all politicians make and the other is about romney lieing about his personal life,hey but nice try
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This would be the same network of geniuses that blubbered like babies, after getting their fellow libs get their clocks cleaned in Wisconsin last week.
As usual, your kneepadding gets exposed and you try to dodge that fact of the post :D
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well wrong again one is about campaign promises which all politicians make and the other is about romney lieing about his personal life,hey but nice try
Yet, who's kneepadding for a guy who actually did LIE THROUGH HIS TEETH about his campaign promises (as can be verified from all sources and with the naked eye, not by a bunch of left-winged hacks on the red-headed stepchild of cable news who are still weeping over last week's beating).
Obama promised to don the comfy shoes and MARCH with the unions bubbas. Yet, during prime time and the lights on bright, with everything at stake in Wisconsin, that coward of a president DID NOT STEP FOOT to help his people, when they needed him most.
So, tell me again why you're kneepadding for a proven liar and a coward, again.
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As usual, your kneepadding gets exposed and you try to dodge that fact of the post :D
What facts, coming from MSNBC, the same group of knuckleheads who proclaimed Obama WON last week after the whipping in Wisconsin.
Neither they, nor you, would know a fact if it flatten you with a semi-truck.
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What facts, coming from MSNBC, the same group of knuckleheads who proclaimed Obama WON last week after the whipping in Wisconsin.
Neither they, nor you, would know a fact if it flatten you with a semi-truck.
As usual, your kneepadding gets exposed and you try to dodge that fact of the post
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Romney did take FOUR actions to remove himself from the pool of people going to war.
Four times.
He claims he "longed" to be in Nam, but got it deferred twice.
Look dude - just admit you didn't wanna risk your ass over there. So you took a way out. Many would do it, no shame there. Just don't lie about it. It's the lies that make people look bad on it.
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What facts, coming from MSNBC, the same group of knuckleheads who proclaimed Obama WON last week after the whipping in Wisconsin.
Neither they, nor you, would know a fact if it flatten you with a semi-truck.
the story came from the The Associated Press. but hey i know its not from your news source, rush, beck and fox news :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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As usual, your kneepadding gets exposed and you try to dodge that fact of the post
Wrong again!!
The point you clearly missed is that, while you're quick to accuse Romney of lying, when Obama is CAUGHT RED-HANDED in a bold-face lie, you attempt to excuse it by saying that's just what politicians do. All the while, you bought the whole Obama's-a-different-type-of-politician flap.
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i hate it when politicians lie - when they don't really have to - just to please the room they're in.
He did missionary work in france instead of serving in war for his own country. Then he was very public anti-war, along with his dad, right?
Anti-war kid who dodged the draft 4 times, so he could leave USA, and go help france. Just take the (minor) hit, and move on. Don't LIE about it.
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What facts, coming from MSNBC, the same group of knuckleheads who proclaimed Obama WON last week after the whipping in Wisconsin.
Neither they, nor you, would know a fact if it flatten you with a semi-truck.
the story came from the The Associated Press. but hey i know its not from your news source, rush, beck and fox news :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
I'm fully aware it came from the Associated Press. What makes the whole thing comical is the hacks on MSNBC, doing the whole indignation routine about Romney's supposedly lying, just a week removed from watching their beloved Obama duck and hide from Wisconsin (after promising to join them on the front line), knowing the libs were going to lose and lose BIG.
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Wrong again!!
The point you clearly missed is that, while you're quick to accuse Romney of lying, when Obama is CAUGHT RED-HANDED in a bold-face lie, you attempt to excuse it by saying that's just what politicians do. All the while, you bought the whole Obama's-a-different-type-of-politician flap.
As usual, your kneepadding gets exposed and you try to dodge that fact of the post lets try this again this post is about romney lying. ok mr. rush says
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i hate it when politicians lie - when they don't really have to - just to please the room they're in.
He did missionary work in france instead of serving in war for his own country. Then he was very public anti-war, along with his dad, right?
Anti-war kid who dodged the draft 4 times, so he could leave USA, and go help france. Just take the (minor) hit, and move on. Don't LIE about it.
I thought libs were all cool with draft-dodging. It almost reminds me of how Obama thought Afghanistan was the "proper war" to fight. Now, he and his supporters are all against the Afghanistan conflict.
And, how did he dodge the draft? He actually entered it but his number wasn't called.
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I'm fully aware it came from the Associated Press. What makes the whole thing comical is the hacks on MSNBC, doing the whole indignation routine about Romney's supposedly lying, just a week removed from watching their beloved Obama duck and hide from Wisconsin (after promising to join them on the front line), knowing the libs were going to lose and lose BIG.
he did lie,and you have the nerve to talk about kneepadding :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D priceless
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I thought libs were all cool with draft-dodging. It almost reminds me of how Obama thought Afghanistan was the "proper war" to fight. Now, he and his supporters are all against the Afghanistan conflict. And, how did he dodge the draft? He actually entered it but his number wasn't called.
A lot of people did it. And I think many top repubs have come right out and said "I didn't want to go" - it's that simple. He says he never did anything to avoid it - but Romney did take FOUR actions to remove himself from the pool of people going to war. FACT.
And that's not too bad - but claming he LONGED to go to vietnam? No, no, no. Don't say that. Don't tell us that, cause we know you didn't long to go to war. Maybe you regretted going to france to talk religion with frenchies while your neighbors got blown up, ok. BUt don't say "I LONGED" for combat. Fucked up.
Looking back, the war was started on a now-proven lie about the Gulf of Tonken. A kid who, at age 18, didn't want to go fight there - it is what it is. He didn't want to go. nothing wrong with that. I doubt any gun-loving, obama hating vietnam vet is going to vote against romney cause he didn't go.
The prob here is romney lying, just to lie. He took 4 deferrments. It's a fact. Just move on. Trying to
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I thought libs were all cool with draft-dodging. It almost reminds me of how Obama thought Afghanistan was the "proper war" to fight. Now, he and his supporters are all against the Afghanistan conflict.
And, how did he dodge the draft? He actually entered it but his number wasn't called.
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To the surprise of basically no one (except TK members), this is much ado about nothing. It turns out Romney didn't do any dodging at all. Based on his being a Mormon and his Michigan resident, his early deferments were basically automatic.
And, when he did enter the draft, his number wasn't picked. Funny how AP (and MSNBC) left that part out. ::)
Sorry. In one of the Boston Globe reports from which Maddow’s staff was working, this point was explored in great detail. Michael Kranish wrote the report in 2007 (we can’t find a link):
KRANISH (6/24/07): The deferments for Mormon missionaries became increasingly controversial in the late 1960s, especially in Utah, leading the Mormon Church and the government to limit the number of church missionaries who could put off their military service. That agreement called for each church ward, or church district, to designate one male every six months to be exempted from potential duty for the duration of his missionary work.
Romney's home state was Michigan, making his 4-D exemption as a missionary all but automatic because of the relatively small number of Mormon missionaries from that state. It might have been more difficult in Utah, where the huge Mormon population meant that there were sometimes more missionaries than available exemptions. Most missions lasted two and a half years, as Romney's did.
Barry Mayo, who was counselor to the bishop of the ward in Pontiac, Michigan, where Romney attended church, recalled in an interview that wards were allowed to exempt one missionary every six months from the draft. He said that he could not recall any time in which more than one potential draftee sought an exemption in the ward in a six-month period, so Romney's deferment was never in doubt.
"I was aware of the fact that there was an agreement of some sort of between the church and the Selective Service because there were some wards mostly in the West where the congregation was large and the number of youth was large," Mayo said. "The circumstances were very different here. Our congregation was small and the number of youth were small. To the best of my knowledge we never had a situation where we had more than two young men wanting to go in any one year... So I don't believe that we ever had to discourage someone from going on a mission because he was above that two-per-year limit."
Mayo said no records are available from the period that would show how Romney's deferment was handled. But he said he recalled "the conclusion was `we really don't have to worry about [exceeding the quota] because we were never in that situation.' "
Really? There weren't many Mormons in Michigan? Should somebody check that out?
At this point, none of this is worth talking about. But Maddow’s staff replaced that reporting by Kranish with the single word “somehow.” They were trying to make us suspicious, even though they plainly were working right from the Kranish report.
Trust us: No one is going to care about this in the curent campaign. In our own view, that’s a deliverance.
http://dailyhowler.blogspot.com/2012/06/rachel-maddow-goes-to-nam.html
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he did lie,and you have the nerve to talk about kneepadding :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D priceless
Indeed I do, especially when this threadbare-worn issue is YOUR form of kneepadding, to deflect attention off Obama's colossal failure as a president.
A lot of people did it. And I think many top repubs have come right out and said "I didn't want to go" - it's that simple. He says he never did anything to avoid it - but Romney did take FOUR actions to remove himself from the pool of people going to war. FACT.
And that's not too bad - but claming he LONGED to go to vietnam? No, no, no. Don't say that. Don't tell us that, cause we know you didn't long to go to war. Maybe you regretted going to france to talk religion with frenchies while your neighbors got blown up, ok. BUt don't say "I LONGED" for combat. Fucked up.
Looking back, the war was started on a now-proven lie about the Gulf of Tonken. A kid who, at age 18, didn't want to go fight there - it is what it is. He didn't want to go. nothing wrong with that. I doubt any gun-loving, obama hating vietnam vet is going to vote against romney cause he didn't go.
The prob here is romney lying, just to lie. He took 4 deferrments. It's a fact. Just move on. Trying to
If, as my previous post states, typical missions go for 30 months, that explains the four deferments. If I understand correctly, for Mormons (men, in particular) going on missions ranks right up there with baptism. It's pretty much a requirement.
When his mission ended, he entered the draft but didn't get picked, due to a high number.
The implication by the AP (and by MSNBC) is that Romney and/or his dad pursued deferments for him, for the expressed purpose of dodging the draft. If Romney's a practicing Mormon, doing mission work is standard procedure in the LDS church.
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Here's the full Michael Kranish article, courtesy of the "SomethingAintFunny" blogsite:
Mormon church obtained Vietnam draft deferrals for Romney, [and] other missionaries
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 24, 2007
As the Vietnam War raged in the 1960s, Mitt Romney received a deferment from the draft as a Mormon "minister of religion" for the duration of his missionary work in France, which lasted two and a half years.
Before and after his missionary deferment, Romney also received nearly three years of deferments for his academic studies. When his deferments ended and he became eligible for military service in 1970, he drew a high number in the annual lottery that determined which young men were drafted. His high number ensured he was not drafted into the military.
The deferments for Mormon missionaries became increasingly controversial in the late 1960s, especially in Utah, leading the Mormon Church and the government to limit the number of church missionaries who could put off their military service. That agreement called for each church ward, or church district, to designate one male every six months to be exempted from potential duty for the duration of his missionary work.
Romney's home state was Michigan, making his 4-D exemption as a missionary all but automatic because of the relatively small number of Mormon missionaries from that state. It might have been more difficult in Utah, where the huge Mormon population meant that there were sometimes more missionaries than available exemptions. Most missions lasted two and a half years, as Romney's did.
Barry Mayo, who was counselor to the bishop of the ward in Pontiac, Michigan, where Romney attended church, recalled in an interview that wards were allowed to exempt one missionary every six months from the draft. He said that he could not recall any time in which more than one potential draftee sought an exemption in the ward in a six-month period, so Romney's deferment was never in doubt.
"I was aware of the fact that there was an agreement of some sort of between the church and the Selective Service because there were some wards mostly in the West where the congregation was large and the number of youth was large," Mayo said. "The circumstances were very different here. Our congregation was small and the number of youth were small. To the best of my knowledge we never had a situation where we had more than two young men wanting to go in any one year... So I don't believe that we ever had to discourage someone from going on a mission because he was above that two-per-year limit."
Mayo said no records are available from the period that would show how Romney's deferment was handled. But he said he recalled "the conclusion was `we really don't have to worry about [exceeding the quota] because we were never in that situation.' "
By serving as a missionary and being given the deferment, Romney ensured that he would not be drafted from July 1966 until February 1969. Romney's draft record from the time describes him as "minister of religion or divinity student." Mayo said the church would have considered Romney a minister.
Romney, who has said he would have served if he had been drafted, shed some light on his view of the matter in a recent interview with the Globe.
"I really don’t recall thinking about political positions when I was knocking at the door in France" as a missionary, Romney said. "I was supportive of my country. I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."
At the same time, Romney said, he was influenced by the statement of his father, then-Michigan Governor George W. Romney, who said in 1967 that he had been "brainwashed" by US officials about Vietnam. "When my dad said that he had been wrong about Vietnam and that it was a mistake and they had been brainwashed and so forth, I certainly trusted him and believed him," Romney said.
The exemption for Mormon missionaries created controversy at the time. Non-Mormons in Utah filed a lawsuit against the federal government in 1968. The suit was still in court two years later, at a time when "the church and the Selective Service System work hand-in-hand in deferring the missionaries," according to an article from the period published by The New York Times.
Richard Leedy, the lawyer who brought the suit, said in a telephone interview that he did so because "the substantial number of deferments to missionaries made the likelihood of us non-Mormons going to Vietnam a lot more likely."
Separately, Romney's draft service was deferred due to his status as a full-time student for about three years.
Romney registered with the Selective Service in April 1965 but was not considered readily available for military service until December 1970. His name was then put into the lottery based on an individual's birthday, and he drew the number 300 at a time when no one drawing higher than 195 was drafted.
"When Governor Romney's deferment for college and missionary service ended, he made himself available for military service, and his name went into the lottery, but he was not selected," Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said via e-mail.
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LOL. Seriously? See, I admit what romney is, and have done so from day one, as almost everyone voting for him. Obama drones still cant give up their cultish worship of obama to at least admit he is a liar as well.
Yes, mittens is a liar, but like Hugo said - he is not obama and that will be good enough for 51-55% in november when he landslides the election.
They are both liars but Obama wins on foreign policy and the fact that he inherited a mess and it looks better now
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I thought libs were all cool with draft-dodging. It almost reminds me of how Obama thought Afghanistan was the "proper war" to fight. Now, he and his supporters are all against the Afghanistan conflict.
And, how did he dodge the draft? He actually entered it but his number wasn't called.
Hahaha yes no liberals have ever served in the army ::)
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Here's the full Michael Kranish article, courtesy of the "SomethingAintFunny" blogsite:
Mormon church obtained Vietnam draft deferrals for Romney, [and] other missionaries
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 24, 2007
As the Vietnam War raged in the 1960s, Mitt Romney received a deferment from the draft as a Mormon "minister of religion" for the duration of his missionary work in France, which lasted two and a half years.
Before and after his missionary deferment, Romney also received nearly three years of deferments for his academic studies. When his deferments ended and he became eligible for military service in 1970, he drew a high number in the annual lottery that determined which young men were drafted. His high number ensured he was not drafted into the military.
The deferments for Mormon missionaries became increasingly controversial in the late 1960s, especially in Utah, leading the Mormon Church and the government to limit the number of church missionaries who could put off their military service. That agreement called for each church ward, or church district, to designate one male every six months to be exempted from potential duty for the duration of his missionary work.
Romney's home state was Michigan, making his 4-D exemption as a missionary all but automatic because of the relatively small number of Mormon missionaries from that state. It might have been more difficult in Utah, where the huge Mormon population meant that there were sometimes more missionaries than available exemptions. Most missions lasted two and a half years, as Romney's did.
Barry Mayo, who was counselor to the bishop of the ward in Pontiac, Michigan, where Romney attended church, recalled in an interview that wards were allowed to exempt one missionary every six months from the draft. He said that he could not recall any time in which more than one potential draftee sought an exemption in the ward in a six-month period, so Romney's deferment was never in doubt.
"I was aware of the fact that there was an agreement of some sort of between the church and the Selective Service because there were some wards mostly in the West where the congregation was large and the number of youth was large," Mayo said. "The circumstances were very different here. Our congregation was small and the number of youth were small. To the best of my knowledge we never had a situation where we had more than two young men wanting to go in any one year... So I don't believe that we ever had to discourage someone from going on a mission because he was above that two-per-year limit."
Mayo said no records are available from the period that would show how Romney's deferment was handled. But he said he recalled "the conclusion was `we really don't have to worry about [exceeding the quota] because we were never in that situation.' "
By serving as a missionary and being given the deferment, Romney ensured that he would not be drafted from July 1966 until February 1969. Romney's draft record from the time describes him as "minister of religion or divinity student." Mayo said the church would have considered Romney a minister.
Romney, who has said he would have served if he had been drafted, shed some light on his view of the matter in a recent interview with the Globe.
"I really don’t recall thinking about political positions when I was knocking at the door in France" as a missionary, Romney said. "I was supportive of my country. I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."
At the same time, Romney said, he was influenced by the statement of his father, then-Michigan Governor George W. Romney, who said in 1967 that he had been "brainwashed" by US officials about Vietnam. "When my dad said that he had been wrong about Vietnam and that it was a mistake and they had been brainwashed and so forth, I certainly trusted him and believed him," Romney said.
The exemption for Mormon missionaries created controversy at the time. Non-Mormons in Utah filed a lawsuit against the federal government in 1968. The suit was still in court two years later, at a time when "the church and the Selective Service System work hand-in-hand in deferring the missionaries," according to an article from the period published by The New York Times.
Richard Leedy, the lawyer who brought the suit, said in a telephone interview that he did so because "the substantial number of deferments to missionaries made the likelihood of us non-Mormons going to Vietnam a lot more likely."
Separately, Romney's draft service was deferred due to his status as a full-time student for about three years.
Romney registered with the Selective Service in April 1965 but was not considered readily available for military service until December 1970. His name was then put into the lottery based on an individual's birthday, and he drew the number 300 at a time when no one drawing higher than 195 was drafted.
"When Governor Romney's deferment for college and missionary service ended, he made himself available for military service, and his name went into the lottery, but he was not selected," Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said via e-mail.
Doh. Thread backfire. MSNBC again proving it deserves to be a bottom feeder.
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The hard leftists like whork/blackass/andre/240/straw.option F/ et al are in for a rude awakening when Barack Kardashian gets landslided.
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The hard leftists like whork/blackass/andre/240/straw.option F/ et al are in for a rude awakening when Barack Kardashian gets landslided.
And what exactly does this rude awakening consist off?
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Isn't Martin Bashir the same idiot that claimed the Florida voter roll "purge" of 2k thousand people was like Stalin's purges and an act that ""Stalin would be proud of"?
This guys an idiot. MSNBC is proving, yet again, that they aren't to be trusted.
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He decided to go do missionairy work in France because he didn't want to go fight in a war.
That's his choice. Buy saying he "LONGED" to go to war -
joining in PRO war rallies before the war, and ANTI war rallies after the war...
and the fact anyone who "longed" to go to war probably wouldn't sign up for 4 deferrments...
Well, if you believe romney longed for war, you probably believe Cain never acted inappropriately in 43 years, and that Zimmerman is an honest man.
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Hahaha surely he "longed" for war ::)
This guy is the biggest pussy ever imagine him as pres
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Hahaha surely he "longed" for war ::)
This guy is the biggest pussy ever imagine him as pres
it's okay to not want to fight in a war. Every man has his own opinion.
But claiming he LONGED for it is pretty disingenuous.
Also, his participation in pro-war rallies at college before the war, and anti-war rallies after the war... which is it?
Bad enough ya go hide in France - bad enough you claim you had war lust when you did paperwork 4 times to dodge it...
But to attend rallies for both sites? Eh...
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it's okay to not want to fight in a war. Every man has his own opinion.
But claiming he LONGED for it is pretty disingenuous.
Also, his participation in pro-war rallies at college before the war, and anti-war rallies after the war... which is it?
Bad enough ya go hide in France - bad enough you claim you had war lust when you did paperwork 4 times to dodge it...
But to attend rallies for both sites? Eh...
He is a nut. Seriously Repub voters should take a deep hard look in the mirror.
Politicians lie but this guy lies about EVERYTHING
I doubt he even knows who he is anymore
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He is a nut. Seriously Repub voters should take a deep hard look in the mirror.
Politicians lie but this guy lies about EVERYTHING
I doubt he even knows who he is anymore
I think they know Romney sucks. They said it for 6 years. he bought his way to the nomination.
now they have to decide - do they want to settle for 4 more years of gridlock with a repubs senate/congress, where nothing gets done?
OR
Do they 'settle' for RINO Romney, knowing it'll be EIGHT years until we have another conservative in the white house, at least?
Tough call there.
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Not really
Obama and Romney = pretty much the same
But..
Obama is a killer on foreign policy and he has some charisma and he doesnt want to give more tax breaks for the uber-rich. Also he is respected in Europe and feared in the middle-east.
Romney is weak and pathetic imagine him representing our country to the world?
First the retard Bush and now the coward flip-flopper Romney.
The US will be an embarresment to the world again with this guy
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Romney left USA during vietnam, using 4 deferrments so he could live in a French castle.
I hope he doesn't plan on lecturing Obama on military anything lol...
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Romney left USA during vietnam, using 4 deferrments so he could live in a French castle.
I hope he doesn't plan on lecturing Obama on military anything lol...
;D
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Romney left USA during vietnam, using 4 deferrments so he could live in a French castle.
I hope he doesn't plan on lecturing Obama on military anything lol...
And I'll make it clear I'm NOT criticizing Romney for using deferments - many people did. They didn't want to lose a leg fighting a war started on the Gulf of Tonken lie so companies could get rich.
That was romney's choice - he did leave the USA and go live in a castle located in france. Fact. Missionary work, yep. Getting frenchies to pray > Fighting communism. But I don't fault him for it.
NOW - When he says he "longed" for war to appeal to the military voters, that's some stone cold bullshit.
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well wrong again one is about campaign promises which all politicians make and the other is about romney lieing about his personal life,hey but nice try
exactly and to the large extent Obama has commented on those statements
If he were to act like Romney he would say he had closed Gitmo or he would pretend he never said such a thing
both responses would leave us shaking our head in disbelief just like we do when Romney won't back down and doubles down when telling a blatant lie
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Here's the full Michael Kranish article, courtesy of the "SomethingAintFunny" blogsite:
Mormon church obtained Vietnam draft deferrals for Romney, [and] other missionaries
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 24, 2007
As the Vietnam War raged in the 1960s, Mitt Romney received a deferment from the draft as a Mormon "minister of religion" for the duration of his missionary work in France, which lasted two and a half years.
Before and after his missionary deferment, Romney also received nearly three years of deferments for his academic studies. When his deferments ended and he became eligible for military service in 1970, he drew a high number in the annual lottery that determined which young men were drafted. His high number ensured he was not drafted into the military.
The deferments for Mormon missionaries became increasingly controversial in the late 1960s, especially in Utah, leading the Mormon Church and the government to limit the number of church missionaries who could put off their military service. That agreement called for each church ward, or church district, to designate one male every six months to be exempted from potential duty for the duration of his missionary work.
Romney's home state was Michigan, making his 4-D exemption as a missionary all but automatic because of the relatively small number of Mormon missionaries from that state. It might have been more difficult in Utah, where the huge Mormon population meant that there were sometimes more missionaries than available exemptions. Most missions lasted two and a half years, as Romney's did.
Barry Mayo, who was counselor to the bishop of the ward in Pontiac, Michigan, where Romney attended church, recalled in an interview that wards were allowed to exempt one missionary every six months from the draft. He said that he could not recall any time in which more than one potential draftee sought an exemption in the ward in a six-month period, so Romney's deferment was never in doubt.
"I was aware of the fact that there was an agreement of some sort of between the church and the Selective Service because there were some wards mostly in the West where the congregation was large and the number of youth was large," Mayo said. "The circumstances were very different here. Our congregation was small and the number of youth were small. To the best of my knowledge we never had a situation where we had more than two young men wanting to go in any one year... So I don't believe that we ever had to discourage someone from going on a mission because he was above that two-per-year limit."
Mayo said no records are available from the period that would show how Romney's deferment was handled. But he said he recalled "the conclusion was `we really don't have to worry about [exceeding the quota] because we were never in that situation.' "
By serving as a missionary and being given the deferment, Romney ensured that he would not be drafted from July 1966 until February 1969. Romney's draft record from the time describes him as "minister of religion or divinity student." Mayo said the church would have considered Romney a minister.
Romney, who has said he would have served if he had been drafted, shed some light on his view of the matter in a recent interview with the Globe.
"I really don’t recall thinking about political positions when I was knocking at the door in France" as a missionary, Romney said. "I was supportive of my country. I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."
At the same time, Romney said, he was influenced by the statement of his father, then-Michigan Governor George W. Romney, who said in 1967 that he had been "brainwashed" by US officials about Vietnam. "When my dad said that he had been wrong about Vietnam and that it was a mistake and they had been brainwashed and so forth, I certainly trusted him and believed him," Romney said.
The exemption for Mormon missionaries created controversy at the time. Non-Mormons in Utah filed a lawsuit against the federal government in 1968. The suit was still in court two years later, at a time when "the church and the Selective Service System work hand-in-hand in deferring the missionaries," according to an article from the period published by The New York Times.
Richard Leedy, the lawyer who brought the suit, said in a telephone interview that he did so because "the substantial number of deferments to missionaries made the likelihood of us non-Mormons going to Vietnam a lot more likely."
Separately, Romney's draft service was deferred due to his status as a full-time student for about three years.
Romney registered with the Selective Service in April 1965 but was not considered readily available for military service until December 1970. His name was then put into the lottery based on an individual's birthday, and he drew the number 300 at a time when no one drawing higher than 195 was drafted.
"When Governor Romney's deferment for college and missionary service ended, he made himself available for military service, and his name went into the lottery, but he was not selected," Romney spokesman Eric Fehrnstrom said via e-mail.
how on earth do you and BB think this makes it ok? lol
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how on earth do you and BB think this makes it ok? lol
Because they would eat shit if it came from the ass of the repub nominee
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Because they would eat shit if it came from the ass of the repub nominee
and they would insist it's really chocolate ice cream or maybe rocky road
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Because they would eat shit if it came from the ass of the repub nominee
and they would insist it's really chocolate ice cream or maybe rocky road
Now, THIS is a laugh, coming from the kneepadder squad, dredging up all manner of foolishness hoping that nobody notices how SORRY their beloved Messiah (Mr. I'll-put-on-a-pair-of-comfortable-shoes-and-march-on-the-picket-lines-with-you-as-president).
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Now, THIS is a laugh, coming from the kneepadder squad, dredging up all manner of foolishness hoping that nobody notices how SORRY their beloved Messiah (Mr. I'll-put-on-a-pair-of-comfortable-shoes-and-march-on-the-picket-lines-with-you-as-president).
of course you would ignore that it's shit and insist it ice cream
just the same way you ignore my MANY criticisms and dissapointments with Obama and my almost CONSTANT criticism of Dems and pretend instead that I'm a kneepadder
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of course you would ignore that it's shit and insist it ice cream
just the same way you ignore my MANY criticisms and dissapointments with Obama and my almost CONSTANT criticism of Dems and pretend instead that I'm a kneepadder
No one needs to pretend you're a kneepadder.
That's why you're reduced to dredging up this non-story, about Romney's missionary work. The funny part is, we get to watch this fail, just like the war on women, the Ann-Romney-never-worked debacle, Bully-Gate, Dog-Gate, and Bain Capital.
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Now, THIS is a laugh, coming from the kneepadder squad, dredging up all manner of foolishness hoping that nobody notices how SORRY their beloved Messiah (Mr. I'll-put-on-a-pair-of-comfortable-shoes-and-march-on-the-picket-lines-with-you-as-president).
Yes i just love Obama and think he is the second coming of christ ::)
I know its hard to grasp but most of the people are adults and doesnt believe in fairy-tales and doesnt need anyone to save us.
Please post when you reach adulthood like the rest of us
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how on earth do you and BB think this makes it ok? lol
Because all of this mess is foolishly trying to paint Romney as a "draft-dodger". If you actually ENTER THE DRAFT (which Romney did), you can't be a "draft-dodger".
MSNBC and the AP also falsely implied that Romney's father pulled some strings to get him deferments. That's been shot down as well.
At the end of the day, this drivel isn't going to help Obama's floundering campaign (which is pretty much the whole purpose of this old issue being resurrected).
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Yes i just love Obama and think he is the second coming of christ ::)
I know its hard to grasp but most of the people are adults and doesnt believe in fairy-tales and doesnt need anyone to save us.
Please post when you reach adulthood like the rest of us
You're late to the party, when it comes to adulthood. And as far as "fairy tales" go, that would be your ridiculous attempt to paint Obama as a tough guy, claiming that Romney wouldn't have made the call to get Bin Laden. RICHARD SIMMONS would have made that call, had Bin Laden been in his sights.
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Because all of this mess is foolishly trying to paint Romney as a "draft-dodger". If you actually ENTER THE DRAFT (which Romney did), you can't be a "draft-dodger".
MSNBC and the AP also falsely implied that Romney's father pulled some strings to get him deferments. That's been shot down as well.
At the end of the day, this drivel isn't going to help Obama's floundering campaign (which is pretty much the whole purpose of this old issue being resurrected).
Yes poor rich Romney all that time in France just longing to kill gooks ;)
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You're late to the party, when it comes to adulthood. And as far as "fairy tales" go, that would be your ridiculous attempt to paint Obama as a tough guy, claiming that Romney wouldn't have made the call to get Bin Laden. RICHARD SIMMONS would have made that call, had Bin Laden been in his sights.
All right last try.
I posted a clip ealier with RP and Romney debating. Romney starts rambling about lawyers and RP makes him look like a fool. Add that to a man who doesnt even know who he is and you got a scared little soul who cant make these decisions.
A man who needs to rely on lawyers do you really think he would order a mission even his advvisors told him not too?
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No one needs to pretend you're a kneepadder.
That's why you're reduced to dredging up this non-story, about Romney's missionary work. The funny part is, we get to watch this fail, just like the war on women, the Ann-Romney-never-worked debacle, Bully-Gate, and Bain Capital.
way to prove my point on your willful delusion
My criticism of Obama and Dems is well documented on this board andI didn't dredge up this story or start this thread
I merely commented that Romney is a patholigical liar and seems to be proud of being a liar
kind of odd for a fundie but then again maybe it's a requirement of being a fundie
I guess when your'e a fundie you start by lying to yourself and then lying to everyone else is a piece of cake
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All right last try.
I posted a clip ealier with RP and Romney debating. Romney starts rambling about lawyers and RP makes him look like a fool. Add that to a man who doesnt even know who he is and you got a scared little soul who cant make these decisions.
A man who needs to rely on lawyers do you really think he would order a mission even his advvisors told him not too?
Going after Bin Laden was the biggest no-brainer there was. Even the SEALS said as much. But, why listen to them.
Who cares about Ron Paul, who got SMOKED by Romney at nearly every primary held? How many did he win again....That's right!! ZERO!!!
But, thanks for reminding me that the "he-wouldn't-have-gone-after-Bin-Laden" spiel was among the FAILED routines, used to de-rail Romney with the ultimate goal of helping Obama.
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Going after Bin Laden was the biggest no-brainer there was.
Agreed.
Romney opposed going into pakistan to get bin laden, remember?
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Going after Bin Laden was the biggest no-brainer there was. Even the SEALS said as much. But, why listen to them.
Who cares about Ron Paul, who got SMOKED by Romney at nearly every primary held? How many did he win again....That's right!! ZERO!!!
But, thanks for reminding me that the "he-wouldn't-have-gone-after-Bin-Laden" spiel was among the FAILED routines, used to de-rail Romney with the ultimate goal of helping Obama.
Yes thats why Bush didnt do it ::)
And his advisors advised him NOT to go into Pakistan but Obama did so anyway
Whereas Romney starts talking about lawyers.
Seriously cant you see the difference?
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Agreed.
Romney opposed going into pakistan to get bin laden, remember?
NOPE!! What Romney said was that it's going to take more than getting Bin Laden to put an end to Al-Qaeda. He did NOT say he would not go into Pakistan to get Bin Laden.
It’s wrong for a person running for the president of the United States to get on TV and say, “We’re going to go into your country unilaterally.” Of course, America always maintains our option to do whatever we think is in the best interests of America. But we don’t go out and say, “Ladies and gentlemen of Germany, if ever there was a problem in your country, we didn’t think you were doing the right thing, we reserve the right to come in and get them out.” We don’t say those things. We keep our options quiet.
I think, I wouldn’t want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden. He’s one of many, many people who are involved in this global Jihadist effort. He’s by no means the only leader. It’s a very diverse group—Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and of course different names throughout the world. It’s not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. It is worth fashioning and executing an effective strategy to defeat global, violent Jihad and I have a plan for doing that.”
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2012/05/romney-obama-campaign-ad-bin-laden.html#ixzz1xh6jM44O
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Once again Romney has a plan for AQjust like with the economy but cant tell what it is ::)