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The Obama administration will stop deporting, and begin giving work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of a growing Latino electorate that has opposed administration deportation policies.
The administration's decision could affect as many as 800,000 immigrants.
In a statement this morning, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, said “Our nation’s immigration laws... are not designed to be blindly enforced without consideration given to the individual circumstances of each case. Nor are they designed to remove productive young people to countries where they may not have lived or even speak the language."
Illegal immigrants will avoid deportation and be eligible for work permits if they arrived in the U.S. before age 16, are younger than 30, have been in the country for at least five continuous years, have no criminal history, graduated from a U.S. high school or earned a GED, or served in the military.
The president will deliver remarks about the new policy in the Rose Garden at 1 p.m. this afternoon.
The policy change bypasses Congress and partially achieves the goals of the so-called DREAM Act, a long-sought but never enacted plan to establish a path toward citizenship for young people who came to the United States illegally but who have attended college or served in the military. Republicans blocked the DREAM Act in 2010.
Rep. Steve King, an Iowa Republican and vice chairman of the House Immigration subcommittee, told Fox Latino Thursday that he would not support any of the versions of the Dream Act currently being batted around, including one by Rep. David Rivera and Sen. Marco Rubio, both Florida Republicans.
An NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll last month found President Obama leading Mitt Romney among Hispanic voters 61 percent to 27 percent. But the Obama administration's deportation policies have come under fire. In 2011, Immigration and Customs Enforcement deported a record 396,906 people.
Both candidates are expected to head to Florida next week to address the National Association of Latino Elected Officials at a conference in Orlando. The Obama administration's new policy has the same goals as the limited version of the DREAM Act proposed by Sen. Rubio, which stops short of offering young illegal immigrants citizenship, but gives them a type of legal status. Romney said he was considering the proposal from Rubio.
This week, TIME Magazine featured young illegal immigrants in its cover story. Former Washington Post reporter Jose Antonio Vargas, who was brought to the U.S. illegally by his aunt when he was 12, was featured with other immigrants who have publicly shared their story about their lack of legal residency status.
According to Napolitano, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services and Immigrations Custom Enforcement are expected to begin implementation of the application processes within 60 days. Individuals who are already in deportation proceedings but have already been identified as being eligible will be offered deferred action for a period of two years.
Update 11:20 a.m. ET: On a DHS press conference call, reporters quizzed DHS officials on whether the new policy would actually encourage illegal immigrants to step out of the shadows. Coming forward could be seen by some illegal immigrants as a risk, particularly under a different president who might have a change in approach in dealing with the problem of illegal immigration.
"We are encouraging people to take advantage of deferred action... and apply separately for work authorizations, but people can make their own decisions whether their circumstances warrant the application," a DHS spokesperson said, adding that the ability to legally apply for a job and obtain a driver's license will likely be incentives.
While deferred action will give temporary relief to individuals—and while those eligible will have paperwork for two years at a time, subject to renewal—Congress still has to act on a permanent solution, DHS officials said.
Undocumented immigrants under the age of 16 will not be eligible for the waiver but will not be subject to deportation.
Officials also said the policy will enable them to focus resources on illegal immigrants who are public safety and national security risks.
Alicia A. Caldwell of the Associated Press contributed to this report
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religion of peace ::)
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Good. I'm sure as hell not mowing this lawn.
heheh
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Obama knows what he did today is WRONG
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In my line of work, I could get about 10x the contracts I do now if I was a minority and 5x as many if I was a woman.
Can someone please explain to me how that could ever possibly be construed as fair?
It completely boggles my mind.
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In my line of work, I could get about 10x the contracts I do now if I was a minority and 5x as many if I was a woman.
Can someone please explain to me how that could ever possibly be construed as fair?
It completely boggles my mind.
Discrimination.
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This asshole would bend over for a vote!
Today, the Obama Administration, in an obvious attempt to boost the President's flailing reelection campaign, announced that it would bypass Congress and rewrite the nation's immigration laws.
The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.
The second sentence of the Associated Press story addresses the true impetus for the policy change; election-year politics. Obama, and today's Democrat party, see the electorate as a patchwork-quilt of interest groups. Sprinkle enough goodies on certain blocks of voters and they believe they can put together just enough support to win. It can work to a point. But, when the pandering to specific groups undercuts one's overarching narrative it can erode support in the overall electorate.
Obama's policy change sends a clear message to Hispanic voters. It also sends a clear message to non-hispanic voters. Namely, Obama has just added millions of workers to the legal labor force. Millions of illegal immigrants will now be able to legally compete with Americans for the very few jobs available. This message will not be lost on working-class voters.
The media loves to obsess over GOP divisions on the immigration issue. What they fail to note, however, is the Democrats are equally divided. (A Breitbart award to the first reporter who goes to a union hall to get reaction to today's policy change.)
This is unsurprising because Americans are divided on the issue. We're a nation of immigrants and pride ourselves in being a land of opportunity for those eager to seek the American Dream. We are also, though, a nation of laws and many Americans of all political leanings are uncomfortable with the idea that someone can be "rewarded" by breaking the law. Especially at a time that Americans across the economic spectrum feel acute economic anxiety.
Its a tough issue. Which is why we have a Congress, where the nation's representatives can deliberate and try to find the right policy path. It isn't pretty and it often fails. But, that's how laws our made. We do not enact far-reaching rewrites of our laws by executive fiat. Political expediency doesn't negate an entire branch of government.
The media will no doubt applaud Obama's policy reverse on this issue. I've already seen a few commentators hail it as a brilliant move to shore up the Hispanic vote. But, the bigger question is, why does Obama need to shore up the Hispanic vote? He won their support overwhelmingly against McCain in 2008. Why does he need to bypass Congress and institute a policy that risks alienating working class voters?
Obama's entire reelection campaign is based on pandering to specific blocks of voters. Its all he has left. In just three and a half years, he's lost the ability to talk to the rest of us. He's lost the ability to communicate with our collective aspirations.
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Obama is going to get re-elected. BOOK IT!
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This asshole would bend over for a vote!
Today, the Obama Administration, in an obvious attempt to boost the President's flailing reelection campaign, announced that it would bypass Congress and rewrite the nation's immigration laws.
The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.
The second sentence of the Associated Press story addresses the true impetus for the policy change; election-year politics. Obama, and today's Democrat party, see the electorate as a patchwork-quilt of interest groups. Sprinkle enough goodies on certain blocks of voters and they believe they can put together just enough support to win. It can work to a point. But, when the pandering to specific groups undercuts one's overarching narrative it can erode support in the overall electorate.
Obama's policy change sends a clear message to Hispanic voters. It also sends a clear message to non-hispanic voters. Namely, Obama has just added millions of workers to the legal labor force. Millions of illegal immigrants will now be able to legally compete with Americans for the very few jobs available. This message will not be lost on working-class voters.
The media loves to obsess over GOP divisions on the immigration issue. What they fail to note, however, is the Democrats are equally divided. (A Breitbart award to the first reporter who goes to a union hall to get reaction to today's policy change.)
This is unsurprising because Americans are divided on the issue. We're a nation of immigrants and pride ourselves in being a land of opportunity for those eager to seek the American Dream. We are also, though, a nation of laws and many Americans of all political leanings are uncomfortable with the idea that someone can be "rewarded" by breaking the law. Especially at a time that Americans across the economic spectrum feel acute economic anxiety.
Its a tough issue. Which is why we have a Congress, where the nation's representatives can deliberate and try to find the right policy path. It isn't pretty and it often fails. But, that's how laws our made. We do not enact far-reaching rewrites of our laws by executive fiat. Political expediency doesn't negate an entire branch of government.
The media will no doubt applaud Obama's policy reverse on this issue. I've already seen a few commentators hail it as a brilliant move to shore up the Hispanic vote. But, the bigger question is, why does Obama need to shore up the Hispanic vote? He won their support overwhelmingly against McCain in 2008. Why does he need to bypass Congress and institute a policy that risks alienating working class voters?
Obama's entire reelection campaign is based on pandering to specific blocks of voters. Its all he has left. In just three and a half years, he's lost the ability to talk to the rest of us. He's lost the ability to communicate with our collective aspirations.
WWJD
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WWJD
Follow the laws that's been written. This traitor makes them up as he goes along!
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This asshole would bend over for a vote!
Today, the Obama Administration, in an obvious attempt to boost the President's flailing reelection campaign, announced that it would bypass Congress and rewrite the nation's immigration laws.
The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.
The second sentence of the Associated Press story addresses the true impetus for the policy change; election-year politics. Obama, and today's Democrat party, see the electorate as a patchwork-quilt of interest groups. Sprinkle enough goodies on certain blocks of voters and they believe they can put together just enough support to win. It can work to a point. But, when the pandering to specific groups undercuts one's overarching narrative it can erode support in the overall electorate.
Obama's policy change sends a clear message to Hispanic voters. It also sends a clear message to non-hispanic voters. Namely, Obama has just added millions of workers to the legal labor force. Millions of illegal immigrants will now be able to legally compete with Americans for the very few jobs available. This message will not be lost on working-class voters.
The media loves to obsess over GOP divisions on the immigration issue. What they fail to note, however, is the Democrats are equally divided. (A Breitbart award to the first reporter who goes to a union hall to get reaction to today's policy change.)
This is unsurprising because Americans are divided on the issue. We're a nation of immigrants and pride ourselves in being a land of opportunity for those eager to seek the American Dream. We are also, though, a nation of laws and many Americans of all political leanings are uncomfortable with the idea that someone can be "rewarded" by breaking the law. Especially at a time that Americans across the economic spectrum feel acute economic anxiety.
Its a tough issue. Which is why we have a Congress, where the nation's representatives can deliberate and try to find the right policy path. It isn't pretty and it often fails. But, that's how laws our made. We do not enact far-reaching rewrites of our laws by executive fiat. Political expediency doesn't negate an entire branch of government.
The media will no doubt applaud Obama's policy reverse on this issue. I've already seen a few commentators hail it as a brilliant move to shore up the Hispanic vote. But, the bigger question is, why does Obama need to shore up the Hispanic vote? He won their support overwhelmingly against McCain in 2008. Why does he need to bypass Congress and institute a policy that risks alienating working class voters?
Obama's entire reelection campaign is based on pandering to specific blocks of voters. Its all he has left. In just three and a half years, he's lost the ability to talk to the rest of us. He's lost the ability to communicate with our collective aspirations.
You can`t be this worked up over something that means so little to you in the long run.
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Follow the laws that's been written. This traitor makes them up as he goes along!
Did Jesus Obey the laws of his time? You sure about that?
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Did Jesus Obey the laws of his time? You sure about that?
^^^^^ BOOM!
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Great wholesome Christian example from Coach with title of his thread...
I also love the pretending that Obama is somehow unique in pandering for votes...smh
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Did Jesus Obey the laws of his time? You sure about that?
Not sure what "laws" you're referring to over 2000 years ago. Unlike most liberals he knew right from wrong. As it turns out he was right all along!
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Great wholesome Christian example from Coach with title of his thread...
I also love the pretending that Obama is somehow unique in pandering for votes...smh
Still trying to play the Christian card to an atheists advantage? hahaha. Nice try.
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Did Jesus Obey the laws of his time? You sure about that?
Jesus probably would have opened the borders and let 3 billion people move in the next day but that probably wouldn't have been the best decision for the country would it?
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Not sure what "laws" you're referring to over 2000 years ago. Unlike most liberals he knew right from wrong. As it turns out he was right all along!
You said "he would Obey the laws" and i would beg to differ...
Would you like to debate this?
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Still trying to play the Christian card to an atheists advantage? hahaha. Nice try.
God bless, pretty obvious you need it
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Still trying to play the Christian card to an atheists advantage? hahaha. Nice try.
Im a christian.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/15/obama-jobs-program-help-illegals-compete-with-americans-for-scarce-jobs?utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+June+15%2C+2012&utm_campaign=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C
This asshole would bend over for a vote!
Today, the Obama Administration, in an obvious attempt to boost the President's flailing reelection campaign, announced that it would bypass Congress and rewrite the nation's immigration laws.
The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.
The second sentence of the Associated Press story addresses the true impetus for the policy change; election-year politics. Obama, and today's Democrat party, see the electorate as a patchwork-quilt of interest groups. Sprinkle enough goodies on certain blocks of voters and they believe they can put together just enough support to win. It can work to a point. But, when the pandering to specific groups undercuts one's overarching narrative it can erode support in the overall electorate.
Obama's policy change sends a clear message to Hispanic voters. It also sends a clear message to non-hispanic voters. Namely, Obama has just added millions of workers to the legal labor force. Millions of illegal immigrants will now be able to legally compete with Americans for the very few jobs available. This message will not be lost on working-class voters.
The media loves to obsess over GOP divisions on the immigration issue. What they fail to note, however, is the Democrats are equally divided. (A Breitbart award to the first reporter who goes to a union hall to get reaction to today's policy change.)
This is unsurprising because Americans are divided on the issue. We're a nation of immigrants and pride ourselves in being a land of opportunity for those eager to seek the American Dream. We are also, though, a nation of laws and many Americans of all political leanings are uncomfortable with the idea that someone can be "rewarded" by breaking the law. Especially at a time that Americans across the economic spectrum feel acute economic anxiety.
Its a tough issue. Which is why we have a Congress, where the nation's representatives can deliberate and try to find the right policy path. It isn't pretty and it often fails. But, that's how laws our made. We do not enact far-reaching rewrites of our laws by executive fiat. Political expediency doesn't negate an entire branch of government.
The media will no doubt applaud Obama's policy reverse on this issue. I've already seen a few commentators hail it as a brilliant move to shore up the Hispanic vote. But, the bigger question is, why does Obama need to shore up the Hispanic vote? He won their support overwhelmingly against McCain in 2008. Why does he need to bypass Congress and institute a policy that risks alienating working class voters?
Obama's entire reelection campaign is based on pandering to specific blocks of voters. Its all he has left. In just three and a half years, he's lost the ability to talk to the rest of us. He's lost the ability to communicate with our collective aspirations.
Good god, it's like you see the name "Obama" and immediately start seeing red and frothing at the mouth.
1. This isn't an "illegal" immigration policy. This would be a change in policy to existing Customs & Border Patrol (CBP) regulations. There's nothing illegal about such a change.
2. All this does is give CBP prosecutorial discretion. This doesn't force CBP to let a single illegal immigrant walk free with amnesty - it simply gives the agency the option to decline to prosecute illegals.
3. The Department of Homeland Security already has this policy in place for Customs and Immigration Enforcement (ICE), so this is nothing new, it just brings CBP's policies in line with the already existing ICE policy.
Read the damn article and do some research before spouting off like an idiot.
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Good god, it's like you see the name "Obama" and immediately start seeing red and frothing at the mouth.
1. This isn't an "illegal" immigration policy. This would be a change in policy to existing Customs & Border Patrol (CBP) regulations. There's nothing illegal about such a change.
2. All this does is give CBP prosecutorial discretion. This doesn't force CBP to let a single illegal immigrant walk free with amnesty - it simply gives the agency the option to decline to prosecute illegals.
3. The Department of Homeland Security already has this policy in place for Customs and Immigration Enforcement (ICE), so this is nothing new, it just brings CBP's policies in line with the already existing ICE policy.
Read the damn article and do some research before spouting off like an idiot.
Dang doug.... Never seen you come with it like that before
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Dang doug.... Never seen you come with it like that before
Gotta keep shit straight, you know.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/15/obama-jobs-program-help-illegals-compete-with-americans-for-scarce-jobs?utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+June+15%2C+2012&utm_campaign=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C
This asshole would bend over for a vote!
Today, the Obama Administration, in an obvious attempt to boost the President's flailing reelection campaign, announced that it would bypass Congress and rewrite the nation's immigration laws.
The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.
The second sentence of the Associated Press story addresses the true impetus for the policy change; election-year politics. Obama, and today's Democrat party, see the electorate as a patchwork-quilt of interest groups. Sprinkle enough goodies on certain blocks of voters and they believe they can put together just enough support to win. It can work to a point. But, when the pandering to specific groups undercuts one's overarching narrative it can erode support in the overall electorate.
Obama's policy change sends a clear message to Hispanic voters. It also sends a clear message to non-hispanic voters. Namely, Obama has just added millions of workers to the legal labor force. Millions of illegal immigrants will now be able to legally compete with Americans for the very few jobs available. This message will not be lost on working-class voters.
The media loves to obsess over GOP divisions on the immigration issue. What they fail to note, however, is the Democrats are equally divided. (A Breitbart award to the first reporter who goes to a union hall to get reaction to today's policy change.)
This is unsurprising because Americans are divided on the issue. We're a nation of immigrants and pride ourselves in being a land of opportunity for those eager to seek the American Dream. We are also, though, a nation of laws and many Americans of all political leanings are uncomfortable with the idea that someone can be "rewarded" by breaking the law. Especially at a time that Americans across the economic spectrum feel acute economic anxiety.
Its a tough issue. Which is why we have a Congress, where the nation's representatives can deliberate and try to find the right policy path. It isn't pretty and it often fails. But, that's how laws our made. We do not enact far-reaching rewrites of our laws by executive fiat. Political expediency doesn't negate an entire branch of government.
The media will no doubt applaud Obama's policy reverse on this issue. I've already seen a few commentators hail it as a brilliant move to shore up the Hispanic vote. But, the bigger question is, why does Obama need to shore up the Hispanic vote? He won their support overwhelmingly against McCain in 2008. Why does he need to bypass Congress and institute a policy that risks alienating working class voters?
Obama's entire reelection campaign is based on pandering to specific blocks of voters. Its all he has left. In just three and a half years, he's lost the ability to talk to the rest of us. He's lost the ability to communicate with our collective aspirations.
No fuck you, your forefathers came to this country illegally and stole land from the Indians and now call themselves Americans and the indians native americans promoting racism and separation, and now you want to be selfish and say its all for me i want nobody else to come to this country and have a chance at a good life but you fuckers will not clean the bathrooms or pick fruits in the fields or do any of the cheap labor that the Mexicans are willing to do.
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By the title and the author of the thread, I was pretty sure it was not BBing related ;D
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No fuck you, your forefathers came to this country illegally and stole land from the Indians and now call themselves Americans and the indians native americans promoting racism and separation, and now you want to be selfish and say its all for me i want nobody else to come to this country and have a chance at a good life but you fuckers will not clean the bathrooms or pick fruits in the fields or do any of the cheap labor that the Mexicans are willing to do.
It's not just the "shit" jobs that Mexicans do. 10 years ago in this country a guy like Johhny falcon could make a good living painting houses, doing carpentry..shit like that.
Now contractors hire Mexicans that work for 7 dollars an hour, back in the day if you needed an in-between job you could hook up with someone and make yourself a hundred bucks a day as a laborer,and make it through a pinch.... now Paco is doing it for 40 bucks a day. and it is everywhere.
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Did Jesus Obey the laws of his time? You sure about that?
So illegals aliens are like jesus?
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It's not just the "shit" jobs that Mexicans do. 10 years ago in this country a guy like Johhny falcon could make a good living painting houses, doing carpentry..shit like that.
Now contractors hire Mexicans that work for 7 dollars an hour, back in the day if you needed an in-between job you could hook up with someone and make yourself a hundred bucks a day as a laborer,and make it through a pinch.... now Paco is doing it for 40 bucks a day. and it is everywhere.
Correct.
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Correct.
And these tax parasites are killing the nation by popping out all these little tacos and sending them tyo the schools and hospitals and never paying for anything.
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but isnt this a good thing.if this isnt done, theyd turn into drug dealers or stay there as illegal workers anyway.
california is full of guys, what difference do a couple more mexicans make?
Because now their illegal alien parents will never be deported either.
We are turning this country into an even bigger illegal alien magnet with this.
This is obama's plan - to collapse america.
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So illegals aliens are like jesus?
No.. what the fuck are you talking about... get your head out of your ass
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Follow the laws that's been written. This traitor makes them up as he goes along!
Hmmm. Kinda like bush/cheney did. :)
As usual coach is throwing himself on his sword of truth only knowing what one side of the story is.
BTW if we dont keep the hardworking ones we wouldnt have any lettuce, tomatoes, peaches, oranges......seriously ::)
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LOL. Another backfired coach thread. 90,000 and counting.
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This asshole would bend over for a vote!
Today, the Obama Administration, in an obvious attempt to boost the President's flailing reelection campaign, announced that it would bypass Congress and rewrite the nation's immigration laws.
The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.
The second sentence of the Associated Press story addresses the true impetus for the policy change; election-year politics. Obama, and today's Democrat party, see the electorate as a patchwork-quilt of interest groups. Sprinkle enough goodies on certain blocks of voters and they believe they can put together just enough support to win. It can work to a point. But, when the pandering to specific groups undercuts one's overarching narrative it can erode support in the overall electorate.
Obama's policy change sends a clear message to Hispanic voters. It also sends a clear message to non-hispanic voters. Namely, Obama has just added millions of workers to the legal labor force. Millions of illegal immigrants will now be able to legally compete with Americans for the very few jobs available. This message will not be lost on working-class voters.
The media loves to obsess over GOP divisions on the immigration issue. What they fail to note, however, is the Democrats are equally divided. (A Breitbart award to the first reporter who goes to a union hall to get reaction to today's policy change.)
This is unsurprising because Americans are divided on the issue. We're a nation of immigrants and pride ourselves in being a land of opportunity for those eager to seek the American Dream. We are also, though, a nation of laws and many Americans of all political leanings are uncomfortable with the idea that someone can be "rewarded" by breaking the law. Especially at a time that Americans across the economic spectrum feel acute economic anxiety.
Its a tough issue. Which is why we have a Congress, where the nation's representatives can deliberate and try to find the right policy path. It isn't pretty and it often fails. But, that's how laws our made. We do not enact far-reaching rewrites of our laws by executive fiat. Political expediency doesn't negate an entire branch of government.
The media will no doubt applaud Obama's policy reverse on this issue. I've already seen a few commentators hail it as a brilliant move to shore up the Hispanic vote. But, the bigger question is, why does Obama need to shore up the Hispanic vote? He won their support overwhelmingly against McCain in 2008. Why does he need to bypass Congress and institute a policy that risks alienating working class voters?
Obama's entire reelection campaign is based on pandering to specific blocks of voters. Its all he has left. In just three and a half years, he's lost the ability to talk to the rest of us. He's lost the ability to communicate with our collective aspirations.
Thats what you are worried abou? Live with it Obama will be a 2 term pPresident!
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It's not just the "shit" jobs that Mexicans do. 10 years ago in this country a guy like Johhny falcon could make a good living painting houses, doing carpentry..shit like that.
Now contractors hire Mexicans that work for 7 dollars an hour, back in the day if you needed an in-between job you could hook up with someone and make yourself a hundred bucks a day as a laborer,and make it through a pinch.... now Paco is doing it for 40 bucks a day. and it is everywhere.
Isn't that exactly the market economy you have wanted to defend even with nuke war ???
In market economy the price of work is set on markets by demand and supply.
If someone else does same work cheaper, rational human being chooses him over somebody wanting twice the wage.
Price of work is always right if markets are let to operate freely.
If state interferes in the process described above, it's called planned economy.
In former socialist countries, government ordered the wage for every work.
I hate to sound maybe offending here but are you guys supporters of free markets and market economy only when it suits you ?
Same with democracy - it's cool when everybody agrees with you, but gets annoying and worthless when they disagree ??
If that's the case, it's hypocrisy at worst.
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Isn't that exactly the market economy you have wanted to defend even with nuke war ???
In market economy the price of work is set on markets by demand and supply.
If someone else does same work cheaper, rational human being chooses him over somebody wanting twice the wage.
Price of work is always right if markets are let to operate freely.
If state interferes in the process described above, it's called planned economy.
In former socialist countries, government ordered the wage for every work.
I hate to sound maybe offending here but are you guys supporters of free markets and market economy only when it suits you ?
Same with democracy - it's cool when everybody agrees with you, but gets annoying and worthless when they disagree ??
If that's the case, it's hypocrisy at worst.
QFT x 10
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QFT x 10
False you incompetent fool. Legal workers have to pay payroll taxes, fica, UE, etc. Illegals and those that employ them are not engaging in free market system but are engaging in illegal acts undermining leigtimate business.
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And these tax parasites are killing the nation by popping out all these little tacos and sending them tyo the schools and hospitals and never paying for anything.
Yup. my GF's daughter started kindergarten this year, and we had to enroll her in a school quite a few miles from our house, because the closest ones were all filled with beaners. we had to put her in a school in North Scottsdale,which is Super-rich, to get her away from those little pack-mules..and we live in a good neighborhood ourselves. it's fucked up
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False you incompetent fool. Legal workers have to pay payroll taxes, fica, UE, etc. Illegals and those that employ them are not engaging in free market system but are engaging in illegal acts undermining leigtimate business.
Who hires them
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Who hires them
People who are breaking the law as well.
The job of the govt is to deport the illegals and enforce labor laws against those who employ the illegals.
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Who hires them
People that should be sitting in a jail cell.
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False you incompetent fool. Legal workers have to pay payroll taxes, fica, UE, etc. Illegals and those that employ them are not engaging in free market system but are engaging in illegal acts undermining leigtimate business.
You failed comprehension because you were on getbig right? Mr 88,700 posts. ::)
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Its a free market so as a business you will hire the best worker at the cheapest rate that is why so many american companies are using overseas labor, so in a free market if the value of your job is going down and you are not making enough dont sit and cry like a bitch go find something else to do.
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Its a free market so as a business you will hire the best worker at the cheapest rate that is why so many american companies are using overseas labor, so in a free market if the value of your job is going down and you are not making enough dont sit and cry like a bitch go find something else to do.
There is a thing called THE LAW!
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2011/09/obama_on_dream_act_cant_just_c.html
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The correct article has been added on page 1. Try to re-read it coach and 33. They must have No criminal record and attend college or military. These are not the thugs and gang members of the latin world. They will contribute to society much more' than either of you two.
Once again the "republican edited version" has been canceled for the actual article in truth.
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Yup. my GF's daughter started kindergarten this year, and we had to enroll her in a school quite a few miles from our house, because the closest ones were all filled with beaners. we had to put her in a school in North Scottsdale,which is Super-rich, to get her away from those little pack-mules..and we live in a good neighborhood ourselves. it's fucked up
Listen white trash.....you get your bitch ass back down south of Indian School Rd. and take your brood with you.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Fuckin' creatine-heads always rooting through my garage looking for their next hit.
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Awesome. Just what we needed.
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WWJD
Hey-Zues would kick the people out, tell them he loves them, but sees what will happen in the future will be conflict---and that whoring out for votes, whether good or bad, is not ethically or morally right.
And then he would tell them that he and God loves them, and that this is god's will.
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It's a jobs program for ILLEGALS. What part of that are you clowns missing? if they want to come to the country or are already in the country and they want to go through the process of becoming LEGAL then fine.
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It's a jobs program for ILLEGALS. What part of that are you clowns missing? if they want to come to the country or are already in the country and they want to go through the process of becoming LEGAL then fine.
Its bogged down dummy. If they went thru the legal way all the lettuce would rot in the feild because you wouldnt go pick it for us coach.....dont you ever see the big picture??? You are seriously retarded.....
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Its bogged down dummy. If they went thru the legal way all the lettuce would rot in the feild because you wouldnt go pick it for us coach.....dont you ever see the big picture??? You are seriously retarded.....
it's 'bogged down' because millions of people are waiting patiently in line, sometimes for 10 or more years, for the chance to be able to live here legally.
the whole system will collapse when millions more illegals are shuttled to the front of the line and the US misses out on getting the brightest and best from the rest of the world.
I'd rather have indian doctors, chinese scientists or brazillian engineers than an illegal's child who managed not to drop out of high school. And LOL if you think those kids are going to be working in the blazing sun for $8 an hour - they grew up here, took hundreds of thousands of tax dollars and have the American entitlement mentality that the rest of us have.
So we need to bring in yet more shit-poor, low iq illegals to fill the vaccum in low-end labor and everyone gets taxed through the asshole to make up for the benefits that their employers aren't paying them
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It's not just the "shit" jobs that Mexicans do. 10 years ago in this country a guy like Johhny falcon could make a good living painting houses, doing carpentry..shit like that.
Now contractors hire Mexicans that work for 7 dollars an hour, back in the day if you needed an in-between job you could hook up with someone and make yourself a hundred bucks a day as a laborer,and make it through a pinch.... now Paco is doing it for 40 bucks a day. and it is everywhere.
Correct. Ship the wetbacks back where they belong. Dammit I hope we don't have to suffer 4 more years of this administration. It'll take 20-30 years to remediate what this clown is doing.
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it's 'bogged down' because millions of people are waiting patiently in line, sometimes for 10 or more years, for the chance to be able to live here legally.
the whole system will collapse when millions more illegals are shuttled to the front of the line and the US misses out on getting the brightest and best from the rest of the world.
I'd rather have indian doctors, chinese scientists or brazillian engineers than an illegal's child who managed not to drop out of high school. And LOL if you think those kids are going to be working in the blazing sun for $8 an hour - they grew up here, took hundreds of thousands of tax dollars and have the American entitlement mentality that the rest of us have.
So we need to bring in yet more shit-poor, low iq illegals to fill the vaccum in low-end labor and everyone gets taxed through the asshole to make up for the benefits that their employers aren't paying them
Damn brotha...you should run for office! I'd vote for you if you ran on that platform!! :)
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Any time this discussion comes up I wonder what part of "ILLEGAL" immigrants that some people don't understand. :-\ I got a buddy from Columbia, came here legally, hates the fuck out of ilegals, says they are here just to milk the system and cost us taxpayers. LOL.