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GOP legislators in Louisiana have realized to their horror that their bill to provide vouchers for private religious schools can actually be used by Muslims.
Rep. Valarie Hodges, a Republican who represents East Baton Rouge and Livingston, now says she wishes she hadn’t voted for the Jindal voucher bill. “I actually support funding for teaching the fundamentals of America’s Founding Fathers’ religion, which is Christianity, in public schools or private schools,” Hodges told the Livingston Parish News. "I liked the idea of giving parents the option of sending their children to a public school or a Christian school,” Hodges added. The newspaper reported that she “mistakenly assumed that ‘religious’ meant ‘Christian.’” “Unfortunately it will not be limited to the Founders’ religion,” Hodges told the News. “We need to insure that it does not open the door to fund radical Islam schools. There are a thousand Muslim schools that have sprung up recently. I do not support using public funds for teaching Islam anywhere here in Louisiana.”
Americans United for the Separation of Church and State writes:
Some legislators aren’t comfortable funding Muslim schools. What’s to be done? How about not establishing these programs in the first place? Let Muslims fund Muslim schools. Let Catholics fund Catholics ones. Let fundamentalist Protestants pay for the conservative Christian academies and so on.
The law has already gone into effect and provides for no state oversight regarding curriculum or educational standards.
More: http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/07/backfired-louisiana-gop-angry-that.html
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How about not establishing these programs in the first place?
This.
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I have no problem w this unless it is proven they are teaching radical Islam. public school system is a failure x 100.
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I have no problem w this unless it is proven they are teaching radical Islam. public school system is a failure x 100.
Apparently, certain Dems don't have a problem with it, either.
Muslim Congressman: Model America‘s Schools After ’Madrasas’
Those with a functioning memory of the years during which George W. Bush was President will recall only too well the constant furor on the Left over the administration’s supposed obsession with the idea of bringing theocracy to bear in America. This complaint was especially shrill in regards to the idea of voucherizing education, an idea that made many a progressive sit bolt upright in bed, sweating and shaking at the idea that someone, somewhere might hear the word “God” in an educational context. “Why,” they complained, “if we let him get away with it, the President would probably model all our schools after seminaries!”
Fortunately for us, those nightmarish days of theocratic overreach are past. No legislator in Barack Obama’s Democratic party would ever be so backwards, so barbaric as to suggest that America should ever model its educational institutions after religious schools.
Oh. Well, never mind, then.
For those who are wondering, the video posted above depicts Muslim Congressman Andre Carson, of the 7th District of Indiana, voicing his belief that America’s school system would be improved if schools were modeled after “madrasas.” For those that don’t know, madrasas are Islamic religious schools – schools that, according to at least one State Department report, have been accused of fostering anti-American, terrorist sympathies. Specifically, the report singled out the Pakistani educational system, where madrasas are common:
Hosting over 10,000 madrasas, Pakistan’s religious and public educational infrastructure are of ongoing concern in the United States. In an economy that is marked by extreme poverty and underdevelopment, costs associated with Pakistan’s cash-strapped public education system have led many Pakistanis to turn to madrasas for free education, room, and board. Links between Pakistani madrasas and the ousted Afghan Taliban regime, as well as alleged connections between some madrasas and Al Qaeda, have led some observers consider the reform of Pakistan’s madrasa system as an important component of combating anti-U.S. terrorism and in helping to stabilize the recently-formed Afghan government.
In recommending increased U.S. attention to “actual or potential terrorist sanctuaries,” the 9/11 Commission’s final report singled out “poor education” in Pakistan as “a particular concern,” citing reports that some madrasas “have been used as incubators for violent extremism.” These reports received new and more urgent attention following reports that one of the four suicide bombers that carried out the July 2005 terrorist attacks on the London transportation system had spent time at a Pakistani madrasa with alleged links to extremists. In response, Pakistani authorities renewed plans to require all madrasas to register with the government and provide an account of their financing sources. The government had previously offered incentives to madrasas that agreed to comply with registration procedures, including better training, salaries, and supplies. Madrasa leaders reportedly agreed to the registration and financial accounting requirements in September 2005, but succeeded in preserving an anonymity provision for their donors. As of January 2006, approximately 7,000 of Pakistan’s estimated 13,000 madrasas had registered with authorities. In a more controversial step, the Pakistani government also demanded that madrasas expel all of their foreign students by December 31, 2005. Of an estimated 1,700 foreign madrasa students, 1,000 had reportedly left Pakistan by January 1, 2006. Some nationalist and Islamist groups have vehemently resisted the government’s efforts, and authorities have made public statements indicating that they do not plan to use force or shut down noncompliant madrasas in order to enforce the directives.
Carson is either willfully unaware of these issues, or dismisses them for reasons he has not made clear yet. To be fair to him, just because there are problems with the institution in one country does not mean there are problems in every country, nor that there would necessarily be problems in this country. Moreover, Carson’s reasons for supporting the introduction of madrasa-style learning are, with the exception of one disturbing statement that “the foundation [of education] is the Koran,” basically secular. He cites madrasas’ ability to cope with multiple learning styles, for instance, and claims they employ an educational model to facilitate innovation.
Fair enough, but if these concerns are what Carson wants to see addressed, what confuses us is why he brings up madrasas as his example in the first place. Surely they are not the only schools that employ this model. Perhaps, given that he is one of two Muslim congressmen in the United States, he is simply speaking about what he knows best. But if that’s the case, one has to wonder who he fancies himself a congressman for – the people of Indiana, or simply the Muslims he appears to be speaking to in this video.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/muslim-congressman-model-americas-schools-after-madrasas/
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McWay - do you have a problem with it?
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Bum - Loco - any other fundies
what is your opinion on this ?
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McWay - do you have a problem with it?
Nope, as long as there is Jihad mess going on there.
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Nope, as long as there is Jihad mess going on there.
not sure what that means
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Nope, as long as there is Jihad mess going on there.
You want Jihad leanings to be present????
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Lulz @ the epic backfire.
I don't really know how to feel about this issue - IMHO the public schools are an epic failure that is corrupted as fuck - but I don't really agree with vouchers to go to religious institutions either, especially not radical religious organizations.
I just.. don't know.
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You want Jihad leanings to be present????
OOPS!! That should have read, "as long as there is NO Jihad mess going on there."
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Lulz @ the epic backfire.
I don't really know how to feel about this issue - IMHO the public schools are an epic failure that is corrupted as fuck - but I don't really agree with vouchers to go to religious institutions either, especially not radical religious organizations.
I just.. don't know.
Some public schools don't want to participate in the program (probably pressured by unions). Plus, thanks to the a Supreme Court case 10 years ago (Zelman v. Simmons-Harris), as long as the vouchers go to the parents and the value is the same across the board, the parents can pick any school they want that will take them, including religious schools.
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Public schools are an epic fail beyond words.
Double the costs - half the results - THE GOVERNMENT WAY!
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The main problem I have, is that the public schools today seem to have taken on the same problems that many people have complained of religious institutions, the teachers push their own agenda's and try and indoctrinate students rather than teaching them actual facts and letting the students make up their own minds.
This seems to becoming extreme in the public schools today, they're not supposed to be teaching their personal ideology or bias, they're supposed to be teaching FACTS and HISTORY and letting the students find their own way.
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OOPS!! That should have read, "as long as there is NO Jihad mess going on there."
I could say the same about fundie schools not teaching hatred or bigotry on nonsense about the Lochness monster as proof of evolution
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I have no problem w this unless it is proven they are teaching radical Islam. public school system is a failure x 100.
its a failure because they keep puling money out of them for stupid programs like vouchers.....also..the systematic defunding of urban schools starting in the 1980's caused this problem to get worse...not to mention the children who come from broken families are out of control
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I could say the same about fundie schools not teaching hatred or bigotry on nonsense about the Lochness monster as proof of evolution
Let me guess: You want Christian schools to start condoning homosexuality to be eligible for vouchers.
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its a failure because they keep puling money out of them for stupid programs like vouchers.....also..the systematic defunding of urban schools starting in the 1980's caused this problem to get worse...not to mention the children who come from broken families are out of control
It was a failure LONG before vouchers came to the scene. Has it ever occurred to you that some black people don't want to WAIT for the liberals to get their acts together, as it relates to public schools?
Broken families are a result of cultural decline. Having babies out of wedlock used to be SHAMEFUL. Now, it's practically encouraged. Yet, people act surprised when the results are often disastrous.
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its a failure because they keep puling money out of them for stupid programs like vouchers.....also..the systematic defunding of urban schools starting in the 1980's caused this problem to get worse...not to mention the children who come from broken families are out of control
Yeah, has nothing to do with shitty teachers holding on to their job while they fire the good teachers because they dont have enough "seniority", the pensions, the Unions, etc, etc.
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Yeah, has nothing to do with shitty teachers holding on to their job while they fire the good teachers because they dont have enough "seniority", the pensions, the Unions, etc, etc.
You win "Teacher of the Year"; you get laid off. Short of raping students, these bad teachers are almost impossible to fire.
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Let me guess: You want Christian schools to start condoning homosexuality to be eligible for vouchers.
They don't have to condone anything
Just don't teach hatred
Same thing you want from Muslim schools
If you still want to teach the kids that the Loch Ness monster is real and is proof of creationism I guess I don't really care. I mean somebody in the future is going to have to work at McDonald or clean the bathroom at my gym. It might as well be your kids.
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They don't have to condone anything
Just don't teach hatred
Same thing you want from Muslim schools
If you still want to teach the kids that the Loch Ness monster is real and is proof of creationism I guess I don't really care. I mean somebody in the future is going to have to work at McDonald or clean the bathroom at my gym. It might as well be your kids.
LOL - yet public school teachers pissing all over this country and indoctrinating these young kids into marxist bullshit is ok by you?
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They don't have to condone anything
Just don't teach hatred
Same thing you want from Muslim schools
If you still want to teach the kids that the Loch Ness monster is real and is proof of creationism I guess I don't really care. I mean somebody in the future is going to have to work at McDonald or clean the bathroom at my gym. It might as well be your kids.
Most of the public schools teach evolution. Yet, many of those kids can't even spell the word.
What's your excuse for their stupidity?
As for your claim of learning creationism resulting in an inferior education, I must have missed that, en route to getting my engineering degree.
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LOL - yet public school teachers pissing all over this country and indoctrinating these young kids into marxist bullshit is ok by you?
Nope. I wouldn't like that but luckily it doesn't exist anywhere except inside your diseased brain
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Nope. I wouldn't like that but luckily it doesn't exist anywhere except inside your diseased brain
he makes so much shit up i have a hard time to read his post :o
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he makes so much shit i have a hard time to read his post :o
This is why people are beginning to despise the public schools. They are becoming leftist training centers.
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he makes so much shit up i have a hard time to read his post :o
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Most of the public schools teach evolution. Yet, many of those kids can't even spell the word.
What's your excuse for their stupidity?
As for your claim of learning creationism resulting in an inferior education, I must have missed that, en route to getting my engineering degree.
I'm sure you believe that too
Once you believe that an unknown and likely mythical creature actually exists and then go on to assume what that mythical creature is and then go on to conclude that the mythical creature proves
your favorite bible story its pretty easy to believe pretty much anything you want
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I'm sure you believe that too
Once you believe that an unknown and likely mythical creature actually exists and then go on to assume what that mythical creature is and then go on to conclude that the mythical creature proves
your favorite bible story its pretty easy to be pretty much anything you want
You believe the foolishness that kids who are taught Creation are destined to flip burgers and clean bathrooms.
Again, explain why our kids in this country (most of whom go to public schools, that teach evolution) are way behind kids from other countries, particularly in math and science.
Try that on for size.
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You believe the foolishness that kids who are taught Creation are destined to flip burgers and clean bathrooms.
Again, explain why our kids in this country (most of whom go to public schools, that teach evolution) are way behind kids from other countries, particularly in math and science.
Try that on for size.
Not all of them but probably most of the ones who believe in the Loch Ness monster theory of creationism. I guess they could also work at the creationism musuem and maybe not just cleaning the bathrooms. They could probabaly work at the "ride a dinosaur exhibit
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You win "Teacher of the Year"; you get laid off. Short of raping students, these bad teachers are almost impossible to fire.
how come there were no such thing as "bad teachers" when we were growing up???
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the systematic defunding of urban schools starting in the 1980's
Please forgive the tax paying community for wanting THEIR money to be spent on educating THEIR children.
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how come there were no such thing as "bad teachers" when we were growing up???
Because we were a better nation that had more pride back then before education was hijacked by the hard leftists like yourself.
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Because we were a better nation that had more pride back then before education was hijacked by the hard leftists like yourself.
education was never hijacked as you put it by the hard leftists......sigh...why even bother???
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This is why people are beginning to despise the public schools. They are becoming leftist training centers.
where is the Marxism is these clips and why are you pretending that shit like this is something new
Back in 2006 and at the White House (with a national audience).......
I'm sure the irony will be lost on you
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/04/17/out-of-the-mouths-of-babes/
At the annual White House Easter Egg Roll, children from the stricken Gulf Coast region serenaded First Lady Laura Bush with a song praising the beleaguered Federal Emergency Management Agency.
To the tune of Hey Look Me Over, about 100 young children from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama sang:
Our country’s stood beside us
People have sent us aid.
Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade.
Congress, Bush and FEMA
People across our land
Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!
After the song, Mrs. Bush posed for photos with the kids, many of whom were wearing Katrina Kids T-shirts, despite the chilly rain.
btw- when I was in high school they made us watch a movie about what a great guy Reagan was
same old shit
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how come there were no such thing as "bad teachers" when we were growing up???
I went to private school for most of my childhood. So, I can't answer that, as far as public school teachers go.
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This is why people are beginning to despise the public schools. They are becoming leftist training centers.
Dollars to donuts, we won't be seeing any wee lads, singing the praises of Romney if he wins.
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You believe the foolishness that kids who are taught Creation are destined to flip burgers and clean bathrooms.
Again, explain why our kids in this country (most of whom go to public schools, that teach evolution) are way behind kids from other countries, particularly in math and science.
Try that on for size.
Because they are stupid bible whores like yourself who doesnt believe in math or science?
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I went to private school for most of my childhood. So, I can't answer that, as far as public school teachers go.
Now i get why you spport Romney ;)
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Now i get why you spport Romney ;)
Ghettobama went to private schools as well as his daughters.
What say you about that slave?
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You believe the foolishness that kids who are taught Creation are destined to flip burgers and clean bathrooms.
Again, explain why our kids in this country (most of whom go to public schools, that teach evolution) are way behind kids from other countries, particularly in math and science.
Try that on for size.
Because it's not "cool" in America to be smart.
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Ghettobama went to private schools as well as his daughters.
What say you about that slave?
You know what this means: ;)
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Ghettobama went to private schools as well as his daughters.
What say you about that slave?
I thought you were Obama's slave
that's what you called yourself at least a few times last week
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I thought you were Obama's slave
that's what you called yourself at least a few times last week
Obama is trying to make slaves out of all taxpayers to his communist regime.
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Obama is trying to make slaves out of all taxpayers to his communist regime.
I don't feel like a slave but I know that feel that you're Obama's slave and he is your master
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I don't feel like a slave but I know that feel that you're Obama's slave and he is your master
That is because you are a suck up to the king.
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That is because you are a suck up to the king.
LOL - how exactly am I sucking up
You mean because I pay for my own health insurance
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Because it's not "cool" in America to be smart.
Here are some examples of the attitudes toward the gifted...
kid sounds like a dumb shit
Most of these prodigies and uber geniuses have something wrong with them. It is an abnormality that makes them so smart but they tend to lack in other areas, most of them physically and socially. It's like those idiot savants that come off as retards but can play a full Mozart symphony at the age of 5.
there has been many stories on these little Prodigies, but has anyone ever keep up with them to see what has become of their future?........I'm not so sure if they gonna become the next Albert Eistein
He will be locked in a lab for the rest of his life, solving physic equations and become a complete social retard.
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Because they are stupid bible whores like yourself who doesnt believe in math or science?
My degree is in engineering, GENIUS!! I've probably forgotten more math and science than you will ever know.
Now, if you're done acting dumb (for which you should probably get an Oscar), try explaining why public schools in which Bible reading is hardly allowed and Creation not taught, keeps resulting in rock-headed kids who get clobbered by their counterparts overseas, despite spending tons of money on education.
Now i get why you spport Romney ;)
This would be more bone-headed assertions on your part, that anyone who went to private school comes from a rich family.
My mother wasn't rich and worked two jobs to put me through private school. She even learned how to drive a semi-tractor trailer to pay my tuition. In high school, I worked to pay off part of my tuition (either on campus, flipping burgers at Burger King, or working on construction sites).
I support Romney, in part, because he isn't trying to take other people's money, unlike Obama and the rest of the Democrats. Goofs like you, who think you're entitled to other people's cash, only validate that support.
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My degree is in engineering, GENIUS!! I've probably forgotten more math and science than you will ever know.
Now, if you're done acting dumb (for which you should probably get an Oscar), try explaining why public schools in which Bible reading is hardly allowed and Creation not taught, keeps resulting in rock-headed kids who get clobbered by their counterparts overseas, despite spending tons of money on education.
This would be more bone-headed assertions on your part, that anyone who went to private school comes from a rich family.
My mother wasn't rich and worked two jobs to put me through private school. She even learned how to drive a semi-tractor trailer to pay my tuition. In high school, I worked to pay off part of my tuition (either on campus, flipping burgers at Burger King, or working on construction sites).
I support Romney, in part, because he isn't trying to take other people's money, unlike Obama and the rest of the Democrats. Goofs like you, who think you're entitled to other people's cash, only validate that support.
if you're such a smart-ass engineering genius why couldn't you figure out that cell-tech is bullshit????
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if you're such a smart-ass engineering genius why couldn't you figure out that cell-tech is bullshit????
You bought 14 lbs of it and BRAGGED about it on this site, Mr. "I-eat-like-a-bird-and-my-training-is-lackluster......".
Besides, I've never complained about the product, other than the taste of one particular flavor (Orange). It's done what I expected it to do: A small spike in strength and increased/maintenance of bodyweight,
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You bought 14 lbs of it and BRAGGED about it on this site, Mr. "I-eat-like-a-bird-and-my-training-is-lackluster......".
Besides, I've never complained about the product, other than the taste of one particular flavor (Orange). It's done what I expected it to do: A small spike in strength and increased/maintenance of bodyweight,
I kinda believe that using that shit gave me diabetes..with all the sugar in it
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I kinda believe that using that shit gave me diabetes..with all the sugar in it
Lol. dude , WTF is wrong w you? do you need to learn how ro work out? try Rushfit for 8 weeks.
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I kinda believe that using that shit gave me diabetes..with all the sugar in it
PLEASE!! With, by your own accounts, a lousy diet, you probably ate candy bars or some other form of junk with WAY MORE SUGAR than a serving of Cell-Tech.
What that has to do with my engineering degree (which I mentioned, in light of Whork's stupid comment about my not liking math or science, because of my faith and/or belief in Creation) I'd love to know.
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that was many years ago.....I was around your neighborhood today..took the #4 train at the woodlawn stop
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that was many years ago.....I was around your neighborhood today..took the #4 train at the woodlawn stop
Why didn't you stop and say hello?
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PLEASE!! With, by your own accounts, a lousy diet, you probably ate candy bars or some other form of junk with WAY MORE SUGAR than a serving of Cell-Tech.
What that has to do with my engineering degree (which I mentioned, in light of Whork's stupid comment about my not liking math or science, because of my faith and/or belief in Creation) I'd love to know.
just trying to get the subject off your lies about having an engineering degree :)
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Why didn't you stop and say hello?
that Woodlawn stop has gone downhill with the beggars hanging out there and by the pizza shop..had to give a guy 50 cents today
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that Woodlawn stop has gone downhill with the beggars hanging out there and by the pizza shop..had to give a guy 50 cents today
I told you - Woodlawn has gone to shit. The micks left and now the garbage jamaicans from Wakefield are polluting the nabe.
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just trying to get the subject off your lies about having an engineering degree :)
If there's one thing about which I don't need to lie, it's my degree. I have it, from an HBCU to boot over 15 years ago.
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I told you - Woodlawn has gone to shit. The micks left and now the garbage jamaicans from Wakefield are polluting the nabe.
what are the boundaries of Woodlawn anyway..I have always been confused about that
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If there's one thing about which I don't need to lie, it's my degree. I have it, from an HBCU to boot over 15 years ago.
alright alright, take it easy, showoff! :)
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what are the boundaries of Woodlawn anyway..I have always been confused about that
Cemetery to the south, Webster and Bronx River Road to the East, Yonkers aqueduct to the North, and 87 to the West.
I'm originally from the guinea stronghold of Morris park and Williamsbridge Road as well as Arthur Ave, but I have been in Woodlawn since 2004.
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Cemetery to the south, Webster and Bronx River Road to the East, Yonkers aqueduct to the North, and 87 to the West.
I'm originally from the guinea stronghold of Morris park and Williamsbridge Road as well as Arthur Ave, but I have been in Woodlawn since 2004.
oh I go over to Morris Park and Williamsbridge all the time.....I used to go to a comic book store on Williamsbridge....I'm sure you remember it....its closed now but it was right across from Carvel which I still frequent.....got the Tuxedo for my wedding there as well......Morris Park has some nice pizza shops as well..I also used to teach at the Lutheran school on the corner of Morris Park and Williamsbridge back in 1998-99