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Neil Peart is the greatest drummer in rock and roll. Like Mike Mentzer, he worships Ayn Rand. I feel Neil would have been a better, more complete person if he was a huge, ripped, jacked bodybuilder. Thoughts?
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great post.....
yeah, so... how ya been?
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Neil Peart is the greatest drummer in rock and roll. Like Mike Mentzer, he worships Ayn Rand. I feel Neil would have been a better, more complete person if he was a huge, ripped, jacked bodybuilder. Thoughts?
Nothing in the world could make Neil a better person. No other drummer comes close to him. Did you know that he is not Rush's original drummer? He came on prior to their 2nd album Fly By Night. I went to every concert of theirs from the first album to Farewell to Kings. 2112 was the best concert and album of theirs IMO by far.
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Nothing in the world could make Neil a better person. No other drummer comes close to him. Did you know that he is not Rush's original drummer? He came on prior to their 2nd album Fly By Night. I went to every concert of theirs from the first album to Farewell to Kings. 2112 was the best concert and album of theirs IMO by far.
John Rutsey was the first Rush drummer. He quit the band to become a pro bodybuilder. I think Neil would have fulfilled more of a destiny had he become an enormous Markus Ruhl sized bodybuilder.
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definitely,bodybuilding will help with any endeavor in life.
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John Rutsey was the first Rush drummer. He quit the band to become a pro bodybuilder. I think Neil would have fulfilled more of a destiny had he become an enormous Markus Ruhl sized bodybuilder.
That's the guy! Thank you. I was too lazy to Google it. Everyone should do some blotter, window pane, microdot, or some old school acid and listen to 2112 at least once in your life. I did that probably 30-40 times.
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That's the guy! Thank you. I was too lazy to Google it. Everyone should do some blotter, window pane, microdot, or some old school acid and listen to 2112 at least once in your life. I did that probably 30-40 times.
Imagine Neil Peart with the physique of Mike Mentzer?
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Imagine Neil Peart with the physique of Mike Mentzer?
I bet Geddy would like to imagine that.
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how the hell would an enormous bodybuilder be able to have the concise speed and robotic precision as peart? personally I prefer a more organic rock n roll drummer.
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GUY HAS HAD SOME TOUGH BREAKS OVER THE YRS ,,,ROLLS ON,,, ON HIS MOTORCYCLE,,WRITES SOME INTERESTING LYRICS.
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John Rutsey has been dead for awhile. :-\
Neil Peart is perfect as is, as is Geddy and Alex. There is no better band than Rush.....no one even comes close.
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(http://drummertalk.org/wp-content/uploads/neil_peart-450x300.jpg)
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John Rutsey has been dead for awhile. :-\
Neil Peart is perfect as is, as is Geddy and Alex. There is no better band than Rush.....no one even comes close.
Well said slut. ;)
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is bikini slut really a chik?
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is bikini slut really a chik?
In my fantasy she is. But not for sure. I figure I have a 50/50 chance. :-\
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In my fantasy she is. But not for sure. I figure I have a 50/50 chance. :-\
It did jump rather quickly to defend a poor single mom from mean ole' Wiggs in another thread - there is a strong possibility she's either a chick, or a highly effeminate crossdresser.
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It did jump rather quickly to defend a poor single mom from mean ole' Wiggs in another thread - there is a strong possibility she's either a chick, or a highly effeminate crossdresser.
So your saying it is a win-win situation. LOL
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Rush has been my fave band since about '82, when I was 12. Can't say I listen to the band too much these days, but it will always be my all-time favourite (tied with another Canadian band, Annihilator).
Neil is one of rock's greatest drummers, no question. However, there are simply too many awesome drummers to single out just one as "the best".
The original drummer, John Rutsey, was ousted when his health became an issue. And besides, he wanted to continue in a more straight-ahead rock style than did Geddy and Alex.
John at a time (he's now dead) was pursuing bodybuilding but I don't think he ever had a desire to become a pro or anything.
It would be interesting to hear what Peart has to say about Rand these days. What his feelings are about her and her philosophies.
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what was his opinion of her before?
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Neil Peart is the greatest drummer in rock and roll. Like Mike Mentzer, he worships Ayn Rand. I feel Neil would have been a better, more complete person if he was a huge, ripped, jacked bodybuilder. Thoughts?
And like a lot of people, he put away childish isms when he grew up. 2112 is a long time ago. ;D
Love me some Rush, but I'd hesitate to call myself a fan - those people are totally rabid.
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rush's first album was very rock like
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Never been a fan of Rush.
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Neil is one of rock's greatest drummers, no question. However, there are simply too many awesome drummers to single out just one as "the best".
Yep.
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Rush has been my fave band since about '82, when I was 12. Can't say I listen to the band too much these days, but it will always be my all-time favourite (tied with another Canadian band, Annihilator).
Neil is one of rock's greatest drummers, no question. However, there are simply too many awesome drummers to single out just one as "the best".
The original drummer, John Rutsey, was ousted when his health became an issue. And besides, he wanted to continue in a more straight-ahead rock style than did Geddy and Alex.
John at a time (he's now dead) was pursuing bodybuilding but I don't think he ever had a desire to become a pro or anything.
It would be interesting to hear what Peart has to say about Rand these days. What his feelings are about her and her philosophies.
Well, you're wrong. Hope this helps.
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I don't know. I find it quite easy to say he's the best. Most rock drummer polls agree.
You could argue that Bonham created the "rock drummer", Moon was ahead of his time, or that drummers like Carey today are adding to what Neil did. You could even argue that a drummer like Portnoy has better chops, even.
But no one touches Peart - for musical composition, playing, technical prowess, and musicianship (I will say that he's not the best "showman" ala Moon or Portnoy or Buddy Rich - though we're not talking jazz drumming here. If we are, then there's Buddy Rich, and then everyone else). We'll agree to disagree. I say this as a drummer of 20 years. I wouldn't know my elbow from my ass in ranking guitarists, but it seems cut and dry to me.
JAZZ DRUMMER LOUIS BELLSON SP?neil and gonzo,,heck even phil collins was very good till he hung it up to sing,,,
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That's the guy! Thank you. I was too lazy to Google it. Everyone should do some blotter, window pane, microdot, or some old school acid and listen to 2112 at least once in your life. I did that probably 30-40 times.
Never heard it called windowpane or microdot. Only reason I knew what blotter was, was because of Fear and Loathing in las Vegas.
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Never heard it called windowpane or microdot. Only reason I knew what blotter was, was because of Fear and Loathing in las Vegas.
Yea it was a long time ago. Late 70's early 80's. I did my first acid with a bunch of buddies in shop class in 1976, I was 17 yrs old. It was chocolate mescaline. You snorted it. We were all tripping and using the lathe, radial arm saw, drill press, you name it. We made about 30 wooden pot pipes then sold them all at lunch to buy more mesc. It is amazing I still have all my fingers.
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Yea it was a long time ago. Late 70's early 80's. I did my first acid with a bunch of buddies in shop class in 1976, I was 17 yrs old. It was chocolate mescaline. You snorted it. We were all tripping and using the lathe, radial arm saw, drill press, you name it. We made about 30 wooden pot pipes then sold them all at lunch to buy more mesc. It is amazing I still have all my fingers.
Windowpane is going way back. I heard it being reverently talked about when I dropped. Would have loved to try some. :-\
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Well, you're wrong. Hope this helps.
Actually, it doesn't.
Quit being a douche and elaborate.
And he's not wrong.....you are.
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Freewill.
From 2:58 to 4:02 is Rush at the height of their powers, insane
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I don't know. I find it quite easy to say he's the best. Most rock drummer polls agree.
You could argue that Bonham created the "rock drummer", Moon was ahead of his time, or that drummers like Carey today are adding to what Neil did. You could even argue that a drummer like Portnoy has better chops, even.
But no one touches Peart - for musical composition, playing, technical prowess, and musicianship (I will say that he's not the best "showman" ala Moon or Portnoy or Buddy Rich - though we're not talking jazz drumming here. If we are, then there's Buddy Rich, and then everyone else). We'll agree to disagree. I say this as a drummer of 20 years. I wouldn't know my elbow from my ass in ranking guitarists, but it seems cut and dry to me.
Spot on.. as a former drummer of 25 yrs I couldn't have written a better post.
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I don't know. I find it quite easy to say he's the best. Most rock drummer polls agree.
You could argue that Bonham created the "rock drummer", Moon was ahead of his time, or that drummers like Carey today are adding to what Neil did. You could even argue that a drummer like Portnoy has better chops, even.
But no one touches Peart - for musical composition, playing, technical prowess, and musicianship (I will say that he's not the best "showman" ala Moon or Portnoy or Buddy Rich - though we're not talking jazz drumming here. If we are, then there's Buddy Rich, and then everyone else). We'll agree to disagree. I say this as a drummer of 20 years. I wouldn't know my elbow from my ass in ranking guitarists, but it seems cut and dry to me.
Excellent post. Peart is the choice for me as well. he had it all, and an other thing that is overlooked is the production value and tone of his drums, they just sounded good, unlike Carey of today, a great drummer but he has that shitty Nu-metal tone to his kit. Peart's tone was fat.
same with Bonham...had a great sound, instantly recognizable. and Bonham was a funky son of a bitch too, that dude laid down some beats that would make Dr Dre cream his pants.... "when the levee breaks" is monumental, I'm just waiting to hear that beat sampled by some hip-hop producer... but i think Zep doesn't play that shit
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I used to believe the hype about Peart being the best ever, but the more Rush i hear the less convinced i am.
Definitely up there with the best of them, there's no doubt. Though i could choose a personal favourite, i don't think i could narrow it down to a numero uno of all time. There's no one drummer standing way ahead of the real, great drummers, but i could accept someone saying "so-and-so has the edge over the rest of the pack" if it was one of the true legends.
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Peart's definitely one of the best. Carmen Appice is another very solid drummer that deserves some mention. Would probably have wider recognition if he'd played with less acts, though he did a fair bit with Vanilla Fudge.
Covering Zepp's Black Dog -
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John Rutsey has been dead for awhile. :-\
Neil Peart is perfect as is, as is Geddy and Alex. There is no better band than Rush.....no one even comes close.
They are good but no where near the best.
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Rush has been my fave band since about '82, when I was 12. Can't say I listen to the band too much these days, but it will always be my all-time favourite (tied with another Canadian band, Annihilator).
No love for Anvil?
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They are good but no where near the best.
Musically they were amazing, but Geddy Lee's singing got old quick, he sounded like a fairy
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No love for Anvil?
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Musically they were amazing, but Geddy Lee's singing got old quick, he sounded like a fairy
exactly
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Canada had so many great bands in the 80s and early 90's. I still cant figure out how THE TRAGICALLY HIP never made it big in the us. The usa chose to love the fkn barenaked ladies which had to be the most annoying shit band to come out of canada
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Im not a drummer, but the answer to questions like this is usually Big Dick Bob
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Canada had so many great bands in the 80s and early 90's. I still cant figure out how THE TRAGICALLY HIP never made it big in the us. The usa chose to love the fkn barenaked ladies which had to be the most annoying shit band to come out of canada
triumph had some good tunes and rik emmit played a mean lead,,,,rush early stuff all came together and hit big time with 2112 and then live album all the worlds a stage which took those early songs and beefed them up live culminating with peart's great drum solo on working man,,then few more record's with better production again highliting in nthat group there groundbreaker sales wise moving pictures which is a kid's dream cd in early 80's every song a hit or great hard rock classic again a live album tying in those discs then exit stage left,,,again stellar drum solo yyz,,,,then signals and some heavy synth rock stuff people got a bit bored but a good live album again see a pattern here ,,show of hands is decent but great drum solo again live ,,,,next 10 or so yrs they have gone back to signiture sound and a few more live discs lol,,,,,
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Watching Rush right now on VH1. Time Machie 2011 live in Cleveland. Neil's drum set is sick there is shit everywhere.
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triumph had some good tunes and rik emmit played a mean lead,,,,rush early stuff all came together and hit big time with 2112 and then live album all the worlds a stage which took those early songs and beefed them up live culminating with peart's great drum solo on working man,,then few more record's with better production again highliting in nthat group there groundbreaker sales wise moving pictures which is a kid's dream cd in early 80's every song a hit or great hard rock classic again a live album tying in those discs then exit stage left,,,again stellar drum solo yyz,,,,then signals and some heavy synth rock stuff people got a bit bored but a good live album again see a pattern here ,,show of hands is decent but great drum solo again live ,,,,next 10 or so yrs they have gone back to signiture sound and a few more live discs lol,,,,,
Yeah Rush lost me after "moving pictures" they got too synthy and proggy. I liked "Hemishperes" and "permanent waves" the best out of their records
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Watching Rush right now on VH1. Time Machie 2011 live in Cleveland. Neil's drum set is sick there is shit everywhere.
70's and 80's it was larger it looked like part rock/classic symphony stuff all over and around,,,sickest drums from 70's era was probably carl palmer and smallest but biggest sound bohnam hands down.
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Yeah Rush lost me after "moving pictures" they got too synthy and proggy. I liked "Hemishperes" and "permanent waves" the best out of their records
right bro ,,,moving pictures had cool synth but hard rock sound 'arena rock'then,,,hemisheres has some great tunes,,permanent waves actually could have out done moving pictures they started there getting bigger ,,,farewell to kings has got some stuff on there too they were still into space stuff there from 2112...
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right bro ,,,moving pictures had cool synth but hard rock sound 'arena rock'then,,,hemisheres has some great tunes,,permanent waves actually could have out done moving pictures they started there getting bigger ,,,farewell to kings has got some stuff on there too they were still into space stuff there from 2112...
Yep....."moving pictures" is their big record, and has some great tunes "red Barchetta" being my favorite...but for my money "permanent waves" was the better album.
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right bro ,,,moving pictures had cool synth but hard rock sound 'arena rock'then,,,hemisheres has some great tunes,,permanent waves actually could have out done moving pictures they started there getting bigger ,,,farewell to kings has got some stuff on there too they were still into space stuff there from 2112...
Caress of Steel was an incredible album, give it a listen if you haven't.
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Caress of Steel was an incredible album, give it a listen if you haven't.
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i was a monster Rush fan as a kid, had every record. Caress of steel is good early rush
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Caress of Steel was an incredible album, give it a listen if you haven't.
as groink said i had evry record to signals on vinyl,,,remember necromancer on the cover of caress,,,,i mentioned previous post all the worlds a stage was all those 1st raw sounding records put live and sounded great,,lakeside park,anthem,fly by nite,working man,2112 side 2...
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i was a monster Rush fan as a kid, had every record. Caress of steel is good early rush
It wasn't real popular when it came out for one reason, but I burnt it up. I can't imagine the volume of pot and chemicals I consumed while listening to that band. Especially 2112.
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Over-thinking, or being a total Rush fan... ;D
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Over-thinking, or being a total Rush fan... ;D
go hand in hand no?
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rush's first album was very rock like
It is a perfect example of heavy rock (to become "heavy metal") of that time, 1974.
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Well, you're wrong. Hope this helps.
It does. I always heard from friends who knew him at various Toronto gyms that he was a hobbyist in weight training.
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No love for Anvil?
I dig Anvil but the band is nowhere close to being my favourite.
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Canada had so many great bands in the 80s and early 90's. I still cant figure out how THE TRAGICALLY HIP never made it big in the us. The usa chose to love the fkn barenaked ladies which had to be the most annoying shit band to come out of canada
Canada doesn't champion its musical artists to any degree.
Four of my all-time fave guitarists are Canucks:
1. Kim Mitchell (SO underrated it's foolish)
2. Ian Crichton (Saga)
3. Jeff Waters (Annihilator)
4. Alex Lifeson (Rush)
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triumph had some good tunes and rik emmit played a mean lead,,,,rush early stuff all came together and hit big time with 2112 and then live album all the worlds a stage which took those early songs and beefed them up live culminating with peart's great drum solo on working man,,then few more record's with better production again highliting in nthat group there groundbreaker sales wise moving pictures which is a kid's dream cd in early 80's every song a hit or great hard rock classic again a live album tying in those discs then exit stage left,,,again stellar drum solo yyz,,,,then signals and some heavy synth rock stuff people got a bit bored but a good live album again see a pattern here ,,show of hands is decent but great drum solo again live ,,,,next 10 or so yrs they have gone back to signiture sound and a few more live discs lol,,,,,
I own all of Triumph's records and DVDs, but I must admit, a lot of the group's music hasn't aged well for me. Still like it, of course.
As far as Rik is concerned, I do think he is a gifted guitarist, but I also think his least-impressive attribute is his rock soloing (this is being hyper critical, obviously). Never has blown me away. He is a spectacular acoustic player, nylon or steel string.
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as groink said i had evry record to signals on vinyl,,,remember necromancer on the cover of caress,,,,i mentioned previous post all the worlds a stage was all those 1st raw sounding records put live and sounded great,,lakeside park,anthem,fly by nite,working man,2112 side 2...
All the World's a Stage is my favourite live record. Always will be.
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I've actually had lunch with Neil, very nice guy. He loves his BMW's and is really a down to earth guy.
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It doesn't matter how great any one drummer is, in whatever style, Buddy Rich has become the only "acceptable" ( ::) ) answer to the question "Who is the greatest drummer of all time?"
His legend has taken on a life of its own.
As far as Peart rating as number one, I can't conceive of any musician, drummer or otherwise, being able to single out one player as definitively being "the best". Certainly scoring as someone's favourite, but the best? ...
How would anyone calculate such a thing? And how can anyone be aware of every drummer out there plying their craft?
It's impossible to quantify.
And do understand I am a HUGE Rush and Peart fan. There can be no denying the man's monster chops and musicianship.
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I've actually had lunch with Neil, very nice guy. He loves his BMW's and is really a down to earth guy.
That's very cool.
If you don't mind my asking, how'd the lunch come about? You direct friends, have a mutual friend(s), have been a business partner ... ?
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I was riding the coattails of a guitarist that I am very close to, that is all. Nothing more, nothing less, I'm sure he doesn't remember me. There was not one word spoke about music....which I found odd. Fishing, cars, food, wine, and plane delays....that covers it.
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Canada doesn't champion its musical artists to any degree.
Four of my all-time fave guitarists are Canucks:
1. Kim Mitchell (SO underrated it's foolish)
2. Ian Crichton (Saga)
3. Jeff Waters (Annihilator)
4. Alex Lifeson (Rush)
KIM MICHELL???? enlighten me, the only thing I remember about him was that crappy gp for a soda song which sucked donkey cock.
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wasnt voivod from canada? and godsmack??
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John Rutsey has been dead for awhile. :-\
Neil Peart is perfect as is, as is Geddy and Alex. There is no better band than Rush.....no one even comes close.
Lets not start that shit, lots of great bands, would put Rush in the top 25!
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in peart's defense u know u made it when people air drum in a movie to your music or live when people are air drumming.
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KIM MICHELL???? enlighten me, the only thing I remember about him was that crappy gp for a soda song which sucked donkey cock.
He began in the legendary Max Webster and went solo in the early '80s.
(He was playing proto-shred lines in the mid-'70s when VERY few even had a clue, for ONE thing.)
I can't enlighten you. If you know guitar and listen to each of his Max Webster efforts and solo albums, the experience of doing so will enlighten you.
The man is a master of tone, guitar composition, phrasing, has chops for miles, feel out the wazzu, and a natural attack and facility that clearly frames him as a freakin' WICKED guitarist.
P.S. In the early '80s he opened for Van Halen and peer reverence for his talent had reached Eddie, who made it a point to stand sidestage during Kim's gigs to listen to him play. How's that for an endorsement? Oh, and a certain Paul Gilbert cites him as being one of his all-time greatest influences, as well.
P.P.S. If you think "Go For Soda" sucks balls, well, that's fine. Subjectivity and all that. But to explore his discography if you're a guitar fan is to become a fan of Mr. Mitchell's playing.
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wasnt voivod from canada? and godsmack??
Voivod, yes ... Godsmack, no.
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KIM MICHELL???? enlighten me, the only thing I remember about him was that crappy gp for a soda song which sucked donkey cock.
Max Webster didn't get enough respect. Nothing mindblowing, but in the "April Wine" era, they more than held their own.
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When I fly into Toronto for my job I liked going to Jeff Healey's Roadhouse. At the end Jeff got into a Jazz deal and forgot the blues which I thought was a mistake. He was cool and a very nice guy.
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dave lombardo
charlie benante
pete sandoval
george kollias
gene hoglan
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Max Webster didn't get enough respect. Nothing mindblowing, but in the "April Wine" era, they more than held their own.
Nothing mindblowing?!
To each his own, I guess.
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dave lombardo
charlie benante
pete sandoval
george kollias
gene hoglan
Some incredible talent in that list of metal bashers, for sure!
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70's and 80's it was larger it looked like part rock/classic symphony stuff all over and around,,,sickest drums from 70's era was probably carl palmer and smallest but biggest sound bohnam hands down.
Agree with that,Palmer was incredible! Loved ELP incredible musicians!
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Agree with that,Palmer was incredible! Loved ELP incredible musicians!
Carl Palmer=vastly overrated drunk
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Neil Peart is the greatest drummer in rock and roll. Like Mike Mentzer, he worships Ayn Rand. I feel Neil would have been a better, more complete person if he was a huge, ripped, jacked bodybuilder. Thoughts?
Unquestionably
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He began in the legendary Max Webster and went solo in the early '80s.
(He was playing proto-shred lines in the mid-'70s when VERY few even had a clue, for ONE thing.)
I can't enlighten you. If you know guitar and listen to each of his Max Webster efforts and solo albums, the experience of doing so will enlighten you.
The man is a master of tone, guitar composition, phrasing, has chops for miles, feel out the wazzu, and a natural attack and facility that clearly frames him as a freakin' WICKED guitarist.
P.S. In the early '80s he opened for Van Halen and peer reverence for his talent had reached Eddie, who made it a point to stand sidestage during Kim's gigs to listen to him play. How's that for an endorsement? Oh, and a certain Paul Gilbert cites him as being one of his all-time greatest influences, as well.
P.P.S. If you think "Go For Soda" sucks balls, well, that's fine. Subjectivity and all that. But to explore his discography if you're a guitar fan is to become a fan of Mr. Mitchell's playing.
He's also the afternoon DJ for Q107, as I'm sure you know. And he's good at that, too.
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He's also the afternoon DJ for Q107, as I'm sure you know. And he's good at that, too.
Yes, I am aware, but thanks, anyway.
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Kinda related... Joey Kramer, drummer for Aerosmith lives in my neck of the woods and I've run into him several times at the local HEB buying groceries. Except for the rocker type clothes that only a real rocker at that age could pull off, just your average joe
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Kinda related... Joey Kramer, drummer for Aerosmith lives in my neck of the woods and I've run into him several times at the local HEB buying groceries. Except for the rocker type clothes that only a real rocker at that age could pull off, just your average joe
Kinda related? Huh?
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Kinda related? Huh?
Yes, I think he would be a better person if he was a huge bodybuilder ;)
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Neil Peart is the greatest drummer in rock and roll. Like Mike Mentzer, he worships Ayn Rand. I feel Neil would have been a better, more complete person if he was a huge, ripped, jacked bodybuilder. Thoughts?
Ayn Rand worshipers = stupid people trying to look smart.
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bbers are great musicians
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.Peart was awesome on the Signals album.
i had moving pictures and exit stage left 'live'cd from that tour in my car past few days non stop ,amazing power trio/arena rock.peart especially on 'red barchetta'and yyz drum sound and beat is unreal.geddy and alex around him create such a textured sound to fill in around the obvious 'fan'favorite peart live and the guy writes some interesting songs .