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What does this discovery mean exactly? Does this prove the Big Bang Theory? Does this put another nail in the coffin of god, or does it boost the claim the he created everything out of nothing? I need the scholars of Getbig to enlighten me on this recent turn of events.
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It basically means the Higgs field model of what gives "mass" to stuff is correct.
The boson is the elemental particle that when interacting in space gives mass to other particles and hence, to the physical world.
Also, if anyone has anything about the boson and the string theory id appreciate the gesture.
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I bet my ass this one works !!!
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Meanwhile...
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What does this discovery mean exactly? Does this prove the Big Bang Theory? Does this put another nail in the coffin of god, or does it boost the claim the he created everything out of nothing? I need the scholars of Getbig to enlighten me on this recent turn of events.
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Oh, and its not a recent turn of events, its not a turn of events at all, the Higgs model has been the model sinceit was proposed, the super collision shit was build exactly for that.
Nothing will change in terms of theoretical physics for the years to come, just deeper research in the theory. As for the big bang, it nor confirms nor denies as the model has been applied to the big bang theory for decades already.
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10 Billion dollars...
Todays war on terror cost what 10 times that much? just imagine what we could do with all that money.
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July 6, 2012
Our Political Black Hole
By GAIL COLLINS
Scientists in Geneva announced this week that they had found a new subatomic particle that they were 99.999999 percent sure was the elusive Higgs boson, nicknamed the “God particle.” Even though we had no earthly idea what that meant, we were definitely excited.
It’s given us so much to think about: how existence began, the structure of the universe, the difference between bosons and fermions. And, of course, what it will mean to the presidential race.
The first thing all patriotic Americans are going to want to know is why something this important happened elsewhere. The Large Hadron Collider, where the physicists did the work, was built by the European Organization for Nuclear Research. We were building a Superconducting Super Collider of our own, in Waxahachie, Tex., but Congress stopped the financing for it in 1993.
“It’s disheartening that a large number of fairly intelligent people could do such a thing,” said Leon Lederman, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist, when the budget-cutting House of Representatives ended the program. This was, of course, a long time ago, back when Americans still undertook expensive, daring construction projects and believed the House of Representatives had a large number of fairly intelligent people.
But about the Higgs boson. As Dennis Overbye explained in The Times, it is “the only manifestation of an invisible force field, a cosmic molasses that permeates space and imbues elementary particles with mass.” And we have so many questions. Does it provide evidence of the existence of parallel worlds? If so, is it possible to move to one that doesn’t have Michele Bachmann?
Most of all, however, we want to know who this helps in the election:
WOLFEBORO, N.H. — Mitt Romney today denounced Barack Obama for allowing Europe to beat the United States at particle physics research. Under his administration, Romney vowed, “All particles that bind the earth together will be discovered in America, by Americans and for Americans.”
Under questioning from reporters, Romney said that his favorite kind of subatomic particle is the fermion.
SOMEWHERE ON A BUS — Speaking to a crowd of blue-collar workers in Ohio, President Barack Obama hailed the scientific news from Geneva as “a great moment in history, not unlike my rescue of the auto industry.” The physicists who made the discovery, Obama noted, all had health insurance.
TRENTON — Gov. Chris Christie today called for the privatization of the Higgs boson. “Binding the earth together is something that could be handled much more efficiently by the for-profit sector,” the Republican governor and deeply available vice-presidential prospect said. “Auctioning off the rights to the Higgs boson will create American jobs and balance American budgets.”
When a reporter noted that the boson was discovered in Switzerland, Christie called him “stupid” and “off-topic.”
CEDAR FALLS, IOWA — Rick Santorum today denounced the European Organization for Nuclear Research for discovering something that is nicknamed the God particle. “If God had wanted there to be a particle, he’d have given it to Adam and Eve,” said Santorum, who is traveling through the Hawkeye State this week because, really, he doesn’t have much else to do.
WOLFEBORO, N.H. — Aides to Mitt Romney said the former governor’s favorite kind of subatomic particle is actually the boson.
SOMEWHERE ELSE ON A BUS — President Barack Obama told a crowd of blue-collar workers that there have been more Higgs bosons discovered during his administration than during those of both George Bushes combined.
WOLFEBORO, N.H. — Mitt Romney said today that when he called for an American effort to beat the Europeans in particle physics research, he did not actually mean spending money to build a supercollider, but merely “the need for our physicists to think harder.” The Republican presidential contender said he believed this could be accomplished by “the elimination of onerous, physics-research-killing regulations.”
JUST OUTSIDE OF WOLFEBORO, N.H. — Protesters today passed out cartoons of Mitt Romney with a large, cuddly looking Higgs boson strapped to a crate on the front of his jet ski.
WASHINGTON — Surrogates for Barack Obama and Mitt Romney sparred over the meaning of the potential discovery of the Higgs boson. On “Meet the Press,” Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana called it “a questionable throw of the dice by the same folks who gave us the euro.”
On “Face the Nation,” David Axelrod, the Obama campaign communications director, said that if the Large Hadron Collider had been acquired by Bain Capital it would have been “burdened with debt and sold for scrap metal” and that Romney would be “the most anti-physics president since Franklin Pierce.”
NEW YORK — Donald Trump told reporters that “my people in Hong Kong” have uncovered evidence that America’s failure to take the lead in subatomic particle research was because of a conspiracy between the Obama administration and unnamed Chinese industrialists. He also said that he had invited the Higgs boson to be a contender on “All-Star Celebrity Apprentice.”
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July 6, 2012
Our Political Black Hole
By GAIL COLLINS
Scientists in Geneva announced this week that they had found a new subatomic particle that they were 99.999999 percent sure was the elusive Higgs boson, nicknamed the “God particle.” Even though we had no earthly idea what that meant, we were definitely excited.
It’s given us so much to think about: how existence began, the structure of the universe, the difference between bosons and fermions. And, of course, what it will mean to the presidential race.
The first thing all patriotic Americans are going to want to know is why something this important happened elsewhere. The Large Hadron Collider, where the physicists did the work, was built by the European Organization for Nuclear Research. We were building a Superconducting Super Collider of our own, in Waxahachie, Tex., but Congress stopped the financing for it in 1993.
“It’s disheartening that a large number of fairly intelligent people could do such a thing,” said Leon Lederman, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist, when the budget-cutting House of Representatives ended the program. This was, of course, a long time ago, back when Americans still undertook expensive, daring construction projects and believed the House of Representatives had a large number of fairly intelligent people.
But about the Higgs boson. As Dennis Overbye explained in The Times, it is “the only manifestation of an invisible force field, a cosmic molasses that permeates space and imbues elementary particles with mass.” And we have so many questions. Does it provide evidence of the existence of parallel worlds? If so, is it possible to move to one that doesn’t have Michele Bachmann?
Most of all, however, we want to know who this helps in the election:
WOLFEBORO, N.H. — Mitt Romney today denounced Barack Obama for allowing Europe to beat the United States at particle physics research. Under his administration, Romney vowed, “All particles that bind the earth together will be discovered in America, by Americans and for Americans.”
Under questioning from reporters, Romney said that his favorite kind of subatomic particle is the fermion.
SOMEWHERE ON A BUS — Speaking to a crowd of blue-collar workers in Ohio, President Barack Obama hailed the scientific news from Geneva as “a great moment in history, not unlike my rescue of the auto industry.” The physicists who made the discovery, Obama noted, all had health insurance.
TRENTON — Gov. Chris Christie today called for the privatization of the Higgs boson. “Binding the earth together is something that could be handled much more efficiently by the for-profit sector,” the Republican governor and deeply available vice-presidential prospect said. “Auctioning off the rights to the Higgs boson will create American jobs and balance American budgets.”
When a reporter noted that the boson was discovered in Switzerland, Christie called him “stupid” and “off-topic.”
CEDAR FALLS, IOWA — Rick Santorum today denounced the European Organization for Nuclear Research for discovering something that is nicknamed the God particle. “If God had wanted there to be a particle, he’d have given it to Adam and Eve,” said Santorum, who is traveling through the Hawkeye State this week because, really, he doesn’t have much else to do.
WOLFEBORO, N.H. — Aides to Mitt Romney said the former governor’s favorite kind of subatomic particle is actually the boson.
SOMEWHERE ELSE ON A BUS — President Barack Obama told a crowd of blue-collar workers that there have been more Higgs bosons discovered during his administration than during those of both George Bushes combined.
WOLFEBORO, N.H. — Mitt Romney said today that when he called for an American effort to beat the Europeans in particle physics research, he did not actually mean spending money to build a supercollider, but merely “the need for our physicists to think harder.” The Republican presidential contender said he believed this could be accomplished by “the elimination of onerous, physics-research-killing regulations.”
JUST OUTSIDE OF WOLFEBORO, N.H. — Protesters today passed out cartoons of Mitt Romney with a large, cuddly looking Higgs boson strapped to a crate on the front of his jet ski.
WASHINGTON — Surrogates for Barack Obama and Mitt Romney sparred over the meaning of the potential discovery of the Higgs boson. On “Meet the Press,” Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana called it “a questionable throw of the dice by the same folks who gave us the euro.”
On “Face the Nation,” David Axelrod, the Obama campaign communications director, said that if the Large Hadron Collider had been acquired by Bain Capital it would have been “burdened with debt and sold for scrap metal” and that Romney would be “the most anti-physics president since Franklin Pierce.”
NEW YORK — Donald Trump told reporters that “my people in Hong Kong” have uncovered evidence that America’s failure to take the lead in subatomic particle research was because of a conspiracy between the Obama administration and unnamed Chinese industrialists. He also said that he had invited the Higgs boson to be a contender on “All-Star Celebrity Apprentice.”
Zzz Zzz Zzz. Thanks bro, next time post the cliffs notes using your own intellect to decifer this shit. Fuck you and fuck obama.
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Zzz Zzz Zzz. Thanks bro, next time post the cliffs notes using your own intellect to decifer this shit. Fuck you and fuck obama.
Sorry to post something far too challenging for your little brain to handle "irongrip400". I forgot that anything more than a paragraph takes you at least an hour to get through with the help of a dictionary. :(
Don't worry, five more years and your long national nightmare will end. ;D
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so god felt the need to create this to start life as we know it? uh... not buying it...
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so god felt the need to create this to start life as we know it? uh... not buying it...
"God" particle is just a name, short form of "goddamn particle".
Easier than calling it the Falcon Particle I guess.
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What does this discovery mean exactly? Does this prove the Big Bang Theory? Does this put another nail in the coffin of god, or does it boost the claim the he created everything out of nothing? I need the scholars of Getbig to enlighten me on this recent turn of events.
It is an object that come out of my dick when i bust a nut it has the ability to create life when it touches a pussy, but since you bust your nut on the computer keyboard your object becomes null and void and we simply call it a useless particle.
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Higgs boson was sent to earth by Satan to trick us.
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Boy this particle has eliminated God.
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billions of dollars spent, they need to announce something, its all a load of BS
whatever you tell me, no one can explain the start, things didnt just happen on their own,
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Boy this particle has eliminated God.
Yes, what they can't seem to figure out is God created the particle..LOL.
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Yes, what they can't seem to figure out is God created the particle..LOL.
Which God? Oh let me guess...the Christian God. ::)
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Which God? Oh let me guess...the Christian God. ::)
Yep.
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Sorry to post something far too challenging for your little brain to handle "irongrip400". I forgot that anything more than a paragraph takes you at least an hour to get through with the help of a dictionary. :(
Don't worry, five more years and your long national nightmare will end. ;D
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This mud duck cuts and pastes garbage that it can't even read, then it accuses others of needing dictionaries? Tell the spook to fuck off! Worthless just like the rest of 'em.
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Yes, what they can't seem to figure out is God created the particle..LOL.
That is total bull and a wild statement with no evidence to back up your statement. Totally based on faith, which does not say much. LOL LOL
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These morons listen to the demon Allah about the bozo particle, meanwhile BDB time travels like it's going out of style.
Do you prefer to go forwards in time or backwards in time BDB?
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Do you prefer to go forwards in time or backwards in time BDB?
I think BDB could do both at the same time :o :o
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10 Billion dollars...
Todays war on terror cost what 10 times that much? just imagine what we could do with all that money.
Imagine where we would be today if only "they" realized the types of people who were behind the "dark ages"
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It really depends what kind of pussy I'm looking for old school or new school bro. One time I traveled back in time with Sly Stallone and a dude painted a pic of me and Sly. Have you seen the thread about it?
BDB, you have been more verbal these last few days. What gives?
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That is total bull and a wild statement with no evidence to back up your statement. Totally based on faith, which does not say much. LOL LOL
Do you think that particle just pulled itself out if it's ass? Hahahaha
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Do you think that particle just pulled itself out if it's ass? Hahahaha
Ugh, you have no concept of anything. I dont know how the particle got here, but neither do you. You cant say for a certainty that it was Christian God that created that particle. You have FAITH that God did it, but faith does not equal evidence.
It may have very well been a god, but maybe not a god of the christian bible. As of now, you have zero evidence to prove it was the god of the bible.
Go ahead and prove it. You cant HAHAAHHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAHA!! FAIL!
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I'd also like an explanation. Like everything in QP it seems awfully counterintuitive. Particles given their mass by virtue of interaction with another particle? Noninteracting particles which therefore have no mass? Peculiar shit.
Nevermind the Higgs. I don't understand the notion of defining mass as a quality of something, in this case elementary particles. Having mass, extension in space, existence which is perpetuated from moment to moment - these seem like implied conditions of things which exist. I have trouble wrapping my head around particles (physical objects) which don't independently embody prerequisite properties of physical existence.
Physically exist? Then you have mass. Got mass? Then you exist physically. It's an innate property of existence ffs. To think that something is sitting there existing without mass and then something else comes along and gives it its mass is plain weird. Presumably the thing that gives it it's mass (the Higgs) itself has mass? Or are you gonna tell me that mass is generated through the interaction of two massless particles? And if the Higgs does have mass, how does it get it? More Higgs interaction?
I can only speculate that my understanding of mass and theirs are different. I guess if you define mass as drag or inertia in the pea soup noumena of space (which always sounded like a rebranding of the 'ether' to me)? Bueller? Anyone?
Please stop arguing about something as arbitrary as the nickname of this thing. It's really silly. It has nothing to do with any religion.
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These morons listen to the demon Allah about the bozo particle, meanwhile BDB time travels like it's going out of style.
I am a traveler of both time and space, to be where I have been.
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Thats a fat pussy.
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This thread rains on my progress of mankind parade.
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This thread rains on my progress of mankind parade.
Whats god spelled backwards? We have been trained to be obedient since the advent of the written word.
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Whats god spelled backwards? We have been trained to be obedient since the advent of the written word.
I banged your mom (spelled backwards) last night.
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http://gawker.com/5923618/the-non+nerds-guide-to-the-god-particle-the-holy-grail-of-particle-physics
The Non-Nerd’s Guide to the God Particle, the Holy Grail of Particle Physics
Max Read
It's barbecue season, and you need to sound smart while drinking beer around your charred meat. But how will you discuss the most important scientific news of the year — and maybe of the decade — if you don't know anything about it? It's okay. We're here to explain what "the God Particle" is, and whether or not the Europeans found it.
What is the God Particle?
The "God Particle" is the name physicist and author Leon Lederman gave to the Higgs boson in his book The God Particle: If the Universe Is the Answer, What Is the Question? It's meant to communicate the importance of the particle to "our" (LOL, like you and I have any clue) understanding of physics; Lederman has also said that he settled for "the God Particle" because his intended title, "the Goddamn Particle," was rejected by the publisher.
The news media has generally preferred calling it "the God particle" because who on earth in their right mind would ever read an article about "the Higgs boson"; also, the name pisses scientists off to no end, which is a good reason to keep using it, as often as posible.
Okay, but, in that case, what's the Higgs boson?
Well, at its simplest, it's a hypothetical particle that physicists believe gives all other particles mass.
Hypothetical?
Yeah: "Higgs boson" isn't the name of a particle that scientists have seen and observed and recorded with their enormous magic science binoculars; it's the name of a particle whose existence has been predicted by physicist Peter Higgs (among others: Robert Brout, François Englert, Gerald Guralnik, C.R. Hagen, and Tom Kibble).
He predicted it, like a fortune-teller? Like it's a hover-board, or something?
Not... quite.
So, over the course of the last five or six decades, particle physicists have been developing a mathematical model for their field that explains, more or less, what the fundamental particles of the universe are and how they interact.
But because fundamental particles aren't the kind of thing you can rent a house for in Miami and watch as things get real, the Standard Model started as a reverse engineering of the universe, based on what we (haha, you know, "the collective knowledge of humanity," not Gawker Readers) could say was true with a reasonable degree of certainty thanks to experiments and what theorists could extrapolate from that — a series of sort of educated guesses, or predictions, about what the particles are and how they act at parties. It's a bit like being in a room, blindfolded, and having to draw a picture of its layout: you know one wall is here, and you bumped into another wall there, so you can figure out with varying degrees of certainty the location and size of the other walls, and where the corners are as well.
As scientists are able confirm the existence of certain particles through experimentation — in other words, find the other walls — and observe the ways those particles (or walls) deviate from what the Standard Model predicts, physicists are able to modify and refine their theory. In 1983, for example, physicists at CERN (the European Organization for Nuclear Research) found evidence of two bosons — the W and the Z — that had been predicted by Steven Weinberg, Sheldon Glashow and Abdus Salam when they laid out the Standard Model in the 1960s. It was a big deal.
And so the Standard Model predicts the existence of the Higgs boson?
Yes. In this sense, "predicts" means something like "requires in order to exist." It's the last particle left to be "seen" by scientists, and without it, the Standard Model doesn't really work. Physicists are hoping to observe (as best they can) the Higgs experimentally — or even better, something similar to, but slightly different from, the Higgs — to help confirm that they're on the Right Track.
Why would it be better if it wasn't the Higgs?
The hunt for evidence of the Higgs boson has been the major focus of particle physics for years now. If physicists find the Higgs exactly as it's predicted to exist in the Standard Model, it's kind of boring. They know that the model, being partially theoretical, is unlikely to be a completely accurate picture of the universe at the atomic level. If they can find a particle that does the same work and fulfills the same function as the (theoretical) Higgs, but has certain differences, it helps them modify and refine the Standard Model — which in turn helps point the way toward new work.
Okay. So what is "the work" that the Higgs does?
Like I said, it gives some of the other particles mass.
Helpful.
Okay. So. The Higgs boson is a quantum — the minimum possible amount — of this thing called the Higgs field. To paraphrase a famous scientist: the Higgs Field is what gives a particle its mass. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together. (Hypothetically, of course! Remember: we assume the Higgs Field exists because math that describes the universe very well wouldn't work if we didn't include the Higgs Field in it.)
Without the Higgs Field, all elementary particles — the six kinds of quarks, electrons and the other five leptons, photons, gluons and the Z and W bosons — would be massless and move at the speed of light. This would not be a very fun universe; or, it might be fun, but fun would be a meaningless concept because nothing would exist. With the Higgs Field, however, some particles slow down: in interacting with the field, they gain mass, and move through the field with more difficulty. (At this level, we should be aware, mass and size don't correlate; mass is a characteristic like electric charge and particles with different masses are the same size.)
Physicist John Ellis uses a winter sports-based analogy: the Higgs Field is like snow. Photons and other massless particles are like skiers, barely interacting with the snow and zipping around on it; slightly more massy particles are the snowshoers, who interact more with the snow and therefore move more slowly; and the massiest particles, like the Z boson, are people like you, totally unprepared, interacting heavily, and miserably, with the snow in boots, that probably have holes in them. And the snowflakes themselves —
— are the Higgs boson.
Exactly. The quanta that make up the field.
I still don't really get it.
That's okay! I have a bunch more analogies to try:
The Cocktail Party Analogy. This is one of the oldest, and most famous: imagine watching a cocktail party from above, because you are, say, a ghost, that floats above the cocktail party. Suddenly, a celebrity — Jesus, say, or Dog the Bounty Hunter — enters and starts to walk across the room. As the Jesus/Dog walks through the room, party guests cluster around him, slowing him down. At the same time, a non-celebrity — a Gawker blogger, for example — enters through another door and gathers no one: his speed is unhindered. In this analogy, the party is the Higgs Field, the partygoers are Higgs bosons, Dog the Bounty Hunter is a massy particle and the lonely Gawker blogger is a photon or something similar. (Note that in terms of human behavior I think this analogy works better set on the steps of a courthouse following a highly newsworthy trial, where the lawyers are massy particles and the reporters are Higgs bosons. I don't think that clustering-around-a-celebrity-at-a-party thing really happens, does it?)
The Sugar and Ping Pong Balls Analogy. In this great Guardian video, science writer Ian Sample puts a bunch of ping pong balls on a tray and shakes them. This is the universe before the Higgs field. He then pours sugar on the tray and puts the ping-pong balls back on; tray shaken, the balls now move more slowly, caught in the sugar. This is the Higgs field; the individual sugar grains are bosons.
The Pool Analogy. Physicist Don Lincoln compares the Higgs Field to a pool, and water molecules to Higgs bosons. Massy particles are like scientists and bloggers — awkward and slow in the pool; less massy particles are like barracudas: streamlined and quick.
Okay. This sort of makes sense, if I don't think about it too much. But how do we find a Higgs boson?
Right. Between 1998 and 2008, CERN built the world's largest (and highest-energy) particle accelerator, the imaginatively-named Large Hadron Collider. Basically it's a 17-mile elliptical tunnel 500 feet below the ground in which scientists can send particles flying at each other at insane, near-light-speed speeds.
When those particles collide at high speeds, their energy is transmuted into new, high-energy particles, like, scientists hope, the Higgs boson. Ideally, physicists could smash protons together until they created a Higgs and then take a photo and dust off their hands.
There are a few problems, though. One is that we can't really observe a Higgs boson directly — it almost instantaneously decays into other particles (bottom quarks, in this case) with the same mass as the Higgs. Furthermore, a lot of particles decay into the same byproduct, so even if you end up with bottom quarks you can't be exactly sure that they came from a Higgs. Another problem is that the Standard Model doesn't predict an exact mass for the Higgs, just a range.
So scientists need to observe millions and millions of collisions, and pay special attention to those collisions that end up as bottom quarks weighing (collectively) in the 122 giga electron volt to 130 giga electron volt (those are real units, I swear to God) range. They then compare those results to two predictions: one, the predicted results if the Higgs exists, and two, the predicted results if the Higgs doesn't. As scientists pile up more data, they can watch their figures hew more closely to one or the other theory. If their results look like the results of the "Higgs exists" prediction, they can say they've found it — or something like it.
So did they? Find it?
Well, no, but, basically yes.
Essentially what the physicists at CERN announced on Wednesday is that two different teams, each observing and processing data from particle collisions, had detected the existence of a particle with a mass around 125 GeV. (And, furthermore, that these detections have a one in 3.5 million chance — five standard deviations, or "five sigma," — of being a mistake.)
So really what the scientists have found is evidence that a "Higgslike" particle exists. They'll be spending the next several years fucking around with it to see how it ticks — in particular, like I said before, to see how it might deviate from the Standard Model's prediction.
And what happens if it deviates?
Who knows? Probably, we will open a wormhole in the atmosphere that leads to another dimension where people ride dinosaurs like horses.
Really???
No. But if it points us in a new direction that the Standard Model doesn't currently cover, we might be able to start explaining, in lengthy and performatively casual blog posts, stuff like why the universe is matter and not antimatter, or what dark matter is, exactly.
Cool.
Yeah.
Would've liked to see dinosaurs, though.
Me too, man. Me too.
Do you know any jokes about the Higgs boson?
A Higgs boson walks into a Catholic church. The priest says "we don't allow hypothetical particles in here." The boson says, "but without me you can't have mass!"