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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Soul Crusher on July 09, 2012, 08:25:06 AM
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http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/obamavsbush
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Typical of the anti-war left - stay silent when its obama war mongering.
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Have to wait on the docs to quit first. Since they are the ones who will be marching and torching the cities.
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bout time we got a president willing to do what needs to be done.
the generals screamed while bush let bin laden escape the north road at tora bora - leaving it unbombed while a 1,000 car convoy led Osama out of the country to pakistan. Delta force had his ass PINPOINTED but Bush needed a boogeyman to keep his wars going.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora
So yes, anyone bitching about how obama does things (killing bin laden and actually engaging the enemy in afghanistan) can suck a fat one.
bush wanted this to be a never ending war with bad guys alive. Obama wants to win fast and keep bases there.
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bout time we got a president willing to do what needs to be done.
the generals screamed while bush let bin laden escape the north road at tora bora - leaving it unbombed while a 1,000 car convoy led Osama out of the country to pakistan. Delta force had his ass PINPOINTED but Bush needed a boogeyman to keep his wars going.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora
So yes, anyone bitching about how obama does things (killing bin laden and actually engaging the enemy in afghanistan) can suck a fat one.
bush wanted this to be a never ending war with bad guys alive. Obama wants to win fast and keep bases there.
LMFAO. And what does that have to do w Afghanistan exactly and the fact that Obama owns this since he got the surge he asked for?
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bout time we got a president willing to do what needs to be done.
the generals screamed while bush let bin laden escape the north road at tora bora - leaving it unbombed while a 1,000 car convoy led Osama out of the country to pakistan. Delta force had his ass PINPOINTED but Bush needed a boogeyman to keep his wars going.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tora_Bora
So yes, anyone bitching about how obama does things (killing bin laden and actually engaging the enemy in afghanistan) can suck a fat one.
bush wanted this to be a never ending war with bad guys alive. Obama wants to win fast and keep bases there.
This has to be one of your dumbest comments in a long time. What, pray tell, has Obama done to fix the Pakistan issue? Oh wait, that's right, NOTHING.
How is he engaging the enemy, by the way? We've gone backwards in progress over the last 3 1/2 years. Not that I expect you to have any fucking idea as to what you're talking about as you don't actually read anything and instead rely on concocting absolute lies out of thin air.
By the way, keep avoiding the thread on last month's jobs numbers, you little bitch.
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LMFAO. And what does that have to do w Afghanistan exactly and the fact that Obama owns this since he got the surge he asked for?
the fuck are you laughing aobut? Bush could have killed bin laden in 2001, we now have a shitload of proof he knew exactly where he was.
OBL escaped because we were okay with that. Shit like that is unacceptable and way bigger than "how come cindy douchebag sheehan isn't marching"
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the fuck are you laughing aobut? Bush could have killed bin laden in 2001, we now have a shitload of proof he knew exactly where he was.
OBL escaped because we were okay with that. Shit like that is unacceptable and way bigger than "how come cindy douchebag sheehan isn't marching"
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So we got OBL, should have left after that - but have lost 70% since your king has become potus - that is ok?
Dude - you are so fucked up its not funny.
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This has to be one of your dumbest comments in a long time. What, pray tell, has Obama done to fix the Pakistan issue? Oh wait, that's right, NOTHING.
How is he engaging the enemy, by the way? We've gone backwards in progress over the last 3 1/2 years. Not that I expect you to have any fucking idea as to what you're talking about as you don't actually read anything and instead rely on concocting absolute lies out of thin air.
By the way, keep avoiding the thread on last month's jobs numbers, you little bitch.
I already addressed that thread. I pointed out that 58k or whatever was patentic - even tho mass liberals like romney said the economy is recovering - even though rick scott bragging about 11 straight months of job growth - I feel the economy is horrible. I posted friday morning on 33's thread as soon as he started it. I cited romney and rick scott, specifically. first page of thread.
To your other point - casualties are up because troop numbers are up. We lost a shitload of men in iraq during the Surge too - and it worked. This is the equiv of an afghan surge - look at troop levels. Rummy never had enough men in afghanistan - obama is changing that. as enemies are engaged, they take their last stand, and our troops do die, sadly. It happens anytime you surge.
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So we got OBL, should have left after that - but have lost 70% since your king has become potus - that is ok?
Dude - you are so fucked up its not funny.
We've lost 70% more because we TRIPLED the # of US forces in afghanistan since dumbfuck bush left office.
DO you not understand the relationship?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34318712/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/t/mullen-afghan-surge-will-increase-casualties/
mullen - the top military man in the US - told us ahead of time that casualties would unfortunately rise when we tripled our forces. This always happens.
I didn't hear you complain about the spike in US casulaties when Bush spiked troops in iraq. weird.
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How is he engaging the enemy, by the way? We've gone backwards in progress over the last 3 1/2 years.
Sen Diane Feinswine agrees with you.
NATO and the US military, however, insist that taleban has lost at least 10% power, attack capability in the last 2 years thanks to increased US presence.
http://www.wcvb.com/news/national/Taliban-weaker-in-Afghanistan-NATO-says/-/9848944/12981334/-/3k70ga/-/index.html
Now, if i had to roll with an opinion, i'd prefer it not be feinswine.
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Here you can read one of the top neocon voices in america, explaining exactly why surges result in FIRST an increase in lost troops, then a drop in troop deaths because the bad guys have finally been terminated.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2008/05/05/22784/boot-surge/?mobile=nc
Council on Foreign Relations Senior Fellow Max Boot = One of the wisest men in America, and a very storng conservative and supporter of the Iraqi troops surge.
He echoes the military sentiment. I'm sorry if you don't agree with him - but it's your right to do so.
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LMAO @ the role reversals lol
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I despised gwb for letting the wars linger on and same w obama. Not one more soldier is worth it for these muslim filth.
LMAO @ the role reversals lol
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i dont know that obama is letting the wars linger. I think he's keeping the bases there because, well, only people who have sex with donkeys still deny the wars were about bases and oil.
But as far as killing all the MFing bad guys - well, he's doing it. Our troops will 'be there' for decades, but the fighting will be done quickly. he left iraq and after the surge we'll end battle in afghanistan (although always keep the bases- see: people who have sex with donkeys for alternate belief)
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33, I delivered 4 really good posts, detailing my posts with conservative backing. you ignored them. at least call me a stupid fck, or tell me i'm right/wrong.
for once, i stuck to the point and addressed everything you said - instead of being a shitface troll.
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I despised gwb for letting the wars linger on and same w obama. Not one more soldier is worth it for these muslim filth.
i agree we shouldn't be there, but GWB did a much better job of letting linger in war than OB has.
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33, I delivered 4 really good posts, detailing my posts with conservative backing. you ignored them. at least call me a stupid fck, or tell me i'm right/wrong.
for once, i stuck to the point and addressed everything you said - instead of being a shitface troll.
heheheheheheheheeheh
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33, I delivered 4 really good posts, detailing my posts with conservative backing. you ignored them. at least call me a stupid fck, or tell me i'm right/wrong.
for once, i stuck to the point and addressed everything you said - instead of being a shitface troll.
Maybe I suffer from dyslexia, but I don't see anyone arguing (except for you) WHY we lost men.
I think the point here is the double standard by some on the left, and most in the media. Wheres the outrage??
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Maybe I suffer from dyslexia, but I don't see anyone arguing (except for you) WHY we lost men.
I think the point here is the double standard by some on the left, and most in the media. Wheres the outrage??
the outrage doesn't really matter as it was explainable and logical in both instances. When the BUSH increased troop levels and the resulting increase in casualties ensued the dems cried about it and it was logically explained. The same goes here.
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the outrage doesn't really matter as it was explainable and logical in both instances. When the BUSH increased troop levels and the resulting increase in casualties ensued the dems cried about it and it was logically explained. The same goes here.
Help me out, you're essentially saying that the outrage was unwarranted and that it should be brushed away, right?
Not saying you're right or wrong, just trying to decipher what you said.
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Maybe I suffer from dyslexia, but I don't see anyone arguing (except for you) WHY we lost men.
I think the point here is the double standard by some on the left, and most in the media. Wheres the outrage??
see, to me, cindy sheehan is a bag of donkey poop. she's been that since conception, probably, or birth, depending upon your beliefs.
anyway, it's like arguing about if hitler was evil or if angels cause the tides. we all know it to be true. no sense arguing established fact.
unless we want to just have a circle jerk on how much sheehan sucks. i agree. way overrated as a bass player.
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Help me out, you're essentially saying that the outrage was unwarranted and that it should be brushed away, right?
Not saying you're right or wrong, just trying to decipher what you said.
I am saying on both counts the outrage was unwarranted in the context of each other beucase they are similar except from different sides.
I remember criticizing Bush for it years ago until someone pointed out it was because of the surge, it looks like the same thing here.
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I remember criticizing Bush
Wait a minute. Say that shit again. We bout to have to throw hand or play dozens or dominoes or something.
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I am saying on both counts the outrage was unwarranted in the context of each other beucase they are similar except from different sides.
I remember criticizing Bush for it years ago until someone pointed out it was because of the surge, it looks like the same thing here.
I don't see many on the right outraged at obama for troop deaths. Unless you're talking about the outrage from the right by the lack of outrage from the left, to which i'd argue that - that is in no way parallel to to outrage by the left during bush's time in office.
This thread just reminded me why I don't have the energy to debate politics anymore. :-\
Good day sir.
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I don't see many on the right outraged at obama for troop deaths. Unless you're talking about the outrage from the right by the lack of outrage from the left, to which i'd argue that - that is in no way parallel to to outrage by the left during bush's time in office.
This thread just reminded me why I don't have the energy to debate politics anymore. :-\
Good day sir.
So you are looking at he level of outrage now?
There quite few differences between what was going on then, a war based on total bs, irresponsible occupation strategy, focus off of afghanistan, etc. vs trying to get out of the one we are in now.
But you knew all that. ;)
PS: I don't speak for the left or right, I speak for me.
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http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/obamavsbush
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Typical of the anti-war left - stay silent when its obama war mongering.
Obama campaigned on stepping up the war in Afghanistan.......rememb er?
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So you are looking at he level of outrage now?
There quite few differences between what was going on then, a war based on total bs, irresponsible occupation strategy, focus off of afghanistan, etc. vs trying to get out of the one we are in now.
But you knew all that. ;)
PS: I don't speak for the left or right, I speak for me.
Seiously, repubs are not bitching about troop deaths under obama. There is no "level". Both sides are bitching about two totally different things. The left was outraged at bush, the right is outraged by the lack of criticism for obama for doing what bush did and then some. (Lybia?)
I've been around long enough to know you're moderate. No need to get your jimmies in a rustle. :)
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Code Pink has better things to do like fomenting the Islamist takeover of Egypt.
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Code Pink has better things to do like fomenting the Islamist takeover of Egypt.
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seem to have left out Lybia, Gaza , etc. ;D.
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Seiously, repubs are not bitching about troop deaths under obama. There is no "level". Both sides are bitching about two totally different things. The left was outraged at bush, the right is outraged by the lack of criticism for obama for doing what bush did and then some. (Lybia?)
I've been around long enough to know you're moderate. No need to get your jimmies in a rustle. :)
Np, sorry for reacting. :)
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Np, sorry for reacting. :)
Don't be silly.
Besides, I know its kinda tough right now for the socal dispensary scene.
Oops, did i say that. :o :D
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Basically these 83% of docs that are quitting are going to join the military service and fix the Middle East problem until Obamacare is overturned.
Gotcha.