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Documents: Romney didn't manage Bain funds
Fortune (CNN) ^ | July 12, 2012 | Dan Primack
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/07/12/mitt-romney-bain-exit
FORTUNE -- Mitt Romney did not manage Bain Capital's investments after leaving to run the Salt Lake City Olympic Games, according to confidential firm documents obtained by Fortune.
The timing of Romney's departure from Bain became a lightning rod earlier today, when The Boston Globe published an article suggesting that Romney remained actively involved with the firm longer than he and his campaign have claimed. The sourcing is largely SEC documents that list Romney as Bain Capital's CEO and sole shareholder through 2002 -- or three years after Romney officially left to run the Salt Lake City Olympic Games.
These claims are very similar to ones made last week by David Corn in Mother Jones, which we disputed at the time.
Now Fortune has obtained new evidence that supports Romney's version of events.
Bain Capital began circulating offering documents for its seventh private equity fund in June 2000. Those documents include several pages specifying fund management. The section begins:
Set forth below is information regarding the background of the senior private equity investment professionals of Bain Capital. Also listed are certain investment professionals responsible for the day-to-day affairs of the Brookside and Sankaty funds, which are affiliated funds of Fund VII.
It then goes on to list 18 managers of the private equity fund. Mitt Romney is not among them. Same goes for an affiliated co-investment fund, whose private placement memorandum is dated September 2000.
Then there is Bain Capital Venture Fund -- the firm's first dedicated venture capital effort -- whose private placement memorandum is dated January 2001. Romney also isn't listed among its "key investment professionals," or as part of its day-to-day operations or investment committee.
All of this could prove problematic for the Obama campaign, which has spent the day crowing over the Globe story...
"When Mitt Romney ran for governor and now as he's running for president, he consistently claimed he could not be blamed for bankruptcies and layoffs from Bain investments after February 1999 because he departed for the Olympics," said Obama spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter, according to the Globe. "Now, we know that he wasn't telling the truth."
But the contemporaneous Bain documents show that Romney was indeed telling the truth about no longer having operational input at Bain -- which, one should note, is different from no longer having legal or financial ties to the firm.
As Fortune wrote earlier, Romney left Bain suddenly -- rather than as part of an organized transition plan -- after being asked to lead an Olympic organizing committee that had spiraled out of control. Moreover, it was unclear in February 1999 if Romney's leave of absence would be permanent, or if he would return (as he had in 1994, after losing a U.S.Senate race to Ted Kennedy). He didn't formally give up his title and firm ownership until 2002, once the Games had been successful and he was interested in other elective office. In the interim, he continued to fulfill legal obligations such as signing certain documents -- but actual investment and managerial decisions were being made by others.
After being informed of the Bain Capital documents, Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt emailed over the following statement:
"Mitt Romney either misled the American people or misrepresented himself to the SEC. Romney has said he had no authority or responsibility for managing Bain since 1999, but that has been proven false. Regardless of whether he was on the management committee for this particular deal, he remained President, CEO, and Chairman of the Board and he was legally responsible for every investment and decision made by Bain."
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Fortune is an anti-obama rag if there ever was one
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The problem with these kinds of things, is that the people, and the media, dont give a shit about reality - once the 1st story is out there, even if its a lie, people are going to run with it.
They dont care that on buried 4th page is a blurb about how Romney really didnt do what was the headline on page 1 two days ago.
Thats the shitty thing about media politics - they can post bullshit articles and people will store that in their mind - and no matter how many times you debunk it, their minds wont change.
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Fortune is an anti-obama rag if there ever was one
::)
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bump
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please define "left" Bain.
DId he really leave if he was still making $?
DId he really leave if he was still CEO?
I guess you can believe "left" means he shirks all responability but enjoys all profit and title while taking no blame for the mean shit they did at that time.
is that accurate?
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As Fortune wrote earlier, Romney left Bain suddenly -- rather than as part of an organized transition plan -- after being asked to lead an Olympic organizing committee that had spiraled out of control. Moreover, it was unclear in February 1999 if Romney's leave of absence would be permanent, or if he would return (as he had in 1994, after losing a U.S.Senate race to Ted Kennedy). He didn't formally give up his title and firm ownership until 2002, once the Games had been successful and he was interested in other elective office. In the interim, he continued to fulfill legal obligations such as signing certain documents -- but actual investment and managerial decisions were being made by others.
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Obama was attending board meetings for those 3 years, including specifically those for Staples.
I guess you can 'leave' but still be CEO and attend the board meetins, huh? ;)
33, will you concede that IF it is proven Romney (still ceo on paper) was actually ATTENDING BOARD MEETINGS, will you admit he didn't really "leave"?
If false, i'll accept he 'left' but left his name on paper. BUT if he was attending board meetings, will you consider him still a part of Bain?
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Romney testified under oath that he was still attending board meetings for Bain companies in 2002. This should put the issue to rest.
WASHINGTON -- Mitt Romney's repeated claim that he played no part in executive decision-making related to Bain Capital after 1999 is false, according to Romney's own testimony in June 2002, in which he admitted to sitting on the board of the LifeLike Co., a dollmaker that was a Bain investment during the period.
Romney has consistently insisted that he was too busy organizing the 2002 Winter Olympics to take part in Bain business between 1999 and that event. But in the testimony, which was provided to The Huffington Post, Romney noted that he regularly traveled back to Massachusetts. "[T]here were a number of social trips and business trips that brought me back to Massachusetts, board meetings, Thanksgiving and so forth," he said.
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The opening statement delivered by Romney's lawyer in the 2002 hearing said Romney "continued to serve on the board of directors of a significant Massachusetts company and to return here for most of its board meetings."
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Haha, they can't even keep the Dems in line on this and Mr. Dipshit, 180 or Bust, thinks he's onto something. LOL. A man who ran for the senate as a Dem is saying Romney was out in 1999 but 240 in his trailer knows more.
Funny how Blacken and 240 have logged 30x the number of posts on this joke of a topic than they have on last week's atrocious job numbers. Even funnier that the jerk-off known as 240 was actually complaining about people being wrapped up on stupid topics. Pot meet kettle.
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As Fortune wrote earlier, Romney left Bain suddenly -- rather than as part of an organized transition plan -- after being asked to lead an Olympic organizing committee that had spiraled out of control. Moreover, it was unclear in February 1999 if Romney's leave of absence would be permanent, or if he would return (as he had in 1994, after losing a U.S.Senate race to Ted Kennedy). He didn't formally give up his title and firm ownership until 2002, once the Games had been successful and he was interested in other elective office. In the interim, he continued to fulfill legal obligations such as signing certain documents -- but actual investment and managerial decisions were being made by others.
Interesting...did he sign documents authorizing the decisions made by others?
This is a bit murky.
Before you all get your conservative panties in a bundle..... Just wondering.
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Interesting...did he sign documents authorizing the decisions made by others?
This is a bit murky.
Before you all get your conservative panties in a bundle..... Just wondering.
He could have signed the minutes or the some other annual docs that are routine.
I don't even see why this is a story.
The due was doing so well at Bain that he was asked to leave to save thje Olympics and he didnt close everything down on his end first and its some national scandal?
Really? This is what the hacks like 180 want to crusade on vs EVER responding in a thread on the economy or the fiscal nightmare we are in?
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I think what they are trying to do is show that he outsourced jobs and they are drawing the connection that he was still in charge and signed off on these decisions.
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Haha, they can't even keep the Dems in line on this and Mr. Dipshit, 180 or Bust, thinks he's onto something. LOL. A man who ran for the senate as a Dem is saying Romney was out in 1999 but 240 in his trailer knows more.
Funny how Blacken and 240 have logged 30x the number of posts on this joke of a topic than they have on last week's atrocious job numbers. Even funnier that the jerk-off known as 240 was actually complaining about people being wrapped up on stupid topics. Pot meet kettle.
Another dumb non-issue. Romney is right that Obama owes him an apology. Doubt he gets it.
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Another dumb non-issue. Romney is right that Obama owes him an apology. Doubt he gets it.
I'm sure it will happen right after Romney apologizes for his blatant lies about Solyndra or his completely misldeading first official campaign ad
If I've learned anythign from Repubs it's that pereception is reality and if there is even a speck of truth to something then it's fine to push ahead with a full blown lie and say it over and over and over again because eventually people will believe it and then it will be "true"
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This is the basis for the OB charge that Romney is an outsourcer?
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This is the basis for the OB charge that Romney is an outsourcer?
More distraction from Obamas record. Isn't je running on his record again?
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More distraction from Obamas record. Isn't je running on his record again?
Yeah, I wonder what the plan is after this runs out? It kind of lame to attack a guy for being successful and wealthy.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/13/Obama-took-bain-cash
LOL!!!!
Obama took money fromvthe same people he is attacking!
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/13/Obama-took-bain-cash
LOL!!!!
Obama took money fromvthe same people he is attacking!
Omg lol
Did he take it from individuals wh worked for Bain or did he take it from Bain itself?
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Omg lol
Did he take it from individuals wh worked for Bain or did he take it from Bain itself?
Obama is trying to run out the clock and avoid any discussion of his disastrous record.
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Obama is trying to run out the clock and avoid any discussion of his disastrous record.
You are doing that thing again, where you avoid the discussion point I brought up, but instead bring up some blanket attack.
Please try and have a focused "real" discussion with me from now on. ;D
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debunked only in your mind ;D
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This is the basis for the OB charge that Romney is an outsourcer?
Yep. Fail.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/07/13/Obama-took-bain-cash
LOL!!!!
Obama took money fromvthe same people he is attacking!
Oh this is hilarious. :)
Obama Took Cash From Bain Outsourcing Execs
by Ben Shapiro 13 Jul 2012
Barack Obama’s campaign has been quick to rip Mitt Romney for his association with Bain Capital, which outsourced certain jobs during restructuring of companies. There’s only one problem: many of the very executives who were running Bain Capital during the 1999-2002 period now under media scrutiny donated to Obama’s presidential campaign. And Obama was more than happy to cash the checks.
The same SEC form from February 2001 that lists Mitt Romney as “sole shareholder, sole director, Chief Executive Officer and President of Bain Capital … the controlling person of Bain Capital” also lists over a dozen other managing directors of Bain Capital, Inc. -- all of whom were undoubtedly more active than Romney was during this period. And President Obama took money from many of them.
Take Joshua Bekenstein. Bekenstein has been a managing director of Bain Capital since 1986. In 2008, he signed Barack Obama a $4,600 check. In 2004, he gave a $50,000 donation to the Democratic National Committee. That’s outsourcing money, plain and simple. And Obama was happy to take it.
Or how about Stephen Pagliuca? Last year, he cut a $35,800 check to Barack Obama’s Victory Fund. Then he cut another $30,800 check to the DNC. And another $30,800 check to the DCCC. Jonathan Lavine and Mark Nunnelly have both maxed out to Obama already, as well as to the DNC. Lavin was a bundler for Obama, and raised over $100,000 for him. Michael Krupka gave Obama $4,600 in 2008.
As we’ve seen, the leftist media thinks it’s a disaster if a private citizen, Mitt Romney, made money from an investment company that outsourced jobs to save companies. But the leftist media seems perfectly comfortable with Barack Obama cashing checks from the executives who actually made the decisions to outsource.
The truth is that there’s nothing wrong with a private company outsourcing. Democrats know it. Republicans know it. Everybody knows it. But the Obama campaign is hypocritically pointing to Romney’s pocketbook while zealously guarding its own. Apparently, it's fine to outsource so long as the name on the contribution check reads "Barack Obama."
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debunked only in your mind ;D
Debunked in his mind, and in several papers, and reports. But, let's forget about that, because of this joke of a commentator, Martin Bashir, on the red-headed stepchild of cable news. ::)
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again, so fucking what? Romney was so fucking amazing at his job at Bain that they begged him to save the Olympics, which he did, and now they are attacking him over corporate filings ?
Are you stupid liberal fucks amd incompetent illiterate morons so obtuse not to see the Romney is the guy we need now that obama has failed miserable?
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again, so fucking what? Romney was so fucking amazing at his job at Bain that they begged him to save the Olympics, which he did, and now they are attacking him over corporate filings ?
Are you stupid liberal fucks amd incompetent illiterate morons so obtuse not to see the Romney is the guy we need now that obama has failed miserable?
PLEASE!! This is Team Kneepadder that you're addressing, 333386.
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were not going to change mcway view,shit he thought cain was going to win :D :D :D,hey but when you get your news from rush and beck can you expect anything more :D
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PLEASE!! This is Team Kneepadder that you're addressing, 333386.
I am beyond disgusted and revolted by these liberal piece of trash like blackass, 180, straw, etc.
Romney was not my first choice, but guy, he has a record of success! Obama is a disaster and these leftists communist failures prefer fail instead of progress.
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were not going to change mcway view,shit he thought cain was going to win :D :D :D,hey but when you get your news from rush and beck can you expect anything more :D
Look who's talking, the crackpot who gets his news from MSNBC, the biggest JOKE in the industry.
Let's see: The number one and three talk show hosts in the country or the laughingstock (red-headed stepchild) of cable news (heck, of news network, period). Gee....there's a tough one there.
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Bain Capital wanted its clients to know that Mitt Romney wasn’t leaving the company when he went to the Olympics, as Romney now claims was the case.
The press release, which was obtained through a simple Nexis search…appears to contradict claims by both Romney and Bain that he had no involvement in the company’s day-to-day operations after February 11, 1999.
In his most recent financial disclosure form, Romney said he had retired from the firm in February of 1999. “Since February 11, 1999,” the document states, “Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way.”
According to this press release, however, Romney was the firm’s part-time CEO at least through July of 1999, contradicting the Romney campaign’s claim that SEC filings listing him as the firm’s CEO and sole owner were simply a “quirk in the law.”
And a former executive, Mark B. Wolpow, says:
“I reported directly to Mitt Romney . . . You can’t be CEO of Bain Capital and say, `I really don’t know what my guys were doing,’” Mr. Wolpow said of Mr. Romney role at the company during his leave.
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http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/07/13/romney_admitted_in_2002_he_never_cut_ties_to_bain.html
July 13, 2012
Romney Admitted in 2002 He Never Cut Ties to Bain
Politicker: "Back in 2002 when he was running for Governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney and his aides had no problem admitting he retained his position as CEO of Bain Capital after 1999. Press articles from the time describe how Mr. Romney was on a 'leave of absence' after 1999 and had not fully cut ties with the private equity firm."
Dave Weigel quotes a Boston Herald article when Romney left the firm in February 1999: "Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investment and key personnel decisions."
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Bain Capital wanted its clients to know that Mitt Romney wasn’t leaving the company when he went to the Olympics, as Romney now claims was the case.
The press release, which was obtained through a simple Nexis search…appears to contradict claims by both Romney and Bain that he had no involvement in the company’s day-to-day operations after February 11, 1999.
In his most recent financial disclosure form, Romney said he had retired from the firm in February of 1999. “Since February 11, 1999,” the document states, “Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way.”
According to this press release, however, Romney was the firm’s part-time CEO at least through July of 1999, contradicting the Romney campaign’s claim that SEC filings listing him as the firm’s CEO and sole owner were simply a “quirk in the law.”
And a former executive, Mark B. Wolpow, says:
“I reported directly to Mitt Romney . . . You can’t be CEO of Bain Capital and say, `I really don’t know what my guys were doing,’” Mr. Wolpow said of Mr. Romney role at the company during his leave.
And the reason Romney shouldn't be president and Obama should get another four years would be.........
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LMFAO!!!! So he was sp great at his job that they wanted investors to know he was still there right?b. Are you crazy leftists amd communists. Kidding me?
Bain Capital wanted its clients to know that Mitt Romney wasn’t leaving the company when he went to the Olympics, as Romney now claims was the case.
The press release, which was obtained through a simple Nexis search…appears to contradict claims by both Romney and Bain that he had no involvement in the company’s day-to-day operations after February 11, 1999.
In his most recent financial disclosure form, Romney said he had retired from the firm in February of 1999. “Since February 11, 1999,” the document states, “Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way.”
According to this press release, however, Romney was the firm’s part-time CEO at least through July of 1999, contradicting the Romney campaign’s claim that SEC filings listing him as the firm’s CEO and sole owner were simply a “quirk in the law.”
And a former executive, Mark B. Wolpow, says:
“I reported directly to Mitt Romney . . . You can’t be CEO of Bain Capital and say, `I really don’t know what my guys were doing,’” Mr. Wolpow said of Mr. Romney role at the company during his leave.
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http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/07/13/romney_admitted_in_2002_he_never_cut_ties_to_bain.html
July 13, 2012
Romney Admitted in 2002 He Never Cut Ties to Bain
Politicker: "Back in 2002 when he was running for Governor of Massachusetts, Mitt Romney and his aides had no problem admitting he retained his position as CEO of Bain Capital after 1999. Press articles from the time describe how Mr. Romney was on a 'leave of absence' after 1999 and had not fully cut ties with the private equity firm."
Dave Weigel quotes a Boston Herald article when Romney left the firm in February 1999: "Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investment and key personnel decisions."
8% unemployment or higher for FORTY-TWO STRAIGHT MONTHS...under Obama. No wonder you and the other kneepadders keep trying to yap about Bain.
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WASHINGTON -- Between 1999 and 2001, Mitt Romney, then the CEO of Bain Capital, signed at least six documents that the private equity firm filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The documents run in direct contradiction to a claim that Romney has made repeatedly: that he had nothing to do with Bain, and therefore no responsibility for Bain investments, during that period.
It's also a claim he made in August 2011 on the federal disclosure form he filed as part of his presidential bid. Romney didn't leave any wiggle room: "Mr. Romney retired from Bain Capital on February 11, 1999 to head the Salt Lake Organizing Committee [for the 2002 Winter Olympics]. Since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way."
That is false.
SEC files include at least six instances of Romney signing documents after February 1999, proving -- unless the signatures were forged -- that his claim to not have "been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way" is wrong.
Most of the documents reference Romney as the "reporting person." Most of the filings were first reported by Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post, although he noted them in an opinion column otherwise dedicated to demonstrating that Kessler was correct weeks ago when he wrote that Romney had parted ways with Bain in 1999.
For instance, in April 1999, Romney signed documents related to a Bain deal with Pirod Holdings.
In November of that year, his signature appears on documents connected to a deal with Stericycle.
In January 2000, he signed paperwork for a deal with VMM Merger Corp.
His John Hancock appears on ChipPAC Inc. documents in February 2001.
That same month, Romney's signature can be found on paperwork connected to a Bain deal with Integrated Circuit Systems Inc.
In February 2000, he signed documents related to a deal with Wesley Jessen Visioncare Inc.
"There's no contradiction here," a Romney spokesperson told HuffPost in a statement. "He did not participate in the investment or management decisions on any of these or any other investments during this period, as has been said repeatedly by Bain Capital and as was unanimously determined by the bipartisan Massachusetts ballot commission in 2002."
That's not entirely true, either.
As HuffPost reported Thursday, Romney sat in on the board meetings of at least one Bain investment. And the SEC filings back up Romney's own earlier statements involving Bain. In February 1999, the Boston Herald reported that "Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investments and key personnel decisions. But he will leave running day-to-day operations to Bain's executive committee."
In 2002, the Boston Globe quoted Bain employee Marc Wolpow saying, "I reported directly to Mitt Romney ... You can’t be CEO of Bain Capital and say, 'I really don’t know what my guys were doing.'"
Romney later said that he became too busy organizing the Winter Olympics and couldn't fulfill even the basic responsibilities he had outlined to the Herald. Yet in a 2002 hearing in a dispute over whether he was a Massachusetts resident eligible to run for governor, he testified that he still attended board meetings for at least one Bain-affiliated company.
Also in that hearing, he claimed to have taken a temporary leave of absence from Bain to helm the Salt Lake City Olympics.
As part of running for governor, Romney was required to submit personal financial disclosure statements to Massachusetts' State Ethics Commission under threat of perjury. In his 2001 disclosure statement, he listed himself as "Former Executive" for both Bain Capital Inc. and Bain Capital LLC, with a gross income of more than $100,000. But in his 2002 disclosure statement, he provided a different answer, listing himself as "Executive" of Bain Capital Inc. and Bain Capital LLC, with a gross income of more than $100,000. The latter may be one instance in which Romney and the SEC filings agree on his role.
"It is beyond belief that three years went by and this was some sort of clerical mistake," said Charlie Baker, a Democratic political operative who worked on the residency case against Romney.
The Massachusetts Democratic Party is jumping on these latest Bain revelations. "Clearly Mitt Romney isn't telling the truth about when he left Bain Capital. It’s clear he's either lying to the American People or lied to the SEC,” said Kevin Franck, the state party's communications director, in an email.
Perjury before the Massachusetts ethics commission can lead to civil penalties, although the bar for proving perjury is high and, in Romney's case, the statute of limitations has passed.
These latest twists in the Bain narrative look like vindication for Democrat Shannon O'Brien, who lost to Romney in the 2002 governor's race. The former state treasurer had made Romney's role in Bain an issue in the campaign. But at the time, Romney deflected her attacks by denying any involvement in the firm once he joined the Olympic planning effort in Utah, much as he is doing today, with less success.
"Ten years ago, when I ran against Mitt Romney for Governor, my campaign was attacked for misstating the truth about Romney's tenure at Bain Capital. Massachusetts voters were told that Romney was absolutely not the leader of Bain at a time when bankruptcies and layoffs were devastating workers at companies in their portfolio," O'Brien told HuffPost in an email. "Recent news stories now present clear evidence that Mitt Romney didn’t tell the truth to Massachusetts when he ran for Governor in 2002 and he's not telling the truth to the American people today."
O'Brien continued, pushing for the presumptive GOP presidential nominee to release his tax returns and settle issues over his finances now.
"I released my tax returns when I ran for Governor in 2002, and encouraged Mitt Romney to do so as well, but he refused to comply," she wrote. "He should follow the inspiration of his father, George Romney, and other presidential candidates and release 12 years of tax returns so that the American voters have a chance to learn more about the background and ethics of the man who wants to be their president."
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WASHINGTON -- Between 1999 and 2001, Mitt Romney, then the CEO of Bain Capital, signed at least six documents that the private equity firm filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The documents run in direct contradiction to a claim that Romney has made repeatedly: that he had nothing to do with Bain, and therefore no responsibility for Bain investments, during that period.
It's also a claim he made in August 2011 on the federal disclosure form he filed as part of his presidential bid. Romney didn't leave any wiggle room: "Mr. Romney retired from Bain Capital on February 11, 1999 to head the Salt Lake Organizing Committee [for the 2002 Winter Olympics]. Since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way."
That is false.
SEC files include at least six instances of Romney signing documents after February 1999, proving -- unless the signatures were forged -- that his claim to not have "been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way" is wrong.
Most of the documents reference Romney as the "reporting person." Most of the filings were first reported by Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post, although he noted them in an opinion column otherwise dedicated to demonstrating that Kessler was correct weeks ago when he wrote that Romney had parted ways with Bain in 1999.
For instance, in April 1999, Romney signed documents related to a Bain deal with Pirod Holdings.
In November of that year, his signature appears on documents connected to a deal with Stericycle.
In January 2000, he signed paperwork for a deal with VMM Merger Corp.
His John Hancock appears on ChipPAC Inc. documents in February 2001.
That same month, Romney's signature can be found on paperwork connected to a Bain deal with Integrated Circuit Systems Inc.
In February 2000, he signed documents related to a deal with Wesley Jessen Visioncare Inc.
"There's no contradiction here," a Romney spokesperson told HuffPost in a statement. "He did not participate in the investment or management decisions on any of these or any other investments during this period, as has been said repeatedly by Bain Capital and as was unanimously determined by the bipartisan Massachusetts ballot commission in 2002."
That's not entirely true, either.
As HuffPost reported Thursday, Romney sat in on the board meetings of at least one Bain investment. And the SEC filings back up Romney's own earlier statements involving Bain. In February 1999, the Boston Herald reported that "Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investments and key personnel decisions. But he will leave running day-to-day operations to Bain's executive committee."
In 2002, the Boston Globe quoted Bain employee Marc Wolpow saying, "I reported directly to Mitt Romney ... You can’t be CEO of Bain Capital and say, 'I really don’t know what my guys were doing.'"
Romney later said that he became too busy organizing the Winter Olympics and couldn't fulfill even the basic responsibilities he had outlined to the Herald. Yet in a 2002 hearing in a dispute over whether he was a Massachusetts resident eligible to run for governor, he testified that he still attended board meetings for at least one Bain-affiliated company.
Also in that hearing, he claimed to have taken a temporary leave of absence from Bain to helm the Salt Lake City Olympics.
As part of running for governor, Romney was required to submit personal financial disclosure statements to Massachusetts' State Ethics Commission under threat of perjury. In his 2001 disclosure statement, he listed himself as "Former Executive" for both Bain Capital Inc. and Bain Capital LLC, with a gross income of more than $100,000. But in his 2002 disclosure statement, he provided a different answer, listing himself as "Executive" of Bain Capital Inc. and Bain Capital LLC, with a gross income of more than $100,000. The latter may be one instance in which Romney and the SEC filings agree on his role.
"It is beyond belief that three years went by and this was some sort of clerical mistake," said Charlie Baker, a Democratic political operative who worked on the residency case against Romney.
The Massachusetts Democratic Party is jumping on these latest Bain revelations. "Clearly Mitt Romney isn't telling the truth about when he left Bain Capital. It’s clear he's either lying to the American People or lied to the SEC,” said Kevin Franck, the state party's communications director, in an email.
Perjury before the Massachusetts ethics commission can lead to civil penalties, although the bar for proving perjury is high and, in Romney's case, the statute of limitations has passed.
These latest twists in the Bain narrative look like vindication for Democrat Shannon O'Brien, who lost to Romney in the 2002 governor's race. The former state treasurer had made Romney's role in Bain an issue in the campaign. But at the time, Romney deflected her attacks by denying any involvement in the firm once he joined the Olympic planning effort in Utah, much as he is doing today, with less success.
"Ten years ago, when I ran against Mitt Romney for Governor, my campaign was attacked for misstating the truth about Romney's tenure at Bain Capital. Massachusetts voters were told that Romney was absolutely not the leader of Bain at a time when bankruptcies and layoffs were devastating workers at companies in their portfolio," O'Brien told HuffPost in an email. "Recent news stories now present clear evidence that Mitt Romney didn’t tell the truth to Massachusetts when he ran for Governor in 2002 and he's not telling the truth to the American people today."
O'Brien continued, pushing for the presumptive GOP presidential nominee to release his tax returns and settle issues over his finances now.
"I released my tax returns when I ran for Governor in 2002, and encouraged Mitt Romney to do so as well, but he refused to comply," she wrote. "He should follow the inspiration of his father, George Romney, and other presidential candidates and release 12 years of tax returns so that the American voters have a chance to learn more about the background and ethics of the man who wants to be their president."
And the reason Romney shouldn't be president and Obama should get another four years would be.........
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Got love this. An amazing CEO is begged to take over TJE olypimcs on the brink of collapse and now 10 years later the communists are pissed off that certain formalities were not perfectly filed.
Unfucking real. We deserve to collapse with a communist asshole like Ghettobama at this point.
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this is just starting, more to come, romney should just come clean now,just digging himself deeper :D
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this is just starting, more to come, romney should just come clean now,just digging himself deeper :D
Lol!!! Yeah, he was so good at his job that he was begged to save the olypmics that he did and you communists attack him.
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Lol!!! Yeah, he was so good at his job that he was begged to save the olypmics that he did and you communists attack him.
come on man come clean yourself, your no lawyer, ;D this has nothing to do with him doing a great job or the olympics,your just playing dumb ,right
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come on man come clean yourself, your no lawyer, ;D this has nothing to do with him doing a great job or the olympics,your just playing dumb ,right
Then what is it about?
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come on man come clean yourself, your no lawyer, ;D this has nothing to do with him doing a great job or the olympics,your just playing dumb ,right
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/13/john_king_discusses_obamas_bain_allegations.html
This coming from you, who deserves and Oscar for playing dumb.
For all your blathering, you've yet to explain why ANY of this garbage means that Obama should get another four years vs. Romney taking his place.
Again, Obama: 8% unemployment (or higher) for forty-two straight months....enough said.
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Im amazed that this gets so much conversation when the economy is tanking and job numbers are dismal.
So confused.
Must be the Obama camp desperately trying to shift focus and go on the offensive.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/07/13/john_king_discusses_obamas_bain_allegations.html
This coming from you, who deserves and Oscar for playing dumb.
For all your blathering, you've yet to explain why ANY of this garbage means that Obama should get another four years vs. Romney taking his place.
Again, Obama: 8% unemployment (or higher) for forty-two straight months....enough said.
what it shows is once again the repubs picked the wrong guy :o
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"I did NOT have financial relations with that company!" :D :D :D :D :D
now that's some funny shit
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Im amazed that this gets so much conversation when the economy is tanking and job numbers are dismal.
So confused.
Must be the Obama camp desperately trying to shift focus and go on the offensive.
Look at liars N frauds like 180 and blackass. That is why we are done.
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Romney's Got Nothing
Andrew Sullivan
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My italics. He had "no role with regards to" Bain Capital after February 1999 (a very broad statement) - except for being the CEO, and repeatedly returning to Massachusetts for board meetings of Bain-owned companies, which he "attended by telephone if I could not return".
A false SEC filing is a serious offense; to say so is not disgusting. So is potential perjury in 2002 when Romney detailed his continued involvement in Bain-owned enterprises in the period he retained the CEO title and now says he had nothing whatsoever to do with Bain. The SEC filing rules apply to everyone - except, it seems, to Romney, and his well-paid legal and accounting team. They may have so internalized this immunity from any accountability that Romney may indeed genuinely feel disgusted by being called to follow the normal rules, or called out on logical inconsistencies.
I'm getting the feeling that Romney thinks he is above the level of accountability required in a presidential candidate or even in an average ethical businessman. He seems genuinely offended to be directly challenged with facts - which he still won't address or rebut in detail. So he simply huffs and puffs and uses words like "disgusting" for a perfectly valid charge in the big boy world of presidential politics.
This does not seem to me to be like a candidate ready for prime time.
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what it shows is once again the repubs picked the wrong guy :o
8% unemployment (or higher) for 42 straight months.....WHO picked the wrong guy again?
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"I did NOT have financial relations with that company!" :D :D :D :D :D
now that's some funny shit
Four Bain Capital execs (all Dems, at least two Obama supporters) say Romney was gone and these reports the left keeps spewing are FALSE.
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Mccain had it right. Rmoney's handlers better get a clue
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WASHINGTON -- Between 1999 and 2001, Mitt Romney, then the CEO of Bain Capital, signed at least six documents that the private equity firm filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The documents run in direct contradiction to a claim that Romney has made repeatedly: that he had nothing to do with Bain, and therefore no responsibility for Bain investments, during that period.
It's also a claim he made in August 2011 on the federal disclosure form he filed as part of his presidential bid. Romney didn't leave any wiggle room: "Mr. Romney retired from Bain Capital on February 11, 1999 to head the Salt Lake Organizing Committee [for the 2002 Winter Olympics]. Since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way."
That is false.
SEC files include at least six instances of Romney signing documents after February 1999, proving -- unless the signatures were forged -- that his claim to not have "been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way" is wrong.
Most of the documents reference Romney as the "reporting person." Most of the filings were first reported by Glenn Kessler of the Washington Post, although he noted them in an opinion column otherwise dedicated to demonstrating that Kessler was correct weeks ago when he wrote that Romney had parted ways with Bain in 1999.
For instance, in April 1999, Romney signed documents related to a Bain deal with Pirod Holdings.
In November of that year, his signature appears on documents connected to a deal with Stericycle.
In January 2000, he signed paperwork for a deal with VMM Merger Corp.
His John Hancock appears on ChipPAC Inc. documents in February 2001.
someone must
have forged his signature :D :D
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Jas Obama addressed his stint in ghr. Ew party?
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33,
you keep changing the story to "but obama has done this............"
Have we all reached an agreemnt that Romney was a PART TIME employee for those 3 years?
his team said he was. He attended board meetings. He was CEO and stakeholder. He signed documents. This is not leaving and severing ties. This is part-time work.
SO yes, for those outsourcing years, he was a part-time ceo. Hence I can't blame you for changing the topic to Obama.
Romney is standing in dog shit on this one. He didn' tleave. He reduced his capacity to part-time, and said so.
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This is the basis for the OB charge that Romney is an outsourcer?
one problem that nobody of the mind tha romney outsourced these jobs seems to realize is that private equity companies do not control the companies they own.
Generally the previous owner is kept on as a manager and they control the operations of the company.
As a person who has worked for a company owned by a private equity company I have a unique insight into this. The owned company doesnt do what the equity company says just b/c they said to do it.
Cracker Jack U probably could have told you this if he had any sense of character.
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one problem that nobody of the mind tha romney outsourced these jobs seems to realize is that private equity companies do not control the companies they own.
Generally the previous owner is kept on as a manager and they control the operations of the company.
As a person who has worked for a company owned by a private equity company I have a unique insight into this. The owned company doesnt do what the equity company says just b/c they said to do it.
Cracker Jack U probably could have told you this if he had any sense of character.
These leftists attacking mittens over this are beyond stupid. They prefer a failed communist t someone who was so good at his job that he was begged in haste to leave tosave the Olympics
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These leftists attacking mittens over this are beyond stupid. They prefer a failed communist t someone who was so good at his job that he was begged in haste to leave tosave the Olympics
youve gone from saying romney wasn't at bain to saying "WTF is wrong with leftists..."
Are you now admitting romney was still working at Bain from 99 to 02? Attending board meetings, signing documents, etc
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one problem that nobody of the mind tha romney outsourced these jobs seems to realize is that private equity companies do not control the companies they own.
Generally the previous owner is kept on as a manager and they control the operations of the company.
As a person who has worked for a company owned by a private equity company I have a unique insight into this. The owned company doesnt do what the equity company says just b/c they said to do it.
Cracker Jack U probably could have told you this if he had any sense of character.
Some cases yes some cases no. I think The issue will be is whether or not he signed documents authorizing out sourcing. If it is as you say then it's all spin by the dems.
As far as the repub charge of OB receiving money from Bain execs, the question is did he receive it from BAin or were they private contributions from execs as citizens as they were donating to him? Otherwise it's spin by the repubs designed for the stupid.
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Some cases yes some cases no. I think The issue will be is whether or not he signed documents authorizing out sourcing. If it is as you say then it's all spin by the dems.
As far as the repub charge of OB receiving money from Bain execs, the question is did he receive it from BAin or were they private contributions from execs as citizens as they were donating to him? Otherwise it's spin by the repubs designed for the stupid.
it will find a home here :D
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All I know is that I don't want to fuck things up right now. We got all our ducks in a row. The economy is booming, everyone has jobs, there's no sign of new government spending, no tax increases to worry about, and a crappy undergraduate degree costs next-to-nothing but will provide almost endless opportunities for high-earning careers with job security and upward mobility almost guaranteed.
We're gonna throw all of that away on someone who may have had more involvement with a business over a three year period than he initially claimed???
That's insane! It's time we realize just how serious of a defect this is for Mr. Romney and think about what we could be throwing away if he's elected. Who wants to eat chiminy-chengas next year? NOT ME!
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Some cases yes some cases no. I think The issue will be is whether or not he signed documents authorizing out sourcing. If it is as you say then it's all spin by the dems.
He says he had NO ASSOCIATION with bain. His own words; "i had no association after Feb 1999:
oz, do you consider attending board meetings while being paid at least 100k to be some sort of association?
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He says he had NO ASSOCIATION with bain. His own words; "i had no association after Feb 1999:
oz, do you consider attending board meetings while being paid at least 100k to be some sort of association?
You 240 , I sincerely mean this, you are a lying piece of garbage. You know this smear is a joke and yet you are melting down over it all while you ignore things 9000000% worse going on right now.
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You 240 , I sincerely mean this, you are a lying piece of garbage. You know this smear is a joke and yet you are melting down over it all while you ignore things 9000000% worse going on right now.
i will vote romney for president over obama in November.
But there's no denying romney had an association with bain from 99 to 2002. He said he didn't. Why delievr us such an easily provable lie?
I guess you see any admission of romney lying as an endorsement of obama. Not the same, man.
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i will vote romney for president over obama in November.
But there's no denying romney had an association with bain from 99 to 2002. He said he didn't. Why delievr us such an easily provable lie?
I guess you see any admission of romney lying as an endorsement of obama. Not the same, man.
So fucking what? he meant it in terms of running the company. It's not like Bain in 1999 through 2002 was out there destroying the country or killing people.
and for fucks sake - Romney. Left to fucking help save the olypmics! It's not like he ran off and started some criminal enterprise.
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HE LIED FOR THE OLYMPICS :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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So fucking what? he meant it in terms of running the company. It's not like Bain in 1999 through 2002 was out there destroying the country or killing people.
and for fucks sake - Romney. Left to fucking help save the olypmics! It's not like he ran off and started some criminal enterprise.
33,
Romney attempted to use all the "good" from being with Bain - I'm a job supporter.
But he was trying to distance himself from the bad things they did.
he tried to do that by LYING about his time there. He lied, 33. Two days ago, you were mocking the left because "haha they are wrong on this Bain issue". Today, in light of all the facts, you are suddenly saying "So fucking what"
Romney lied. And from 99 to 02, Bain was disposing of fetuses and shipping jobs overseas. That matters.
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Romney. Left to fucking help save the olypmics!
he was paid $285,000 to save the olympics. pretty good payday, considering Bain was sitll paying him at the time.
so fucking what, i know. Mitt could have been impersonating police officers and detaining ppl illegally, woudln't matter to some ppl. Oh what, he did that, didnt he?
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33,
Romney attempted to use all the "good" from being with Bain - I'm a job supporter.
But he was trying to distance himself from the bad things they did.
he tried to do that by LYING about his time there. He lied, 33. Two days ago, you were mocking the left because "haha they are wrong on this Bain issue". Today, in light of all the facts, you are suddenly saying "So fucking what"
Romney lied. And from 99 to 02, Bain was disposing of fetuses and shipping jobs overseas. That matters.
yeah but the olympics ;D
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i said yesterday this shit has just started
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You 240 , I sincerely mean this, you are a lying piece of garbage. You know this smear is a joke and yet you are melting down over it all while you ignore things 9000000% worse going on right now.
Pot kettle
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He says he had NO ASSOCIATION with bain. His own words; "i had no association after Feb 1999:
oz, do you consider attending board meetings while being paid at least 100k to be some sort of association?
I need To see he actual facts first before I decide. There is too much SPiN COCK coming from both sides at the moment.
But 100k for no association is a wonderful deal, where do I sign up for that?
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Some cases yes some cases no. I think The issue will be is whether or not he signed documents authorizing out sourcing. If it is as you say then it's all spin by the dems.
As far as the repub charge of OB receiving money from Bain execs, the question is did he receive it from BAin or were they private contributions from execs as citizens as they were donating to him? Otherwise it's spin by the repubs designed for the stupid.
The company itself has say over its day to day operations OZ, the equity company gives suggestions and funds generally if needed.
they do have the ability to terminate a contract with a current CEO if that person isnt doing what the equity company deems best but the equity company does not control the day to day operations.
What the hell do you think the equity company knows about steel mills? or any other industry that they buy into?
They arent going to get into the details of a companies business that they dont really understand and seeing as they dont run these businesses or are in that industry they let the managers of the company decided how to run their business day to day.
If they approved of any documents it would probably be in the form of a annual budget, maybe emails...
this doesnt matter to me even if true really as it underscores one of issues that obama doesnt seem to understand.
Businesses are outsourcing for a REASON!!!!
FIX THAT!!!!!!!!!!!
if romney is responsible for this is obama responsible for all the outsourcing done by companies funded by the stimulus?
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:)
Easy. Start up a company and grow it beyond imagination and get rewarded for it.
It used to be applauded in this nation, now it is attacked by the inept illiterate leftists.
I need To see he actual facts first before I decide. There is too much SPiN COCK coming from both sides at the moment.
But 100k for no association is a wonderful deal, where do I sign up for that?
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It used to be applauded in this nation, now it is attacked by the inept illiterate leftists.
33, people are upset that romney lied. Not that he was successful - but tha the takes credit for the job creation but distances himself from the fetus disposal and outsourcing. Shady as fck. our bullshit meters are going off.
But 100k for no association is a wonderful deal, where do I sign up for that?
:)
Exactly right. The same people who believe he had "no association" with Bain also believe cain was framed by all those women, etc.
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33, people are upset that romney lied. Not that he was successful - but tha the takes credit for the job creation but distances himself from the fetus disposal and outsourcing. Shady as fck. our bullshit meters are going off.
:)
Exactly right. The same people who believe he had "no association" with Bain also believe cain was framed by all those women, etc.
Oh fucking bullshit. People have been attacking tomney long before this non-issue over nothing.
All this is is a desperate attempt AGAIN to avoid discussing Obama's failed presidency and radical agenda.
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Oh fucking bullshit. People have been attacking tomney long before this non-issue over nothing.
All this is is a desperate attempt AGAIN to avoid discussing Obama's failed presidency and radical agenda.
for the 98th time, i concede obama sucks and is doing a terrible job.
I contend that romney, by shooting himsefl in the foot with such obvious lies, is squandering his chance. Historic opportunity here, and by failing to be bold on policy while lying about his well-documneted past, he's losing ground with voters.
He could have nullified this issue easily by not lying.
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this is about the repub party again not vetting a candidate, remember palin :D
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The company itself has say over its day to day operations OZ, the equity company gives suggestions and funds generally if needed.
they do have the ability to terminate a contract with a current CEO if that person isnt doing what the equity company deems best but the equity company does not control the day to day operations.
What the hell do you think the equity company knows about steel mills? or any other industry that they buy into?
They arent going to get into the details of a companies business that they dont really understand and seeing as they dont run these businesses or are in that industry they let the managers of the company decided how to run their business day to day.
If they approved of any documents it would probably be in the form of a annual budget, maybe emails...
this doesnt matter to me even if true really as it underscores one of issues that obama doesnt seem to understand.
Businesses are outsourcing for a REASON!!!!
FIX THAT!!!!!!!!!!!
if romney is responsible for this is obama responsible for all the outsourcing done by companies funded by the stimulus?
no response from 240 or blacken?
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it's just starting ,more lies to come alot more
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it's just starting ,more lies to come alot more
more lies to be made up, alot more
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more lies to be made up, alot more
Ever see one single post of blackass defending Obama's record and describing why obama should get 4 more years?
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your right romney is making shit up,we agree on that ;D
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The company itself has say over its day to day operations OZ, the equity company gives suggestions and funds generally if needed.
they do have the ability to terminate a contract with a current CEO if that person isnt doing what the equity company deems best but the equity company does not control the day to day operations.
What the hell do you think the equity company knows about steel mills? or any other industry that they buy into?
They arent going to get into the details of a companies business that they dont really understand and seeing as they dont run these businesses or are in that industry they let the managers of the company decided how to run their business day to day.
If they approved of any documents it would probably be in the form of a annual budget, maybe emails...
this doesnt matter to me even if true really as it underscores one of issues that obama doesnt seem to understand.
Businesses are outsourcing for a REASON!!!!
FIX THAT!!!!!!!!!!!
if romney is responsible for this is obama responsible for all the outsourcing done by companies funded by the stimulus?
Still no response?
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Ever see one single post of blackass defending Obama's record and describing why obama should get 4 more years?
he's going to because the repubs run unelectable canidates
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he's going to because the repubs run unelectable canidates
2010 midterms, scott brown, christie, Bob Turner , scott walker, susana martinez, ring any bells?
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Still no response?
does this have anything to do with romney saying he had no part of bain after1999 :D
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2010 midterms, scott brown, christie, Bob Turner , scott walker, susana martinez, ring any bells?
oh i didn't know they were all pres :D
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does this have anything to do with romney saying he had no part of bain after1999 :D
it does to the heart of why that would matter ;)
so still no response then?
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hahaha keep covering for romney thta's what the blind do, romney will always get the moron vote,just like palin did ;D
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hahaha keep covering for romney thta's what the blind do, romney will always get the moron vote,just like palin did ;D
what makes you think Im covering, I presented facts.
facts dont have an agenda they are just facts and I would like to know your take on the facts, thats all so please a legit response.
The company itself has say over its day to day operations OZ, the equity company gives suggestions and funds generally if needed.
they do have the ability to terminate a contract with a current CEO if that person isnt doing what the equity company deems best but the equity company does not control the day to day operations.
What the hell do you think the equity company knows about steel mills? or any other industry that they buy into?
They arent going to get into the details of a companies business that they dont really understand and seeing as they dont run these businesses or are in that industry they let the managers of the company decided how to run their business day to day.
If they approved of any documents it would probably be in the form of a annual budget, maybe emails...
this doesnt matter to me even if true really as it underscores one of issues that obama doesnt seem to understand.
Businesses are outsourcing for a REASON!!!!
FIX THAT!!!!!!!!!!!
if romney is responsible for this is obama responsible for all the outsourcing done by companies funded by the stimulus?
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you are covering your posting shit that has nothing to do with the topic of the tread,your tring to change the subject to cover for your man romney :o
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you are covering your posting shit that has nothing to do with the topic of the tread,your tring to change the subject to cover for your man romney :o
No wonder this nation is fucked up w people as ignorant and the likes of andre, blackass, 180, etc and posts like this.
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you are covering your posting shit that has nothing to do with the topic of the tread,your tring to change the subject to cover for your man romney :o
ask yourself this question blacken, what does it matter if he managed bain capitals funds at that time?
so still no response then yea?
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It mattered enough to mitt to lie about it.
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It mattered enough to mitt to lie about it.
still up for debate, Id like to know what papers he signed.
a response without a response, cudos...
now please address my points.
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still up for debate, Id like to know what papers he signed.
a response without a response, cudos...
now please address my points.
He won't. again 180 and blackass are part of the cult of obama. He gives them orders and they execute. So if you point out the bogus nature of these bain attacks, it does not matter to them until obama gives them permission to refute your points.
They are slaves to obama and if he says bain is bad - then that is all they need to hear.
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still up for debate, Id like to know what papers he signed.
a response without a response, cudos...
now please address my points.
what are your points? nothing to discuss. he claimed no association but attended board meetings.
He claimed no association but was paid 100k for work.
i dont konw what you want me to argue about - some 18 paragaphs from team romney designed to confuse the issue? sa-weet!
Romney lied to avoid the heat he'd take from being there while bain disposed of fetuses and shipped jobs overseas. he was a part-timer, plain and simple, his lawyer said so in a press release. end of thread, romney lied.
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Heard a commentator say Obama is playing "small ball" by talking about this really insignificant dumb stuff. Keeps the focus off Obama's record.
And it works to a degree because his supporters are eating it up.
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Heard a commentator say Obama is playing "small ball" by talking about this really insignificant dumb stuff. Keeps the focus off Obama's record.
And it works to a degree because his supporters are eating it up.
Obama's cult of slaves will do anything to avoid a discussion on the current state of the country.
Notice how 180 logged tons of posts on zimmerman the same day of the jobs report and not one in that entire tjhread? Same w blackass.
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you keep saying 'not one' post on the jobs thread. i did point out romney and rick scott paint a far rosier picture than the actual dismal conditions.
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Obama's cult of slaves will do anything to avoid a discussion on the current state of the country.
Notice how 180 logged tons of posts on zimmerman the same day of the jobs report and not one in that entire tjhread? Same w blackass.
That's exactly who the president is speaking to. It will work with his lapdogs. Will not get him the independent and crossover vote he needs to win.
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That's exactly who the president is speaking to. It will work with his lapdogs. Will not get him the independent and crossover vote he needs to win.
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Heard a commentator rush say Obama is playing "small ball" by talking about this really insignificant dumb stuff. Keeps the focus off Obama's record.
And it works to a degree because his supporters are eating it up.
fixed
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because he's the pres. dummy
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Damned Rich if Romney Does, Damned Rich If He Doesn't
Posted 07/13/2012 07:19 PM ET
Election '12: The Obama campaign has reached new depths of hypocrisy and mendacity in accusing its GOP opponent of a felony. Mr. President, let he who is without secrets guarded like Fort Knox cast the first stone.
For a Barack Obama operative to accuse Mitt Romney of misrepresenting his chairmanship at Bain Capital to the Securities and Exchange Commission over a decade ago, "which is a felony," as Stephanie Cutter said, reveals the desperation of a presidential re-election campaign that must distract Americans from its dismal economic record.
But it also raises other issues, including: this president's willingness to run on lies, his refusal to practice what he preaches, and the outrageous negligence of the Democrats' powerful lapdogs in the media.
First, the Boston Globe, whose July 12 story Cutter parroted, seemed to be intentionally misleading by saying that, "Government documents filed by Mitt Romney and Bain Capital say Romney remained chief executive and chairman of the firm three years beyond the date he said he ceded control."
Because of the suddenness with which Romney left Bain to save the Salt Lake City Winter Olympic Games in 1999, during which ownership was being legally transferred to a group of partners, it would have been out of order — possibly unlawful — for Romney's name not to be on the documents Bain filed with the SEC.
The Washington Post's Fact Checker even slapped the Globe with "Three Pinocchios" and "were tempted to award this claim Four Pinocchios ... ."
This is not the first lie the Obama presidency and campaign have propagated. From claiming that U.S. oil output "is the highest that it's been in eight years" (while oil output on federal lands was falling 275,000 barrels a day), to portraying a company fixer and job creator like Romney as an outsourcer, Obama's untruths are legion.
Why should we nose back into Romney's past when Obama won't release his academic records? University of Chicago law professor Richard Epstein, in "The Amateur," says Obama avoided fellow academics at lunches and workshops while at the law school, because lacking "any signs of intellectual curiosity or power" he made sure not "to put himself at intellectual risk."
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Only Obama's full academic transcripts will tell whether he got into Columbia and Harvard due to special treatment. The voters have a right to know.
If the media did their job, Cutter's remark would have made this a story about the Obama campaign smearing Romney by spreading a bogus story, then aggressively making false allegations of criminal behavior.
As Politico commented after Cutter's slanderous charge, when it comes to Romney and Bain, "things are reaching the point where the facts don't really matter."
Indeed, that could be a blanket statement about the entire Obama campaign.
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http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/07/14/cnn-accuses-obama-swiftboating-romney
Even CNN seems disgusted w GhettoBama's lies
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CNN’s John King, David Gergen: Obama Campaign “Bain” Felony Attack is Just Not True; Gergen – Three Key Obams Supporters at Bain Say Attack is Untrue; “Obama is Playing a Very Rough Form of Politics. . . Is this what We were Promised?” – Video 7/13/12
Here is video of CNN’s Anderson Cooper, John King and David Gergen all agreeing that what the Barack Obama Campaign is doing with their “Romney is a felon” attack is simply not true, and beyond that, is an “over-reach” and as Gergen put it politely, “a very rough form of politics.” Actually, you can tell from the way Gergen said it, he means they are acting like a bunch of sleaze-balls. Gergen asked disgustedly about Obama’s “very rough form of politics,” “Is this what we were promised?” Cooper answered for him, “No.”
Let Obama and the Democrats keep pushing this vile story. Within a week, it will be backlashing on them big time, because it reveals them for the people without an ounce of integrity that they are. They have opened wide now the door for Mitt Romney to go back and bring up all the sleazy associations of Barack Obama in Chicago and elsewhere. They have also set the table for Romney to play up the tremendous service he did for America in leaving Bain quickly to literally save the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. For that service he rendered to the nation, he now gets hammered by the Obama people. Look for that to come in the days and weeks ahead, and to be a major theme at the Republican National Convention.
Here’s even more from John King:
http://freedomslighthouse.net/2012/07/13/cnns-john-king-david-gergen-three-key-obams-supporters-at-bain-say-attack-is-untrue-obama-campaign-bain-felony-attack-is-just-not-true-gergen-obama-is-playing-a-very-rough-form-of-politi
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Wrong.
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CNN’s John King, David Gergen: Obama Campaign “Bain” Felony Attack is Just Not True; Gergen – Three Key Obams Supporters at Bain Say Attack is Untrue; “Obama is Playing a Very Rough Form of Politics. . . Is this what We were Promised?” – Video 7/13/12
Here is video of CNN’s Anderson Cooper, John King and David Gergen all agreeing that what the Barack Obama Campaign is doing with their “Romney is a felon” attack is simply not true, and beyond that, is an “over-reach” and as Gergen put it politely, “a very rough form of politics.” Actually, you can tell from the way Gergen said it, he means they are acting like a bunch of sleaze-balls. Gergen asked disgustedly about Obama’s “very rough form of politics,” “Is this what we were promised?” Cooper answered for him, “No.”
Let Obama and the Democrats keep pushing this vile story. Within a week, it will be backlashing on them big time, because it reveals them for the people without an ounce of integrity that they are. They have opened wide now the door for Mitt Romney to go back and bring up all the sleazy associations of Barack Obama in Chicago and elsewhere. They have also set the table for Romney to play up the tremendous service he did for America in leaving Bain quickly to literally save the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. For that service he rendered to the nation, he now gets hammered by the Obama people. Look for that to come in the days and weeks ahead, and to be a major theme at the Republican National Convention.
Here’s even more from John King:
http://freedomslighthouse.net/2012/07/13/cnns-john-king-david-gergen-three-key-obams-supporters-at-bain-say-attack-is-untrue-obama-campaign-bain-felony-attack-is-just-not-true-gergen-obama-is-playing-a-very-rough-form-of-politi
He's floundering. Desperate. But if you think about it, what else can he do? Cannot run on his record.
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Obama's cult of slaves will do anything to avoid a discussion on the current state of the country.
Notice how 180 logged tons of posts on zimmerman the same day of the jobs report and not one in that entire tjhread? Same w blackass.
And 240 is the main one, whining about the news media not focusing on the economy. Yet, when the economic numbers clearly show how SORRY and PATHETIC Obama is, 240 and Blacken break the kneepadding necks talking about anything and everything BUT the economy.
8% unemployment (or higher) for 42 straight months and the largest tax increase in history (ObamaCare). Yet, these two keep yapping about Bain, which has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.
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And 240 is the main one, whining about the news media not focusing on the economy. Yet, when the economic numbers clearly show how SORRY and PATHETIC Obama is, 240 and Blacken break the kneepadding necks talking about anything and everything BUT the economy.
8% unemployment (or higher) for 42 straight months and the largest tax increase in history (ObamaCare). Yet, these two keep yapping about Bain, which has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.
that's because this post is about bain and romney ::) ::)
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Romney lied to avoid the heat he'd take from being there while bain disposed of fetuses and shipped jobs overseas. he was a part-timer, plain and simple, his lawyer said so in a press release. end of thread, romney lied.
The company itself has say over its day to day operations OZ, the equity company gives suggestions and funds generally if needed.
they do have the ability to terminate a contract with a current CEO if that person isnt doing what the equity company deems best but the equity company does not control the day to day operations.
What the hell do you think the equity company knows about steel mills? or any other industry that they buy into?
They arent going to get into the details of a companies business that they dont really understand and seeing as they dont run these businesses or are in that industry they let the managers of the company decided how to run their business day to day.
If they approved of any documents it would probably be in the form of a annual budget, maybe emails...
this doesnt matter to me even if true really as it underscores one of issues that obama doesnt seem to understand.
Businesses are outsourcing for a REASON!!!!
FIX THAT!!!!!!!!!!!
if romney is responsible for this is obama responsible for all the outsourcing done by companies funded by the stimulus?
Please respond to this...
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that's because this post is about bain and romney ::) ::)
Actually, this thread about the BS about Bain and Romney that silly folk like you and 240 keep spewing.
WHY?
To deflect from your beloved Obama and his royal DISASTER of a presidency.
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Actually, this thread about the BS about Bain and Romney that silly folk like you and 240 keep spewing.
WHY?
To deflect from your beloved Obama and his royal DISASTER of a presidency.
i don't know what rush and beck are telling you but it's not b.s. :D :D :D
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i don't know what rush and beck are telling you but it's not b.s. :D :D :D
spin this you fool.
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The company itself has say over its day to day operations OZ, the equity company gives suggestions and funds generally if needed.
they do have the ability to terminate a contract with a current CEO if that person isnt doing what the equity company deems best but the equity company does not control the day to day operations.
What the hell do you think the equity company knows about steel mills? or any other industry that they buy into?
They arent going to get into the details of a companies business that they dont really understand and seeing as they dont run these businesses or are in that industry they let the managers of the company decided how to run their business day to day.
If they approved of any documents it would probably be in the form of a annual budget, maybe emails...
this doesnt matter to me even if true really as it underscores one of issues that obama doesnt seem to understand.
Businesses are outsourcing for a REASON!!!!
FIX THAT!!!!!!!!!!!
if romney is responsible for this is obama responsible for all the outsourcing done by companies funded by the stimulus?
I am with you on trying to fix out sourcing although I do not believe its possible anymore. Why would a company want to not out source when they can get cheaper overhead costs elsewhere and provide products at lower cost vs. higher overhead costs and higher end product costs to the consumer? In some capacity, no matter what companies will have to outsource in seems. Like for example, how many things are made 100% in the USA anymore? Not simple things, things like air compressors, irons, blenders etc.?
We can encourage it, but can we really make it a non factor anymore?
As for Romney's role in Bain, are those the details you listed or are those just a basic explanation of the relationship Bain had to the accused outsourcing? I want to know exact details of the charge and the explanation.
Also, what do you personally think of beirbart headline that suggests OB took money from Bain? Do you think it's spin based or do you see no distinction in execs donating their own money versus a coporation doing it?
BTW this whole thing is obviously political deflection on OB' campaign and it seems weak and they should be held accountable for their accusations.
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i don't know what rush and beck are telling you but it's not b.s. :D :D :D
Several news sources have shot this down. I've listed some of them, as have others. Even prominent Democrats are disgusted by this obviously desperate ploy by team Obama, eaten up by clueless folks like you.
And, ALL OF IT is to take the attention off Obama's miserable record, which neither you nor your knee-padding brethren can defend, even with guns to your heads.
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spin this you fool.
You expect Blacken to actually address his beloved Obama's failure? PLEASE!!!
8% unemployment (or higher) for 42 straight months under Obama. But, Blacken will just mindlessly post BS about Bain, that has been debunked repeatedly.
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Several news sources have shot this down. I've listed some of them, as have others. Even prominent Democrats are disgusted by this obviously desperate ploy by team Obama, eaten up by clueless folks like you.
And, ALL OF IT is to take the attention off Obama's miserable record, which neither you nor your knee-padding brethren can defend, even with guns to your heads.
some at first but more and more news just keeps on piling on,so live in the past.what does rush tell you to say about this
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some at first but more and more news just keeps on piling on,so live in the past.what does rush tell you to say about this
And that will go down the same ash heap that Dog-Gate, Bully-Gate, and all the other worthless stories you and other kneepadders keep floating about Romney, to deflect attention from Obama's miserable failure.
But keep doing MSNBC's bidding. Maybe you'll start getting thrills up your leg about Obama like Matthews.
8% unemployment or higher for 42 straight months under Obama......try that one on for size.
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and all your man can pull off is a tie :D :D :D :D :D :D nice pick .as pat bucannan said the dumbing down of the republican party :D
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and all your man can pull off is a tie :D :D :D :D :D :D nice pick .as pat bucannan said the dumbing down of the republican party :D
Romney's part of the supposedly weakest GOP field in history. Yet, the brilliant Obama (mainstream media in his pocket, polls oversampling Dems, and all) can only pull off a tie.
Let's not forget the undecideds, who tend to go against the incumbent.
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the more you post the more i have to say pat was right, when are you going to start the post ,rush says :D :D
spin on ;D
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the more you post the more i have to say pat was right, when are you going to start the post ,rush says :D :D
spin on ;D
The ultimate kneepadder, mindlessly parroting stories long debunked years ago, all to avoid defending his beloved Messiah's pitiful job record.
8% unemployment or higher for forty-two straight months under Obama.
You spin on, Blacken. I can certainly use the laughs.
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I am with you on trying to fix out sourcing although I do not believe its possible anymore. Why would a company want to not out source when they can get cheaper overhead costs elsewhere and provide products at lower cost vs. higher overhead costs and higher end product costs to the consumer? In some capacity, no matter what companies will have to outsource in seems. Like for example, how many things are made 100% in the USA anymore? Not simple things, things like air compressors, irons, blenders etc.?
We can encourage it, but can we really make it a non factor anymore?
As for Romney's role in Bain, are those the details you listed or are those just a basic explanation of the relationship Bain had to the accused outsourcing? I want to know exact details of the charge and the explanation.
Also, what do you personally think of beirbart headline that suggests OB took money from Bain? Do you think it's spin based or do you see no distinction in execs donating their own money versus a coporation doing it?
BTW this whole thing is obviously political deflection on OB' campaign and it seems weak and they should be held accountable for their accusations.
I partially agree with you, there are ways to make outsourcing less appealing but it will still happen hopefully just less often.
Basic definition, again equity companies dont run the businesses they own. yes they do own them but in general the owner that owned the business prior to being bought out is kept on to run the business as the CEO/manager
Equity companies own a broad array of businesses from different industries(this is part of the way they diversify risk) this means they dont know the ins and outs of every business and are not present in the decision making of the day to day operations.
I agree though I would like to see the papers he signed and to what involvement he had if any.
I personally dont think it matters if it was bain or the bain owners and obviously it doesnt matter to obama either seeing as I havent heard of him giving the money back either way.
Either way it shouldnt be an issue unless obama goes out and condemns private equity bain in particular like has been doing and it turns out that bain donated to him.
agreed on the political deflection, like I have said before I think all this political distraction will backfire especially if obama keeps it up until the election.
the public wants plans even if they arent great plans and telling lies even if they are partial lies this early that will get brought to light could backfire.
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The ultimate kneepadder, mindlessly parroting stories long debunked years ago, all to avoid defending his beloved Messiah's pitiful job record.
8% unemployment or higher for forty-two straight months under Obama.
You spin on, Blacken. I can certainly use the laughs.
you have to read the title of the post before you can post, your looking a little foolish here,this is not about unemployment.maybe you should stick to listening to rush,i think that's more your speed :D :D
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you have to read the title of the post before you can post your looking a little foolish here,this is not about unemployment.maybe you should stick to listening to rush,i think that's more your speed :D :D
One, before calling someone foolish, take up some grammar lessons. The word is "YOU'RE", Einstein.
Two, I'm fully aware of the title of this thread. 333386 posted to make the EXACT SAME POINT that I'm making.
Kneepadderlike you keep spewing this tripe for one reason: To attempt to deflect attention from Obama's pathetic record, namely the 8% or higher unemployment for 42 straight months.
It's not surprising, because your ilk did the same thing with Dog-Gate, Bully-Gate, and Ann-Gate.
When this goes down in flames, you will (in sheepish fashion) jump on the next let's-talk-about-anything-but-Obama's-record-bandwagon tipic.
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One, before calling someone foolish, take up some grammar lessons. The word is "YOU'RE", Einstein.
Two, I'm fully aware of the title of this thread. 333386 posted to make the EXACT SAME POINT that I'm making.
Kneepadderlike you keep spewing this tripe for one reason: To attempt to deflect attention from Obama's pathetic record, namely the 8% or higher unemployment for 42 straight months.
It's not surprising, because your ilk did the same thing with Dog-Gate, Bully-Gate, and Ann-Gate.
When this goes down in flames, you will (in sheepish fashion) jump on the next let's-talk-about-anything-but-Obama's-record-bandwagon tipic.
your man is lying just like your other canidate cain ,my guess is you know how to pick the losers.but you do listen to beck,and admit it now that's good for a laugh :D :D :D :D mcway- i let talk radio do my thinking for me :D :D :D :D
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your man is lying just like your other canidate cain ,my guess is you know how to pick the losers.but you do listen to beck,and admit it now that's good for a laugh :D :D :D :D mcway- i let talk radio do my thinking for me :D :D :D :D
Coming from you, Mr. I-parrot-MSNBC (the red-headed stepchild of cable news)-and-also-get-thrills-up-my-leg-about-Obama, this is quite comical. You'd think you would at least get your slobbering points from the best in the business in their genre.
Four Bain execs stated Romney wasn't running the show after 1999 (all libs, BTW). Others with the company have echoed those sentiments and their words are documented.
But, why let that stand in the way of your latest attempt to kneepad for Obama and deflect from his record?
Morning Examiner: Why is Obama granting amnesty to a Wall Street felon?
Yesterday, The Boston Globe attacked Mitt Romney with a front-page story purporting to show that Romney lied about leaving Bain Capital in 1999. The Globe story claims to have uncovered new Securities and Exchange Commission documents showing that Romney had managerial control over Bain through 2002. The story would be devastating to the Romney campaign if it was true. But it’s not.
First, there is nothing new in the Globe story. Liberal bloggers at Mother Jones and Talking Points Memo have been circulating the same documents for weeks. Both Fortune Magazine and The Washington Post already debunked the claim that these documents show Romney had any control over the firm.
So why is Romney listed as CEO of Bain Capital if he wasn’t running the company. George Mason University law school corporate law professor J.W. Verret explains:
The Boston Globe seems to be confused about the SEC filings. They refer to Bain Capital VI, an investment distinct from what we commonly know as “Bain Capital.” Saying that Governor Romney was the CEO of Bain Capital VI is like saying that I am the CEO of my retirement account… its a silly bit of legalese but it doesn’t mean I am CEO of all the companies in which I invest.
As a securities lawyer, if the former CEO of a private equity fund had asked me for advice about what to say in an SEC filing of this type, who had retired from a company and who maintained an ownership stake but otherwise had no involvement in its management or investment strategies, I would have advised inserting the language referenced by
the Boston Globe in the filing out of an abundance of caution.
In other words, contra Obama, Romney did not have any managerial control of Bain after 1999, and nothing in the SEC documents produced by the Globe shows otherwise.
But Obama can’t just admit that his Bain attacks against Romney are all based on lies. So instead, Obama deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter doubled down. On a conference call with reporters she accused Romney of “misrepresenting his position” at Bain to the Securities and Exchange Commission, which she claimed “is a felony.”
But if it is a felony, then why isn’t the nation’s top law enforcement officer, Obama, prosecuting Romney?
Either Obama’s Bain attacks are all lies or he has granted amnesty to a Wall Street felon. Which is it?
http://washingtonexaminer.com/morning-examiner-why-is-obama-granting-amnesty-to-a-wall-street-felon/article/2502057
Besides, I've had my share of winning picks. I picked Scott Walker to win that recall by 6 points; he won by seven. And, unless I'm mistaken, I do recall making some picks about the 2010 midterms.
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I'm not debating the merits of outsourcing toney - i know you'd like to change it to that, but htat's not the issue.
Romney was a part-timer at bain during those years. Attended board meetings and was paid for it.
"no association" is false. Period.
Now, you can ask me 7 questions about what's wrong with outsourcing, but I never said it was bad. I just said that romney lied, which he did. Changing the topic to something else won't change that.
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Another dumb non-issue. Romney is right that Obama owes him an apology. Doubt he gets it.
You know, this is where some critical thinking should come into play. If the guy was the sole shareholder, CEO,and president while on leave do you really think he was not getting daily phone calls and emails asking for approval over policy decisions? You would have to be pretty naieve to believe not. I would shake Romneys hand if I met him, I would just check all my fingers were still there afterwards, the guy is beyond slick.
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You know, this is where some critical thinking should come into play. If the guy was the sole shareholder, CEO,and president while on leave do you really think he was not getting daily phone calls and emails asking for approval over policy decisions? You would have to be pretty naieve to believe not. I would shake Romneys hand if I met him, I would just check all my fingers were still there afterwards, the guy is beyond slick.
don't you bring common sense into this argument ;D
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You know, this is where some critical thinking should come into play. If the guy was the sole shareholder, CEO,and president while on leave do you really think he was not getting daily phone calls and emails asking for approval over policy decisions? You would have to be pretty naieve to believe not. I would shake Romneys hand if I met him, I would just check all my fingers were still there afterwards, the guy is beyond slick.
I thought most CEO's have very little to do with actual day-to-day operations?
I think this would become an actual issue if they could prove that he was still there every day, making policy decisions and influencing the company. Otherwise its just another worthless non-issue meant to distract from Obama's terrible record.
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I thought most CEO's have very little to do with actual day-to-day operations?
I think this would become an actual issue if they could prove that he was still there every day, making policy decisions and influencing the company. Otherwise its just another worthless non-issue meant to distract from Obama's terrible record.
That's precisely what it is. Link after link and source after source have been posted, that have taken this tripe apart. But, our resident Obama cheerleaders continue to spew this silliness, because they want to talk about ANYTHING but their hero's pathetic record.
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That's precisely what it is. Link after link and source after source have been posted, that have taken this tripe apart. But, our resident Obama cheerleaders continue to spew this silliness, because they want to talk about ANYTHING but their hero's pathetic record.
I don't even see what the issue is here?
Its not like the company was engaged in mass fraud or criminal behavior from 1999 - 2002.
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I don't even see what the issue is here?
Its not like the company was engaged in mass fraud or criminal behavior from 1999 - 2002.
The issue is that Obama is trying to paint Romney as an "evil" outsourcer of U.S. jobs (as if he has room to talk); so, he shouldn't be president.
Why don't you refresh the kneepadders' memories, regarding all the outsourcing Obama has done WITH OUR TAXPAYER MONEY, no less.
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The issue is that Obama is trying to paint Romney as an "evil" outsourcer of U.S. jobs (as if he has room to talk); so, he shouldn't be president.
Why don't you refresh the kneepadders' memories, regarding all the outsourcing Obama has done WITH OUR TAXPAYER MONEY, no less.
TO me - that is NOT the issue.
My issue is that romney is so afraid of this perception that he's willing to tell obvious lies to avoid it.
That lack of spine, lack of balls is pretty obvious in the fact he won't take a position on DREAM exec order, won't criticize the SCOTUS obamacare decision, won't do anything BOLD or take any stands - for fear of upsetting someone.
If you're president, you're pissing off a lot of people/countries. Part of the job. You can't please everyone. ROmney needs to stop telling obvious lies so a few msnbc voters don't get mad at him about outsourcing. He needs to just embrace what he did and how profitable he was able to make Bain - based upon his ability to ascertain opportunities and find solutions, or cut the dogs.
lack of decisiveness is hurtin romney.
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TO me - that is NOT the issue.
My issue is that romney is so afraid of this perception that he's willing to tell obvious lies to avoid it.
That lack of spine, lack of balls is pretty obvious in the fact he won't take a position on DREAM exec order, won't criticize the SCOTUS obamacare decision, won't do anything BOLD or take any stands - for fear of upsetting someone.
If you're president, you're pissing off a lot of people/countries. Part of the job. You can't please everyone. ROmney needs to stop telling obvious lies so a few msnbc voters don't get mad at him about outsourcing. He needs to just embrace what he did and how profitable he was able to make Bain - based upon his ability to ascertain opportunities and find solutions, or cut the dogs.
lack of decisiveness is hurtin romney.
I agree, but he's a modern day politician, what do you expect?
Both candidates do the exact same thing, they tell everyone what they want to here regardless of what their actual stance on the issues are.
Its what politicians do now days. Its shitty, but its politics today.
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I thought most CEO's have very little to do with actual day-to-day operations?
I think this would become an actual issue if they could prove that he was still there every day, making policy decisions and influencing the company. Otherwise its just another worthless non-issue meant to distract from Obama's terrible record.
Well, maybe not day to day but certainly any decision that would affect the bottom line would be run by him first and I'm betting it was. As 33 said the company was not engaged in anything illegal, it is just a matter of perception. The fact that he won't release his tax records says something.
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I agree, but he's a modern day politician, what do you expect?
Both candidates do the exact same thing, they tell everyone what they want to here regardless of what their actual stance on the issues are.
Its what politicians do now days. Its shitty, but its politics today.
I don't think every modern day politician is spinless and scared to make waves.
Chris Christie was probably the #1 favorite of repubs in 2012 to run for president, the guy makes NONSTOP waves. Total spine, giant brass balls.
Jeb was the other one - and he's gone out of his way to say "I know this position will upset far-right conservatives, but..." on a number of issues.
Bachmann had batshit crazy balls. Ron paul was completely defiant. Santorum was irrevrant at best, a little nuts at worst. Newt was a loose cannon.
If anything, I'd say Mitt has the LEAST balls in that 2012 nomination process. And it's hurting him now.
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I don't think every modern day politician is spinless and scared to make waves.
Chris Christie was probably the #1 favorite of repubs in 2012 to run for president, the guy makes NONSTOP waves. Total spine, giant brass balls.
Jeb was the other one - and he's gone out of his way to say "I know this position will upset far-right conservatives, but..." on a number of issues.
Bachmann had batshit crazy balls. Ron paul was completely defiant. Santorum was irrevrant at best, a little nuts at worst. Newt was a loose cannon.
If anything, I'd say Mitt has the LEAST balls in that 2012 nomination process. And it's hurting him now.
The point, is that the Conservative establishment is going to try and run the guy they think has the best chance of winning, and theyre following the classic political move of "Run the guy that tells everyone what they want to hear"
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The point, is that the Conservative establishment is going to try and run the guy they think has the best chance of winning, and theyre following the classic political move of "Run the guy that tells everyone what they want to hear"
No, they had a system in place where ANYONE - even someone actively disliked by 75% of GOP voters - can win, if he/she can spend enough money.
Romney barely beat a mess like Santorum by outspending him 6-to-1. If the money was equal, ROmney would have lost. Repubs can lose in 2012 and maybe ask themselves why they had a guy hated by 3/4 of their party somehow representing their party.
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No, they had a system in place where ANYONE - even someone actively disliked by 75% of GOP voters - can win, if he/she can spend enough money.
Romney barely beat a mess like Santorum by outspending him 6-to-1. If the money was equal, ROmney would have lost. Repubs can lose in 2012 and maybe ask themselves why they had a guy hated by 3/4 of their party somehow representing their party.
Are you seriously trying to argue that the Conservative establishment didnt have a massive role in pushing Romney to victory?
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Are you seriously trying to argue that the Conservative establishment didnt have a massive role in pushing Romney to victory?
not at first. rush and levin trashed him nonstop.
then, once he suddenly started winning primaries by outspending 6 to 1, they realized it was inevitable and they fell into line.
Now they kneepad him.
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I'm not debating the merits of outsourcing toney - i know you'd like to change it to that, but htat's not the issue.
Romney was a part-timer at bain during those years. Attended board meetings and was paid for it.
"no association" is false. Period.
Now, you can ask me 7 questions about what's wrong with outsourcing, but I never said it was bad. I just said that romney lied, which he did. Changing the topic to something else won't change that.
thats fine but thats not the issue the left/you are pushing
the reason this is significant is b/c it would place romney with bain while companies they owned outsourced work.
I hope your honest enough to admit that but I wont hold my breath.
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DRIP, DRIP: ROMNEY A BAIN 'MANAGING MEMBER' IN LATE '02
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/15/mitt-romney-bain-capital_n_1674209.html
WASHINGTON -- Add another document to the pile of evidence contradicting Mitt Romney's continued insistence that he ended his active role with Bain Capital in early 1999, part of his long-running effort to avoid responsibility for the company's activity, related to outsourcing and bankruptcies, during the years that followed.
A corporate document filed with the state of Massachusetts in December 2002 -- a month after Romney was elected governor -- lists him as one of two managing members of Bain Capital Investors, LLC "authorized to execute, acknowledge, deliver and record any recordable instrument purporting to affect an interest in real property, whether to be recorded with a Registry of Deeds or with a District Office of the Land Court."
In August 2011, Romney told federal authorities, as part of the financial disclosure process, that he "retired from Bain Capital on February 11, 1999 to head the Salt Lake Organizing Committee . Since February 11, 1999, Mr. Romney has not had any active role with any Bain Capital entity and has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way."
Previously reported evidence shows that Romney was listed as the CEO, chairman and president of the company after 1999 in documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission; took a six-figure salary; signed corporate documents related to major and minor deals and attended board meetings for at least two Bain-affiliated companies. The state document was filed two and a half years after Romney now says he retired from the company, demonstrating his deep and ongoing connection to the firm.
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NY Times: 'No Evidence' Romney Did Bain Business after 1999
NewsMax ^ | 07/16/2012 | Patrick Hobin
Posted on July 16, 2012 9:13:53 PM EDT by SeekAndFind
There is no evidence that Mitt Romney exercised his powers at private equity firm Bain Capital after 1999 or directed funds’ investments after leaving, The New York Times reported.
Although some documents place the Republican presidential hopeful in charge of Bain from 1999 to 2001, a period in which the company outsourced jobs and ran companies that fell into bankruptcy, it is not related to who was running Bain at the time, the Times reported.
Romney has tried to distance himself from this period in Bain's history, saying on financial disclosure forms he had no active role in Bain as of February 1999.
“It’s a disconnect between the ownership interest and managerial functions,” Harvey Pitt, who served as S.E.C. chairman under President George W. Bush, told the Times. “When Bain takes positions in public companies, they’re required to show anyone who has an ownership interest that could be the effective equivalent of control. So Romney has to be shown on those filings.
"If they didn’t show them on those filings, they would have broken the law. But it has nothing to do with who’s actually running Bain Capital,” Pitt added.
Financial disclosures filed in Massachusetts back up Romney’s case and show that he drew at least $100,000 in 2001 from Bain as a “former executive” and from other Bain entities as a passive general partner, according to the Times.
The newspaper also pointed to an offering memorandum to investors in a Bain equity fund that was circulated in June 2000 and suggests Romney was not involved in the management of investments. The memorandum lists backgrounds on 18 managers, or “senior private equity investment professionals of Bain Capital,” and Romney is not among them.
(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...
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NY Times: 'No Evidence' Romney Did Bain Business after 1999
NewsMax ^ | 07/16/2012 | Patrick Hobin
Posted on July 16, 2012 9:13:53 PM EDT by SeekAndFind
There is no evidence that Mitt Romney exercised his powers at private equity firm Bain Capital after 1999 or directed funds’ investments after leaving, The New York Times reported.
Although some documents place the Republican presidential hopeful in charge of Bain from 1999 to 2001, a period in which the company outsourced jobs and ran companies that fell into bankruptcy, it is not related to who was running Bain at the time, the Times reported.
Romney has tried to distance himself from this period in Bain's history, saying on financial disclosure forms he had no active role in Bain as of February 1999.
“It’s a disconnect between the ownership interest and managerial functions,” Harvey Pitt, who served as S.E.C. chairman under President George W. Bush, told the Times. “When Bain takes positions in public companies, they’re required to show anyone who has an ownership interest that could be the effective equivalent of control. So Romney has to be shown on those filings.
"If they didn’t show them on those filings, they would have broken the law. But it has nothing to do with who’s actually running Bain Capital,” Pitt added.
Financial disclosures filed in Massachusetts back up Romney’s case and show that he drew at least $100,000 in ]2001 from Bain as a “former executive” and from other Bain entities as a passive general partner, according to the Times.
The newspaper also pointed to an offering memorandum to investors in a Bain equity fund that was circulated in June 2000 and suggests Romney was not involved in the management of investments. The memorandum lists backgrounds on 18 managers, or “senior private equity investment professionals of Bain Capital,” and Romney is not among them.
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No evidence yet, but the funny thing about deleting emails, they are never really deleted. Somebody somewhere has something on file and sooner or later it will surface. You can bet the farm on that.
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attending board meetings and getting paid 100k.
Boom. thread end. He was still working there (albeit in a far less capacity)
If I showed you evidence of obama attending XYZ meetings for three years while they paid him 100k, you'd sure as FUCK consider that to be ample evidence he worked there ;)
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attending board meetings and getting paid 100k.
Boom. thread end. He was still working there (albeit in a far less capacity)
If I showed you evidence of obama attending XYZ meetings for three years while they paid him 100k, you'd sure as FUCK consider that to be ample evidence he worked there ;)
NEW PARTY anyone?
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attending board meetings and getting paid 100k.
Boom. thread end. He was still working there (albeit in a far less capacity)
If I showed you evidence of obama attending XYZ meetings for three years while they paid him 100k, you'd sure as FUCK consider that to be ample evidence he worked there ;)
There is no "boom, end thread" of anything. Bain execs have verified Romney's story, time and time again. And we've posted the sources repeatedly.
But, if Obama and his kneepadding followers want to waste their time and money on this foolishness, which in the end means next to nothing, as Obama's still tied in the polls with Romney (and a low/mid-40s job approval), that's on them.
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:D :D check the date, keeeeep digging
Bain Capital's Romney aiming for politics after Olympics
Boston Business Journal
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2001, 10:33am EDT
W. Mitt Romney is quitting Boston-based Bain Capital Bain Capital Latest from The Business Journals Romney stops in Westmoreland on TuesdayRomney's Bain career lasted longer than he's disclosed?Local IT firm brings work back to U.S. Follow this company , the $13 billion investment firm he started with $35 million in 1984. The son of a former governor and himself a presidential candidate is going into politics in either Massachusetts or Utah after he completes work helping organize next year's Salt Lake City Winter Olympics.
Romney, 54, is giving up his 100 percent control of Bain Capital to 26 managing directors. The firm has made 170 venture and buyout investments in companies like pizza delivery chain Domino's Pizza Inc., brokerage Datek Online Holdings Corp. and retailers Staples Inc. and the Sports Authority Inc.,
Before taking the Olympics job, Romney previously interrupted his business career in 1994 for a failed bid as Republican challenger to Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy.
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There is no "boom, end thread" of anything. Bain execs have verified Romney's story, time and time again.
Oh - millionaires that were made rich by romney, who are repubs by income level - back up romney?
Well, let's take their word for it. Why would they lie?
LMAO - he attended board meetings yet claimed zero affiliation. I feel like i'm arguing wiht a 4 year old about santa at this point.
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:D :D check the date, keeeeep digging
Bain Capital's Romney aiming for politics after Olympics
Boston Business Journal
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2001, 10:33am EDT
W. Mitt Romney is quitting Boston-based Bain Capital Bain Capital Latest from The Business Journals Romney stops in Westmoreland on TuesdayRomney's Bain career lasted longer than he's disclosed?Local IT firm brings work back to U.S. Follow this company , the $13 billion investment firm he started with $35 million in 1984. The son of a former governor and himself a presidential candidate is going into politics in either Massachusetts or Utah after he completes work helping organize next year's Salt Lake City Winter Olympics.
Romney, 54, is giving up his 100 percent control of Bain Capital to 26 managing directors. The firm has made 170 venture and buyout investments in companies like pizza delivery chain Domino's Pizza Inc., brokerage Datek Online Holdings Corp. and retailers Staples Inc. and the Sports Authority Inc.,
Before taking the Olympics job, Romney previously interrupted his business career in 1994 for a failed bid as Republican challenger to Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy.
Check Obama's approval ratings. Keeeeeeeep digging!!
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Oh - millionaires that were made rich by romney, who are repubs by income level - back up romney?
Well, let's take their word for it. Why would they lie?
LMAO - he attended board meetings yet claimed zero affiliation. I feel like i'm arguing wiht a 4 year old about santa at this point.
well he does believe they put 2 of every animal in one boat ;D
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Check Obama's approval ratings. Keeeeeeeep digging!!
that's right change the subject ;D,hurry up turn on the radio rush will give you marching orders :D :D
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well he does believe they put 2 of every animal in one boat ;D
He was given 100 to 200,000.
He attended board meetings.
I guess if you change it - and say Obama attended al-quiad meetings for 3 years while being paid 100k by them, but claims zero affiliation.
Senior Al-Quaid members have verified Obama was not affiliated.
I doubt 33 would take them at their word ;)
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i think at this point romney could tell mcway that he was at bain and mcway would call romney a lier ;D
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i think at this point romney could tell mcway that he was at bain and mcway would call romney a lier ;D
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stick to the topic, corky ;D
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stick to the topic, corky ;D
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that's right change the subject ;D,hurry up turn on the radio rush will give you marching orders :D :D
Try getting those clues. Or perhaps you're waiting for Obama to issue you one on welfare.
I'm not changing the subject. All this mess is being done by you and the other kneepadders for one reason: To paint Romney as an outsourcer of American jobs, in an attempt to disqualify him as president....ALL to take the focus off Obama's abysmal record.
The fact that you're (not "your", genius) parroting this silliness, yet it's having almost no effect on Obama's numbers, makes this even more humorous.
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Try getting those clues. Or perhaps you're waiting for Obama to issue you one on welfare.
I'm not changing the subject. All this mess is being done by you and the other kneepadders for one reason: To paint Romney as an outsourcer of American jobs, in an attempt to disqualify him as president....ALL to take the focus off Obama's abysmal record.
The fact that you're (not "your", genius) parroting this silliness, yet it's having almost no effect on Obama's numbers, makes this even more humorous.
what's humorous is you can't admit your wrong, what would jesus do :D
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i think at this point romney could tell mcway that he was at bain and mcway would call romney a lier ;D
Romney said he wasn't there and at least four major Bain execs back his story, as do several media sources that we've cited time and time again.
Yet, silly folk like you continue to parrot and cluck Obama's pathetic diatribe, basically to no avail.
Two months of this gibberish, tens of millions of dollars blown, yet, Obama is STILL TIED with Romney.
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Bain Capital's Romney aiming for politics after Olympics
Boston Business Journal
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2001, 10:33am EDT
W. Mitt Romney is quitting Boston-based Bain Capital Bain Capital Latest from The Business Journals Romney stops in Westmoreland on TuesdayRomney's Bain career lasted longer than he's disclosed?Local IT firm brings work back to U.S. Follow this company , the $13 billion investment firm he started with $35 million in 1984. The son of a former governor and himself a presidential candidate is going into politics in either Massachusetts or Utah after he completes work helping organize next year's Salt Lake City Winter Olympics.
Romney, 54, is giving up his 100 percent control of Bain Capital to 26 managing directors. The firm has made 170 venture and buyout investments in companies like pizza delivery chain Domino's Pizza Inc., brokerage Datek Online Holdings Corp. and retailers Staples Inc. and the Sports Authority Inc.,
Before taking the Olympics job, Romney previously interrupted his business career in 1994 for a failed bid as Republican challenger to Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy.
so i guess they printed back in 2001 knowing they would need it now :D :D :D :D :D you are looking very foolish
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Bain Capital's Romney aiming for politics after Olympics
Boston Business Journal
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2001, 10:33am EDT
W. Mitt Romney is quitting Boston-based Bain Capital Bain Capital Latest from The Business Journals Romney stops in Westmoreland on TuesdayRomney's Bain career lasted longer than he's disclosed?Local IT firm brings work back to U.S. Follow this company , the $13 billion investment firm he started with $35 million in 1984. The son of a former governor and himself a presidential candidate is going into politics in either Massachusetts or Utah after he completes work helping organize next year's Salt Lake City Winter Olympics.
Romney, 54, is giving up his 100 percent control of Bain Capital to 26 managing directors. The firm has made 170 venture and buyout investments in companies like pizza delivery chain Domino's Pizza Inc., brokerage Datek Online Holdings Corp. and retailers Staples Inc. and the Sports Authority Inc.,
Before taking the Olympics job, Romney previously interrupted his business career in 1994 for a failed bid as Republican challenger to Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy.
so i guess they printed back in 2001 knowing they would need it know :D :D :D :D :D you are looking very foolish
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http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-july-16-2012/democalypse-2012---bain-damage---romney-s-blind-trust
Romney is shiiitt...
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Bain Capital's Romney aiming for politics after Olympics
Boston Business Journal
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2001, 10:33am EDT
W. Mitt Romney is quitting Boston-based Bain Capital Bain Capital Latest from The Business Journals Romney stops in Westmoreland on TuesdayRomney's Bain career lasted longer than he's disclosed?Local IT firm brings work back to U.S. Follow this company , the $13 billion investment firm he started with $35 million in 1984. The son of a former governor and himself a presidential candidate is going into politics in either Massachusetts or Utah after he completes work helping organize next year's Salt Lake City Winter Olympics.
Romney, 54, is giving up his 100 percent control of Bain Capital to 26 managing directors. The firm has made 170 venture and buyout investments in companies like pizza delivery chain Domino's Pizza Inc., brokerage Datek Online Holdings Corp. and retailers Staples Inc. and the Sports Authority Inc.,
Before taking the Olympics job, Romney previously interrupted his business career in 1994 for a failed bid as Republican challenger to Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy.
so i guess they printed back in 2001 knowing they would need it now :D :D :D :D :D you are looking very foolish
I guess you missed the very beginning of this thread.
As Fortune wrote earlier, Romney left Bain suddenly -- rather than as part of an organized transition plan -- after being asked to lead an Olympic organizing committee that had spiraled out of control. Moreover, it was unclear in February 1999 if Romney's leave of absence would be permanent, or if he would return (as he had in 1994, after losing a U.S.Senate race to Ted Kennedy). He didn't formally give up his title and firm ownership until 2002, once the Games had been successful and he was interested in other elective office. In the interim, he continued to fulfill legal obligations such as signing certain documents -- but actual investment and managerial decisions were being made by others.
Two months of clucking this Bain mess, tens of millions blown, kneepadding by the media and folks like you.
Yet, Obama is still TIED with Romney.
YOU are looking very foolish....as usual.
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Romney is just making this worse but he's got so many contradictory statements that he fucked no matter what he does
I'm sure he's gambling he will be less fucked by not releasing more return and having people speculate than giving them actual evidence.
btw - here are Romney thoughts about blind trusts (keep in mind this was at the time that he was pro-choice, pro-gay rights etc.. so his opinion is no doubt the exact opposite now)
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I guess you missed the very beginning of this thread.
As Fortune wrote earlier, Romney left Bain suddenly -- rather than as part of an organized transition plan -- after being asked to lead an Olympic organizing committee that had spiraled out of control. Moreover, it was unclear in February 1999 if Romney's leave of absence would be permanent, or if he would return (as he had in 1994, after losing a U.S.Senate race to Ted Kennedy). He didn't formally give up his title and firm ownership until 2002, once the Games had been successful and he was interested in other elective office. In the interim, he continued to fulfill legal obligations such as signing certain documents -- but actual investment and managerial decisions were being made by others.
Two months of clucking this Bain mess, tens of millions blown, kneepadding by the media and folks like you.
Yet, Obama is still TIED with Romney.
YOU are looking very foolish....as usual.
Boston Herald article when Romney left the firm in February 1999: "Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investment and key personnel decisions."
what would jesus do,i'll have to use 240 line I feel like i'm arguing with a 4 year old about santa at this point. :D
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Boston Herald article when Romney left the firm in February 1999: "Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investment and key personnel decisions."
what would jesus do,i'll have to use 240 line I feel like i'm arguing with a 4 year old about santa at this point. :D
Then you must be talking to yourself. The story is old news. It's been debunked repeatedly.
Yet, you, 240 and the other Obama kneepadders are dredging it up, because the president has a lousy record which you can't defend and on which he can't run.
Fortune, CNN, The Washington Post, at least four Bain execs, et. al. have backed Romney's account repeatedly.
Again, it's quite humorous, watching you parrot the Obama tripe, and watching his campaign bleed cash to back the mess, and for what......to stay TIED with the winner of the so-called worst GOP field in history.
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Then you must be talking to yourself. The story is old news. It's been debunked repeatedly.
Yet, you, 240 and the other Obama kneepadders are dredging it up, because the president has a lousy record which you can't defend and on which he can't run.
Fortune, CNN, The Washington Post, at least four Bain execs, et. al. have backed Romney's account repeatedly.
Again, it's quite humorous, watching you parrot the Obama tripe, and watching his campaign bleed cash to back the mess, and for what......to stay TIED with the winner of the so-called worst GOP field in history.
ok santa is real :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D isn't this the point you say more people watch fox news :D :D I feel like i'm arguing with a 4 year old about santa at this point.
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ok santa is real :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D isn't this the point you say more people watch fox news :D :D I feel like i'm arguing with a 4 year old about santa at this point.
Perhaps, if you ask for a government-issued clue, some sense might register in your head (though I wouldn't bet on it).
The story's been shot down by multiple sources, multiple times.
But please deluding yourself and encouraging Obama to waste millions on this crap, just to remain tied with Romney. I haven't laughed this hard in months.
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Perhaps, if you ask for a government-issued clue, some sense might register in your head (though I wouldn't bet on it).
The story's been shot down by multiple sources, multiple times.
But please deluding yourself and encouraging Obama to waste millions on this crap, just to remain tied with Romney. I haven't laughed this hard in months.
i can't argue with you no more ,santa's real,everyting rush and beck say is 100% true,palin is brillant,and they made a boat to carry 2 of every animal :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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the same people who heard the 4th Cain accuser and still said "He still seems innocent to me...."
are the same ones trying to "debunk" the statements made by romney and his team himself showing he was still with Bain.
So really, soon they'll all get as quiet as they did when Cain admitted paying that woman for 11 years of secrecy ;)
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i can't argue with you no more ,santa's real,everyting rush and beck say is 100% true,palin is brillant,and they made a boat to carry 2 of every animal :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
You could never argue with me in the first place.
Multiple news sources and multiple Bain execs have BACKED Romney's statement. Posting a zillion smiley faces doesn't change that fact, genius. Neither does making pointless statements about Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, or the Ark.
And, considering you get your gibberish from the laughingstock of cable news, you are in no position to criticize anyone, regarding where they get their information.
the same people who heard the 4th Cain accuser and still said "He still seems innocent to me...."
are the same ones trying to "debunk" the statements made by romney and his team himself showing he was still with Bain.
So really, soon they'll all get as quiet as they did when Cain admitted paying that woman for 11 years of secrecy ;)
You mean the same accusers that, two of whom to this day, STILL HAVE YET to say what Cain supposedly did to them (despite being given permission by the company that waived the confidentiality clause)?
Or the blonde, whose rep was about as valid as monopoly money, whose story had more holes than a block of Swiss cheese?
Or that last woman, who GOT SUED IN COURT for libel and slander and LOST, whose friends and associates have absolutely NO recollection of any alleged affair with Cain?
You want to talk about first-class hypocrisy. 240, YOU ARE FULL OF IT!!
YOU are the main one, bleating and whining about people and media not focusing on the economy.
Yet, when the economic news keeps coming and it's getting worse, YOU (and your kneepadder-in-crime, Blacken) COMPLETELY DODGE the economy and generate thread after thread after thread of debunked gibberish like this.
So, spare us your feigned outrage.
No one is trying to debunk these statements. They've been debunked, repeatedly by Romney's former associates and by numerous fact-checking accounts.
Only the kneepadders like you and Blacken keep floating this story, all to deflect from Obama's pathetic record. The saddest part is that all this money is being burned by Team Obama. Yet, he can't pull past Romney to save his life.
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You could never argue with me in the first place.
Multiple news sources and multiple Bain execs have BACKED Romney's statement. Posting a zillion smiley faces doesn't change that fact, genius. Neither does making pointless statements about Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, or the Ark.
And, considering you get your gibberish from the laughingstock of cable news, you are in no position to criticize anyone, regarding where they get their information.
You mean the same accusers that, two of whom to this day, STILL HAVE YET to say what Cain supposedly did to them (despite being given permission by the company that waived the confidentiality clause)?
Or the blonde, whose rep was about as valid as monopoly money, whose story had more holes than a block of Swiss cheese?
Or that last woman, who GOT SUED IN COURT for libel and slander and LOST, whose friends and associates have absolutely NO recollection of any alleged affair with Cain?
You want to talk about first-class hypocrisy. 240, YOU ARE FULL OF IT!!
YOU are the main one, bleating and whining about people and media not focusing on the economy.
Yet, when the economic news keeps coming and it's getting worse, YOU (and your kneepadder-in-crime, Blacken) COMPLETELY DODGE the economy and generate thread after thread after thread of debunked gibberish like this.
So, spare us your feigned outrage.
No one is trying to debunk these statements. They've been debunked, repeatedly by Romney's former associates and by numerous fact-checking accounts.
Only the kneepadders like you and Blacken keep floating this story, all to deflect from Obama's pathetic record. The saddest part is that all this money is being burned by Team Obama. Yet, he can't pull past Romney to save his life.
i can't argue with you no more ,santa's real,everyting rush and beck say is 100% true,palin is brillant,and they made a boat to carry 2 of every animal
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i can't argue with you no more ,santa's real,everyting rush and beck say is 100% true,palin is brillant,and they made a boat to carry 2 of every animal
Palin is a genius relative to Obama who is the dumbest, most incompetent, illiterate, idiot ever to hold office.
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Another reality check for TK members:
Are Obama’s Bain Attacks Getting Traction?
Over the next few days, we will no doubt see news stories trumpeting some poll or other purporting to show that President Obama’s disgraceful attacks on Mitt Romney’s years at Bain Capital have been effective. The problem, of course, is that many polls bounce around in a more or less random manner, so it will be easy to find one or two that look as though Obama is making significant gains. How meaningful they are is another question.
I follow Scott Rasmussen’s polling more closely than others, for three reasons: 1) his track record is as good as anyone’s; 2) he samples only likely voters, which most other pollsters don’t do until the last days of the campaign; and 3) he uses a consistent methodology so that his results don’t bounce around meaninglessly in response to the composition of the respondents on a given day.
So I have watched Rasmussen’s daily presidential tracking poll with interest since the latest round of attacks began. So far, Rasmussen’s numbers don’t show that the Bain attacks have had a perceptible impact. As of this morning, Romney leads Obama 46%-44% among likely voters. Here is the history of the head-to-head matchup from January 2012 to the present:
The days since Obama launched his Bain attacks don’t look significantly different from those that preceded. Rasmussen explains how consistent his polling has been in recent weeks:
Over the past 20 days, the candidates have been within three points of each other every single day. During that stretch, Romney has held the advantage 11 times, Obama has been on top four times, and they were tied on five days. Over that 20-day period, the president’s support has stayed between 44% and 46% every single day. Romney has stayed in the 44% to 47% range.
It seems reasonable to conclude that so far, at least, the Bain attacks haven’t had perceptibly more impact than everything else that has been happening in the campaign on a day to day basis. Two caveats, however, are appropriate. First, Obama has spent an enormous amount of money attacking Romney in a small number of swing states. It is possible that state-by-state polling could show more impact from the Bain attacks in a particular state. Second, most voters who are undecided at this point are low-information voters. It often takes some time for campaign themes to sink into the consciousness of such voters, so it is possible that the effects of the anti-Bain campaign could appear over time.
For the moment, however, the Rasmussen data suggest that Obama’s Bain attacks have not been especially effective in the context of everything else going on in the campaign. More broadly, Obama has spent large amounts of money on attack ads; far more than Romney has spent. Romney has been raising money and has mostly been keeping his resources in reserve for later in the campaign. So, if one wants to be optimistic, it is reasonable to conclude that Romney is surviving Obama’s onslaught quite well so far. Obama’s strategy is to “kill Romney,” but at the moment, Romney is very much alive.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/07/are-obamas-bain-attacks-getting-traction.php
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Multiple news sources and multiple Bain execs have BACKED Romney's statement.
and mutiple sources, especially Bain documents (memos, letter, SEC filings, payments to Romney etc) and statements by Romney himself when he was trying to prove his residency when running for governor support the claim that Romney had not completely left Bain when he said he did
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In a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll of swing states, an overwhelming majority of voters remember seeing campaign ads over the past month; most voters in other states say they haven't. In the battlegrounds, one in 12 say the commercials have changed their minds about President Obama or Republican Mitt Romney — a difference on the margins, but one that could prove crucial in a close race.
At this point, Obama is the clear winner in the ad wars. Among swing-state voters who say the ads have changed their minds about a candidate, rather than just confirmed what they already thought, 76% now support the president, vs. 16% favoring Romney.
"We gave them new information," says Obama campaign manager Jim Messina. "Romney had been out there claiming success as governor," but Democratic ads have prompted voters to "take a look at his record" on job creation and as head of the private-equity firm Bain Capital. Messina also credits a $25 million buy for a positive ad "about the challenges the president inherited and what we had to do to move this country forward."
To be sure, Obama's ads have done more to win back Democrats than to win over independents or Republicans: Thirteen percent of Democrats say their minds have been changed by ads, compared with 9% of independents and 3% of Republicans.
Romney pollster Neil Newhouse calls the findings unsurprising. "It is expected to find that more voters say their views have changed about Mitt Romney; they simply don't know him all that well," he says. "On the other hand, there are few voters who are going to say their views have changed about President Obama. They know him pretty damned well."
Obama and his allies have outspent Romney's side on ads so far by almost a third. Although the TV spots didn't start earlier than in recent elections, there have been more than ever before — including a negative flood from the new breed of super PACs — and they are continuing without the traditional summertime letup.
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You mean the same accusers that, two of whom to this day, STILL HAVE YET to say what Cain supposedly did to them (despite being given permission by the company that waived the confidentiality clause)?
Or the blonde, whose rep was about as valid as monopoly money, whose story had more holes than a block of Swiss cheese?
Or that last woman, who GOT SUED IN COURT for libel and slander and LOST, whose friends and associates have absolutely NO recollection of any alleged affair with Cain?
1) Cain said he had never done anything inappropriate in 43 years of marriage.
2) Cain later admitted he had secretly given $ to the woman for 12 years without telling his wife (lots of 4 AM texts too...)
Cain lied. Maybe we never saw proof of 5 affairs, but ONE is all you need to know the MFer is a MFing liar. Which he is.
In this case,
1) Rommney claained NO AFFILIATION with Bain from 99-2002.
2) We see he attended board meetings and was paid well during that time.
So there is nothing to argue about. Doesn't matter if someone who made $100 mil with romney backs him up. ALl that matters is that romney lied about no affiliation. Period. You can pull out all the people you want (people who worked FOR him lmao)....
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In a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll of swing states, an overwhelming majority of voters remember seeing campaign ads over the past month; most voters in other states say they haven't. In the battlegrounds, one in 12 say the commercials have changed their minds about President Obama or Republican Mitt Romney — a difference on the margins, but one that could prove crucial in a close race.
At this point, Obama is the clear winner in the ad wars. Among swing-state voters who say the ads have changed their minds about a candidate, rather than just confirmed what they already thought, 76% now support the president, vs. 16% favoring Romney.
"We gave them new information," says Obama campaign manager Jim Messina. "Romney had been out there claiming success as governor," but Democratic ads have prompted voters to "take a look at his record" on job creation and as head of the private-equity firm Bain Capital. Messina also credits a $25 million buy for a positive ad "about the challenges the president inherited and what we had to do to move this country forward."
To be sure, Obama's ads have done more to win back Democrats than to win over independents or Republicans: Thirteen percent of Democrats say their minds have been changed by ads, compared with 9% of independents and 3% of Republicans.
Romney pollster Neil Newhouse calls the findings unsurprising. "It is expected to find that more voters say their views have changed about Mitt Romney; they simply don't know him all that well," he says. "On the other hand, there are few voters who are going to say their views have changed about President Obama. They know him pretty damned well."
Obama and his allies have outspent Romney's side on ads so far by almost a third. Although the TV spots didn't start earlier than in recent elections, there have been more than ever before — including a negative flood from the new breed of super PACs — and they are continuing without the traditional summertime letup.
Thank you for making my point (while simultaneously sticking your foot in your mouth). Basically for all that money, time, and effort spent by the Obama crew, about SIX PERCENT of swing-state voters switched from Romney to Obama. And, that's with criticism on Romney that he's not fighting the charges as aggressively as he should.
That is PATHETIC. And, at the end of the say, Obama is STILL tied with Romney. Talk about getting almost no bang for your buck. Three and a half months out from an election for an incumbent, against the winner of the "worst GOP field in history", blowing all that dough on negative (and demonstrably false ads). Yet, he is still TIED.
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Thank you for making my point (while simultaneously sticking your foot in your mouth). Basically for all that money, time, and effort spent by the Obama crew, about SIX PERCENT of swing-state voters switched from Romney to Obama. And, that's with criticism on Romney that he's not fighting the charges as aggressively as he should.
That is PATHETIC. And, at the end of the say, Obama is STILL tied with Romney. Talk about getting almost no bang for your buck. Three and a half months out from an election for an incumbent, against the winner of the "worst GOP field in history", blowing all that dough on negative (and demonstrably false ads). Yet, he is still TIED.
i can't argue with you no more ,santa's real,everyting rush and beck say is 100% true,palin is brillant,and they made a boat to carry 2 of every animal
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Thank you for making my point (while simultaneously sticking your foot in your mouth). Basically for all that money, time, and effort spent by the Obama crew, about SIX PERCENT of swing-state voters switched from Romney to Obama.
Obama won over mccain by 6%.
Six percent is a landslide.
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Obama won over mccain by 6%.
Six percent is a landslide.
Obama is blowing his wad way too early.
We still have 5 more disastrous jobs reports your thug messiah has to answer for.
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1) Cain said he had never done anything inappropriate in 43 years of marriage.
2) Cain later admitted he had secretly given $ to the woman for 12 years without telling his wife (lots of 4 AM texts too...)
Cain lied. Maybe we never saw proof of 5 affairs, but ONE is all you need to know the MFer is a MFing liar. Which he is.
1) Cain was asked that, in the context of SEXUAL HARRASSMENT. He denied the charge and TO THIS DAY, those two women won't say what Cain supposedly did, despite all the legal hurdles being cleared for them to do so.
2) Cain said he helped her out; he never denied that. And the lion's share of those texts were to him, not from him. Furthermore, that woman is a PROVEN LIAR, busted in court for slander and libel. Yet, you're cracked enough to believe someone convicted of such behavior instead of Cain.
Then again, that's to be expected from an Obama kneepadder, especially in light of all the instances you've clammed up, regarding Obama's flagrant LYING.
In this case,
1) Rommney claained NO AFFILIATION with Bain from 99-2002.
2) We see he attended board meetings and was paid well during that time.
So there is nothing to argue about. Doesn't matter if someone who made $100 mil with romney backs him up. ALl that matters is that romney lied about no affiliation. Period. You can pull out all the people you want (people who worked FOR him lmao)....
There is nothing about which to argue. This story has been refuted more times than I care to count. And the reason you keep dredging it up is to do the very thing about which you constantly complain: DEFLECT FROM THE BAD ECONOMIC NEWS.
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Cain was proven to be a liar. Period. No denying it. Even if he was only busted on 1 of 100 claims - it only takes 1 to be a liar, correct?
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Cain was proven to be a liar. Period. No denying it. Even if he was only busted on 1 of 100 claims - it only takes 1 to be a liar, correct?
Amazing - as if you give a shit considering what you have kneepadded obama over?
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Obama won over mccain by 6%.
Six percent is a landslide.
yep and Obama will just keep running those ads and every time Romney cries about it and demands an apology the topic will just be refocused even more
I honestly can't wait for the debates.
They are going to be a hoot
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Amazing - as if you give a shit considering what you have kneepadded obama over?
I'm voting romney over obama in 2012.
But you know i'm right here. Cain lied. Romney lied. Facts, nothing to deny. Maybe we don't have proof cain did 50 things, but we do know he did that 1.
It just takes one lie - looking into the cameras and telling Americans somethign you know to be false - to be a bag o shite liar.
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yep and Obama will just keep running those ads and every time Romney cries about it and demands an apology the topic will just be refocused even more
I honestly can't wait for the debates.
They are going to be a hoot
True - can't wait to see obama make excuses for his failed record.
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Obama won over mccain by 6%.
Six percent is a landslide.
Obama isn't up by 6%. He's tied.
He's spending way too much money for little-or-no effect.
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True - can't wait to see obama make excuses for his failed record.
I can't even believe you will be watching since you thought the Obama wouldn't even be on the ticket
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yep and Obama will just keep running those ads and every time Romney cries about it and demands an apology the topic will just be refocused even more
I honestly can't wait for the debates.
They are going to be a hoot
And, once Obama gets taken apart, then what's the excuse going to be?
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And, once Obama gets taken apart, then what's the excuse going to be?
You seriously think Mitt can defeat Obama in a debate? Even Gingrich made him look like a fool. ::)
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Obama isn't up by 6%. He's tied.
He's spending way too much money for little-or-no effect.
but the gain of 6% is HUGE, even if the result is a tie.
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You seriously think Mitt can defeat Obama in a debate? Even Gingrich made him look like a fool. ::)
Gingrich did that in one state, South Carolina. And, he's known for being an excellent debater. Obama, off teleprompter, is quite pitiful.
Romney's been sharpened by his duels with Gingrich and Santorum. He'll be ready for Obama, who doesn't exactly have a record with which he can defend.
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but the gain of 6% is HUGE, even if the result is a tie.
Hardly, especially in light of the money that's being spent and given that most of that was simply to get prodigal Dems to return home vs. winning over independents or Republicans.
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Gingrich did that in one state, South Carolina. And, he's known for being an excellent debater. Obama, off teleprompter, is quite pitiful.
Romney's been sharpened by his duels with Gingrich and Santorum. He'll be ready for Obama, who doesn't exactly have a record with which he can defend.
of course he has a record he can defend
Romney is the one who is going to sound like a programmed robot he will just give preplanned answers no matter what the question actually is and won't be able to go off script too far withouth getting totally lost
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Obama, off teleprompter, is quite pitiful.
Did Obama outperform mccain and hilary?
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of course he has a record he can defend
Romney is the one who is going to sound like a programmed robot he will just give preplanned answers no matter what the question actually is and won't be able to go off script too far withouth getting totally lost
8% unemployment or higher for 42 straight months
9% unemployment or higher for 33 months
Over half of college grads under/unemployed
Democrat party takes worst beating in 70 years
Only president to get us downgraded, credit-wise
Only president that will have a net LOSS of jobs after four years in office.
Tax hikes on the middle class via ObamaCare
Premiums up double to fourfold under ObamaCare
Yeah....Good luck with Obama, defending that mess.
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Did Obama outperform mccain and hilary?
He struggled with Hilary and McCain treated him with kid gloves. Obama now has a horrible record around his neck.
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8% unemployment or higher for 42 straight months
9% unemployment or higher for 33 months
Over half of college grads under/unemployed
Democrat party takes worst beating in 70 years
Only president to get us downgraded, credit-wise
Only president that will have a net LOSS of jobs after four years in office.
Tax hikes on the middle class via ObamaCare
Premiums up double to fourfold under ObamaCare
Yeah....Good luck with Obama, defending that mess.
problem is people still blame bush for the enconomy,sorry wrong again
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/14/gallup-more-people-still-blame-bush-for-poor-economy-than-obama/&sa=U&ei=hQEGUMubLYjZ6wHDvtDfCA&ved=0CBIQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGBPpiGtQOyI9TheThF2V48RF3qag
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problem is people still blame bush for the enconomy,sorry wrong again
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/14/gallup-more-people-still-blame-bush-for-poor-economy-than-obama/&sa=U&ei=hQEGUMubLYjZ6wHDvtDfCA&ved=0CBIQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGBPpiGtQOyI9TheThF2V48RF3qag
Bush ain't running for president. Obama is. Sorry, wrong again.
Furthermore, the 42 months of 8% or higher unemployment came AFTER the stimulus (which was to keep unemployment under 8%) was passed.
To top it all off, if people were still blaming Bush, explain that massacre the Dems took in 2010.
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you don't like the pole don't cry to me ;D who said bush was running,the poll says they blame bush more ::)
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you don't like the pole don't cry to me ;D who said bush was running,the poll says they blame bush more ::)
Blaming someone who ain't running is rather pointless. And, as the poll states, they don't hold Obama completely blameless in this.
When you make specific promises but don't deliver, that's not on your predecessor; that's on YOU.
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Still, 68% of Americans say former President Bush should be given a great deal or a moderate amount of blame for the nation's economic woes -- substantially more than say the same about Obama. This suggests that Obama's argument that he is on the right track and needs more time to turn the economy around could fall on receptive ears, particularly those of independents.
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Still, 68% of Americans say former President Bush should be given a great deal or a moderate amount of blame for the nation's economic woes -- substantially more than say the same about Obama. This suggests that Obama's argument that he is on the right track and needs more time to turn the economy around could fall on receptive ears, particularly those of independents.
but, but, but, ....McWay doesn't like Obama
doesn't that count for anything ?
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Still, 68% of Americans say former President Bush should be given a great deal or a moderate amount of blame for the nation's economic woes -- substantially more than say the same about Obama. This suggests that Obama's argument that he is on the right track and needs more time to turn the economy around could fall on receptive ears, particularly those of independents.
Obama is bleeding independents like a stuck pig. The fact that the Dems got beat up in 2010 pretty much puts to rest the notion that America is blaming George Bush.
8% unemployment for 42 months straight (AFTER SPENDING nearly 800 billion on a so-called "stimulus") is hardly the right track. And considering that Team Obama doesn't count those who've stopped looking, the numbers are even worse.
Obama himself stated that, if he couldn't turn things around in three years, he should be a ONE-TERM president. It's been three and a half years. He's nowhere near turning this economy around.
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but, but, but, ....McWay doesn't like Obama
doesn't that count for anything ?
8% unemployment or higher for 42 straight months
9% unemployment or higher for 33 months
Over half of college grads under/unemployed
Democrat party takes worst beating in 70 years
Only president to get us downgraded, credit-wise
Only president that will have a net LOSS of jobs after four years in office.
Tax hikes on the middle class via ObamaCare
Premiums up double to fourfold under ObamaCare
And, I am supposed to like Obama because.......OH, he's black. Never mind. ::)
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Obama is bleeding independents like a stuck pig. The fact that the Dems got beat up in 2010 pretty much puts to rest the notion that America is blaming George Bush.
8% unemployment for 42 months straight (AFTER SPENDING nearly 800 billion on a so-called "stimulus") is hardly the right track. And considering that Team Obama doesn't count those who've stopped looking, the numbers are even worse.
Obama himself stated that, if he couldn't turn things around in three years, he should be a ONE-TERM president. It's been three and a half years. He's nowhere near turning this economy around.
you can type what you want but it doesn't change the poll ;D
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8% unemployment or higher for 42 straight months
9% unemployment or higher for 33 months
Over half of college grads under/unemployed
Democrat party takes worst beating in 70 years
Only president to get us downgraded, credit-wise
Only president that will have a net LOSS of jobs after four years in office.
Tax hikes on the middle class via ObamaCare
Premiums up double to fourfold under ObamaCare
And, I am supposed to like Obama because.......OH, he's black. Never mind. ::)
yep and still almost 70% of people think Bush gets most of the blame
I know that's tough for you to deal with
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you can type what you want but it doesn't change the poll ;D
Big deal. There were polls that said the Wisconsin recall race was "too close to call". Walker won going away.
Four years ago, in California, polls said Californians wanted gay "marriage" and Prop. 8 would fail to pass. How did that work out?
Yapping about a poll, blaming someone who ain't running in 2012, ranks right up there with your other pointless quips.
Were this all about blaming Bush, the Dems wouldn't have been bludgeoned in 2010.
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Big deal. There were polls that said the Wisconsin recall race was "too close to call". Walker won going away
Four years ago, in California, polls said Californians wanted gay "marriage" and Prop. 8 would fail to pass. How did that work out?.
Yapping about a poll, blaming someone who ain't running in 2012, ranks right up there with your other pointless quips.
Were this all about blaming Bush, the Dems wouldn't have been bludgeoned in 2010.
polls on both were accurate at the time of the election
Romney is not going to lose because people blame Bush
Romney is going to lose because people don't like and and don't trust him
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yep and still almost 70% of people think Bush gets most of the blame
I know that's tough for you to deal with
If Bush were running, I would care.
HE'S NOT. I know that's tough fact for YOU.
Obama made a bunch of promises and BLEW them big time. No amount of Bush-blaming is going to save him from having to answer for that.
Is unemployment under 8%, since his stimulus was passed? NO!
Did he cut the deficit in half? NO!
Did he run the most transparent administration in history? PLEASE!!!!
Is unemployment around 5.5%, as he said it would be? NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!
Did he keep his promise not to raise taxes on the middle class? HARDLY!!
But, you keep deluding yourself into thinking that blaming Bush is going to save Obama.
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polls on both were accurate at the time of the election
Just weeks before the Prop. 8 vote, the polls had the amendment failing. It passed by 4-5 points.
Mere days before the recall, we had polls with Walker up by three or less (which I suspected were bogus). I picked Walker by 6; he won by 7. The race was called less than an hour after the polls closed. That's not the sign of a race that's "too close to call".
Romney is not going to lose because people blame Bush
Romney is going to lose because people don't like and and don't trust him
I wouldn't bet my house on that, unless you have plenty of cardboard on standby.
Obama is tied with Romney, despite blowing tens of millions on negative ads. When it's time to defend that pitiful record of his, it could be even uglier. No incumbent president should be in the low-mid 40s in approval THIS LATE into an election.
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Just weeks before the Prop. 8 vote, the polls had the amendment failing. It passed by 4-5 points.
Mere days before the recall, we had polls with Walker up by three or less (which I suspected were bogus). I picked Walker by 6; he won by 7. The race was called less than an hour after the polls closed. That's not the sign of a race that's "too close to call".
I wouldn't bet my house on that, unless you have plenty of cardboard on standby.
Obama is tied with Romney, despite blowing tens of millions on negative ads. When it's time to defend that pitiful record of his, it could be even uglier. No incumbent president should be in the low-mid 40s in approval THIS LATE into an election.
bet my house?
ok - I guess I'll take your advice and not do that
like I've said, Romney will lose all on his own and not because of a poll about Obama v Bush
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So seriously McWay, what is it about Romney that you identify with, other than him being white? I believe people vote more with their hearts than minds, generally they will choose the person that is most like them. If you are just an average assembly line worker you will likely vote Obama than Romney, if you work as an investor, yeah your're going with Romney. It is really not that complicated. If you're a millionaire then I understand your position.
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So seriously McWay, what is it about Romney that you identify with, other than him being white? I believe people vote more with their hearts than minds, generally they will choose the person that is most like them. If you are just an average assembly line worker you will likely vote Obama than Romney, if you work as an investor, yeah your're going with Romney. It is really not that complicated. If you're a millionaire then I understand your position.
SIMPLE - under obama's economy if you are a line worker - the chances of your factory closing down or going out of business is far more likely than if under Romney.
Speaking of line workers - remember that one obama was pimping in the ad?
He hates Obama.
http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/13535/laid_off_steelworker_in_anti-romney_ad_says_he_is_not_voting_for_obama
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SIMPLE - under obama's economy if you are a line worker - the chances of your factory closing down or going out of business is far more likely than if under Romney.
Wasn't Romney against the auto bailout? Even Bush thought it was agood idea.
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Wasn't Romney against the auto bailout? Even Bush thought it was agood idea.
I was against the bailout too. GM could have gone through a normal bankruptcy Chapter 11 and restructured.
Ford, Toyota, Hyundai, BMW, Honda, KIA, all who make cars here, didnt need a bailout.
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Wasn't Romney against the auto bailout? Even Bush thought it was agood idea.
I know it's an easy assumption to make, but not many independents / conservatives here were fans of Bush.
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I was against the bailout too. GM could have gone through a normal bankruptcy Chapter 11 and restructured.
Ford, Toyota, Hyundai, BMW, Honda, KIA, all who make cars here, didnt need a bailout.
It's easy to say something like that if you know it won't affect you, but thousands of jobs would have been lost. Family's would have been torn apart. Restructuring would have taken many months, maybe years. Unemployment would have been higher than it is now. I think the right decision was made in that case. Now if your're talking about the banks, then...
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It's easy to say something like that if you know it won't affect you, but thousands of jobs would have been lost. Family's would have been torn apart. Restructuring would have taken many months, maybe years. Unemployment would have been higher than it is now. I think the right decision was made in that case. Now if your're talking about the banks, then...
Thousands of jobs and dealerships were lost remember?
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Thousands of jobs and dealerships were lost remember?
Yes, without the bailout it would have been more.
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Yes, without the bailout it would have been more.
And? That is the point. We tossed money down the rat hole and did not fix anything.
GM is still in debt to us by billions on billions, other than fleet sales they are sucking wind, etc etc
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So seriously McWay, what is it about Romney that you identify with, other than him being white? I believe people vote more with their hearts than minds, generally they will choose the person that is most like them. If you are just an average assembly line worker you will likely vote Obama than Romney, if you work as an investor, yeah your're going with Romney. It is really not that complicated. If you're a millionaire then I understand your position.
First of all, I'm black.
Second of all, why would an average assembly line worker identify with Obama? Did he work on an assembly line? Did he come from a blue-collar family or work his way through school? NO!
I identify with Romney, because he has this crazy notion that I should keep as much of my hard-earned money (REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH I MAKE) in my pocket as possible. I don't bow down to the government and owe them every thing, simply because it (half-heartedly, at times) does the job it's supposed to do.