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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Billy Guns on July 16, 2012, 07:07:13 AM
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Well after spending 24 hours in the ER and hospital I am now back home. I went to the Dr yesterday after Intense abdominal pain had me floored! The Dr suggested I immediately go to the ER, they felt it was my gal bladder. Well Ultra sound showed by Gal bladder was ok, so they ordered a CAT scan of my abdomen. I had to stay over nite for tests but I found out I had a Liver hemangioma that ruptured. SO basically I had a cluster of blood vessels in my liver sort of like a birthmark on my liver that ruptured for some reason. There is blood in my liver still but DR's want to wait 2 weeks for another CAT scan and think I am ok. Also good news the DR said I should be very careful with my lifting but can still do USA! I have trained hard for this and don't want to stop. I appreciate all the support I got from friends and clients. I have so much good to do for the world as well as for those around me in fitness still and I believed all along I was going to be ok! Very fortunate and thankful!
I gotta take it day by day ..... Im not ready to give up but I can't really train or even do cardio at this point...I can however stick to my diet so i will give it a few more days and see if I improve...my condition is pretty serious. As much as I am a warrior I have to be smart.
Thank you, I got 50% of the DR;s saying don't do it, and 50% saying its ok...I don't the ink the 50 saying its ok necessarily Know what we do to ourselves, lol...I'm still in alot of pain, but on my diet and have not given up yet.
Well...Although I like to think so sometimes, I guess I'm not superman...pain kept me from sleeping last nite. I am hoping my recovery speeds up a bit today. Happy to see 8 of the 10 frigging lbs I gained from the shit they pumped me up with is gone though. One day at a time.
Thanks everyone...still in pain but I am going to the it day by day and if USA is an option I feel I can be my best at I am still doing it!
FYI I AM NOT DOING USA's and I AM HEALTHY but see if you can figure out who this is.....
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Umm... what?
Die for the chance to stand on stage?
If you're dead, what joy would you get by being a carcass on a stage?
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I think Gaspari stated that he would have accepted death if he won 1 Olympia...
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Umm... what?
Die for the chance to stand on stage?
If you're dead, what joy would you get by being a carcass on a stage?
This is how mind fucked the industry is that a bodybuilder is going through all this right now...... ???
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I think Gaspari stated that he would have accepted death if he won 1 Olympia...
I'd rather live and be 2nd for whole 10 years :D
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Living the dream while your organs secretly compose your last requiem.
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100k of gear =
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121940.0;attach=137347;image)
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100k of gear =
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=121940.0;attach=137347;image)
LMAO that was on only $200 worth of deca and omnadren
Im not dying but this guy is close to it
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Hey-- MD here-- if it is only a hemangioma that ruptured that is good news. The hemorrhage depends only
on the size of it. There are benign vascular tumors called hepatomas that seem to thrive on steroids and can become huge. These not only become problematic because they bleed, but they can also cause havoc by diversion of blood to the liver-- seen them cause cardiac issues in addition to the obvious bleeding. Look man sounds like nature's way of rx.'ing the problem. Give yourself a few weeks and get back to gym! U mentioned USAs? Sponsoring the guy who will probably win it!
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Hey-- MD here-- if it is only a hemangioma that ruptured that is good news. The hemorrhage depends only
on the size of it. There are benign vascular tumors called hepatomas that seem to thrive on steroids and can become huge. These not only become problematic because they bleed, but they can also cause havoc by diversion of blood to the liver-- seen them cause cardiac issues in addition to the obvious bleeding. Look man sounds like nature's way of rx.'ing the problem. Give yourself a few weeks and get back to gym! U mentioned USAs? Sponsoring the guy who will probably win it!
What's up doc?
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Did your doc ever ask you about your useage? After he got back up off the floor I can't believe he didn't tell you to quit.
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a sandow is priceless. it makes you Immortal..... :)
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Put your health first man.
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Well after spending 24 hours in the ER and hospital I am now back home. I went to the Dr yesterday after Intense abdominal pain had me floored! The Dr suggested I immediately go to the ER, they felt it was my gal bladder. Well Ultra sound showed by Gal bladder was ok, so they ordered a CAT scan of my abdomen. I had to stay over nite for tests but I found out I had a Liver hemangioma that ruptured. SO basically I had a cluster of blood vessels in my liver sort of like a birthmark on my liver that ruptured for some reason. There is blood in my liver still but DR's want to wait 2 weeks for another CAT scan and think I am ok. Also good news the DR said I should be very careful with my lifting but can still do USA! I have trained hard for this and don't want to stop. I appreciate all the support I got from friends and clients. I have so much good to do for the world as well as for those around me in fitness still and I believed all along I was going to be ok! Very fortunate and thankful!
I gotta take it day by day ..... Im not ready to give up but I can't really train or even do cardio at this point...I can however stick to my diet so i will give it a few more days and see if I improve...my condition is pretty serious. As much as I am a warrior I have to be smart.
Thank you, I got 50% of the DR;s saying don't do it, and 50% saying its ok...I don't the ink the 50 saying its ok necessarily Know what we do to ourselves, lol...I'm still in alot of pain, but on my diet and have not given up yet.
Well...Although I like to think so sometimes, I guess I'm not superman...pain kept me from sleeping last nite. I am hoping my recovery speeds up a bit today. Happy to see 8 of the 10 frigging lbs I gained from the shit they pumped me up with is gone though. One day at a time.
Thanks everyone...still in pain but I am going to the it day by day and if USA is an option I feel I can be my best at I am still doing it!
I'm surprised you still consider competing... aren't you a father with two kids?
Listen to this fool "I'm still on my diet, haven't made up my mind yet"
Hope your face starts bloating up like DA's maybe that will help you make up your damn mind, fool.
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I'd be ready to die for an IFBB Pro card. They look so damn good. I already did cut two of my fingers to get the business card of that guy who sells TV at the shop next to my place. You should see how fucking awesome is a business card. It's a sight to behold. I was so ecstatic the day I got my gym membership card that I sacrificed two young virgins to thank the Gods for this gift (although there was a 79€/month subscription thing involved somewhere). So imagine what one could do for that glorious piece of plastic.
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Did your doc ever ask you about your useage? After he got back up off the floor I can't believe he didn't tell you to quit.
It's not me that is having these issues let see who can figure out who is going thru such a major problem here
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Well after spending 24 hours in the ER and hospital I am now back home. I went to the Dr yesterday after Intense abdominal pain had me floored! The Dr suggested I immediately go to the ER, they felt it was my gal bladder. Well Ultra sound showed by Gal bladder was ok, so they ordered a CAT scan of my abdomen. I had to stay over nite for tests but I found out I had a Liver hemangioma that ruptured. SO basically I had a cluster of blood vessels in my liver sort of like a birthmark on my liver that ruptured for some reason. There is blood in my liver still but DR's want to wait 2 weeks for another CAT scan and think I am ok. Also good news the DR said I should be very careful with my lifting but can still do USA! I have trained hard for this and don't want to stop. I appreciate all the support I got from friends and clients. I have so much good to do for the world as well as for those around me in fitness still and I believed all along I was going to be ok! Very fortunate and thankful!
I gotta take it day by day ..... Im not ready to give up but I can't really train or even do cardio at this point...I can however stick to my diet so i will give it a few more days and see if I improve...my condition is pretty serious. As much as I am a warrior I have to be smart.
Thank you, I got 50% of the DR;s saying don't do it, and 50% saying its ok...I don't the ink the 50 saying its ok necessarily Know what we do to ourselves, lol...I'm still in alot of pain, but on my diet and have not given up yet.
Well...Although I like to think so sometimes, I guess I'm not superman...pain kept me from sleeping last nite. I am hoping my recovery speeds up a bit today. Happy to see 8 of the 10 frigging lbs I gained from the shit they pumped me up with is gone though. One day at a time.
Thanks everyone...still in pain but I am going to the it day by day and if USA is an option I feel I can be my best at I am still doing it!
You were lucky; you got a wake up call. Heed the call. No amount of muscle is worth dying for. I don't really want you to die for me, bitch! >:(
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I'm surprised you still consider competing... aren't you a father with two kids?
Listen to this fool "I'm still on my diet, haven't made up my mind yet"
Hope your face starts bloating up like DA's maybe that will help you make up your damn mind, fool.
I havent given bodybuilding a second thought but the guy here definetley needs to re evaluate life
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I havent given bodybuilding a second thought but the guy here definetley needs to re evaluate life
Dude, get editing. Add some quotation marks to your post or something, there's flaming coming your way.
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I havent given bodybuilding a second thought but the guy here definetley needs to re evaluate life
You were that guy x10. You lived with your then hero, Palumbo, and followed his advices to a tee. You took a boatload of drugs 'chasing the dream'... It's only now you're cynical, embittered and sticking pins in your Palumbo doll.
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live and let live.
we're all carbon based miracles with unkonwn expiration dates.
I think this BBer is crazy for pushing body after that kind of medical news, but he probably thinks i'm crazy for sitting home in my boxers posting on getbig at a mere 188 pounds.
He gets to live like a superhero and that's his choice. best wishes for his recovery.
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jesus thats bad
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Well after spending 24 hours in the ER and hospital I am now back home. I went to the Dr yesterday after Intense abdominal pain had me floored! The Dr suggested I immediately go to the ER, they felt it was my gal bladder. Well Ultra sound showed by Gal bladder was ok, so they ordered a CAT scan of my abdomen. I had to stay over nite for tests but I found out I had a Liver hemangioma that ruptured. SO basically I had a cluster of blood vessels in my liver sort of like a birthmark on my liver that ruptured for some reason. There is blood in my liver still but DR's want to wait 2 weeks for another CAT scan and think I am ok. Also good news the DR said I should be very careful with my lifting but can still do USA! I have trained hard for this and don't want to stop. I appreciate all the support I got from friends and clients. I have so much good to do for the world as well as for those around me in fitness still and I believed all along I was going to be ok! Very fortunate and thankful!
I gotta take it day by day ..... Im not ready to give up but I can't really train or even do cardio at this point...I can however stick to my diet so i will give it a few more days and see if I improve...my condition is pretty serious. As much as I am a warrior I have to be smart.
Thank you, I got 50% of the DR;s saying don't do it, and 50% saying its ok...I don't the ink the 50 saying its ok necessarily Know what we do to ourselves, lol...I'm still in alot of pain, but on my diet and have not given up yet.
Well...Although I like to think so sometimes, I guess I'm not superman...pain kept me from sleeping last nite. I am hoping my recovery speeds up a bit today. Happy to see 8 of the 10 frigging lbs I gained from the shit they pumped me up with is gone though. One day at a time.
Thanks everyone...still in pain but I am going to the it day by day and if USA is an option I feel I can be my best at I am still doing it!
Are you serious man?
You would put your health at risk for a stupid, plastic trophy and the possibility of attaining pro status, only to find yourself making no money from sponsors and simply paying a fee to have a pro card (small piece of laminated paper)?
Look man, I can buy you a huge plastic trophy at modell's and have it engraved with your name and the title of "Best Professional Bodybuilder in the Universe". I can also Photoshop and print out an IFBB pro card and have it laminated for you.
Don't risk your life for pro status, that is but merely worthless currency. You know how many hundreds of IFBB pros are out there that NO ONE has ever heard of? You have 100's of IFBB pros that have no contracts, sponsors, fame or even a place to live of their own.
Getting a Pro card won't make you Bob Chick overnight,
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LMAO that was on only $200 worth of deca and omnadren
Im not dying but this guy is close to it
Even $200 of gear to look like that is pathetic. HORRIBLE genetics.
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Are you serious man?
You would put your health at risk for a stupid, plastic trophy and the possibility of attaining pro status, only to find yourself making no money from sponsors and simply paying a fee to have a pro card (small piece of laminated paper)?
Look man, I can buy you a huge plastic trophy at modell's and have it engraved with your name and the title of "Best Professional Bodybuilder in the Universe". I can also Photoshop and print out an IFBB pro card and have it laminated for you.
Don't risk your life for pro status, that is but merely worthless currency. You know how many hundreds of IFBB pros are out there that NO ONE has ever heard of? You have 100's of IFBB pros that have no contracts, sponsors, fame or even a place to live of their own.
Getting a Pro card won't make you Bob Chick overnight,
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;D ;D
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Are you serious man?
You would put your health at risk for a stupid, plastic trophy and the possibility of attaining pro status, only to find yourself making no money from sponsors and simply paying a fee to have a pro card (small piece of laminated paper)?
Look man, I can buy you a huge plastic trophy at modell's and have it engraved with your name and the title of "Best Professional Bodybuilder in the Universe". I can also Photoshop and print out an IFBB pro card and have it laminated for you.
Don't risk your life for pro status, that is but merely worthless currency. You know how many hundreds of IFBB pros are out there that NO ONE has ever heard of? You have 100's of IFBB pros that have no contracts, sponsors, fame or even a place to live of their own.
Getting a Pro card won't make you Bob Chick overnight,
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You could make the same speech to someone who is going to get in an indy car or going to scale El Capitan or jump out of a perfectly good airplane. Life would be pretty dull if we all played it safe. It's just human nature. In the end we will all be dust, a few will be remembered but most will not.
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Are you serious man?
You would put your health at risk for a stupid, plastic trophy and the possibility of attaining pro status, only to find yourself making no money from sponsors and simply paying a fee to have a pro card (small piece of laminated paper)?
Look man, I can buy you a huge plastic trophy at modell's and have it engraved with your name and the title of "Best Professional Bodybuilder in the Universe". I can also Photoshop and print out an IFBB pro card and have it laminated for you.
Don't risk your life for pro status, that is but merely worthless currency. You know how many hundreds of IFBB pros are out there that NO ONE has ever heard of? You have 100's of IFBB pros that have no contracts, sponsors, fame or even a place to live of their own.
Getting a Pro card won't make you Bob Chick overnight,
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AGAIN THIS IS NOT ME DYING.....can you guess who it is???
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AGAIN THIS IS NOT ME DYING.....can you guess who it is???
Well, I know it's not Palumbo, that man has already died many deaths..
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AGAIN THIS IS NOT ME DYING.....can you guess who it is???
"Guess who's dying?" is such a fun game. What a retard.
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USA competitor ???most are unknown anyway,,needle in haystack.
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USA competitor ???most are unknown anyway,,needle in haystack.
This one is quite easy actually I got a text from someone about it so I am sure others have too
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It's from PJ Braun
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It's from PJ Braun
makes sense he's only one i know,,,
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It's from PJ Braun
correct....very sad to read that he has lesions on his liver and is still trying for a stupid pro card and risking his entire life
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well few months ago he was less than stellar on stage condition wise .hope he recovers just for sake of his health ,,,don't know him wish no ill will ,,,dude is built well but for contest shape you have to bring it on stage and not just gym look,,,
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correct....very sad to read that he has lesions on his liver and is still trying for a stupid pro card and risking his entire life
Met him once, nice enough guy. Never gonna win his pro card though so why kill yourself?
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correct....very sad to read that he has lesions on his liver and is still trying for a stupid pro card and risking his entire life
PJ is one of the retards who doesn't have the genetics to be a pro but is too delusional to face reality and wants to force something his body is not meant to be.
Dude has to face the truth better sooner than later or he'll end up like Munzer.
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maybe he likes to win big sums of money
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Sad sack PeeJay has been dead for years. He just doesn`t know it yet.
You would have thought he`d have quit the pageant game after his drug bust.
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PJ is one of the retards who doesn't have the genetics to be a pro but is too delusional to face reality and wants to force something his body is not meant to be.
Dude has to face the truth better sooner than later or he'll end up like Munzer.
So true!
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ROCKET SCIENTIST NEEDED here.....
"Man I was telling Amber before I got sick how I felt I was lean enough to come up and practice with you now, and all pumped to ask and then a few days later tragedy strikes. I'm in so much pain dude...Im still dieting and not wanting to give up but I really gotta take a good long hard and SMART look at this to see if A- its even possible, B- I can do it without really messing myself up for the future"
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ROCKET SCIENTIST NEEDED here.....
"Man I was telling Amber before I got sick how I felt I was lean enough to come up and practice with you now, and all pumped to ask and then a few days later tragedy strikes. I'm in so much pain dude...Im still dieting and not wanting to give up but I really gotta take a good long hard and SMART look at this to see if A- its even possible, B- I can do it without really messing myself up for the future"
hopefully he chooses latter point,,,maybe he should really consider his life option not his fantasy life of being a pro bber like evan....
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Dude has both size and conditioning problems, what is he thinking? If he hasn't gotten big enough by now, it's never going to happen.
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billy why are you talking shit about pj? what next going to rip me up? we all made mistakes. come on man your better then that. seriously considering you would do anything to look like pj etc not cool bro. no reason to be like that ! DA
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jesus thats bad
Was thinking the same thing. It's almost like he knew death was around the corner.
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What were liver values on blood work?
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billy why are you talking shit about pj? what next going to rip me up? we all made mistakes. come on man your better then that. seriously considering you would do anything to look like pj etc not cool bro. no reason to be like that ! DA
DA Id hate to say it but BG is right. PJ just doesnt have it in the genetics department to make it. He guys trains hard as fu*k but he just wont be able to make it. Even if he doea put it together somehow for a qualifier and gets his pro card hell just be one of these 3rd tier pros. U see what he looked like a few months ago? so much damn gh that his connective tissue is thicker than the muscles they are connecting. Its the unfortunate reality. Id hate to see a guy do all the hard work required and just not have the potential .
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PJ is one of the retards who doesn't have the genetics to be a pro but is too delusional to face reality and wants to force something his body is not meant to be.
Dude has to face the truth better sooner than later or he'll end up like Munzer.
yup awful BB genetics.
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this thread is gold:
- Billy the fucktard guns is so illiterate he can't make a thread about someone else without it coming across that it is about himself
PJ G4P Brawn is suffering from a genetic predisposition to having liver trouble
Derrick Anthony comes to the rescue lest we forget he also suffers from a genetic predisposition to dying
I venture that this correlates with other findings like the fact that people who smoke 3 packs a day tend to develop a genetic pre- disposition to having lung/throat cancer.
Next week we will find out that tall jews who bodybuild have a genetic pre-disposition to become heroin addicts
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DA Id hate to say it but BG is right. PJ just doesnt have it in the genetics department to make it. He guys trains hard as fu*k but he just wont be able to make it. Even if he doea put it together somehow for a qualifier and gets his pro card hell just ne oje of these 3rd tier pros. U see what he looked like a few months ago? so much damn gh that his connective tissue is thicker than the muscles they are connecting. Its the unfortunate reality. Id hate to see a guy do all the hard work required and juat not have the potential .
very good post, also has 0 charisma. Sounds like we're comming down hard on him, but it's just telling the truth....
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very sad. A lot of the old dudes that used to drink with my dad also have liver genetic weakness. just bad luck.
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billy why are you talking shit about pj? what next going to rip me up? we all made mistakes. come on man your better then that. seriously considering you would do anything to look like pj etc not cool bro. no reason to be like that ! DA
Derek please explain talking shit about PJ? all the info here is in public domain on facebook and unlike all his so called friends cheering him on to still do USA's this is or should be a reality check or wakeup call for pj but I am sure it wont stop him.....
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jesus thats bad
Yes, epic hypertension.
By the way, PJ has the same problem. His face got all red as of late. Why do these morons let this even happen? It's not like there are millions of things that can kill you on gear. It's either fucking liver cancer, heart disease or kidney disease. Nothing else. How hard is it to check three organs? Or do they know they're sick but they simply do not care?
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billy why are you talking shit about pj? what next going to rip me up? we all made mistakes. come on man your better then that. seriously considering you would do anything to look like pj etc not cool bro. no reason to be like that ! DA
Yea sure, Derek....we make mistakes...however just like your kidneys....these problems were easily avoidable and it showed a complete oblivion to common sense as well as ignoring every warning that was given to you and him.
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Yea sure, Derek....we make mistakes...however just like your kidneys....these problems were easily avoidable and it showed a complete oblivion to common sense as well as ignoring every warning that was given to you and him.
gotta say, some hard truth spoken there...
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By the way, PJ has the same problem. His face got all red as of late. Why do these morons let this even happen? It's not like there are millions of things that can kill you on gear. It's either fucking liver cancer, heart disease or kidney disease. Nothing else. How hard is it to check three organs? Or do they know they're sick but they simply do not care?
The reason why this bodybuilder morons , like PJ Brown, do not check their 3 organs affected by steroid use is the following :
THEY ARE AFRAID THAT THE DOCTOR WOULD TELL THEM TO QUIT BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY SICK AND THEN THEY MIGHT HAVE TO STOP POSING IN THONGS IN FRONT OF A BUNCH OF DEPRAVED SCHMOES FOR A PLASTIC TROPHY ! ;)
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To be honest, I never checked anything either while I was "on". It seems a bit contradictory to do everything possible to damage your health (steroids), then try to stay healthy.
If you want to stay healthy, don't do steroids ???
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To be honest, I never checked anything either while I was "on". It seems a bit contradictory to do everything possible to damage your health (steroids), then try to stay healthy.
If you want to stay healthy, don't do steroids ???
You can stay healthy while on... A few readings may be a bit off, but nothing that would kill you.
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To be honest, I never checked anything either while I was "on". It seems a bit contradictory to do everything possible to damage your health (steroids), then try to stay healthy.
If you want to stay healthy, don't do steroids ???
Ignorant comment. People like you shouldn't do steroids.
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Ignorant comment. People like you shouldn't do steroids.
I would say that one that uses steroids while aiming to stay healthy, is plain retarded.
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You can stay healthy while on... A few readings may be a bit off, but nothing that would kill you.
Not in the short term no... ;)
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Ignorant comment. People like you shouldn't do steroids.
But please, do explain exactly WHY this is an ignorant comment? I would be very surprised if you can come up with 1 decent reason.
Do you actually believe doing steroids is NOT unhealthy?
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I hope this helps .
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This guy sounds like a fuckin bleeding vagina. "I'm fucked up but i'm okay." Aren't bodybuilders supposed to be tougher than average? This guy probably can't even get a scraped knee without posting it on facebook for attention. Just because you suck and can't make the cut at the USA's doesn;t mean you should pretend you're going to die to get people to look at you for something. What an asshole.
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I'd bet the house that its on non alcoholic fatty liver. If he doesn't lay off the chemicals, his liver will be toast eventually.
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(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/deetrakt/HDGR/h-pjbraun.jpg)
Who puts on a fucking hat other than kids to eat a burger
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Hey-- MD here-- if it is only a hemangioma that ruptured that is good news. The hemorrhage depends only
on the size of it. There are benign vascular tumors called hepatomas that seem to thrive on steroids and can become huge. These not only become problematic because they bleed, but they can also cause havoc by diversion of blood to the liver-- seen them cause cardiac issues in addition to the obvious bleeding. Look man sounds like nature's way of rx.'ing the problem. Give yourself a few weeks and get back to gym! U mentioned USAs? Sponsoring the guy who will probably win it!
I hope u are sponsoring Max Charles. He will probably win the USA, although he is not American. :)
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But please, do explain exactly WHY this is an ignorant comment? I would be very surprised if you can come up with 1 decent reason.
Do you actually believe doing steroids is NOT unhealthy?
Grams upon grams of AAS nonstop is certainly stupid. Responsible and reasonable use while getting labs done on a regular basis, every six months, is completely healthy and will likely have little to no negative health consequences.
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I disagree that he doesnt have good genetics, the man in a certain point in time looked great, maybe he packed the extra mass the wrong way or doesnt have the right "guru", maybe its mental, but that guy sure have what it takes physically to one day beat a lot of the abnominalities that walk around with a pro card nowadays
(http://www.nowhavefun.com/celebritypictures/d/121675-1/26+Pj+Braun+photo.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=372173.0;attach=408984;image)
(yea i know the pics are gay as hell, but bodybuilders have bills to pay too I guess)
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This thread just got a tad bit more interesting. Derek checking Billy, then Billy retaliates then lo and behold Vince throws a jab at Derek.
I'd say eh thread has about 15 pages potential.
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Grams upon grams of AAS nonstop is certainly stupid. Responsible and reasonable use while getting labs done on a regular basis, every six months, is completely healthy and will likely have little to no negative health consequences.
Anything taken at supraphysiological doses is unhealthy and will do damage to differing degrees.
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Grams upon grams of AAS nonstop is certainly stupid. Responsible and reasonable use while getting labs done on a regular basis, every six months, is completely healthy and will likely have little to no negative health consequences.
is this what you think or based on scientific research?
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I disagree that he doesnt have good genetics, the man in a certain point in time looked great, maybe he packed the extra mass the wrong way or doesnt have the right "guru", maybe its mental, but that guy sure have what it takes physically to one day beat a lot of the abnominalities that walk around with a pro card nowadays
(http://www.nowhavefun.com/celebritypictures/d/121675-1/26+Pj+Braun+photo.jpg)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=372173.0;attach=408984;image)
(yea i know the pics are gay as hell, but bodybuilders have bills to pay too I guess)
He's not big enough to become a pro no matter how you cut it.
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is this what you think or based on scientific research?
Yes, he's read thousands of studies done on bodybuilders ;)
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He's not big enough to become a pro no matter how you cut it.
Tier 9, if become a pro will be tier 1 or 2
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I'm not anti-steroids by the way, not at all. I just find the whole "you can do it without harm"-metality a bit laughable. Then when trouble rears its ugly head, they act all surprised as if trouble wasn't to be expected eventually. Come on guys!
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Far from pro-caliber
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Realities hard to face sometimes. I wish him the best, he's just trying to live his dream but the guy simply isn't big enough. He should really take a break and play smart. Sitting this year out won't be the end of the world.
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I would say that one that uses steroids while aiming to stay healthy, is plain retarded.
You lack a basic understanding of endocrinology
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You lack a basic understanding of endocrinology
Sure bro ::)
Please do explain why supraphysiological doses are not unhealthy
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Grams upon grams of AAS nonstop is certainly stupid. Responsible and reasonable use while getting labs done on a regular basis, every six months, is completely healthy and will likely have little to no negative health consequences.
This x100
Key word being responsible usage. This is basic stuff here for anyone who understands the science behind hormones
Reckless usage is another issue entirely.
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"The science behind" LOL
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"The science behind" LOL
Not a believer in science? No? Fair enough
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As if scientists would be doing studies on supraphysiological steroid doses used by bodybuilders ::)
But since you claim to know your endocrinology, please enlighten us why steroids are NOT unhealthy?
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As if scientists would be doing studies on supraphysiological steroid doses used by bodybuilders ::)
But since you claim to know your endocrinology, please enlighten us why steroids are NOT unhealthy?
There's lots of studies on supra physiological doses, you could spend hours reading them.
Question for you to research/ponder/explore!:
does your body produce testosterone? What happens if you introduce a synthetic form? How does it affect the negative feedback loop? What effect does this have on the HPTA? What are the effects of having infraphysiological testosterone levels in a male patient?
Introducing synthetic forms of testosterone in reasonable doses will not have devastating effects...that's just foolish thinking, and not supported by any current peer reviewed literature that I've ever come across.
Thousands of knowledgeable doctors who prescribe hormone replacement therapy would disagree with your points Champ. Steroids are safe, and fun for the whole family.
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HRT is not supraphysiological. Of course that won't have devastating effects.
I would like to see those studies on supraphysiological doses and them being safe ;)
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I hope u are sponsoring Max Charles. He will probably win the USA, although he is not American. :)
It that before or after his facial cosmetic surgery?? He raise any blisters on a stump yet?
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There's lots of studies on supra physiological doses, you could spend hours reading them.
Question for you to research/ponder/explore!:
does your body produce testosterone? What happens if you introduce a synthetic form? How does it affect the negative feedback loop? What effect does this have on the HPTA? What are the effects of having infraphysiological testosterone levels in a male patient?
Introducing synthetic forms of testosterone in reasonable doses will not have devastating effects...that's just foolish thinking, and not supported by any current peer reviewed literature that I've ever come across.
Thousands of knowledgeable doctors who prescribe hormone replacement therapy would disagree with your points Champ. Steroids are safe, and fun for the whole family.
You are a fucking idiot. No, there's not "a lot" of studies on supra doses. One or two 12 week studies with 600mg is not "a lot" and doesn't have much in common with bodybuilding doses and stacks anyway.
And what does "hormone replacement" have to do with bodybuilding anyway? Not a god damn thing.
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You are a fucking idiot. No, there's not "a lot" of studies on supra doses. One or two 12 week studies with 600mg is not "a lot" and doesn't have much in common with bodybuilding doses and stacks anyway.
And what does "hormone replacement" have to do with bodybuilding anyway? Not a god damn thing.
your argument is with somebody who has competed natural,and has not totally come clean with his knowledge on anabolics's yet ;)...whole thread few pages back he was featured...
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You are a fucking idiot. No, there's not "a lot" of studies on supra doses. One or two 12 week studies with 600mg is not "a lot" and doesn't have much in common with bodybuilding doses and stacks anyway.
And what does "hormone replacement" have to do with bodybuilding anyway? Not a god damn thing.
Thank you my friend ;)
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The Bhasin study is the only one I can remember and they only went up to 600 mg a week. There was also no information included concerning health damage and certainly no long term follow up done.
Of course higher doses over a longer period of time will do more harm, but that doesn't mean low doses over shorter periods of time are not harmful. Anything supraphysiological is not meant to be and thus is not healthy, period.
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The reason why this bodybuilder morons , like PJ Brown, do not check their 3 organs affected by steroid use is the following :
THEY ARE AFRAID THAT THE DOCTOR WOULD TELL THEM TO QUIT BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY SICK AND THEN THEY MIGHT HAVE TO STOP POSING IN THONGS IN FRONT OF A BUNCH OF DEPRAVED SCHMOES FOR A PLASTIC TROPHY ! ;)
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"depraved schmoes" haha I'm using that one
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Is that shit on the left one and semen on the right one's head ???
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dont know bro but love to meet them
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They appear to be interesting characters indeed
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With the latest one being PJ Braun....who's left to be in need of the ambulamps????
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is this what you think or based on scientific research?
Based on labs and a Nuclear Stress Test.
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Bay-esque drama in this topic by Goodrum. Sexual orientation might be the common link.
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Who has the connections here to make sure Vince gets his RX contract too?
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Far from pro-caliber
great symmetry
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great symmetry
:D
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They appear to be interesting characters indeed
thanks
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your argument is with somebody who has competed natural,and has not totally come clean with his knowledge on anabolics's yet ;)...whole thread few pages back he was featured...
I'm going to be a Dr.? I've had to take endless endo, biochem, and phys classes. Plus I'm a major bodybuilding nerd (no schmoes)...of course I have knowledge about hormones.
Also...my points are referring to "responsible. Reasonable doses". I'm in agreement that a pro BBer cycle is harmful. But if an HRT patient who bodybuilds (like several buds of mine) supplements with some added smaller doses, they will be supraphysiologal and yet show no negative sides or symptoms. I've seen it with my own eyes, I've done physicals on these guys, I've reviewed their blood work.
Who knows what will become of them in 20 years...but currently there is nothin to lead me to believe responsible usage in this situation is harmful.
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^^^ Never mind these idiots. They have the IQ of my pet rock... Look to all you steroid using haters... Guys have been, according to such smart studs as yourselves.... Abusing steroids for decades, so.... If they're that bad then tell me. Where the hell are all the dead bodies.
End thread and check mate on all you dumb ass bitches. Seriously, get a clue.
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Didnt Evan Centopani stop hanging out or doing guest posing and seminar with Pj becasue Pj was too deep in the Gay Prostitution during Seminars
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Didnt Evan Centopani stop hanging out or doing guest posing and seminar with Pj becasue Pj was too deep in the Gay Prostitution during Seminars
Nah, I think they just fell for the same schmoe.
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Nah, I think they just fell for the same schmoe.
good one
come on guys lets not go off topic here. this is not about whther steroids are good or bad for you ar responsible/crazy dosages
this thread is about ripping a new asshole on PJ who is one of the most delusional fools in this industry
god knows he is going to need a second one now that his non G4P personal training business is going to go shit
who the fuck will want to be trained by a guy that after 10 years of extreme trying cant even dial in for a 2nd rate amateur show and 2 months later is on the ER because his liver is gone?
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I'm going to be a Dr.? I've had to take endless endo, biochem, and phys classes. Plus I'm a major bodybuilding nerd (no schmoes)...of course I have knowledge about hormones.
Also...my points are referring to "responsible. Reasonable doses". I'm in agreement that a pro BBer cycle is harmful. But if an HRT patient who bodybuilds (like several buds of mine) supplements with some added smaller doses, they will be supraphysiologal and yet show no negative sides or symptoms. I've seen it with my own eyes, I've done physicals on these guys, I've reviewed their blood work.
Who knows what will become of them in 20 years...but currently there is nothin to lead me to believe responsible usage in this situation is harmful.
Fair enough, I can agree with this ;)
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^^^ Never mind these idiots. They have the IQ of my pet rock... Look to all you steroid using haters... Guys have been, according to such smart studs as yourselves.... Abusing steroids for decades, so.... If they're that bad then tell me. Where the hell are all the dead bodies.
End thread and check mate on all you dumb ass bitches. Seriously, get a clue.
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Fair enough, I can agree with this ;)
You or anyone who didn't agree would be an idiot.
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Fair enough, I can agree with this ;)
Don't you make Winkie Face at me bitch, we're fighting >:(
:D
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Don't you make Winkie Face at me bitch, we're fighting >:(
:D
Sorry about that :D
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^^^ Never mind these idiots. They have the IQ of my pet rock... Look to all you steroid using haters... Guys have been, according to such smart studs as yourselves.... Abusing steroids for decades, so.... If they're that bad then tell me. Where the hell are all the dead bodies.
End thread and check mate on all you dumb ass bitches. Seriously, get a clue.
It's not just the steroids. Rec drug abuse/alcohol and steroids use is at an all time high. By the looks of the dark circles under PJ braun's eye's and his latest comments on his health, I'm guessing he may be in some trouble. And now that insulin has come into the bodybuilding scene, high blood sugar and kidney problems are sure to follow(and is already happening) Derek A. posted a picture months ago before he admitted to his kidneys failing and just about everyone on the board already knew he was in deep shit internally. And even a couple people including myself pinpointed it to kidney's. Jay Cutler is starting to take on the look of someone who organs are being taxed. Also Ronnie Coleman and of course David Palumbo.
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Yea sure, Derek....we make mistakes...however just like your kidneys....these problems were easily avoidable and it showed a complete oblivion to common sense as well as ignoring every warning that was given to you and him.
shut up monkey boy go buy some braces ..
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shut up monkey boy go buy some braces ..
When u leaving to china for that black market kidney? Or are u going American pig or baboon kidney?
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When u leaving to china for that black market kidney? Or are u going American pig or baboon kidney?
I guessing American pig kidney would be much cheaper than baboon kidney. Any ideas on the going rate?
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Does Baboon kidney=Flex Wheelers kidney? Is this the code word?
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great symmetry
Clear skin/decent shape, don't know why he's checking into the gym in underwear tho? ???
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It's not just the steroids. Rec drug abuse/alcohol and steroids use is at an all time high. By the looks of the dark circles under PJ braun's eye's and his latest comments on his health, I'm guessing he may be in some trouble. And now that insulin has come into the bodybuilding scene, high blood sugar and kidney problems are sure to follow(and is already happening) Derek A. posted a picture months ago before he admitted to his kidneys failing and just about everyone on the board already knew he was in deep shit internally. And even a couple people including myself pinpointed it to kidney's. Jay Cutler is starting to take on the look of someone who organs are being taxed. Also Ronnie Coleman and of course David Palumbo.
You just nailed it Snoman, great point. It's the combo of steroids AND rec drugs that does damage. Moderate doses and your health will be fine
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This x100
Key word being responsible usage. This is basic stuff here for anyone who understands the science behind hormones
Reckless usage is another issue entirely.
What would you consider responsible usage? Not mocking or kidding, I'm curious
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What would you consider responsible usage? Not mocking or kidding, I'm curious
1-1.5 grams a week
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1-1.5 grams a week
I'm thinking between 500-750 tops per week.
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I'm thinking between 500-750 tops per week.
You think that's a set number that doesn't vary from person to person? Serious
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You think that's a set number that doesn't vary from person to person? Serious
I think those are responsible and reasonable numbers that most will not ever have any issues on.
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I think those are responsible and reasonable numbers that most will not ever have any issues on.
I cant argue with that.
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I think those are responsible and reasonable numbers that most will not ever have any issues on.
750 mgs is a solid dose, by the way, of any one steroid or total combined dose. If someone didn't see great results from that, their genetics prob aren't bb friendly.
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Besides Arnold's heart operation, has any other MR. Olympia champion ever had medical issues? (besides muscle injurys)
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Clear skin/decent shape, don't know why he's checking into the gym in underwear tho? ???
His left lat is half the size of his right :D
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Besides Arnold's heart operation, has any other MR. Olympia champion ever had medical issues? (besides muscle injurys)
Most aren't exactly old yet. I don't think any one would make health damage clearly related to usage public knowledge unless they have no choice.
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I'm thinking between 500-750 tops per week.
But which bodybuilder is doing this? You might be but you know as well as we all do that is far from common. First cycles over here are heavier than this.
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What would you consider responsible usage? Not mocking or kidding, I'm curious
That's the million dollar question isn't it!!! I def say its specific to each person...the second the negative sides/symptoms show up, I think you've passed that line of appropriate usage. My opinion would be somewhere under the 500-600mg/week range...but for some that's way, way too high, for others they're fine. That seems to be the issue with optimal dosing is that it's still NOT an exact science.
Or you can just say F*** it and do a gram a week of tren and 30IU a day of growth :D
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shut up monkey boy go buy some braces ..
He is right though, Derek. You were warned by people on here - and elsewhere - for over a decade. Seems that everybody saw it coming but you. It gets worse, you weren't even competing for a plastic trophy or a pro card: you were just trying to impress and arouse old men!
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Didnt Evan Centopani stop hanging out or doing guest posing and seminar with Pj becasue Pj was too deep in the Gay Prostitution during Seminars
I heard something along those lines as well. PJ isnt the sharpest tool in the shed and Evan didnt want shit like that in his circle. I also heard it was over some other bullshit as well, so who knows.