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Getbig Main Boards => General Topics => Topic started by: che on July 16, 2012, 03:13:58 PM
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Right Coach ?
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/documentary-construction-biggest-home-america-david-siegels-money-16785909
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One article says, "they are living in a 7 million dollar mansion until their other home is complete"
They must be devastated :-\
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Sooo, because this dude is rich, worked hard to get it, he can't spend his money how he wants? That's stupid. We live in a capitalist society where greed is good. Greed drives innovation. This house is just a byproduct of that.
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That house is hideous. Shows you money can't buy style.
Here is something 10x better...
(http://cdn.freshome.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/5.jpg)
(http://cdn.freshome.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/aatrial-house6.jpg)
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Or even this...
(http://activerain.com/image_store/uploads/5/3/5/1/8/ar124785539881535.jpg)
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what is your definition of socialism??
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Say what you want, it's his money to spend. And consider all the people he is employing building that place and all the contractors and suppliers and their employees who are benefiting.
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what is your definition of socialism??
This is about a GOLD DIGGING WHORE not socialism , I hope this helps .
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Sooo, because this dude is rich, worked hard to get it, he can't spend his money how he wants? That's stupid. We live in a capitalist society where greed is good. Greed drives innovation. This house is just a byproduct of that.
The hatred of Freedom is getting intense on getbig. :-\
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It's worked everywhere else.
It's just like my boss. I'm the one wearing work boots and doing the actual work, but he gets all the money. All that dumbfuck does is use a computer to design building plans that he KNOWS before he even starts the project is going to make him money because the computer figures it all out for him. The hardest "work" he does is waiting in line at the bank to get money to pay for the materials and permits (he doesn't even call on the permits himself), which he won't even do until the computer tells him he can make money.
Once I get my damned court fees paid off, I'm getting a savings account with my girlfriend so I can order people around while THEY do all the actual labor. We're supposed to get some big ass office building complex off of 21....I'd love to see his face when he sees me ordering people around. I'm going to laugh in his face and say "hey, the computer said it would make me lots of money."
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It's worked everywhere else.
It's just like my boss. I'm the one wearing work boots and doing the actual work, but he gets all the money. All that dumbfuck does is use a computer to design building plans that he KNOWS before he even starts the project is going to make him money because the computer figures it all out for him. The hardest "work" he does is waiting in line at the bank to get money to pay for the materials and permits (he doesn't even call on the permits himself), which he won't even do until the computer tells him he can make money.
Once I get my damned court fees paid off, I'm getting a savings account with my girlfriend so I can order people around while THEY do all the actual labor. We're supposed to get some big ass office building complex off of 21....I'd love to see his face when he sees me ordering people around. I'm going to laugh in his face and say "hey, the computer said it would make me lots of money."
You're quite the ignorant bastard.
If it's worked everywhere else, please go enjoy it. Don't force it on us.
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It's worked everywhere else.
It's just like my boss. I'm the one wearing work boots and doing the actual work, but he gets all the money. All that dumbfuck does is use a computer to design building plans that he KNOWS before he even starts the project is going to make him money because the computer figures it all out for him. The hardest "work" he does is waiting in line at the bank to get money to pay for the materials and permits (he doesn't even call on the permits himself), which he won't even do until the computer tells him he can make money.
Once I get my damned court fees paid off, I'm getting a savings account with my girlfriend so I can order people around while THEY do all the actual labor. We're supposed to get some big ass office building complex off of 21....I'd love to see his face when he sees me ordering people around. I'm going to laugh in his face and say "hey, the computer said it would make me lots of money."
HOW is getting a savings account with your girlfreind some kind of stepping stone to having the knowledge, contacts, experience, reputation and the willingness to take the business risk that your boss does.? A fricking savings account does not qualify you to "order people around"
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Sooo, because this dude is rich, worked hard to get it, he can't spend his money how he wants? That's stupid. We live in a capitalist society where greed is good. Greed drives innovation. This house is just a byproduct of that.
Fuck this worked hard bullshit, everyone should work hard. The way people worship rich people on this site is fucking bizarre.That is just some retarded understanding of economics. I'm in no way a socialist but you gotta be realistic. These guys don't create wealth they manipulate resources. Granted we very much need people to manipulate resources to keep competitive, but it doesn't mean there's any sense of honor in it. You get rich by manipulation. That may be a loaded word that signifies using people but it is what it is.
The problem with rich people is it often signifies a greater problem. If it's easy for one person to monopolize a market odds are the market has flaws that make it less competitive. Remember this manipulation is suppose to make us more competitive not less. So how can one argue that a bunch of rich people is the market functioning normally ???
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It's worked everywhere else.
It's just like my boss. I'm the one wearing work boots and doing the actual work, but he gets all the money. All that dumbfuck does is use a computer to design building plans that he KNOWS before he even starts the project is going to make him money because the computer figures it all out for him. The hardest "work" he does is waiting in line at the bank to get money to pay for the materials and permits (he doesn't even call on the permits himself), which he won't even do until the computer tells him he can make money.
Once I get my damned court fees paid off, I'm getting a savings account with my girlfriend so I can order people around while THEY do all the actual labor. We're supposed to get some big ass office building complex off of 21....I'd love to see his face when he sees me ordering people around. I'm going to laugh in his face and say "hey, the computer said it would make me lots of money."
Lol. God, what a loser. You sound like all the nurses who think they should get paid like doctors because they administer the medications. All the damn lazy doctors do is write the prescriptions they probably get from the internet anyway.
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Lol. God, what a loser. You sound like all the nurses who think they should get paid like doctors because they administer the medications. All the damn lazy doctors do is write the prescriptions they probably get from the internet anyway.
They shouldn't get paid like doctors, but it's a fact doctors won't delegate tasks, and would rather get paid 200 bucks an hours to do the trivial tasks of a nurse. It's a major issue in why healthcare is so dam expensive.
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A guy who starts from nothing and work his way up and has money i respect, what i hate is spoil loser kids who just live off their dads money without doing shit they are the scum of the earth.
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Don`t work hard. Work smart. The smarter you work, the less difficult it will be. If you are working hard, you are doing something wrong.
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HOW is getting a savings account with your girlfreind some kind of stepping stone to having the knowledge, contacts, experience, reputation and the willingness to take the business risk that your boss does.? A fricking savings account does not qualify you to "order people around"
Where the hell do you think the money is, dumb ass? I'll let you in on a little secret...it ain't at the cash store that cashes your checks. You ever see your boss at the cash store on Friday night? Exactly! That's because he's got an account with the bank's money. My girl knows someone that works at the bank...she's gonna set us up with a savings account. All we need is $1000 and she's gonna hook us up with an account where we can get money out of any of their banks.
Can't wait to see by boss' face when I'm flipping through stacks as roll past the job site...might even toss him some. lol
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Where the hell do you think the money is, dumb ass? I'll let you in on a little secret...it ain't at the cash store that cashes your checks. You ever see your boss at the cash store on Friday night? Exactly! That's because he's got an account with the bank's money. My girl knows someone that works at the bank...she's gonna set us up with a savings account. All we need is $1000 and she's gonna hook us up with an account where we can get money out of any of their banks.
Can't wait to see by boss' face when I'm flipping through stacks as roll past the job site...might even toss him some. lol
So....you get a "savings acct" with the GF and it is magically filled with cash for you to start a biz. Well Fuck me running! And to think I started my construction biz with hard work and growing the biz. I never knew I could just "get a savings acct" and I would have an instant biz.
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America has such a small houses. But I guess it's good contrast to their egos.
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HOW is getting a savings account with your girlfreind some kind of stepping stone to having the knowledge, contacts, experience, reputation and the willingness to take the business risk that your boss does.? A fricking savings account does not qualify you to "order people around"
Lol - spot on. I was reading his post thinking what the hell??
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I ask myself: What is better in life than reading an argument between getbiggers about politics and economics?
NOTHING! :D :D :D
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Don`t work hard. Work smart. The smarter you work, the less difficult it will be. If you are working hard, you are doing something wrong.
I agree
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It's worked everywhere else.
It's just like my boss. I'm the one wearing work boots and doing the actual work, but he gets all the money. All that dumbfuck does is use a computer to design building plans that he KNOWS before he even starts the project is going to make him money because the computer figures it all out for him. The hardest "work" he does is waiting in line at the bank to get money to pay for the materials and permits (he doesn't even call on the permits himself), which he won't even do until the computer tells him he can make money.
Once I get my damned court fees paid off, I'm getting a savings account with my girlfriend so I can order people around while THEY do all the actual labor. We're supposed to get some big ass office building complex off of 21....I'd love to see his face when he sees me ordering people around. I'm going to laugh in his face and say "hey, the computer said it would make me lots of money."
Soooooooooo your going to get a savings account, a big office and start ordering people around?? Can you send me some more diamond in the rough type info?? This shit is gold man gold. What else can you give me?? such detailed instructions on how to run a company!!
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Where the hell do you think the money is, dumb ass? I'll let you in on a little secret...it ain't at the cash store that cashes your checks. You ever see your boss at the cash store on Friday night? Exactly! That's because he's got an account with the bank's money. My girl knows someone that works at the bank...she's gonna set us up with a savings account. All we need is $1000 and she's gonna hook us up with an account where we can get money out of any of their banks.
Can't wait to see by boss' face when I'm flipping through stacks as roll past the job site...might even toss him some. lol
an account with the banks money is called a loan or a line of credit. Both of which you must pay back. you cant really be this fackin retarded can you?? You and your girlfriend sound like you guys would have trouble attacking long division math, let alone run a business. :D
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Where the hell do you think the money is, dumb ass? I'll let you in on a little secret...it ain't at the cash store that cashes your checks. You ever see your boss at the cash store on Friday night? Exactly! That's because he's got an account with the bank's money. My girl knows someone that works at the bank...she's gonna set us up with a savings account. All we need is $1000 and she's gonna hook us up with an account where we can get money out of any of their banks.
Can't wait to see by boss' face when I'm flipping through stacks as roll past the job site...might even toss him some. lol
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socialism is loser talk
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"This is why we need.socialism?
Group A - works for success
Group B - wants what group A has but is unwilling to put fourth the effort to achieve.even a little success.
See anything wrong with this picture?
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"This is why we need.socialism?
Group A - works for success
Group B - wants what group A has but is unwilling to put fourth the effort to achieve.even a little success.
See anything wrong with this picture?
Yeah because you size up nicely with people who have millions of dollars in wealth ::)
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Don`t work hard. Work smart. The smarter you work, the less difficult it will be. If you are working hard, you are doing something wrong.
In the beginning it has to be both. But for the most part I agree with this.
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Yeah because you size up nicely with people who have millions of dollars in wealth ::)
Having millions doesn't equate to success. Or are you that shallow?
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Having millions doesn't equate to success. Or are you that shallow?
Rofl, so you agree the rich are mostly place holders?
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Rofl, so you agree the rich are mostly place holders?
What do you mean by "place holders"
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Having millions doesn't equate to success. Or are you that shallow?
coach, cut the shit. you know as well as i do that you equate success with money. who are you kiddin'?
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Socialism doesn't spread wealth...it spreads misery.
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coach, cut the shit. you know as well as i do that you equate success with money. who are you kiddin'?
Yes, but it doesn't take millions.
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Yes, but it doesn't take millions.
Bahahahahhhah are you fucking kidding me ::) Your such a smuck.
Your advocating for a group of people you'll never be part of, just so your free to gouge kids out of their parents college funds with the desperate hope they might get a sports scholarship ::)
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Bahahahahhhah are you fucking kidding me ::) Your such a smuck.
Your advocating for a group of people you'll never be part of, just so your free to gouge kids out of their parents college funds with the desperate hope they might get a sports scholarship ::)
Do you have ANY clue on what you're saying? Hope they get a sports scholarship? What the fuck does that even mean??
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Do you have ANY clue on what you're saying? Hope they get a sports scholarship? What the fuck does that even mean??
Your clients that you train, are they or are they not, mostly high school kids?
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Your clients that you train, are they or are they not, mostly high school kids?
and?
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Yes, but it doesn't take millions.
Tell me, what would you consider successful? There have been quite a few geniuses throughout history who make great scientific contributions and change the world, but wind up dead broke? Would you consider them failures because they didnt have money or cars or big houses? ::) ::) Yet, their ideas are worth more than you will probably ever be or make or contribute to this world. But you probably think you are more successful than them. :-\ You clearly stated that money equals success, so I guess they wouldnt be successful? ::)
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Do you have ANY clue on what you're saying? Hope they get a sports scholarship? What the fuck does that even mean??
What he means is you milk high school kids and their parents out of money and trick them into believing that they may get a college scholarship.
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Where the hell do you think the money is, dumb ass? I'll let you in on a little secret...it ain't at the cash store that cashes your checks. You ever see your boss at the cash store on Friday night? Exactly! That's because he's got an account with the bank's money. My girl knows someone that works at the bank...she's gonna set us up with a savings account. All we need is $1000 and she's gonna hook us up with an account where we can get money out of any of their banks.
Can't wait to see by boss' face when I'm flipping through stacks as roll past the job site...might even toss him some. lol
You've got to be kidding? ;D
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What he means is you milk high school kids and their parents out of money and trick them into believing that they may get a college scholarship.
Out of 35 HS seniors I had last this year, 17 are leaving on athletic scholarships at no lower than D2 schools in various sports. Mostly football and baseball and most have been with me since they were either in Jr. High or High School Freshmen. in short, they would make you look like a child in a weight room or field. Not even close to kidding. But whatever, you've already indicated you're just on here to piss me off so............fuck you.
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Out of 35 HS seniors I had last this year, 17 are leaving on athletic scholarships at no lower than D2 schools in various sports. Mostly football and baseball and most have been with me since they were either in Jr. High or High School Freshmen. in short, they would make you look like a child in a weight room or field. Not even close to kidding. But whatever, you've already indicated you're just on here to piss me off so............fuck you.
Hey dickhead, I was only interpreting what mikemaq said. I never said you milked people out of money. You were confused what mikemaq said so I was clarifying it for you.
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Out of 35 HS seniors I had last this year, 17 are leaving on athletic scholarships at no lower than D2 schools in various sports. Mostly football and baseball and most have been with me since they were either in Jr. High or High School Freshmen. in short, they would make you look like a child in a weight room or field. Not even close to kidding. But whatever, you've already indicated you're just on here to piss me off so............fuck you.
Good thing I dont give a shit about lifting more weight than them or competing with them on a field, you idiot lol.
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Yes he has the right to do what he wants with his money, is it ethical to do this? imo not, certainly not in a world with still so much poverty.
and yes they have awfull taste indeed.
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Don`t work hard. Work smart. The smarter you work, the less difficult it will be. If you are working hard, you are doing something wrong.
Best comment in this thread. Took me years to figure out that working 14 hours per day, including weekends, was doing nothing but make me tired. Now I work 4 hours per day (the rest I spend on GB and other sites), get paid for 8, and my income has doubled.
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Best comment in this thread. Took me years to figure out that working 14 hours per day, including weekends, was doing nothing but make me tired. Now I work 4 hours per day (the rest I spend on GB and other sites), get paid for 8, and my income has doubled.
Same deal my brother. Just finished my 5 hour work day. 8)
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It's worked everywhere else.
It's just like my boss. I'm the one wearing work boots and doing the actual work, but he gets all the money. All that dumbfuck does is use a computer to design building plans that he KNOWS before he even starts the project is going to make him money because the computer figures it all out for him. The hardest "work" he does is waiting in line at the bank to get money to pay for the materials and permits (he doesn't even call on the permits himself), which he won't even do until the computer tells him he can make money.
Once I get my damned court fees paid off, I'm getting a savings account with my girlfriend so I can order people around while THEY do all the actual labor. We're supposed to get some big ass office building complex off of 21....I'd love to see his face when he sees me ordering people around. I'm going to laugh in his face and say "hey, the computer said it would make me lots of money."
Dude - I admire you wanting to take action & all
BUT
Savings account with your girlfriend - do you know know how that's going to pan out long term?
And errrr - what makes you think your boss will lose any sleep when he loses you as a hired hand?
Issues. Definitely. Future & present.
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HOW is getting a savings account with your girlfreind some kind of stepping stone to having the knowledge, contacts, experience, reputation and the willingness to take the business risk that your boss does.? A fricking savings account does not qualify you to "order people around"
I think his girlfriend is doing the ordering by the sound of things.
Poor schmuck - getting bossed around at home & work....
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And errrr - what makes you think your boss will lose any sleep when he loses you as a hired hand?
Because his boss can't find an even cheaper hispanic replacement?
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Where the hell do you think the money is, dumb ass? I'll let you in on a little secret...it ain't at the cash store that cashes your checks. You ever see your boss at the cash store on Friday night? Exactly! That's because he's got an account with the bank's money. My girl knows someone that works at the bank...she's gonna set us up with a savings account. All we need is $1000 and she's gonna hook us up with an account where we can get money out of any of their banks.
You mean an ATM?
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To be somewhat on topic: Yes, every country needs socialism to a degree. To be specific: every country needs democratic socialism -- but not revolutionary socialism. The opportunities to excel should be balanced by adequate safety nets for those who fail to excel. The fact is we cannot all excel, so people who 'lose' the rat race should be taken care of decently. not out of the goodness of our hearts, but because it is cheaper than the alternative. Ghettos and the people in them represent a waste of capital that could be put to good use.
My personal view: a decent living wage, health care and schooling for all those who CANNOT work, decent health care and nothing else for those WILL NOT work. Also I would support the government being able to force people to work. If you're living off the government's money, you are an employee who should do as told. As soon as you stop receiving government assistance, you get your freedom back. Again: the exception being people who are handicapped and are simply not able to work.
But in general, I think it is absurd that immigrants are needed for jobs where healthy, unemployed citizens are so numerous.
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bunch of jealous people lol
find it ironic people bashing million dollar homes while sitting in their mommies basement
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There is something disgusting about a rich jew with a white woman half his age being defended by getbig. If this is freedom then freedom can go to hell
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Socialism is a stop-gap, it keeps the poor masses in 'decent' conditions and lifestyles so they don't cause any trouble and just stay in their housing estates.
Even if it leads to generations of families not working a day of their life and living off the state.
Here in the UK I think it suits the ruling elites quite well.
This is a price they can easily afford allowing them to have the best of both worlds.
The top of society can keep their lifestyles while the poor are kept content with their lot in life and not cause any trouble.
The Romans used to subsidize the people living in their capital city with free wine, bread and public spectacles and entertainment.
Why would a government do this.....?
As a Libertarian, my problem with socialism is that it gives the state too much power and control over society.
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Socialism is a stop-gap, it keeps the poor masses in 'decent' conditions and lifestyles so they don't cause any trouble and just stay in their housing estates.
Even if it leads to generations of families not working a day of their life and living off the state.
Here in the UK I think it suits the ruling elites quite well.
This is a price they can easily afford allowing them to have the best of both worlds.
The top of society can keep their lifestyles while the poor are kept content with their lot in life and not cause any trouble.
The Romans used to subsidize the people living in their capital city with free wine, bread and public spectacles and entertainment.
Why would a government do this.....?
Yes, it's a stopgap. Just like every other form of government, ever. Consider the alternative. Cut off the money supply to the have-nots. Then you have a violent, nationwide revolution where tremendous amounts of capital are destroyed. The end result being, that NOBODY has anything. So keeping the poor happy is a very utilitarian goal, not a pinko dream.
As a Libertarian, my problem with socialism is that it gives the state too much power and control over society.
Who else should have that power and control? Those poor masses can't even help themselves, so they certainly shouldn't have control.
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Sooo, because this dude is rich, worked hard to get it, he can't spend his money how he wants? That's stupid. We live in a capitalist society where greed is good. Greed drives innovation. This house is just a byproduct of that.
Greed is not good, by stating that, the greedy obese man/woman by definition is good, healthy and should be what we all aspire to. Moderation is best, even in a capitalist society.
Greed doesn't necessarily drive innovation. One can say, a greedy peson becomes innovative due to his necessity to feed his greed (like any other addiction).
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Greed is not good, by stating that, the greedy obese man/woman by definition is good, healthy and should be what we all aspire to. Moderation is best, even in a capitalist society.
Greed doesn't necessarily drive innovation. One can say, a greedy peson becomes innovative due to his necessity to feed his greed (like any other addiction).
All scientific advances are made by crack whores. :P
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Yes, it's a stopgap. Just like every other form of government, ever. Consider the alternative. Cut off the money supply to the have-nots. Then you have a violent, nationwide revolution where tremendous amounts of capital are destroyed. The end result being, that NOBODY has anything. So keeping the poor happy is a very utilitarian goal, not a pinko dream.
Who else should have that power and control? Those poor masses can't even help themselves, so they certainly shouldn't have control.
I'm not saying it's good or bad, it's just the reality.
Once the system is entrenched in society and people are used to it, taking it away would just cause chaos and a crime-wave. I'm aware of that.
With regards to your second point:
I don't believe in absolutes, but generally the balance should sway towards less central government control in society. More regional and local power as opposed to that of the state.
The problem is that once you introduce these socialist concepts, people become dependent on them and then the system is basically stuck there.
There's no such thing as 'free' housing etc....someone is always paying for it. Actually, it's mostly the working classes who are paying for it. Proportionately, the wealthy pay less tax...as in a third of their pay-check is going to hurt them far less than a third of a labourers.
Plus there's still VAT and all kinds of other taxes besides income tax.
All this lead to increased prices of everything and higher inflation. Who pays for the taxes on fuel.....? The people buying the delivered products in stores because of increased transport costs.
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I'm not saying it's good or bad, it's just the reality.
Once the system is entrenched in society and people are used to it, taking it away would just cause chaos and a crime-wave. I'm aware of that.
With regards to your second point:
I don't believe in absolutes, but generally the balance should sway towards less central government control in society. More regional and local power as opposed to that of the state.
The problem is that once you introduce these socialist concepts, people become dependent on them and then the system is basically stuck there.
There's no such thing as 'free' housing etc....someone is always paying for it. Actually, it's mostly the working classes who are paying for it. Proportionately, the wealthy pay less tax...as in a third of their pay-check is going to hurt them far less than a third of a labourers.
Plus there's still VAT and all kinds of other taxes besides income tax.
All this lead to increased prices of everything and higher inflation. Who pays for the taxes on fuel.....? The people buying the delivered products in stores because of increased transport costs.
I agree 100% with this post. I misinterpreted your previous post as being rabid "all government is evil" sentiment. Oops. :)
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Where the hell do you think the money is, dumb ass? I'll let you in on a little secret...it ain't at the cash store that cashes your checks. You ever see your boss at the cash store on Friday night? Exactly! That's because he's got an account with the bank's money. My girl knows someone that works at the bank...she's gonna set us up with a savings account. All we need is $1000 and she's gonna hook us up with an account where we can get money out of any of their banks.
Can't wait to see by boss' face when I'm flipping through stacks as roll past the job site...might even toss him some. lol
Obvious trolling.
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They will probably never rebound financially. Las Vegas is never going to rise like it has in the past. Macau in Asia is now the world's biggest earning entertainment / Casino city earning 4 times more than Las Vegas.
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socialism is loser talk
Sure ::)
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Those with heart will never forget the ones who fought for better future and justice :D
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That house is hideous. Shows you money can't buy style.
Here is something 10x better...
(http://cdn.freshome.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/5.jpg)
(http://cdn.freshome.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/aatrial-house6.jpg)
How did you find out where I live?
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A guy who starts from nothing and work his way up and has money i respect, what i hate is spoil loser kids who just live off their dads money without doing shit they are the scum of the earth.
I disagree. There are a lot more people who get everything handed to them, that fuck it up as opposed to keeping it. Just watch the news if you don't believe me.
For example my friends dad owns his own food distribution company that he started on his own. Now he makes a fortune, and my friend is pretty much a loser, drinking and drugs take up most of his time. His father is giving him nothing of his company. This kid could have coasted through life, but struggles to keep afloat.
Every mega millions winner files for bankruptcy. Many pro athletes are dead broke. Its just very hard to keep something you didn't earn yourself.
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Fuck this worked hard bullshit, everyone should work hard. The way people worship rich people on this site is fucking bizarre.That is just some retarded understanding of economics. I'm in no way a socialist but you gotta be realistic. These guys don't create wealth they manipulate resources. Granted we very much need people to manipulate resources to keep competitive, but it doesn't mean there's any sense of honor in it. You get rich by manipulation. That may be a loaded word that signifies using people but it is what it is.
The problem with rich people is it often signifies a greater problem. If it's easy for one person to monopolize a market odds are the market has flaws that make it less competitive. Remember this manipulation is suppose to make us more competitive not less. So how can one argue that a bunch of rich people is the market functioning normally ???
I worked hard to get where I'm at. I took the risks, I put in the work, I put up the money.
My business partner and I put up $2,000 a piece to start our company. That paid for insurance and the lawyer fees for setting up the company as well as a small cushion. We worked full time jobs, and did our business (construction related) on our nights and weekends. We didn't take a vacation or day off for over two years. It was hard, but we were able to get it up and rolling. Now, I have a handful of employees who do the labor, but they bear no risk. I have to still get work, I have to come up with $50,000 a month to pay the bills, not them. Obviously there is some reward for bearing that responsibility. My wife and I are both hard workers, and will knock down some serious coin this year, just like the last few. Now, I have started another company with $10,000 last year, and it is starting to boom now. It is always easy to make more money once you have some, it's just gettIng over the hump. Poor decisions lead you to the hole you can't get out of, not some "rich guy" pulling all of the strings.
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The only true government is self government, the only true religion is a private and personal one. Everything else is force.
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The only true government is self government, the only true religion is a private and personal one. Everything else is force.
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hmm interadasting..
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I have nothing against anyone who makes money and enjoys it. I have a problem with people demanding the government take care of them with the workers tax dollars. The government has no money except for what they take from the workers. The slackers can go to hell. Right now takers are growing at an alarming rate and they vote. It's scary. People are finding out they can recieve social security disability for life by claiming a mental illness or a back pain. Disability payments in three years have gone through the roof.
By the way Che was evil no matter how many tee shirts have his image. He slit the throats of a lot of captured soldiers. Also the only ones who lived a good life in Cuba after the "revolution" was the ones in goverment under Castro. Everyone else suffered through poverty. If you had a decent house in Cuba it was taken from you to give to people in government to live. Anyone who made money suddenly found it was taken from them. Batista was completely corrupt but talk to any Cuban in America what they think about Che and Castro. They betrayed the trust the Cuban people put in them. By the way I am Cuban.
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Socialism is for the poor lazy sap who doesn't want to go out and get something for himself....always wanting to live on someone's else's dime....because anyone who has money or a good lifestyle obtained it by ill-gotten gains.
Guess what the US unemployment rate is for those who have Bachelors Degrees? Guess the kind of lifestyle people have who work their asses while not making disastrously stupid decisions(abusing drugs, having children at 18, etc...)?
In the US, being poor as an adult is a decision that you make. Since you have chosen that condition, please keep your filthy Occupy sign-waving hands out of my pockets.
I don't worry about what mega rich people have(Getbiggers). Is there anything out there stopping you from obtaining an education? Is there anything out there preventing you from researching a field where gainful employment could be had(no....a Masters in Minority Womens Rights with $150k+ in debt is not smart) once your schooling is complete? Is there anything stopping you from working an extra job while you go to school or to purchase something you may want? The answers to all of these is no.
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Socialism is for the poor lazy sap who doesn't want to go out and get something for himself....always wanting to live on someone's else's dime....because anyone who has money or a good lifestyle obtained it by ill-gotten gains.
Guess what the US unemployment rate is for those who have Bachelors Degrees? Guess the kind of lifestyle people have who work their asses while not making disastrously stupid decisions(abusing drugs, having children at 18, etc...)?
In the US, being poor as an adult is a decision that you make. Since you have chosen that condition, please keep your filthy Occupy sign-waving hands out of my pockets.
I don't worry about what mega rich people have(Getbiggers). Is there anything out there stopping you from obtaining an education? Is there anything out there preventing you from researching a field where gainful employment could be had(no....a Masters in Minority Womens Rights with $150k+ in debt is not smart) once your schooling is complete? Is there anything stopping you from working an extra job while you go to school or to purchase something you may want? The answers to all of these is no.
You sound bootstrap-ey.
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I worked hard to get where I'm at. I took the risks, I put in the work, I put up the money.
But were these risks a benefit to the overall economy. If I go 1 mill indebt, and can't pay it back I'm a welfare leach, but if I shake out the other debters I'm a self made man. This system wreaks of bullshit. Would also explain the large amount of personal debt floating around out there. That's ignoring corrupt practices of those involved in the businesses themselves just to edge out another debter.
You mention once you have money it's easy to make money which again is another issue altogether.
What rewards risk is too often ignored.
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That house is hideous. Shows you money can't buy style.
Here is something 10x better...
(http://cdn.freshome.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/5.jpg)
(http://cdn.freshome.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/aatrial-house6.jpg)
how can you jump in that pool without it "spilling over"? looks like there is about 3 inches of space between the surface of the water and the top of the walls...
or is it some sort of "fountain" type fixture?
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I have nothing against anyone who makes money and enjoys it. I have a problem with people demanding the government take care of them with the workers tax dollars. The government has no money except for what they take from the workers. The slackers can go to hell. Right now takers are growing at an alarming rate and they vote. It's scary. People are finding out they can recieve social security disability for life by claiming a mental illness or a back pain. Disability payments in three years have gone through the roof.
By the way Che was evil no matter how many tee shirts have his image. He slit the throats of a lot of captured soldiers. Also the only ones who lived a good life in Cuba after the "revolution" was the ones in goverment under Castro. Everyone else suffered through poverty. If you had a decent house in Cuba it was taken from you to give to people in government to live. Anyone who made money suddenly found it was taken from them. Batista was completely corrupt but talk to any Cuban in America what they think about Che and Castro. They betrayed the trust the Cuban people put in them. By the way I am Cuban.
Straight facts. Thanks for bringing quality content to this thread. SRS
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how can you jump in that pool without it "spilling over"? looks like there is about 3 inches of space between the surface of the water and the top of the walls...
or is it some sort of "fountain" type fixture?
You can't have that house where it snows or rains often. Image 3 feet of snow on that roof. Or 3 inches of standing water.
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We do need more. Better to have everyone doing ok than a handfuls of super rich living off the blood and sweat of the poor masses.
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You can't have that house where it snows or rains often. Image 3 feet of snow on that roof. Or 3 inches of standing water.
Pretty sure the architect(s) has(ve) foreseen such occurrences, at least over the short-term. Thinking Fallingwater, or Johnson's Glass House?
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Pretty sure the architect(s) has(ve) foreseen such occurrences, at least over the short-term. Thinking Fallingwater, or Johnson's Glass House?
Sometimes, but even such places, if they are located in places with a good amount of snowfall, the artictect would have more angled (pitched) roofs.
I don't know too much about buildings so, I could be very wrong, but I know that the buildings in my area that had leaks due to significant rainfall or had the roof cave in, all had flat roofs ( buildins like stores, schools, etc).
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Or even this...
(http://activerain.com/image_store/uploads/5/3/5/1/8/ar124785539881535.jpg)
Fuck! Some people live enchanted lives. Imagine having a house like that. It would be raining pussy!
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But were these risks a benefit to the overall economy. If I go 1 mill indebt, and can't pay it back I'm a welfare leach, but if I shake out the other debters I'm a self made man. This system wreaks of bullshit. Would also explain the large amount of personal debt floating around out there. That's ignoring corrupt practices of those involved in the businesses themselves just to edge out another debter.
You mention once you have money it's easy to make money which again is another issue altogether.
What rewards risk is too often ignored.
Dude, the majority of welfare leeches aren't people who lose a million dollars. People who take calculated risks, make good things happen. There is a difference between a calculated risk, and reckless spending. I will never be broke(knock on wood), but if I ever fell on hard times, I'd know exactly how to prop myself back up. No one can take your intelligence or drive to succeed. That's what successful peoe have on their side, they don't give up when the chips are down. This is also helped by not making stupid decisions that you can't get yourself out of, that keep compounding the problem. I got plenty of those working for me.
Now, I have a question for you, at what point do you just say to the person, "sorry, you are a fuck up, and this is you shot at life, and you screwed it up"? See, at some point you have to let the person drown, and concentrate on yourself.
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Straight facts. Thanks for bringing quality content to this thread. SRS
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Just watched "In Time", it's clearly geared toward socialism.
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Now, I have a question for you, at what point do you just say to the person, "sorry, you are a fuck up, and this is you shot at life, and you screwed it up"? See, at some point you have to let the person drown, and concentrate on yourself.
The problem is this: That person then gets nothing, and is forced to either rob you at gunpoint, or rob you via taxes. The latter is just more practical for all involved. Unless you favor the South American situation, where you would have to live in a walled community, and nobody in your family can ever go outside without bodyguards and bulletproof cars.
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The person is forced to rob you. ::)
Youre smart bro
Smart enough to find the apostrophe on my keyboard. But by all means, try forming a coherent rebuttal! I'll wait.
And wait.
And wait.
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Brilliant. You are a force to be reckoned with, tiger. Please enlighten us as to why people are forced to rob other people at gunpoint. Elaborate on that little gem, please. Hahaha.
Ps. I laugh at you because youre a joke gimmick
So you are saying (just guessing, seen nothing but evasion yet) that unfettered crony capitalism does NOT leave 99.9% of people destitute? With only every non-1st-world country as proof positive? And you are saying that those 99.9% will all just live in ever worsening conditions without ever taking action to take back some wealth? With, again, every non-1st-world country as proof positive?
So in your world e.g. Mexico City is a great place to drive around with your car doors unlocked, you don't need locks on your house, and bodyguards for anyone being even moderately well off are only for keeping paparazzi away? Alrighty then...
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What makes people think that they can get authentic socialism instead of crooked capitalism? People behind the scenes do not change, so you get the same thing under a different name.
As years go by the general dork demands yet another system where s/he has more chances to blossom.
Social fascism is en vogue because the clever ones have shaved off so much wealth that for the common citizen a more "organized" way of life is required and promoted as a antidote to all problems.
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(http://deadnazi.net/lulz/nazi-cake.jpg)
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You seem to be batshit crazy.
In what way did you elaborate or make any kind of argument as to why people that are poor are forced to rob other people at gunpoint?
Kindly elaborate on your point that poor people are forced to rob others at gunpoint. These look to be the ramblings of a very out of touch individual. Lets get you some help, delicate little butterfly.
Again not a single rebuttal. You sound like someone who has never known any shit, and got everything handed to her. But I'm in a good mood and buzzing with caffeine, so I'll indulge you.
Let's say that you are a dejected slum dweller. You have mouths to feed. You see a small minority driving around in Ferraris. Those very same people that have made sure that your children have no access to health care, education, capital, opportunities, or a fair legal system. In that case there are three possible outcomes.
1. You accept your lot in life like a little bitch (which is what most do),
2. You work very hard to better yourself through honest hard work (a small percentage tries, but ultimately fails at near a 100% rate because of aforementioned inequality),
3. You take a piss on the people who have done this to you, and take shit by force that you cannot get any other way.
Personally I have nothing but disgust for group 1. Group 2 are good people, but deluded thinking they will ever be allowed to rise above their station. Group 3 are people who take control of their own destiny. Their methods may not be ideal, but certainly understandable. And they get shit done if there are enough of them.
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What makes people think that they can get authentic socialism instead of crooked capitalism? People behind the scenes do not change, so you get the same thing under a different name.
As years go by the general dork demands yet another system where s/he has more chances to blossom.
Social fascism is en vogue because the clever ones have shaved off so much wealth that for the common citizen a more "organized" way of life is required and promoted as a antidote to all problems.
Now that's a very good point. Human nature does not change. However, apathetically accepting the current system because its replacement is likely to become just as bad? If lessons are learned from the past, then it is possible that the next system will be somewhat better. It's unlikely, and it may be only marginally better, but there is a small chance for improvement.
So if the lesson learned would be: kill all bankers and then start again, then why not give it a try? The current system is certainly broken, but the future is not set in stone.
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Again not a single rebuttal. You sound like someone who has never known any shit, and got everything handed to her. But I'm in a good mood and buzzing with caffeine, so I'll indulge you.
Let's say that you are a dejected slum dweller. You have mouths to feed. You see a small minority driving around in Ferraris. Those very same people that have made sure that your children have no access to health care, education, capital, opportunities, or a fair legal system. In that case there are three possible outcomes.
1. You accept your lot in life like a little bitch (which is what most do),
2. You work very hard to better yourself through honest hard work (a small percentage tries, but ultimately fails at near a 100% rate because of aforementioned inequality),
3. You take a piss on the people who have done this to you, and take shit by force that you cannot get any other way.
Personally I have nothing but disgust for group 1. Group 2 are good people, but deluded thinking they will ever be allowed to rise above their station. Group 3 are people who take control of their own destiny. Their methods may not be ideal, but certainly understandable. And they get shit done if there are enough of them.
Entitlement much?
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Entitlement much?
So if your children are starving, you'd sit back and let them starve if your 'masters' told you to? Your name is Toby!
Also, I'm pretty sure many countries have laws guaranteeing an honest judicial system to all of its citizens. So if you're not getting something which you are constitutionally mandated to get, then yes, that is entitlement.
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So if your children are starving, you'd sit back and let them starve if your 'masters' told you to? Your name is Toby!
You don't have a clue on how these folks earned their money. They could have spent a lifetime earning it or none at all.
I don't like this "just take it away from those who have something" mentality.
If you had a lot of wealth, what would you realistically do with it?
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Lol at you trying to sound intellectual. .
To me it's not a stretch, but I can see why it would look difficult to you.
What an amzing point. Clearly poor people are forced to rob at gunpoint. Congratulations. Why dont you use your mouth for what is usually used for and that is as a cock garage for your boyfriends warty cock. Hahaha youre a joke bitch
So you would beg? Says a lot about you.
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Socialism is a stop-gap, it keeps the poor masses in 'decent' conditions and lifestyles so they don't cause any trouble and just stay in their housing estates.
Even if it leads to generations of families not working a day of their life and living off the state.
Here in the UK I think it suits the ruling elites quite well.
This is a price they can easily afford allowing them to have the best of both worlds.
The top of society can keep their lifestyles while the poor are kept content with their lot in life and not cause any trouble.
The Romans used to subsidize the people living in their capital city with free wine, bread and public spectacles and entertainment.
Why would a government do this.....?
As a Libertarian, my problem with socialism is that it gives the state too much power and control over society.
well said. what the OP doesn't seem to understand is that socialism is a form of government that comes at a price. just like capitalism comes at a price. just as corporations have seized too much power in the eyes of some doesn't he recognize that the government can hold too much power as well and also abuse that power?
it's funny to me that liberals imply that they trust government by pushing for more and more government control of the markets. I seem to remember a time when just about half this country believed that our president planned 9/11 and murdered in cold blood thousands of innocent American civilians. And now they want to hand over more power to that same government?
And remember. Pelosi, Kerry, Biden, Clinton ALL voted to go to war. Mainstream media blatantly leaves those facts out when discussing "Bush's war". So they are handing over more power to the same people they accused of murder not even 10 years ago? I just don't get their logic. And i'm guessing it's because there is none to understand.
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I worked hard to get where I'm at. I took the risks, I put in the work, I put up the money.
My business partner and I put up $2,000 a piece to start our company. That paid for insurance and the lawyer fees for setting up the company as well as a small cushion. We worked full time jobs, and did our business (construction related) on our nights and weekends. We didn't take a vacation or day off for over two years. It was hard, but we were able to get it up and rolling. Now, I have a handful of employees who do the labor, but they bear no risk. I have to still get work, I have to come up with $50,000 a month to pay the bills, not them. Obviously there is some reward for bearing that responsibility. My wife and I are both hard workers, and will knock down some serious coin this year, just like the last few. Now, I have started another company with $10,000 last year, and it is starting to boom now. It is always easy to make more money once you have some, it's just gettIng over the hump. Poor decisions lead you to the hole you can't get out of, not some "rich guy" pulling all of the strings.
you`re hard work with 1500 posts on GETBIG hehehe trollllll
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you`re hard work with 1500 posts on GETBIG hehehe trollllll
Come down Phil :D
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What comes after socialism?
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So if your children are starving, you'd sit back and let them starve if your 'masters' told you to? Your name is Toby!
Also, I'm pretty sure many countries have laws guaranteeing an honest judicial system to all of its citizens. So if you're not getting something which you are constitutionally mandated to get, then yes, that is entitlement.
Dude, they are masters because they made good decisions through life, where as a poor person made bad decisions. What you are saying is talking about survival instincts. Sure if I was hungry, and my family was hungry, would I want to feed them by any means necessary? Probably, but once you start down that road, anarchy ensues, and the world goes down in flames. Don't blame the rich for your problems people, blame yourself.
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Dude, they are masters because they made good decisions through life, where as a poor person made bad decisions. What you are saying is talking about survival instincts. Sure if I was hungry, and my family was hungry, would I want to feed them by any means necessary? Probably, but once you start down that road, anarchy ensues, and the world goes down in flames. Don't blame the rich for your problems people, blame yourself.
While I agree with you in part, be aware that most revolutions began when the have nots had nothing more to lose.
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While I agree with you in part, be aware that most revolutions began when the have nots had nothing more to lose.
Oh, that's why I'm looking for some property both here (in the boonies) and abroad. Just in case I have to pull the rip cord.
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Oh, that's why I'm looking for some property both here (in the boonies) and abroad. Just in case I have to pull the rip cord.
Our garden is still for sale.
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People with money don't owe anyone shit. Most super rich people actually donate millions of dollars. I would definately take care of my family and friends if I were rich.
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We need socialism in America....Like we need a hole in the head.
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We need socialism in America....Like we need a hole in the head.
Every advanced country practices socialism to some degree. Unemployment and welfare are part of it. So is helping those who have lost everything in a tornado or earthquake. Perhaps you would prefer living in a shithole like Bangladesh or Somalia where you have to step over the dead and starving to get to the gym.
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A guy who starts from nothing and work his way up and has money i respect, what i hate is spoil loser kids who just live off their dads money without doing shit they are the scum of the earth.
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